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Kilishihunter:
I knew gotze when he was already starring for Dortmund and was a little hurt when he left them for bayern immediately after the 2013 UCL loss, But gotze did well in his first season under pep posting double digit in goals, And Low didn't play any fast football, His style of play was more direct (not short) passing and high creativity, Heycknes had ribery and robben to do that for them, If they were playing 'fast football' as you said, Why was ozil able to put up a masterclass then :-\

cos ozil was a fast and direct football kinda player even though he looks languid. Reason why he shone at Madrid

So you agree gotze got his shine and fame in Dortmund and not Bayern. Nice.

Well, Me I think you're misunderstanding popi.zaino sha.

Kilishihunter:
Nobody said pep is the main factors in those countries achieving? Afterall he didn't coach those countries and not all his club players played there, What I'm just saying is that the national teams of the countries pep coached in so far tend to perform well even if he contributed 0.1% to it, I saw you typing about coincidence, show me other managers who had the same coincidence na

if it's 0.1%, then we can as well call other managers na. Abi no be so?.

If it's the coincidence, then I'll say only Germany he factored in their win.

Spain was already a winner before pep
England haven't still won anything. So nothing pep there
So if England goes on to win this euros, we'll give it to tuchel, or ancellotti

andrewbaba44:
I think you are contradicting your self

We need to give credit to pep for stones, stones was mostly on the bench because he is not good enough to even bench otamendi and others CB at city, should i remind you that stones didnt start 6 consecutive epl games for 3 good seasons till this season that just ended?

If not for pep england wont even take stones to this euros , look at sones playing so good, same cant be said of the previous seasons

No I'm not. You're even making my point for me. He talked about 2018 WC and I'm saying Stones wasn't among those for England to be reckoned with. So how exactly the pep help England?

Just only sterling and the sterling no even shine.
So how pep take help England for 2018 semi final run

Kilishihunter:
'They would have', 'They would have' Why didn't they win before 2014? Leave speculation and let's focus on reality, Heckynes came in 2011, lost to Chelsea in 2012, Germany went to euro 2012 and lost to Italy in the semi finals, Pep took over from heycknes in 2013/14 Won all but the UCL and a player that featured under him not Heckynes came off the bench to deliver a major title since 1996, Why won't pep's name popup since an almost similar occurrence happened in Barca and Spain?

Na you dey do "they would have"

So because gotze scored when it matters most, after warming bench almost throughout the tourney minutes, na Pep credit .

You're not answering my question..
Why did Germany play more of heynckes football than Pep possession based football? Cos that's the main factor that we'll agree.
All these because he came to so so country won't fly one bit.

Spain won euros before pep, but na Spain WC win naim pep affect
England have few of pep players starting, but na pep cause England reach semi finals

Now if England win euros, you no go dash tuchel or ancellotti wey come, but na pep wey don dey since 2017 (almost same time with klopp) you go wan dash.

Omo, make una die dat matter abeg

Kilishihunter:
Heycknes was coach in 2013/2014 right? Gotze played under heycknes abi? Heckynes coached bayern in 2012, could Germany go past Italy in euro 2012?

Even the gotze was already a star boy in Germany sef.
Gotze hype as at then, havertz no even reach am. That's to tell you who gotze was and how star studded German team were.

You think present German players of havertz and gnabry will get into that team? You think it's Pep that made those players who they were? lol

The Germany team of 2014 world cup played more like heynckes fast and ruthless football than of Pep possession based football he wanted to turn Bayern to

Kilishihunter:
Heycknes was coach in 2013/2014 right? Gotze played under heycknes abi? Heckynes coached bayern in 2012, could Germany go past Italy in euro 2012?

Heynckes team were made in 2012. That they're made in 2012 doesn't mean that they'll carry everything in 2012. The team was more rounded in 2013 which was just a year before the world cup. Pep or no pep, they would have won it. Same with France who were good in 2016 and won it in 2018. Thank God pep didn't coach PSG else una for say na pep make France carry world cup in 2018 after losing euros in 2016

Kilishihunter:
Pep not winning UCL after barca isn't my business, I just agree with pop ziano's line of thought that national teams tend to perform well when he coaches in their country, Germany's last major triumph was the euros in 1996, the rest near misses even in their country, But it was one of his players who came in to deliver the 2014 world cup to them, The Dutch too have had near misses too especially the world cup yet nothing, Italy has been mostly shambles after 2006 except in 2012 and just recently when Mancini was appointed

This is purely coincidental and nothing else. It's just like wen Ramsey scores then and a celebrity dies. Does it mean it's his goal that resulted in their unfortunate demise?

