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Just30:
which guy asked me a question ?

you have the memory of a gold fish

vaxx1:
Then don't argue about having republic in 1961 since the white minority still country the destiny of the black majority then? they made rules and the rules were labelled as apartheid .

I don't get your point?? The Whites of South Africa are not the same as the ones in europe. To the Boer people Africa was/is home and they died fighting for it against British colonisers just like any other Black nation in Africa.

Apartheid was simply one African group oppressing another.... Not anything new if you look at the recent history of Africa.

The Boers wanted independence just as much as any other black nation and despised the British just as much as any Black Nation.

Even today stats show that the Afrkaner minority is the least likely to emigrate to another country than any other ethnicity in South Africa, even though economically they have the most means to do so

Just30:
their power was so diminished after the second world war.

They couldn't face being dragged on all front

some what true yes!!! Great that you finally acknowledge that Ghana's independence had nothing to do with Ghanaian resistance and everything to do with the British decision to decolonise its empire

Just30:
where in the world did you here independence being gifted ?

Because the British already decided in 1945 it would decolonise its colonies.... And not because Ghana had a few riots

vaxx1:
You mean when the only governance was only lead by the white minority. where the only Laws introduced by the British controlled union where upheld and strengthened and become something apartheid?

I remember my junior high school story book . sizwe banzi is dead ? that is exctally what happens in your country. you were still a stool to your white master.

I guess it's a good thing I'm white so there goes your argument!!

Just30:
Their fear was the fact that agreeing to allow Ghana become independent will lead to a flood of other nations being independent. And their fears came true because they couldn't stop it from happening.

Just incase you've forgot
all the colonies were self sufficiently dependent on their own resources.

If they feared that other countries would become independent after allowing Ghana to become independent then why oh why did they already make the decision to decolonized all their colonies back in 1945??

And NO I did not forget that.... I actually had decent schooling unlike you.... Never mind the fact that South Africa was also a British union

Just30:


no wonder you guys are stupid
especially for someone to think his independence was gifted.

Bro think logically for a moment, how is Ghana any different to the dozens of other African colonies that gained their independence at the same time??

vaxx1:
Then you have diahorea in your brain . what call for riot and numerous court sitting is what you called gift?

riots or no riots doesn't matter, Ghana would have been decolonized regardless if you had riots or not

Just30:
even if they wanted to, they couldnt have had Ghana as a colony beyond when Ghana became independent.

Because of how Ghanaians were educated and the strong team of lawyers that kept embarrassing the British empire whiles the popular sentiment was against further British occupation

Yes they couldve had Ghana as a colony if they so wished..... They were much much much much more powerful.

vaxx1:
You have a porous understanding...... there was a reason your independence took long to be given . it wasn't the same like other African state.

Ghana became a Republic in 1960.....South Africa became a Republic in 1961, so please explain how one year according to you is "took long to be given"

vaxx1:
You keep repeating this hogwash. . Ghana independence was won not gifted . the reason for kwame nkrumah imprisonment ...... the British wanted but educated Ghanaian used their law against them.

It was gifted just as the independence of the rest of the African colonies including South Africa

Just30:
I know the Brits wiped out SA but they didnt do the same here and this is not a comparison with SA or any country for that matter yet you keep usurping the SA story.

Britain had a formidable army spread across West Africa and form that it gathered for most of the wars it fought.

And im talking about more than a million strong army and it only pulled those armies out during the 1900s

I keep upsurping South Africa as an example because its the only country in Africa that formally went to war with the full might of the British Empire and subsequently embarrassed them, if you want to claim that you beat an opponent then said opponent should be at full strength not like the Asantes that faced a handful of British troops who never even formally declared war on them.

And no the British didn't wipe South Africa not even close the Boers lost an estimated 4000 kia and the British lost nearly 30 000 kia, so who wiped who exactly?? ..... So revered were South African generals that they served as Field Marshals during both ww1 and ww2.

