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Roland17:
Now I get you. Thank you for the clarification. Fekir has been on our radar since Wenger's days and it is shocking we or other top teams for that matter have not made any concrete steps to get him. I know Liverpool tried 2-3 seasons ago while he was at Lyon but it fell through.

Now, you have to understand that Fekir is not particularly a creative player in terms of making assists for others. He is skillful on the ball, intelligent, able to break plays, create space and make amazing runs but as far as the Ozil style of creating for others, you will not get that from him.

You're welcome bro about the clarification.
Wow! Never knew he isn't that creative. So who do you suggest we think of in that No10 role and also for lwf.

Roland17:
I am sorry, I don't think he an impact player for a club looking to compete for top 4. He is not going to improve our offense, I don talk my own!

I'm with you. My post isn't suggesting for us to get him, talk more of that amount, but to look towards la liga for correct and cheap midfielders

Spy360:
Arteta should have the links

He better do oo.. All these England and over bloated prices no be am

iamoyindamola:
Fekir
Feran Torres
Etc

Esp fekir. I dunno why we didn't get that player from Lyon since

Spy360:
Arsenal makes enquiry on Grealish, Villa says €80m

Villa dey always say €80m. All the best for them. Can we go to Spain and get a very good midfielder... Haba

NinjaMetahuman:
Klopp went from great bottler who never won anything tangible to the great conqueror in the space of 2 years.


May be Tottenham should have kept pochetino.

Why do you guys always say this? It's not as if klopp isn't a league or cup winner before coming to Liverpool.
Na wa oo

Beorn:
Go school, you no go gree go. To dwarf someone means to dominate someone. Next time, I won't be so kind to lecture you for free.

Lol... Mr teacher thank you, you hear?

Sorry, no vex

Beorn:
Heresy. Pogba is not KDB's mate. KDB dwarfs him in all positive aspect.

Hmmm.... English

afrodoc2:
Sorry Martinelli.

I would like 4 of them in my squad. They can now fight for first team shirt. I don't want any of your CBs in the county of Lancashire not to talk of even the city of Manchester.

Nah!!... You dey turn, I no gree.
Example, if kdb or aguero enter una team, he's sure of a first team shirt. Na wetin I wan hear.

How many of the players you picked go collect 1st team shirt without fighting( just the way Bruno did).

Ok putting it succinctly, how many of the players go walk into una team like Bruno.?? At least, every body know say Bruno no fight for shirt the way wey you want those players to do...

afrodoc2:
Let me simplify it for you. I will take Aubameyang, Saka, Ceballos and Martinez from your team into my squad right now. Nelson, Nketiah are to be decided. I no send Lacasera.

But I won’t touch any of your Clown’s conference of central defenders with a 785ft pole if the fate of the human race depended on it.

Is it until Holding, Chambers, Mustafi and Luiz wear dunce’s caps unto the pitch before you recognize them for what they are?

I believe you wanna call martinelli(the youngster) instead of Martinez(the keeper).

So from the afformentioned list, be sincere...
Aside Auba, how many would you want in your first eleven?

afrodoc2:
You guys have a committee of clowns in central defence but think the problem is in attack.

I laugh in OtemAtum.

You can laugh in otem or atum or both, but you like the media is over exaggerating that our cb issues.
Esp wen we have
Mari
Saliba(hoping he comes good)
Holding
Chambers
Luiz.
Mustafi
At least, these 6 are ok for first eleven and squad depth.

Who do we have in midfield and attack?

OK, doc. Assuming we have van dijk and koulibali, can you name a first team (11) for arsenal lemme see your lineup(include the van dijk and koulibaly)

pkasso:
Here is mine in the usual 442:
Pope; TAA, van Dijk, Egan, Robertson; Salah, KDB, Henderson, Mane; Vardy, Ings
Bench; DHenderson, Soyuncu, BFernandes, Traore, Jimenez

I fully agree with your choices for the player awards.

Which Bruno?

Spy360:
OK. Sorry for the digression.

I think our business in defense has been concluded. The signing of Saliba, Mari and Luiz's extension concluded that. Unless one of our older clowns gets sold, I don't think any new defender will join us.

Based on the above, I will not contest your statement. Rather I would say it's the midfield first then the attack. We sincerely need a DM, AM and a winger. But they must be top quality, if not no need to waste money.

The bolded is the reason I am calling on the Kroenkes to man up for the club.

Finally, we've agreed on the issue.

KingAlabi:
Does chilwell offer close to what Robertson offers?
I doubt the so called Robertson is the best left back in the premier league.
Robertson go still come United una go still cast am.

Oga no doubt am. He's the best

Spy360:
Let's use real teams.

Liverpool scored less than City but are champions. In fact City has 15 more goals than Liverpool and a better goal difference but are 8pts worse. Both have good attacks but Liverpool has the better defense.

Sheffield has scored just 38goals. That's relegation figure, as West Ham has scored 48. But Sheffield United are contesting for Europe while West Ham were facing relegation struggles.

Selah

Lol.
So what about arsenal and Chelsea?. At least arsenal conceded way less goals than Chelsea.
Also, in 2016/2017 season when Chelsea carried the league, Chelsea conceded more goals than Tottenham (33 to 26.) Yet Chelsea was the winner why Tottenham was 2nd.
You know what, we can keep on churning this debate up and down till we clear all the whole bush wey we don beat finish ...lol, but by next season, if we don't improve our midfield and attack, you personally will still keep on blaming the defence without knowing the root cause.

You might say our defence cost us points against Leicester(1-1), Aston (1-0), but I'll solemnly tell you it's attack.

Spy360:
Brother I will not expect us to play that way in every game. There are games against smaller teams that the attack needs to provide the win like against Villa. But against tougher teams it's the defense that matters more to provide the win. That's why I said both attack and defense are needed. But that between the two, it's defense that actually ensures that you remain competitive.

