₦airaland Forum

I know most people will say death jazz(charm) doesn't exist and all that. Why I do not wanna argue about weda jazz(charm) is real or not, I just want to say I saw its effect live on my late dad.
If you don't believe jazz(charm) fine, but I just wanna plead that you guys who doesn't believe in jazz(charm) should please don't insult those who believe.
Just like the new virus now that's in China, that it's not yet in Nigeria doesn't mean the virus doesn't exist

Kbs468:
Well spoken in truth.

I feel like both should continue to feature even if Kolasinac is back except Tieney

eh? Kolasinac that's trying of late, you wan bench am for saka. Abeg o, saka is a winger not fullback, let us don't kill his talent abeg.


Welcome bro to the arsenal family. We would always love your opinion, analysis, info and all. You're very very much WELCOME

donstan18:
Why are you editing, excluding and modifying someone's achievements nh....

Did Emery not trash and humiliate Klopp from one goal down in the same Europa Finals.

it is just the way I won't rate Norwich coach for winning EFL championship last season. All that one na 2nd rated cup. Relegation cup. No one loves to participate in it(except if you're Emery)

donstan18:
You saying Europa is #5 while Ucl is #1000??

ehen na.
Cup wey relegation team fit qualify play, is dat a cup?
Cup wey division 2 fit play, is that a cup?
Na Im u wan take compare champions league?

donstan18:
If compared statistically, Zidane, Emery and Conte are far better and more successful than Klopp.

I never even wan call Benitez and Ancelloti.


Mou and Pep still dey another level.

in terms of successful, Zidane I gree, conte I gree, but how's is Emery more successful than klopp with plenty Europa 2nd rated cup.? Na wa o
League sef e be like say na only 1 or 2 which was at PSG. And in the best team in the country with no competition. So excluding his 3 relegation cup, both klopp and Emery are tied

donstan18:
Fine, let's go with your Naira analogy.

Ucl=1000
Uel=500.

Klopp has one Ucl, meaning he has #1000

Emery has three Uel, meaning he has #1500.

Case closed.


Courrrrrrrrrrrt!

oga na 5naira I use no be 500naira o.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]I've always found the "Pep is a fraud and all that" chants very laughable. Pep is a very brilliant coach. It's only on NL I get to read that stuff anyway.

For me, trophies, records can only filter who's more successful, not better. I remember sometime on United's thread, the argument of who's better between Ole and Poch came up, and while a good number agreed that Poch was better, the trophy cabinet said otherwise for Ole

For me, "Who's better" is more vast and abstract too. There has to be some sort of common ground too to determine this. Also, conditions surrounding their job and their achievements despite that should be considered. Someone who carried the Romanian league 10 times may not actually be better than someone finishing between 4th to 6th in the EPL

That's what I feel sha [/color]

You sabi

Swissh:
Mistake it's 6. Donstan18 already listed them for you.

yeah.. Seen it.
Lol

donstan18:
Ucl 2013 against Bayern...2:1
German cup 2014 against Bayern...AET
German cup 2015 against Wolfsburg....3:1
Capital one cup 2016 against ManCity...AET
Europa 2016 against Sevilla.....3:1
UCL 2018 against Madrid....3:1

Who does that?

6 fvcking straight!!

Plus the one he lost last season against Pep.

He has lost 3 fvcking finals against Pep.

I mean Pep who has won about 11 out of 12 finals.

lol... I'm not among those saying pep issa fraud. My own is between Emery is greater than klopp.
Well, you win cos even if I bring situations of why he lost you'll find it as excuse.
Let's agree say klopp f**k for that one

donstan18:
Too much talks.

What's difficult in my question.

Between Emery and Klopp, who has more European trophies?

lol, it's like Mr A having hundred #5 notes and Mr B have a #1000 note. But Mr A claims he's richer than Mr B because his currency is much. Lol.
That's how you're classifying this Emery and klopp charade here.

hensben:
Same Emery that couldn’t even improve Arsenal is who someone is using to compare Klopp. All these raumdeuter boys sef.

same Emery wey dey fear champions league o

Swissh:
Yes same Klopp who lost Seven straight finals. Who was called Serial bottler and failure is now the Best thing since tissue paper.

can you name me the 7 straight finals?

donstan18:
Emery and Klopp who has more European trophies?

Who has more domestic trophies?

Let's start from there first.

let's start with domestic trophies. The European trophies you're yapping about are not on the same level ground. One is relegation cup the other is proper European cup.
1champions league >>>>>>>>>>1000 Europas

donstan18:
But Klopp wanted to win it when Emery disgraced him in 2015...

Agreed, but nobody wants to be playing Europa year in year out. Sheffield abi Norwich wey win championship last season wouldn't wanna win it next season nor d next one again. That tells how no one rate it. Nobody gives a damn about Europa, why e get small levels now na because na auto-qualification to champions league. If not it's as good as skybet cup

izzou:
[color=royalblue]I'd prefer you use MORE SUCCESSFUL instead of BETTER,
since we are using trophies to rate them

Barcelona second choice goalkeeper may have more trophies than Alisson, but that doesn't make him better

Emery has more trophies than Klopp, but I'm sure a lot of people will pick Klopp over him.

I don't know if you understand my point sha [/color]

your head dey there bro

hensben:
Kids everywhere. Emery with Europa league trophies.

na diz wan weak me. I guess Brendan Rodgers is more successful than klopp too. After all him dey carry domestic double abi treble back to back.

