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BlueRayDick:
Players of the season contenders …..


I will go for Saka surely

@Jodera u see why I said ur rating should’ve placed Saka higher than Partey ? Thomas did not just stay fit enough for us .

Going forward I will never support the purchase of any African player whose football age is already 25 and above . Never !

Imagine, Partey no dey this list? Partey deserves to be here.
O wrong now..

Anyways, like I said it's arguable and if Saka wins it, he deserves it very well. But mehn, I don't know who deserves that runner-up (if there's is) aside Partey Tbh.

Lush100:
Zincheko can play midfield.
But does he have the stamina to play under pressure. Will they rough handle him to loose the ball. That's the issue I'm having.

Zincheko and Partey in midfield is a good combo.

Can zincheko play in midfield as main DMF.
If Partey is not in the line up?

Zinchenko can't play dmf ooo

iamoyindamola:
L for lodera
Another one in the bag from haller

Lol, because of all goals scored in group stage??

Master in group stage? No wonder I no hear him name again since this year. Your alert system been spoil?

Not my striker, never my striker, Never not my striker.


By the way, Is this the official uefa team of the season? If not, how do you expect me to take fantasy football serious.

Like I should take something called fantasy serious?? No way na

Silentgroper:
Play tavarez as a wing back. Una go dey alright..

So we should change to 3 at the back just so that Tavarez must play??

mostob:
I don't just fancy the guy...maybe I rarely watch him sha

Ahhh.... Maybe you rarely watch him oo.

That guy deserves to be starting every week aswear

mostob:
Joe Aribo or Zinchenko for Midfield?

Zinchenko day in day out abeg.
Prophet footballer

raumdeuter:
Who go waste time doing delegate for them?

Na who poor pass between Utomi and Obi go win ticket

Utomi manifesto. I have not eaten meat in the last 50yrs

Obi manifesto. Meat kwanu? Na only garri I dey soak. I no even get money to buy cold water and sugar

Utomi: I gree you poor pass me I will step down for you

BlueRayDick:
They even posted a picture of Wike with all 44 Kano PDP delegates donning Wike's t-shirt and fez cap, claiming Wike has Kano votes among others on lockdown

Him no know say na deceive him dey deceive himself

donstan18:
Is this logic applicable to Hazard too?

Make I see how he wan take dodge am

izzou:
[color=royalblue]It all started with this [/color]



[color=royalblue]Then, it got to this[/color]



[color=royalblue]And then....We could no believe our eyes[/color]



[color=royalblue]Will his opinion change again after June 7?[/color]

Na it.srm opinion wey change naim shock me pass. At least sulele no too make mouth. The kind confidence Its.rm make pre-primary election and the kind humility after that needs to be studied aswear. The switching was so seamless

izzou:


[color=royalblue]Wike never recover from the shock.

Shebi e go Channels TV go boast for Seyi say make e congratulate am?
[/color]

izzou:
[color=royalblue]I saw make I laugh small



Votes from delegates in the North won't matter [/color]

Baba said Wike is grand master strategist only to say last minute decision for tambuwal to step down did it for Atiku.

I come dey ask myself... Who come be the master strategist and who come be the learner

popizaino:
Lol

And this is me still harbouring small thoughts of Wike likely to match him in money aspect.

Izzou talk say Wike go collect loan to match Atiku knows what he was saying be that

Lol... People for here wey talk say atiku money long definitely know wetin dem dey talk about.
Na people wey dey brag about wike money with Atiku dey make me laff from sidelines

popizaino:
Did Obasanjo say anything like this ?

Yesss..
Around 2018 or so he said it

hensben:
I was over stretching, I just saw little sharpness in his game. How do you expect someone that just returned from surgery to be on form. You self

You were overstretching it yet when we countered your claim two days ago, you said we know nothing about football and other yen yen yen.

Now you don change mouth again as usual
Hensben hensben

hensben:
He was looking sharp but not 100 percent yet doesn’t mean he should start this type of game when Vervalde is doing well in that right side as extra man midfield and also an attacking, his work rate was needed in this game and he delivered.

so it's now you know that hazard can't start this type of game. It's now you know hazard is not 100% after you claim he has recent form.

You Sabi change mouth sha

Unlimited22:
Lol theball comes off Fabinho. It is a goal.

this football rules just changes everyday.

I mean how is that not a goal??

Oldboss:
nope
this is FIFA rules:any part of the head, body or feet is nearer to the opponents’ goal line than both the ball and
the second-last opponent

That's a goal. Fabinho passed the ball to benzema

iamoyindamola:
Same thing happened this season against Watford
I no understand this offside rule again
Fabinho played the ball

Exactly.. this is my concern

Fabinho passed the ball to benzema, yet the they said it's offside. How come??