And the British army definitely did not even have even near a million men in West Africa, in fact if you did your research the highest number of British troops ever deployed to Africa was 600 000 and that was during the second Boer war from 1899 to 1902

vaxx1:
You are an idiot you know ? if they have their way they will still remain in Ghana today. reason for Ghana remaining the forth UK trading partner ever since then even when she hasn't discover oil in sub Saharan Africa

If the British wanted to they couldve still had colonies all over the world, never mind Ghana, the decolonisation of the British Empire was due to internal sentiment, and certainly not Ghanain resistance.

vaxx1:
Ghana is the first country to gain independent in sub Saharan Africa . so whixh one is at more? Ghana independence was africa breakthrough for example Zimbabweans leader was highly motivated that one of their illustrious son ""Robert Mugabe"" had to take a trip down to Ghana as a teacher in one of ghama secondary school achimota where he was influenced by Ghanaian idea and struggle .

Bro Ghana being the first sub saharan country is sheer coincidence it was by no means a breakthrough , The British were decolonising all of its colonies all over the world, including the sub saharan ones.

Just30:
yes

Britain was afraid of letting Ghana become an independent country
If not for their fears, Ghana would have been independent before 1957.

Anyway, this conversation was not about independence.


Britain did not gift the first country in sub saharan africa that got independent it's independence
The Ghana story is way different from all of you, Britain could not stay, especially when it was time.

Did the British also fear, Nigeria, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Botswana, Kenya ect ect because all of these countries gained independence at more or less the same time as Ghana??

Just30:
let me help you learn

https://books.google.com.gh/books?id=3_lVjByR6r4C&pg=PA18&lpg=PA18&dq=british+empire+lords+talk+about+their+defeat+to+the+Asante&source=bl&ots=-BfxNAa0aN&sig=ACfU3U06SfFr97gUHPaoP1riywVF9k51nA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj1w4nEhZfnAhUBxhoKHSJCC9UQ6AEwF3oECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=british%20empire%20lords%20talk%20about%20their%20defeat%20to%20the%20Asante&f=false

whats this supposed to be?? Your book doesn't disprove anything I said, infact it confirms what I said as it states Ghana became a diminion in 1957 and a Republic in 1960

Just30:
anyway, i was the one who said Britain was beaten mercilessly

And i wasnt just making a claim but stating facts.

The British army was beaten and their Governor beheaded
Queen Elizabeth nephew lost his life in won of those Aglo Asante wars which angered them such that they brought in two times the Asante army to avenge their death in a different war 20 to 30 years later.

The Brits themselves mention those wars as the only wars they lost to an African Kingdom on three occasions

The Asantes fought but a drop in the ocean of the British Empire which didn't even formally declare war on the Ashanti kingdom... .... Yet still lost.

If the British wanted to they could've sent over half a million soldiers like they did against the South African Republic and wiped the Asantes from the history books.

Just30:
Asante was never a British protectorate

who will Britain be protecting them from?

They lost the 4th war and Britain Used it to strip them of their kingdom by making them less powerful.

You sound stupid

Do you think a few men can put Kumasi and it 200,000 men army at every war under siege ?


what war was Britain pre occupied with in 1824 or even 1900 when the last Asante British war was fought?

empty heads always like to make noise .

-Bro the Ashanti kingdom was a British protectorate from 1901 till 1957.....don't know what history they teach you in Ghana but that is the fact of the matter....

- yes they had Rifles and it would certainly not take more than a couple thousand of Rifle carrying men to besiege 200 000 spear carrying Asantes.

- They were actually preoccupied by the actual expansion of their empire including the much bigger and expensive Anglo-Burmese war to name a few....... And in 1900 they were definitely more preoccupied by the biggest and most expensive war in the British Empires history at that time, which needed 600 000 troops and resulted in over 40 000 British deaths.

Just30:
Ghana was not formed until 1957 when independence was declared

Britain wished it could keep Ghana
Boy go and read history and stop making useless noise.
Britain was even afraid that if it allowed Ghana become a free country, all other countries will start demanding for theirs.

Britain could never have thought of wiping Ghana off the map
Ghanaian were well educated and were mostly taking the empire to court with their own laws.

Britain afraid of Ghana?? Please bro!! They colonised you with a handful of soldiers, if they were scared then they wouldve sent its full might to you like they did in South Africa in 1899

The British gifted your independence just like it gifted the independence of the rest of Africa, the colonisation and decolonisation of Ghana is no different than any other African country.