Europa wey be relegation cup for champions league na wetin donstan dey use brag

Ibime:
What of Emre Can that was making shakara and left on a free thinking he is bigger than the club, only to become a spare part at Juve.

lol.. Na true.
The only u-30 player in a champions league squad wey no qualify to play champions league

larride:
The fact that you keep saying Klopp will give Liverpool advantage as if the Man Utd team will be coached by Ole.

A front three of Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez vs a defense of Robertson, VVD, Gomez and Arnold

Midfield of Owen Hargreaves, Carrick and Scholes vs a midfield of Gini, Henderson and Fabinho

A front three of Salah, Mane n Firmino vs a defense of Evra, Vidic, Ferdinand and Neville.

VDS v Allison.


I know which team I will put my money on.

Can I ask you a question.
On paper, the team of Man u 2008/2009 vs the team of barca 2008/2009, at the start of the season, who would you have put your money on over and over again if they were to play that final 3 times?
Your sincere answer please

TalabiAudu:
Dude is such a useless coach.

lol... Who's a useless coach?

Expert17:
A Chelsea fan Spotted,.... Dey will beat Man Utd team of 2007/2008 and won't beat Chelsea 2004/2005.. .
A team with Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez at front, not to talk of scholes in the middle and Vandersar, Vidic and Ferdinand at d back.... Think am well....
The only Liverpool player dat Wil enter dat Man utd team is Arnold and Van Dirk.

Lol....I'm not a Chelsea fan o.
Well, I think I'm getting ahead of myself of this klopp thing. But I guess you're diverting away from the main crux of the issue. We're not talking of combined 11, cos man u definitely have more talented and better individual players than this Liverpool. I'm talking about Liverpool as a whole and as a system. Their style of play and their pressing is what make dem unique and why I feel they can Nick any result. The team I feel can beat this Liverpool side at least over 3 consecutive legs is pep barca of 2008/2009.

larride:
LOL

lol... Hope say I no blaspheme?

A40:
Them say cow wey wan go America by force go come back as corned beef. - Chiwetalu Agu 2001

. I swear

hensben:
Barcelona just won ucl in 2006, reached semi the next year before pep took over, they were formidable team before pep took over, it was just dressing room problem they were having orchestrated by Ronaldinho’s(their key man the) life style, or is it Bayern that just won treble or man city that made semi final. Now Klopp, none of Dortmund’s players will make Barcelona first eleven then or is it Liverpool players now. [/b]Klopp should just try to leave Liverpool now you will see that most of his players are not world class. Klopp effect on players is amazing[b].

Gbam. Na wetin I wan tell izzou guy b this..
I remember wen Liverpool(e be like say Madrid buy am too, not sure sha) bought nuri sahin after his wonderful 2 season with klopp's Dortmund. E be like say na cane dem pursue am go Dortmund back after him flop. Gotze nko, pep finish dat one career after he was the prince of Dortmund. Even recently, mkhi, wey man u buy,na swap dem swap am with arsenal after his outstanding last campaign with Dortmund. You'll be surprised, Arnold go go man city , and pep go bench him life for another rb sef.

A40:
All I know is we are seeing Klopp handle a team where his best players can't be poached. Who knows how many trophies he could have won if he was in similar shoes ab initio

Exactly. This is what most people don't know

Melvyn11:
Just wanted to know the basis on why you think klopp Liverpool is better than those teams mentioned or even stand a chance against them. I was just curious why you think this Liverpool team is greater than those United/Chelsea teams even when they have 0 domestic trophies so far and just a ucl title to their name.

well, I won't say they are greater than united or Chelsea team I quoted. I said in terms of play, they might beat them, not because individually they're better than the squad of united or Chelsea, but because of the klopp factor.
Klopp have shown time and again that he's really a great coach. Even tho you'll say they've not won any domestic league, we all know this season is wrapped up already. Its just a matter of when not if.

Also like I said, I believe(my opinion tho) because of klopp and the style of play he employs, they'll marginally beat man u of 2007/2008. But you see those 2004/2005 of Chelsea, they'll drag it.

A40:
And they warned Coutinho oh

I swear. Even klopp beg am, show am him plans sef, but my guy still do strong head say him wan go barca. Now, even d barca him no even dey

sod09:
Another shakushaku as if Pepe is not enough

Chrisus:
#mufc have looked at Odion Ighalo and Islam Slimani as they try to sign a striker on loan #mulive [sky]

I'm not a fan o but... Wtf!!!

Melvyn11:
Sorry just out of curiosity. How many domestic trophies has his Liverpool side won? [/b]How many trophies in total through out his tenure[b]?

this Liverpool team peaked last season. It's unfair to ask such a question.
Also @ the bolded. We all know top clubs poached his best players. Even at that he still won back to back league (to show that it was no fluke) and some domestic cup too. Poaching of his best players year in year out is not something and starting afresh is not something saf nor mourinho normally encounter during their peak reigns.

afrodoc2:
Nah. I am a huge Klopp fan right from the days Lucas Barrios was the main man and Lewandowski a mere sub. However SAF and “special one era” Mourinho are no pushovers.
Klopp has no advantage there.

Lol...
How I wish there's a way all 3 teams can play together at their peak. Y'all will be surprised?

Godx:
2004/2005 Chelsea is prime Mourinho. There is no premier league team I am betting against that team . 15goals conceded in 38matches with a back line of Bridge-Terry-Gallas-Ferreira.

I know Chelsea team of 2004/2005 was really great.. But this Liverpool team will give them a run for their money. Klopp and his team really great make we no lie.

afrodoc2:
Those teams were managed by SAF and prime Mourinho so Klopp doesn’t give this Liverpool team any advantage.

To be sincere, I think you guys are underestimating this Liverpool team or klopp per say