If we want to check his impact we'll look at his players, and whether most are pivotal in the team. The 2018 WC consist of sterling who didn't too shine and a walker that played Cb throughout the tourney and a stones that I didn't even know weda he played or not. Is that the impact or improvement you're talking about?

Or is it this euros that we have only sterling I admit that's shining, but what about shaw, grealish and Philips? Are they man city too?

Or you want to talk about stones that Mings can easily replace sharp sharp? Abi na foden?

Abeg, na Pep fanboyism una wan do for here

popizaino:
Sterling
Stone
Walker

Pep didn't bring out Walker. Walker was already a big time England player before 2018 and also before his move to Man city. Pochetinno did.

Stones? Someone who is mostly on the bench after his overpriced 50m move is what you're crediting to pep? In fact how many 2018 games did he play? Aside this concluded season, when last did he had a run of game in the league?

Na only sterling I might gree with pep just cos he improved him. Else everyone even knew who sterling was during his Liverpool days.

Abeg, this pep agenda no go fly lai lai.
Pep personally have no imprint in this England success at all at all..

Kilishihunter:
Even in the 2014 final, 5-6 bayern players started against Argentina with gotze another bayern player at the time subbed in to score the winner Pep was the manager

Which wan be this one na?
How is Jupp heynckes work now Pep's own?

Trevor012:
Euros 2008.... only 3 Barca players

World cup 2010..... 7 players with 6 starting the final. Come on. It was Pep team

True... Pique, busquet Pedro were Pep's players.

But hope you didn't include Villa sha

donstan18:
Personally, I don’t rate English managers, even this Southwareva....

England’s squad is the best in the world right now, from bench to age, from one position to another.

They need a very good tactical manager[Not English] that can help them win trophies and dominate the world with these young talents they have.

But politics no go gree them,m.

True... They're arguably one of the best.
Tho if England NT can employ Sven-Goran Eriksson and Fabio capello, then there's hope that they might employ a very good foreign coach with time.

I also don't rate southgate too

donstan18:
Na trap en wan set. Expecting me to fall for it because I rate English players.


Which reasonable Football fan will rate English managers ahead of German managers?

nobody oo...
Las las, if England see say British managers can't manage their talent well, no be to employ the correct German managers and everything go set?

The onus is on the players weda they're quality or not? To get quality manager to manage quality players for country no hard na

iamoyindamola:
Money must be made bro

I swear down

donstan18:
I rate German managers more than English managers. Just so you know.

Maybe the next thing you’ll bring up now is Germany economy vs English economy, since you’ve graduated from players to managers.

Omo... The amala turning was splendid

iamoyindamola:
psg joined juve in xhaka race
God please let it be true we must not suffer in vain for xhaka
From now on till swiss ja from euros i will pray and support them
Xhaka is currently trending #3

Me wey don dey support xhaka since dem beat France.

Na make him just shine and bring better money for us hopefully.

Ibime:
2010 world cup was won by the same team that won Euro 2008 (before Pep) playing the same style as 2008, so you can't even give that to Pep

Toh....

Ibime:
You mean he is supposed to influence England team from Southampton.

I suppose report this post to the mods.

The only thing improving England team is the academies producing good players in every position.

What killed the 2000s team was three things - lack of DM, Strikers and wingers. Now England is producing players in every position.

Popi.zaino surprise me for here oo

popizaino:
Last I checked pochettino was in England long before the world cup in Brazil, pls tell us how the three lions performed there keeping it in mind pep was still in Germany as at then.

I don't think the list of players I called up there ever played for pochetinno in Southampton.
They are all Tottenham players and I was specific. And by the way, pochetinno was appointed in 2014 at Tottenham, so 2014 world cup is invalid to the discussion reason why I brought 2018.

So over to you..
Tell me Pep's players at 2018 world cup that was instrumental in that team and tell me his golden touch in their style of play that made you think so?

iamoyindamola:
You don't get, isak movement allow room for folsberg to have chances not necessary creating them

Lol... Okayy, I you get now

Trevor012:
He shock you too . One said Kroos is not world class. My belle o

Kroos carry along
Rice more quality than Muller.

