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sod09:
oh my bad
That was why I used spurs for example

... No p bro

sod09:
If they won't win anything, the players and coach will be hungry for new challenge the team will be poach by big clubs. Eriksen ran away, I'm sure Kane and son will be nursing the idea if big clubs come calling.
I'm bringing out these points because you think wolves are becoming stronger moreover, they have more fixtures with europa

No I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm not even thinking if wolves will be like Manchester city or Tottenham in 2-3yrs time. No!
I'm just strictly about talking about this season with respect to our champions league ambition.
Those guys with the way they're playing now and their result of last season will tell you that their likelihood to not make top4 or 5 is slim. Those guys have been together, finished high last season together. No greater motivation than for them to taste champions league, especially now that 5th is potentially opened up. Their aim will be to get the champions league slot, which will affect is too, cos technically, they're above us in standing. They've got the experience and desire and better, compared to their last season.

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I hope this guy goes to a shrink or seeks psychological help ASAP. He has been mediocre since anfield.[/quote]dostan18, Godx.
This is from a barca fan.

Now I'm not saying Alba is good or great. But on current form with his injury, do you think he would have been able to bench Robertson if he's in barca? I doubt it

sod09:
wolves and Sheffield will fall like Leicester it's normal, you can ask why spurs can't win anything with the whole hype

lol, winning is quite different from making top 4. You might say Sheffield might fall, but you see that wolves? Those guys are going from strength to strength. Even if they may become Tottenham (that's not winning anything), they can also emulate them by breaking into that top 4

sod09:
I knew it was over when papa came in for mustafi.
This is the second time Arteta will do this stupid mistake, he delay substitution just like he did against Chelsea and we lost, lacazette was regaining form on bench and you started him leaving martinelli.
That match pain me because ebening as useless as he is will never lose that match, I hope and pray we hustle top 4

The good thing now is that top 5 is open now, and with Chelsea and Leicester underperforming, we might try and clinch that.
But then even wolves and Sheffield above us will be looking at that spot too!
Mehn , it's complicated o

sod09:
I complained about the selection before the match started some people were praising him for sticking to same guys.
Trying to over drill these lazy guys will back fire, top 4 is out of our hands but it's possible. I think Leicester lost yesterday

Yeah I saw you did...
Even me, I complained about how the guys were fatigued on Sunday. I don't understand how he believed that those guys who nearly fainted against Everton will be strong enough on Thurs. I was really disappointed with the lineup. Person I pity sef is Saka, I hopes he doesn't break down.
Please, Arteta should learn to rotate his squad o, if not, we'll just lose key players b4 season end.

Spy360:
The fact is that apart from Auba and Saka (incidentally both are played out of position) every other player needs to improve really to meet up with our standard. The worst for me right now is Ozil, just watching the highlights of yesterday's game, the clown was at fault for the first goal which actaully damaged everything. People blame Leno but how can Ozil just stand there like a scare crow and allow the free run and header? Totally unbelievable, shambolic. Same goes to Socratis for the second goal. So disgusting!

Talking about the 442, its actually a counter attacking formation which bypasses the midfield and allows attack mainly from the flanks. I am not Arteta but I think it will maximise the strengths of our players.

Hmmm... To me, ozil isn't the worst o. The first header, I don't know who to blame tho, cos they just all allowed the guy free run, and as zonal marking, I don't expect ozil(of all people o), to chase that guy. At least, I know his limitations.
2nd goal isn't sokratis fault. That's fully on Leno for conceding the corner. Just kick your ball in, I trust Martinez for that. Also Luiz is to blame to. I mean head that ball out, he ducked away, allowing a simple tap in on the far post. It's so so sad. Further more, our attackers are bad...I still don't understand why he's alienating Martinelli of all people. When we all know he's a decent goalscorer. Not putting him in league, then Europa u benched him, wen you know he's our highest goal scorer, then you're putting him at extra time 2nd half. Like who does that. Me I'm still critical of Pepe tho.. He needs to learn how to hit the ball hard. Most of his ball are tame shots.

Also about the 442 ish, we'll need a very strong dmf and a cm with high work rate, which neither xhaka or ceballos is, thus our midfield will easily be bypassed. Also, we'll need clinical forwards, Pepe isn't clinical enough neither is lacazette. It might be good on paper but to be sincere, that formation won't work with our personnel we're parading.

Spy360:
An Arsenal fan based website have suggested we kick Ozil out of our starting line up. As in what does he bring to the table these days? He easily switches off on defensive duties and it's not like he has bunch of assists to make up with as he did before. So why start him at the expense of young upcoming players (I am not talking about Willock please) that are willing to work their socks off to keep a shirt.

