₦airaland Forum

Kazikazi:
What is a correct figure for SA? I remember you said 36,000 and now 22,000!
Is Nigerian 3600 total network or what?

36000kms of track 22000km route....

Kazikazi:
Son what is the total distance of Nigerian railway network vs the SA?

22000km vs 3600km

theenchanter:
nah, I'm not comparing our railway system..... We're discussing SGR and NGR.

Now crawl back to ur trench.

Vlain certainly was...

theenchanter:
tell me any new narrow gauge rail line system under construction anywhere or even SA and I'll leave this cyclic argument.

That being said, ur rail lines were built when narrow gauge was the norm (repeatedly) not really because if terrain! It was easier and inexpensive to build narrow gauge compared to SG, that doesn't mean Standard gauge wasn't in existence then.

South Africa doesn't even have a difficult terrain like ethiopia, yet ethiopia has over 1000km of standard gauge while u have just 80km.

Again, efficiency has nothing to do with guages, it's just about timing.

How do u know Nigeria has no plan for HSR when they're already building it?

- Taroko Express in service 2007
High speed tilt trains that reach 210kmph in Australia, in service from 1998
Transdev Auckland in service from 2016

-NGR is preferred when building in difficult and mountain terrain, its also cheaper and easier to maintain.... For South Africa it makes perfect sense, HSR will be built using SGR.... There are advantages to both.

- South Africa doesn't have difficult terrain?? Dude shut the fvck up .... Also what length is Ethiopias total rail network??

- exactly my point... SGR is just a gauge, doesn't effect efficiency.... So why the fvck must SA build SGR which is more expensive?

- Nigeria is not building any HSR

Sizzorkay:
still not as bad as elsewhere though, US has lost over 700k people, and that's with their advanced medical facilities , a country like Nigeria alone would have had double that if covid was bad in Africa, we would have known, no one can hide that many deaths, but we haven't seen such, so i think Africa truly got lucky with this one, a huge luck, so with or without testing, we would have been wrecked hard and it would be obvious, we got lucky, smart leaders would be preparing for the next one, because it is coming, whether we like it or not.
And i think countries on the continent that experience winter weather had it worse, Northern parts and SA, i could be wrong though

I have heard that the covid virus doesn't like warmer climates, also Africas younger population also plays a role.

However the number of deaths by natural causes has barely budged, its also not possible to say if a death is covid related or not without testing, hence I believe many people in Africa have died due to things like pneumonia which were likely caused by covid yet not documented as such

Covid most likely isn't as bad in Africa as in Europe but it is very very very understated due to lack of testing.

Vlain:
Yeah I guess the financing and maintenance of SHR is not meant for all countries,just the buoyant ones

Naa we just smart with our money no need spending bunch of money on SGR when we can just continue upgrading our NGR network

Vlain:
Nope I put it to u that is barely does up to 70mph. It’s 65mph on a good day and on a bad day we are down to 35mph.




You already said want I want. No one is ready to enter a context on which technology is older. Facts is NGR is inferior to SGR . Now that my friend is the crux of the matter. Quit splitting hairs already,it makes u look pathetic.

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Will you keep quiet. Ur attempt to hype that refurbished outdated metal is rather hysterical. I am guessing snail -paced passenger train is what we refer to as light rail,u look below and tell me when SA will match this



Pls hush it. You can’t compare whatever u have in SA to Japan. The most part of Japanese rail might be MGR but they supercede most NGR around the globe. They are not the usual conventional NGR. They are using 1067mm (3’6) while the SA and most part of the world adopt 1,435mm(4’8 , 1’2). Couple with the fact that their is electrified. And yes majority of the passenger and freight travel are in SGR. So yeah go figure

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Story for the gods.
Bye no one gives a flying fig about ur plans and desires. Make it a reality then that would be worth my time discussing,otherwise eff the fvck up. Thanks

- "Amtrak operates more than 300 trains each day — at speeds up to 150 mph"..... Also average speed with stops is 84mph......stop your blatant lying!! It's embarrassing..... Now shut the fvck up and get me my links..... Or are you not a man of your word?