I have explained before that with a guaranteed defense you CANNOT lose. That's the secret of the Italian WC winning team. And many others also.

Let me reiterate that both defense and attack must be good to win a title but defense is that department that ensures it's possible.

Hian, we both agree on the bolded since na. Our bone of contention here is "what is arsenal main priority to ensure top 4 next season"? You said defence, I said midfield and attack. We're not talking about title. We won't meet man city and Liverpool every weekend, but you see those small teams. Na almost every weekend. So, wen we're not expected to park the bus, is it defence that will put us in the driving seat or midfield/attack?

iamoyindamola:
I don't understand your screen shots at all

Lol

Roland17:
Forgive me but are you guys even reading and understanding what you are arguing?

Let me argue from the stand point that we are not playing to win the league, our focus is the top 4, so who are our competitors for top 4?

Leceister, Wolves, Tottenhan, Manchester United, Chelsea and Sheffield, right?

Well, tell me what you see from the attached screen! I don't have time for epistles!!!

The first one is data for goals conceded this season (2019/2020), the 2nd is the number of goals we scored last season.

Don't worry I know why I am using 2 different seasons for 2 different records. Na for here I go catch una!

Lol...
This isn't right in any way.
The two comparison no gel.
Bring goals scored and goals conceded this season among our top 4 competitors let's see

Roland17:
Baba, I think you are the one construing the argument here. Arsenal don't have to park the bus against all teams but when there is an obvious disparity in quality, it is the defense that guarantees you points, i.e games against Liverpool and manchester City.

Nobody is against the team packing the bus against Liverpool or man city. After all, they're head and shoulder above us, what I'm trying to say is the midfield and attack is poor against small teams that's why the defence suffers. Spy brought Manchester city game as example, which I debunked cos if we can use that as example for good defensive solidity, then same can apply wen playing Everton or Sheffield. And that's why I said he shouldn't use those two as example cos that's anomaly instead of the norm

Fkhalifa:
The bolded is everything in thi discussion.

Meanwhile, Arsenal's is Average attack+Average+Midfield+Average defence =
6-10.
So Arsenal still need a top class AM and LW, I don't and can't trust/risk them Saka,Martinelli and Willock for a whole season, they should rather be eased in.

Seriously... Everything about arsenal is average. Why won't we be in top 10. Gone are those days whereby if a small team first and score us, I still have hope of equalising and winning, but now? If we first concede, it's either lose or draw...
Is that how our arsenal suppose to be?

Spy360:
I will agree with what you stated here to a large extent.

But what of...

Good defense, good midfield, average attack. (give example)

Vs

Average defence, good midfield, good attack. (give example)

Good defence, good midfield and average attack will yield you top 3-5

Average defence, good midfield and good attack will surely land you top 2-4. If the contending teams aren't strong enough, you fit carry league sef.

Spy360:
Chelsea lost to Liverpool despite scoring 3 at Anfield.

We beat City because Luiz was MOTM. Our tight defensive structure ensured that the attack was potent.

You see, I love good attackers but football is not about scoring it's really about not conceding. Because when you don't concede, you will never lose a game.

You see that thing bolded there... That's one thing I feel you fail to grasp about our win. Granted we won man city with good defensive solidity, but is that how you want our solidity to be every match? Like always parking the bus against Liverpools and man citys and maybe Southampton and Aston Villas of the world? We know there's disparity between our team and those two, but that's why we packed the bus cos we're the underdogs. What I'm trying to say is, we can't use those 2(Liverpool and man city wins) as example when bringing up case of defending cos what we did in those two games was community/packing the bus defending which cannot be sustainable in a league if you're aiming for top4.

Talk your truth, if arsenal play that way(the way we played Liverpool and man city), against everybody in the league, will you still love the club, and would we go far? I'll leave you to answer that silently yourself.

Also I remember us beating a man city side 2-0 3-4yrs ago(cazorla and giroud were the scorers). If I were to choose between that 2-0 and this, I will 100x choose that one cos that have everything. We controlled midfield, we attacked and we defended well. And who were the important and highly rated players that match .....Cazorla and coquelin. Our midfield dominated theirs sotey Silva loss for pitch. We had shots and shots on target and our defence wasn't under intense pressure. That's the kinda arsenal I'm hoping and praying for not this fa cup type of arsenal that won man city.

OJURONGBE1:
I tell you Baba!
Thinking about Kepa just exhausts me at this point but he wasn't this awful last season.
Do you think David Luiz leadership and coordination at the heart of defence mitigated this calamity we're experiencing?

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David Luiz? The agent you sent to Arsenal?

Akinbahm:
They are on 4th because their attackers are deadly upfront...

If Chelsea need to compete for the league next season all they just needed is to get a decent defence who will support the work of the attackers from being capitulated...

In conclusion good attackers would earn u Top4 and ur defense wins the league for u so easy.




I seconded you with this...

The bolded have been my thoughts right from beginning. That's what I've been telling Spy and Roland.
Good midfield + Good attack + average defence will get you top 4.

Good midfield + Good attack + Good defence will get you league or a title contender

Average midfield + Average attack + Good defence will get you top 6-10

iamoyindamola:

iamoyindamola:
Martinez

Tah! You're not an arsenal fan

iamoyindamola:
Una get Leno na

Who be una 2nd keeper sef?

iamoyindamola:
Martinez is available, 60m should do the trick

Come... If na joke stop am oo

wman:
Chelsea has conceded 54 goals this season. That's more than Brighton and Hove who are 16th on the table.

See this??.
There's a difference why we're 10th and they're 4th on the log and I don't think it's due to defence