Spy360:
Ok make I dash you this one make e nor be like say I dey stingy.

Lol... Nothing like that. You know say this wan your points no valid

Please how is that Madrid goal an off side?
That is definitely not off at all. Sometimes I don't understand these rules tbh

Spy360:
Your first paragraph makes the same error you accused me off in your previous response, that you used 'good' metrics (metrics are neither good nor bad) to rate. It's funny how we point a finger at someone not realising we are pointing four at ourselves.

Your second and third paragraphs are speculative at best.

I mentioned what happened not what will happen.

You know what, help get a player rating in any match both featured let's check something. If Tavares is rated higher by any website, I will concede. Deal?

it's simple. When Lokonga was given the opportunity for a lone DM in crucial stage of the season, what was his influence and achievements? At least I can point to Tavarez own. If you can't, then it means Lokonga didn't have any. I don't understand how that is pointing fingers at you.

What is speculative? Is it not something that happened? When Lokonga was our lone DM/partner with Xhaka we lost back to back against midtable teams who were in bad form. When Tavarez played against top teams in Top10, we won 3/3 with the absence of Lokonga. It's fact!

It seems your Lokonga achievements in this team dey like ghost. We no dey see am

Spy360:
Lokonga has the talents to thrive in midfield like Partey. But he lacks the pace and fitness. He was too slow and light and that affected his decision making and man marking. Unlike Partey.

As for Tavares, he has the pace to go forward, but his ball sense is too poor and he over does things like trying to take on a man thereby losing the ball at a dangerous area. He is Ok may be for smaller teams but definitely shouldn't be sitting on our bench as a backup. I don't thing he was even a first team player in his former club before joining us because I dont see any sign of it.

Lokonga and Tavares were both terrible. But I have more hope for Lokonga than Tavares. As for Pepe, his profile is too big to be a bench warmer. This should earn him a slap alongside his report card. I am sure he will be sold.

Lokonga being slow and light which affected his decision making is the reason why he was rated poorly. Whether he'll thrive and improve well from next season (which is our prayer) is another discussion entirely.

If they were to drop Lokonga and Tavarez and ask who I should send on loan and who I should keep, my answer will be simple. Loan Lokonga.

A good coach will maximize Tavarez strength in dire situation. For lokonga if he doesn't improve no hope especially as his position Is very very sensitive. If Tierney and Tomiyasu played against Chelsea and Man u with lokonga playing as a lone DM, we go lose that match. But Arsenal without those two first choice fullbacks and without Lokonga in midfield, we won those two. And that's exactly what Arteta did

Spy360:
Why you dey fall for that trap?

Are we not discussing the worst players in the squad? Hence shouldn't it be how bad they were? If there were any achievements from those three, they won't be in the discussion.

I learnt my logic and reasoning for philosophy 101 very well.

I'm not falling for any trap. I saw your response to Blueray and to me e no gel. Reason why, is because while we're discussing of worst rated players, this your bolded premise isn't the way to go about it. It's wrong

Players only get ratings because they Played— that's fact. Then, we'll look at the achievements done while playing, that's why a player who scored or assisted will be rated higher than those who didn't (95% of the time). Then we'll talk about the influence.

Nobody is looking at the bad side when rating, instead they looking at the good side a player falls short on. Meaning the good metrics are always used. Any player that falls short on any achievements or influence (i.e good metrics) is always rated poorly while any player that performs very well in the good metrics is always rated highly.

It's a reason why Everybody here will agree that Tavarez was better than Lokonga and Pepe this season except YOU. And the reason is simple — your definition/understanding of the ratings was wrong

Lush100:
The thing with laca and nketiah is just unfortunate.

Arsenal was having team playing bonding with laca as be had understanding with saka,Esr and martinelli or saka, odegard, and martinelli.
Which enabled us to play well against the defense of our opposition,
The issue however was that when laca himself was presented with goal scoring opportunities, he didn't take them.
Nketiah on the other hand is a goal poacher, like an opportunity taker like Richarlson.
His team play is very minute.
If u look at our last 8 games,
It was more of us playing against the opposition for an opportunity to present himself.
The team playing especially in the attacking third was not very good.
Nketiah cannot play with his back to goal very well.
He is more of a player to create chance for himself or to score one when opportunity presents one.
Had laca being burying his chances, nketiah would not have had the playing chance as he had.
Nketiah should learn how to team play with the other attacker.of saka, martinelli, odegard.
( A flowing attack not halting the speed of the transition. Look at what laca did for saka to score against watford). Nketiah will be on the first XI if he adds that to his came.
Lokonga did nothing to justify his play.
He should be loaned or learn a little rugby to improve his stamina.
Tavares is inexperienced.
Be should know when to play safe and know when to venture

Jode.ra
Spy3.60
Bluerayd.ick

I'm a known supporter of Lacazette but I'll disagree with your point about Nketiah.
Yes, While I wholly agree that Nketiah might not see the shirt if not for Laca goal drought and off-form but Nketiah showed that he's indeed more than a goal poacher.