- NGR has its advantages just like SGR has its advantages.... The best and most efficient rail network in the world is NGR(Japan)

- metro rail is 2300kms long.... Abuja light rail 40kms long..... Not to mention these new trains can go as fast as the gautrain and are state of the art trains "The X’Trapolis Mega is equipped with an automatic train operation (ATO) signalling system; this facility enables it to optimally navigate through highly-trafficked networks and reduced the impact of congestion. It has been reportedly designed to serve up to 30,000 passengers per hour in either direction along the network. The design of the train embraces modularity, reliability and high capacity, while the vehicle itself is intended to be applied to suburban and regional transport roles.The Mega can normally attain a maximum service speed of 120km/h, however, it is reportedly possible for the train to be upgraded to be capable of reaching up to 160km/h instead."

Your Abuja light rail has nothing on our new passenger trains

- the majority of japans rail network including freight and passenger services are narrow gauge specifically Cape gauge.... Exactly the same as SA.... Secondly 50% of South Africas 22000km rail network is electrified..... That's would still put SA as the 12th largest electrified rail network in the world

- we are getting an hsr in 2025...already approved by parliament

BeforeJuly:
Just over 170m vaccinations in Africa? Wow.

COVID Sure isn't spreading like Europe.

Africa also isn't testing at the same levels as Europe as well....more tests more positive cases

theenchanter:
oh, I really didn't check that as I was going through ur post as fast as I could. But that doesn't change the fact that China still has faster and more hsr than the US.

Ah, well, the Nigerian rail line capacity is between 200km/h and 250km/h, what about SAn rail line?
exactly, and that's the only hsr that u have cos u're already stuck with narrow guage.

Narrow guage has been used since as far as 1500s in mines, u can check that urself..... I'm not talking of passenger steam or coal train. We're talking the rail itself.

SA can't use SGR not because of the terrain but because it has developed it's rail system earlier when narrow guage was the norm, rail guages has nothing to do with terrain.

Japanese rail efficiency is not about the guage but about timing, they adhere to the time schedule without missing a minute, and if they do, they'll apologize and even send message to one's place of work that they're the cause of the person's lateness on many occasions.

Before we even go further about this ur germane hsr, how many km/h will it run? Cos here we're still building 250km/h rail lines not to talk of other SSA nations.

- I never claimed that the US had faster trains than China.....Don't debate when you don't know the context

- The Gautrain uses SGR so yeah don't know what it's rated at but like I said before our rail network is divided, we don't need fast trains for such short distances....doesn't make sense, hence why there will be an HRS by 2025 for the longer proposed routes like Joburg - Durban route possibly even a Joburg - CT route

- Cape Gauge which is what SA as well as Japan use was first introduced in 1795 Look it up!!

- "Since narrow-gauge railways are usually built with tighter curves, smaller structure gauges, and lighter rails, they can be less costly to build, equip, and operate than standard- or broad-gauge railways (particularly in mountainous or difficult terrain). Lower-cost narrow-gauge railways are often used in mountainous terrain, where engineering savings can be substantial. Lower-cost narrow-gauge railways are often built to serve industries as well as sparsely populated communities where the traffic potential would not justify the cost of a standard- or broad-gauge line."

- So if NGR is so efficient in Japan then why is SGR more modern and better? Why have Japan extended their NGR instead of replacing it with SGR?.........oh yes because it doesn't need to

- over 250kmph since travel time between Joburg and Durban will be like 3 hours.....And Nigeria has no plans for an HSR

Roan77:
Dumbass hunter, it's the death rate by gun in US, we debated this not long ago.

Ok and? still much much less than your terrorist infested country

Roan77:
My dumbass 67 years old hunter Jl115, what do you have to say about this?

What about it?

Vlain:
Uhmmmm no,actually there is. One is slower. I am guessing u already which it is.



And when u are done making ur dreams a reality then pls hit us, otherwise save me the long standing plan.

And also cheaper, easier to maintain and better for difficult terrain

Also give me my links bru

Vlain:
Amtrak does 65mph out of the supposed 150mph on a very good day. On a bad day we should be looking at 35mph. Now that right there is as slow as a snail. I would rather walk to my destination



SGR is way more modern than NGR ..I repeat way more modern. Heck even most HSR in china still makes use of SGR. your NGR and snail paced trains cars makes it a double whammy. Heck can’t imagine my self in that as I ascend a hill or mountain.



Maybe u also forget they have bullet trains.



Pls don’t be silly. This is a mere NGR that would be lucky to run up to 50mph.