Just30:


Did they stop teaching History in SA
because that is the only way you will become this stupid.

Instead of rambling why don't you prove me wrong by providing facts

mtisTheQubit:
So at theend ya got colonised. ..what the difference BTW ths an ghana situation

Look the only country not colonised in africa was Ethiopia. .they went to war an won..fact

Technically speaking all African countries that faced the British empire were colonised, however this wasn't my argument.

Vaxx1 claimed that the British were beaten mercilessly by the Asantes ..... It's true yes that the Asantes did win a few battles however the British force was outnumbered 10 - 1 yet still conquered them in the end, if the Ashanti empire had to face half a million British soldiers then the likes of Vax and Just 30 would not be talking to you and me today, I find it funny when African countries boast about defeating the British in one or 2 battles but forget that the British barley spent a drop of recourses on them yet still defeated them.

the British never needed to spend great amounts of resources or men to colonise African country bar for the South African Republic, which acquired the full might of the British empire and was the most expensive war that the British ever had up till then(it nearly bankrupted the country)

There was a formal declaration of war for both the first(which the ZAR won) and second(which the British won) Boer wars.....there was no formal declaration of war(I could be wrong) for any other anglo conflict in Africa.

It was the only war in Africa which British casualties outnumbered(and by far I might add) that of its enemy, the British also needed 600 000 troops to defeat the 2 Boer Republics,....... A massive amount even by todays standards.

So far only 2 states in Africa have ever faced the full might of the British empire and have been successful at some extent and that was the South-African Republic and the orange freestate

mtisTheQubit:
Which one?

The South African Republic although they were still colonised in the after the second boer war.

vaxx1:
At least your ignorance to history shows how you porous your thought can be . holla my gud , I am talking to an idiot. Ghana didn't get independence in 1960, she did in 1957. that should go straight to your dead skull.

GHANA wasn't a British protectorate, Gold coast was and that does not include the ashanties and northern protectorate that makes up today Ghana. this two body later join .

Gold coast independence was won both by blood and by intellect. it wasn't just pass down gold coast like it was with other africa. our independence started just like a public campaign and when the British refused . it becomes a bloody and serious rioting.European and Asian stores were looted. major Prisoners were set free . Ghana was in crisis for days resulting into hundered of death . calling this a peaceful handover shows something is rightly wrong with your skull.

The British so wished becuse one of the queen representative.""the governor general"" head was beheaded. one of the reasons they double their army both from India and northern Nigeria for the revenge of the governor death but unfortunately, the king to be taken in question was already sent on exile while the golden stool.was well protected.

You are very stupid. the British army were never in anyway lower in comparison with the ashanties . and the war happens more than three occasion. You should stupidly know the British were well armed with sophisticated weapons than the ashanties.


You must be stupid not to know ashanties kingdom still exist till date with a well educated king ( asantehene) while sons and daughter of shaka Zulu ""the king of Zulu kingdom"" was entrapped into slavery and captured as slaves into Britain.

It's sad that you don't even know your own countries history.

The facts:
Ghana became a British dominion in 1957 and a Republic in 1960.....if you don't believe me...... Well Google is your friend!!

The entire Ghana was under British control, not just the gold Coast and Ghana's independence was not won because of a few riots. During the mid 40s and 50s pro decolonization sentiment was growing within the British empire, it was thus decided to give independence to almost all of its colonies hence most of the African colonies gained independence more or less at the same time...... a few riots in Ghana certainly never had a big impact on their decision to decolonise.

The British army had better weapons yes but were far outnumbered by the Asantes, unlike in South Africa where they needed an army of 600 000, concentration camps, scotch earth policies and billions of pounds to defeat a few farmers numbering around 50 000.

The Ashanti kingdom was a protectorate until 1957 just like the Zulu kingdom was until 1960, also the Zulus were never enslaved as you wrongfully claimed and are still ruled by king Goodwill Zwelithini today.