For one, our structure changed due to Partey's injury which limited the amount of dominance with might have against opposition. Nketiah still pressed from the front and he still held up the ball well. In fact, Nketiah did everything that Laca was doing excellently as well as chipping in goals. Aside his runs which Laca obviously lacks, he can fashion out chances on his own when Midfield Is under pressure. Lacazette doesn't try that and worst of it all is that he's not even putting effort to try. I believe he'll even do better when Partey returns cos we'll be more dominant which will even increase his effectiveness and overall play upfront

Lokonga is just too small in game. Anytime he starts, notice how our Midfield becomes expressway to defence. Notice how he takes time to pass and release ball most times killing our attack. Aside being tidy(that's not losing the ball carelessly nor giving wrong side way passes), I don't see any attributes Lokonga have to be making him start or even become a worthy deputy for Partey or Xhaka. Maybe he can bring more next season, but this season is a write off for him.

As for Tavarez, the talent is there. For all the for all his flaws, we can see his very good attacking-wise. This is someone who guys here was thinking of upsurping Tierney due to the variety he brings to the game as a fullback. If his defensive game and positioning can be worked on, he'll become a very good FB. And all these things can be done since he's still very young. Another thing Is confidence. He seems to me like a player who loses confidence when not played for a very long time. With more game time next season, I believe we'll see more of Tavarez good display

Coyg!!!

BlueRayDick:
You have not said anything . Did Lokonga play well when he was given the chance to play CM ? No ! The coach had to go back to a forgotten Elneny to get us finish within Europa league spot, it could’ve been worse.

Tavares on the other hand had some good spells and the bad ones as well; he even scored a goal in the process . This clear as day.

You are only letting ur personal preference for Lokonga becloud ur sense of judgement in this case. We are talking of why happened this past season, but somehow u are premising ur argument on what Lokonga might become and then u will turn back and say “ I told u so”

You'll see how Spy will not answer the bolded, instead he'll start showing you flaws of Tavarez game as if we were oblivious of his flaws before

Spy arguments for this case dey like those buhari fanatics. Bring proof why buhari should be voted for 2nd term with his achievements from the first term, but no! Instead, they'll tell you why other candidates are bad and how PDP destroyed Nigeria, while keeping mute on his achievements that he has done(if any). Then they'll tell us to vote for him that we'll see his best the 2nd term

Spy360:
I respect that it's your opinion but you're not putting things into context. It's like asking having Tavares on LB and Pepe on RW. If I have Saka, why would I prefer Pepe on RW? We were lucky to have Elneny peak at the right time and so would prefer him to Lokonga in CM.

But in terms of quality of play and team balance, Lokonga made more contributions than Tavares. The LB only played more often because other options like playing Xhaka or Tomi will after the team structure but Arteta never trusted that guy. He was full of errors- passing, tackling, composure, positioning nnah how Una nor see all these things?

You know what? LB us one position Arteta will definitely change this season and don't be surprised if Tavares is sold off or loaned away.

When I was saying since February that Nketiah was better than Lacazette in terms of team needs and balance, you guys laughed me off. That's until it became glaring. This is the same thing that will happen.

Lol... For which season?? Why you dey do like this Spy? When this wan happen?
At least name one initial gra gra from Lokonga or his impact in the team this past season? Just one.

As for the 2nd bolded... You suppose put am for your CV cos e be like say e don become one.

Spy360:


I never said Lokonga was phenomenal. We are talking about the three worst performers this season. All three had flaws and all three made little contributions. But for me Tavares sits at the bottom.

I used a simple yardstick and you are dancing boga for me. How many players were dumped for someone who doesn't play their wing this season? The only person is Tavares. This yardstick is enough to know who was worst.

Lokonga wasn't good enough but he was never dropped for someone not a midfielder. If Elneny had not picked form, it would still be Lokonga playing that CM. Same goes to Pepe. Your claim that ESR was used is petty. ESR plays on the left he has no business with Pepe who plays on the right. ESR competes with Martinelli ON THE RIGHT WING. The mere fact that Tavares was dropped for Xhaka and Tomiyasu, on two different occasions at the risk of midfield and defense respectively is enough that he was the worst player irrespective of his little contributions. This your boga challenge who scale o.

Lol... Make I no lie you, e reach to boga you oo.