- Slowing down in inclement weather happens to all HRS not just Amtrak.....the fact is it travels at 150mph........Now where is my links??

- SGR is way more modern but was also created in the 1800s just like the NGR.....Cool story bro I guess 200 year old things are modern by Nigerian standards?

- Our Passenger trains are broken up in regions WC, Gauteng, Durban, EC ect ect....they don't need to be fast since they don't travel long distances....the fact is our new passenger trains are state of the art in terms of comfortability, efficiency and safety...and nothing in Nigeria that can match them.

- how did I forget Japan have HSRs?? I simply stated that the majority of their highly efficient rail network is still NGR.

- Again SA is the only country in SSA that actually have plans to develop a HSR

Roan77:
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just unfortunate that your comrade doesn't know the difference between mph and kmph

theenchanter:
firstly, I'm not here to win an argument.... But Amtrak can run a maximum of 150km/h and Nigeria's rail also runs at150km/h, but then, Nigeria's rail can run up to 250km/h. So saying Nigeria has yet to acquire any train that can reach 200km/h is nothing but ignorance at it's finest..... At least, 4 lines are currently running and construction of another 1300km+ has been approved, unlike SA where cape guage is the standard and only guatrain running is at 150km/h.

Yes, both NGR and SGR have been around since the 1880s when SGR was invented.... But do u know NGR was actually invented around 1500s? while they aren't really modern, SGR is better and modern than the NGR and also the base of all new rail construction except maglev or german skytrain.... All new high speed trains run on SGR and not NGR, unfortunately for SA, it's stuck with NGR. all ur talk of having passenger trains that beats anything in nigeria is just in ur medulla.

If 200year old SGR doesnt impress u, is it 500year old NGR that does? Forgetting that all new hsr run on them.

Ah, pls. SA is not the only SSA nation with an hsr development plan, stop being delusional like most saffas.

- Amtrak has a max speed of 150 MPH..... I repeat MPH....you are getting confused between mph and kph.... Which to be fair is understandable

- Nigerian SGR as in the track itself has a max rating of 250kmph but you don't have a train that goes even close to that speed.

- The Gautrain was never meant to go more than 160km.....it doesn't make sense for it to go that fast because its an inter province rail network.

- Cape gauge/NGR was first used in 1795... Not 1500s.....

- SA can't use SGR on much of its terrain hence NGR was standardised

- I see you keep ignoring that the most modern and efficient rail network in the world is in Japan.... And they use NGR for the vast majority of there rail networks.

- what other SSA country has development plans already in place for a HSR?

Just30:
And I clearly told you that the person was referring to dogma

firstly its not a random person but actual scholars .... Secondly they are much smarter than you, meaning if they meant dogma then they would have wrote dogma

Just30:
The things this person is referring to are religious dogma

it clearly states religious customs.... Which you said doesn't exist...

Just30:
there is nothing like religious customs

https://referenceworks.brillonline.com/entries/sacramentum-mundi/religious-customs-COM_003750#:~:text=A%20custom%20is%20an%20action,official%20liturgy%20of%20the%20Church.

theenchanter:
that America's Amtrak Acela is the fastest train system in the whole of US and yet, not considered high speed!!! Even Nigeria's rail system is pegged at 150km/h but can def run at 250km/h.

Chinese hsr run at over 300km/h, some at over 400/h and even over 500km/h. We're talking of rail lines built in this new millennium and not some humpty dumpty built in the 1800s .

Early developed nations widely built NGRs across their nation and they're forever stuck with it, except they're building new ones in other places..... That's the problem SA and USA is facing (USA, SA) hahahahaha. Same problem, stuck in development.

don't get involved in a debate you can't win firstly regardless of your opinion Americas Amtrak runs at a maximum of 150mph that was the argument .....Nigeria has yet to even acquire any trains that can reach 200kmph to even be considered a HRS system so again don't know why you would even mention Nigeria.

Again both SGR and NGR have been around since the 1800s,they ain't modern, they ain't new and there is no difference in terms of modernity between the 2, South Africa chose the NGR due to our terrain and cost efficiency.... Same reason Japan also uses NGR.... Not to mention we have new ultra modern passenger trains that beats anything in Nigeria and most of Africa in fact.


Also the new thing is maglev trains if Nigeria gets that then I'll be impressed.... But 200 year old SGR does not impress me.