No be only rice na bean

All these things na because England Beat Germany

popizaino:
When you look at other variables from other countries you will know pep Guardiola's hand is written all over this english side .

Debruyne for Belgium
Zinchenko for Ukraine

This examples no be am at all.
If you wanna give a coach accolades for developing a national team, you look at the players from his club that are mainstays in the team. Just 1 or two players doesn't cut it.

If it's 2010 world cup win, I can give pep that one cos of xavi iniesta busquet pique puyol. And also how they played. That one is great.

Not just nit picking one or two players (like in the case of zichenko-ukraine here) and say it's the touch of pep.
For where?

mostob:
I know. why I'm trying to say is that we should spend on a proven goalscorer instead of this Isak. Balogun and Moller should be developed.

True.
And I agree with you, if we need someone, we need someone to bang in goals else it's better we develop Moller

iamoyindamola:
Isak did the dirty work, dragging defenders to him giving forsberg chances

Did you see most of forsberg goals?
He scored mostly as an Am than SS.
Maybe I'll have to rewatch his goals again, maybe I'm missing something.

mostob:
I will rather have Balogun. In fact there is this tall guy in our U23, I will rather have both.

Moller isn't ready yet sha.
My opinion tho.
Most of his games I do watch on YouTube, he still needs to improve sha

iamoyindamola:
Go watch him in soceidad, even sweden he sacrifice his goals to forsberg

Sacrifice ke?
This tournament wey I see?
Like I earlier said, he is good at sociedad this past season and unlucky not to get a goal.
But I disagree with the "he sacrificed he goals for forsberg"
Forsberg was more clinical than him and the forsberg was so unlucky yesterday.
Not that Isak had scoring opportunities then decided to lay it on a plate for forsberg.

Forsberg was their man and deservedly so.
Isak scoring boot wasn't on this tournament and it happens

popizaino:
Pochettino has been in England long enough before pep Guardiola but we didn't see this sort of improvement from the NT until pep arrived.

Most of England stars, pochettinno made them.
Walker, trippier, Kane, dele Alli (tho no longer around). That's the foundation England built on to become who they are. Who did pep produce for NT. Lemme just dash him sterling (that's only cos he improved in Manchester city).

Like someone says, the NT is playing more like Chelsea than man city and that's true and I no see any input of Pep handiwork for there. Make we no dash pep accolades for this one. E no go fly lai lai

Even the WC 2018 no get any touch of pep too

iamoyindamola:
why not if not
like for like and very young
No i won't want him as our main cf cos i don't enjoy aggressive cf

Ok cool.

Tho I don't see him as someone that's aggressive. I see him more of a technical and link up striker than An aggressive gidigbo striker

mostob:
. Isak is a no no please.

iamoyindamola:
I never said we should buy him
I said we should look out for him, he's still a good player I won't like to have him in arsenal since we have lacazette which they have a common game style.
I no too enjoy gidigbo aggressive kind of CF (Lukaku, lewandowski,ibrahimovic) I prefer flair gentle CF like morata, aubameyang.
I hope you get my point isak is a very good player which I saw from his first match I know you thinking he didn't get a goal.
I will take him ahead of seferovic and shuck of Czech sha

it's the same thing we're saying. If lacazette is sold would you like to have him as a possible replacement. I know he didn't score and I'm not holding that against him(if that's what you think).
I'm just saying with what you've watched from him so far, would you want him for arsenal like to take over from Auba and possibly slug it out or pair with balogun in future ?


And mehn, this your choice for striker eh. That wan no go too work for EPL oo, Those your kinda strikers to soft to challenge esp wen the situation dey tough.
Me I love my striker that have a good attributes of cavani and auba finishing.
Good in hold up play, movement and finishing.

iamoyindamola:
Central strike back

How far.
Now that Sweden is out and Isak adventure is over.
From his display, what do you think about arsenal buying him. Would you still advice arsenal to look towards his direction?

andrewbaba44:
Maybe because Guardiola players have impacted the English team more than klopp

Lol... I know say na cruise Popi.zaino just wan catch

But to me, if we're to give credit on the coach who had more impact and gave a good foundation to English team, I'll give it to pochetinno

CrystalTiger:
Muller..He's past it abeg..

Lol... Maybe true, but the young guns refused to step up.
So, I wouldn't blame him much