Problemkid1:
Dude what's your own problem. Why can't you mind your business for once

why can't you?

vaxx1:
You are speaking like an idiot now. British with their sophisticated weapons and industrialization lost the revolutionary war. so what else? Ghana was the first country to gain independence in the whole of sub Saharan Africa. and the independence wasn't taken on a sliver plater , it was taken by blood. that explain the colour red in our flag.

empire rise and empire fall. the British empire falls in 18 century , America rise , now, I foresee China empire coming back but much more modern . Ashanti empire wasn't like that of shaka Zulu of south africa that was beaten and entrapped into slavery. Ashanti empire was one of the remarkable empire in africa. it has a formidable force that is actually big enough to conquered many region around her then. the British army that fought the ashanties were much more bigger and full of sophisticated weapon yet the ashanties won the war with a woman leading the battle.


GHANA victory was exceptional as she also claimed back all the land forcefully taken by the British. we dont have white settlement here or white owned farm despite being One of the first country to encounter the white as far back as 14 century in africa .....

So much noise with so little substance.

Here are the facts:
Ghana was a British protectorate until 1957 when it became a British dominion and only became independent in 1960.

The British voluntarily gave you your independence, you did not fight for it, if the British so wished it could of wiped Ghana from the history books, infact if the British sent more than 600 000 soldiers to Ghana as they did in SA you would not be speaking to me now.

Also the British force that fought the Asantes was outnumbered 10 to 1 yet still managed to conquer them not the other way around as you claim.

Lastly the Zulu kingdom was never entrapped to slavery, in fact even during British colonisation and Apartheid it still exists today... Unlike the ashanti kingdom.

Just30:
Since we are being Honest

the Asantes were the only Kingdom in Africa that went to war with the Brits on equal footing and won 3 times with one stalemate

They won........ yet became a British protectorate?

Also since we are being Honest the British only sent a couple thousand to Ashanti...... And never mind the fact they were actually preoccupied with a much much much bigger and costlier war at the same time

Lionessza6:
LMFAO, how convenient . Is this going to be the excuse when the plan backfires? ; "corruption & zuptas" fighting back kind of thing ?.


You are right about one thing though; the ANC never holds criminals accountable , they started in 94 when they didn't prosecute mass murderers,rapists and looters. stronger together kinda things

Well atleast we agree on something

Lionessza6:
LOL, I know yall's definition of; conspiracies ,terrorists and corruption ,so save it Meneer . I hear Pauli Van Wyk the condom sniffing " journalist " is available, I think you two would make a great couple , spreading fake news is something you could bond over . & ofcourse the obsession with Zuma .

Kikuyu1 were you bro? Ya girl is waiting for you

In all serious though which news outlets according to you are the non-fake ones...... Please don't mention Ann7

Just30:
Rules of war have existed since the Roman empire.
UN only adopted them.



The Brits got beaten mercilessly until they couldn't take it anymore and establish an army of Indians and Hausa's and other Ghanaian tribes to place Kumasi under siege.
IN all the wars, the Asantes were the instigators except the last one which was a revenge attack from the Brits.

Even the Brits respect the Asantes because they were the only tribe that they lost to on so many occasions.
They even lost to Yaa Asantewaa, a woman who led an army.

whiles in Kenya, the Brits took your lands for so many years because you guys were lazy and not doing anything on them.
when you decided to fight , they castrated all of you.

let's be brutally honest though, no African country(except for 1) can boast about beating the British .........there is only one country in Africa that have defeated the super power that was the British empire in a war.

Lionessza6:
LOL,was it the North Gauteng high court that did that ? . Don't their judges appear on the CR17bankstatements? ,how embarassing . Now,we both know that there is no prosecution of Zuma that is going to take place, we have seen this show before,if this story is true ,this will be dragged out,milked by Soros' foot soldiers and then it will be dropped as all others before . This has become the new hobby for Europeans and their deputies . We will be watching ,if Zuma will be going back to Nkandla or prison , what's your prediction?

My guess as a former President of the ANC he will be protected from being held accountable for his corruption.

Lionessza6:
LOL, but we both know the truth.

I don't believe in fairy-tales sweetheart

However I do have a Kenyan friend kikuyu1, his a great guy...............and best of all he loves fairy-tales and conspiracies just as much as you do.................you guys would make a fantastic couple

Lionessza6:
LOL, if you say so. I know you are programmed to make up things as you go ,believe them and then start spreading them around as facts . This is how afriforum was started .

Hahahaha the irony in this post