Did I mention we are the only SSA country that currently has a proposed hsr development plan?

Just30:
Societies have not evolved based on religion but based on their Customs.

It just happens to be that religion play an important part in all societies

based on their religious customs

Vlain:
65mph is not HSR. And as for SA you are gradually loosing relevance.Apart from maybe gautrain which apparently still moves slower than most new trains in Nigeria the rest are just minor archaic NGR of two centuries back. same thing like the US. This alone should tell you Nigeria can still surpass u in infrastructure. Admittedly yes u have a more longer line but they are all old useless crappy snail paced NGR. Nigeria on the other hand is transforming her old NGR to SGR and still building new one. I bet once we are done with Atleast Lagos to calabar Atleast let say in the next four year we would have covered the country rail blueprint by Atleast 60%. And if we add k on this -Kano then we are looking at 80% - All SGR.


And yes provide me HSR In the US and stop wasting my time. I promised u a link and I shall deliver as always.

Amtrak Acela has a top speed of 150mph.......now give me my links

You do know SGR has been around since the 1800?? Its not new, its not modern, it's just the gauge width that differ from NGR.

If NGR is outdated why is Japan still using NGR even though they have one of the most modern rail networks in the world?

Also what in Nigeria compares to our normal passenger trains?

Just30:
Those customs are based on society and what they deem fit..

Customs do not come from religion kiddo... For example, it is customary not to go to sea on certain days.. Going to sea can get you into huge trouble on those days.
That is not based on religion but customs generated by the society..

Now, what you are saying is, because you dont like the law so it shouldn't be done

Societies across the globe have all evolved according to religion of that society this is a fact.... Go read bit of the work done by Jordan Peterson and Friedrich Nietzsche

theTranscriber:
not religion but nature and reason

Most African belief systems can't be described in the eurocentric "religion" term

Especially isese of Yoruba

regardless the criminalisation is due to customs based of religion... What ever religion that may be.

1471one:
hello my name is 1471one and I suck big fat c0ck

You don't say?

Just30:
Did anyone mention crimilising people according to the bible?

Is the bible the place where criminal codes come from?

Homosexuality is criminalised due to customs... A society customs is where they generate their criminal codes...

and those customs are based of what?? Oh yes religion!!

theTranscriber:
yeah
The canterkerous and disrespectful "scientist" that stole Hooke's ideas and still other's also

Newton is overcelebrated
A thief

well Robert Hooke was also Christian so yeah.... But the I can also mention Galileo, Francis Collins, Robert Boyle, Ernest Walton and many many more

theTranscriber:
I mean like you tell me two stuff that Christianity did to improve science

Ever heard of Isaacs Newton?

Just30:
and LGBT does not have a negative impact on the community around it?

Like i told you, In the Caribbeans, you cant catch and kill Parrot fish.. Its a criminal offence.

Im specifically talking about criminalising people according to the bible....why else is homosexuality criminalised if not due to religion?..... So why not criminalise eating shell fish? Why not criminalise fat people? Why not criminalise sex before marriage?

Also in my opinion woke culture is a greater threat to our society but not homosexuality specifically.

theTranscriber:
I would

But can you specifically give me 2?

sure

https://www.abc.net.au/religion/christianity-and-the-rise-of-western-science/10100570


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdrLQ7DpiWs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syP-OtdCIho&t=1446s

theTranscriber:
how?
Like how exactly did Christianity do that?

I really want to know

go research it Jordan Peterson on also did a wonderful piece it.

theTranscriber:
I was not talking about the LGBT stuff,I was talking of the demonization of general African culture. The idiot was saying that Africans are primitive

Imagine that madness

I am also an atheist of some sorts since I haven't been able to successfully reconnect with the belief system of my grandfathers.
That post I qouted at first is the height of madness

LGBT guys can do whatever they like but they shouldn't force the minority's opinion on the majority

I agree what you are saying

Just30:
But you believe other people lifestyles should be criminalised..

Why not? In other countries, it's a criminal offence to catch and kill certain fishes..

lifestyle choices that have a negative impact on the community around it yes.....but being gay isnt one of those lifestyle choices.

Also again....must we criminalise people for eating shell fish because in the bible its mentioned something like 8 times that we shouldn't eat it where as it is only mentioned 3 times that we shouldn't be gay?