But like I said earlier, you're already strong-headed on your opinion on Tavarez without looking at his case fairly while not bringing anything up for Lokonga, so no need dragging this any further.

And as for Smith Rowe/ Pepe comparison, I wasn't petty. It's because Pepe is so useless that's why ESR(a Midfielder) was even considered as a left winger beginning of this season even when Martinelli was injured/unavailable. If Pepe was half as good as Saka or Martinelli, Saka would have switched wing to left wing. Saka has shown on numerous occasions that he's comfortable on the left as well as the right wing. Na just the poor quality of Pepe that made Arteta improvise to using ESR on the wings when Martinelli wasn't available.

TrebleChamp:
Just mention Jodera, he will not beat you ...

have you done the most important one which is winning it twice in the last decade?

If not, make we hol hands like the Europa brethren dat we are

Spy360:
This is your usual narrative and first sign of your losing an argument. I only respond based on your last comment, so forget about digression.

Meanwhile I have said that I have no time to begin to go into scene by scene descriptions of Tavares'performance.

I said that the very fact the coach has no confidence in him and opted to use Xhaka a midfielder as LB despite how silly the decision was is the main testament to Tavares weakness as a player. No other player was put in this condition. Even Tomi was played there as soon as he was fit enough.

As for Pepe, I never said he did well, but he was not as poor as Tavares. As a matter of fact, he was a decent enough as a backup for Saka. Pepe's issue was not living up to his price tag. But he was decent enough.

Lokonga had issues with fitness, but like we saw against Everton and when he was a lone midfielder he was slightly decent enough also. However, terrible he was he wasn't as bad as Tavares.

Tavares' games was always full of errors. So many errors in passing, in positioning etc. I maintain he is the lowest rated player this season. If Tierney was half fit, he would have still benched him.

Lol... No other player was put in that condition yet ESR(a Midfielder) is playing wing when Pepe is always available and fit. I see

Tavarez ought to be the lowest rated yet he has only one error leading to goals which is against Liverpool in the first leg. He's also instrumental in our wins against big teams we won yet you accuse him of being a weakness against big teams.
So Lokonga that his introduction was one of the reasons we lost top4 is better than Tavarez whose contribution brought us back into the contention again. Wonderful!!

You know what, you didn't bring any fact or proof that Lokonga and Pepe was better than him this season. You've already made your mind up that he's the worst without even looking at his case fairly. In fact, you brought out all his wrong doings which was very little to our results compared to the good works he did(which you kept mute) just to nail him.

Since that's your opinion about him, no yawa. You personally like Sambi over him which I noticed that's why you use a different stick for lokonga even though he was NEVER impactful In any game. Reason why you always grade Lokonga display when we're either winning or losing with a high score before his introduction. When game is even and Lokonga is there, we no dey ever see him impact. See how you're talking about Lokonga against Everton when we're already winning 4-1 before his introduction. Same way you hyped him when were losing 3-0 before his introduction against crystal palace. When he started the next two games after that, I no see your praise again . And that's just only 2 of numerous examples.

Anyhow sha, make we just switch talk to something better. But please just try to be fair with our Tavarez even though you might not like him.

Spy360:
You are right that I have listed his weaknesses.
Those weaknesses for me made us weak as a team and affected general performances both directly and indirectly. It affected us in all the matches he played recently. I dont have to bring you match scenes go check them yourselves. I agree he did fairly well earlier, but his recent displays were totally off it. Hence Arteta's decision to use Xhaka as a LB. That's the biggest indicator you should have that he was very poor. We definitely need to replace him this summer. Being the worse doesn't mean he is totally useless, but as Arsenal we should be doing better. I want him and Pepe to leave. Pepe because he is overpriced but Tavares because he is not intelligent enough for Arsenal. These are entirely my views.

What are his strengths, help me in that. I want to talk good of him in my next post.

You're digressing and missing the main point. Whether he's good enough for arsenal or not, whether he needs to be sold or not is another discussion entirely.

The point of our argument is simple; did Tavarez perform very well more than Lokonga and Pepe for him to be rated above the duo this completed season?

You said No while I said Yes. If so,
Bring facts that favours Lokonga and Pepe to be rated above tavarez just same way as I brought facts that favoured Tavarez earlier over the duo. That's how it's done

This one you're going about criticising Tavarez no be am at all. Elevate your candidates with facts they achieved instead bringing down Tavarez.

Abi Lokonga and Pepe no do anything this season?

Ps: I don't to talk about that issue in which Xhaka played Lb against Brighton. Even Arteta knows that's a mistake and he never tried that nonsense again immediately after that.
Also, I'll talk about Tavarez's strength on another discourse entirely and not this one.