We go 4-4-2
......................... Leno........................
Bellerin.. Mustafi..... Luiz... .....Saka
Pepe.... Ceballos.... Xhaka.. Martinelli
.......... Lacazette .... Aubameyang....

Saka as fullback till we have a proper LB available.
Creativity can easily come from three angles, Ceballos, Pepe and Martinelli /Saka
Lacazette can drop into midfield for link up play and provide space for Aubameyang.

Cc: Mikel Arteta

Pepe needs to work on his output. Aside the west ham goal which was well taken as he cut in to his left and hit it to the far corner, his other tries have been worrisome. He two other goals(against man u and Newcastle) was really to do with positioning than actually cutting in to his left. In summary, he needs to add end product to his play. Watched the highlights of ystdy game and I felt if only he hit the ball hard and far corner with any of the 2 opportunities he had, (one in first half, one in 2nd half extra time), we could have been singing a different song now. We can't solely be depending on auba for goals, it's just not right.

Also laca in that team need to be moved on sincerely. He hasn't been a prolific goalscorer for us, gasses out quickly and even his holdup play is not top notch, not also good aerially. We need auba there or groom nketiah and martinelli there.

Also, Amn should compete the rb spot with bellerin. Bellerin have been subpar this past few weeks. A little push in terms of competition can boost him up, if not, then straight to bench.

All in all, I feel the 442 on pitch won't work, especially those two in the middle of the park(ceb and xhaka). Our midfield will be overrun and bypassed easily

odizeey:
bros. Easy na. How many years did mbappe play before he was tagged world class. ABI mbappe no be world class?

To be sincere, I won't call him that yet, tho his potential is near.
Well, I think this world class thing is relative at best. Mbappe to me, isn't a world class....yet!

Owen was explosive just as he is at such a young age...to you, would you call Owen a world class?

homesteady:
So please tell us who are the world class Left backs of this last decade.

Hmmm...
Looking at that left back positions of the decade. I'm sorry, I've to admit Jordi is among!

VicThory:
You're right tho, but Robert still isn't living up to standard. [/b]Alaba > him[b]

this I never doubted

VicThory:
To me, Robertson isn't up to World class standard. Alaba and Alba are better. Alaba is the best due to his versatility of playing cb, cm and full back. But you can't always count on Robertson.

On current form is what I'm talking about. That presently, Robertson is better than Alba. Tho, I didn't say he's world class

Also, i know this might be an unpopular opinion, but in terms of fullback role in Liverpool, you can count on Robertson more than Arnold sef. Arnold isn't strong defensively but great attack wise. Also Arnold racks in more assist cos he's their set piece taker. Robertson is strong both defensively and attack wise

odizeey:
These boys have been balling three years now(consistency and longevity). I don't need to explain their performance to you na.

lol, 3yrs, is approximately just 3 seasons na . That's not long enough. I was thinking of 5-6 years upward.

homesteady:
You don't even know Alba that much. Alba was already making Euro 2012 team of the tournament before Barcelona bought him from Valencia.
I think he even scored in the final.

He is a la Masia product though.

Yeah, I know he's a La Masia product.
I just know is a very good player, but not up to world class

odizeey:
What will dey do to be tagged world class?
Remember your coach said if kane should be tagged world class then aubameyang should be also. What is the yardstick?

What I feel in terms to tag someone world class, is high level of performance, consistency and longevity.

NextD18:
End of discussion bruv.

I can't deal!!

. ok

NextD18:
Alba is just a good player?

Yup. It's the system of barca that's aiding him. Alba is never a world class

odizeey:
We never still know the metric for calling player world class o.

Lol...
It's really speculative.
Tho I don't see Robertson and Arnold as world class yet

NextD18:
You dey mind them. Aside Ucl games, they don't watch them. Na to dey watch Epl dey misyarn!

How can a reasonable person say Robertson is a world class player?

Very laughable!!

[/b]And still arguing that the likes of Alaba, Sandro and Alba aren't better[b].

I can imagine Robertson benching Alaba in Bayern, benching Sandro in Juve and also Benching Alba in Barca.


Rubbish!!

Well, I think you're using old CV to judge them against Robertson. While I wouldnt want to say Robertson is world class, but the only world class of those 3 you mentioned is just Alaba. The other two are just good players.

Ibime:
Robertson is much better than those guys jor. Only Alba comes close with his recent resurgence.

Abi bro...

NextD18:
Simple! Na Robertson you dey watch pass, so it'll be difficult to know how good and consistent Alaba, Sandro and Alba are.

of the three sef, the most underwhelming is Sandro. I no no why you still dey call am.
Lol.

Godx:
What is with you people and overreacting players. Is firmino and Henderson world class as well? Robertson is a good player not world class. He has been below par this season self. Most of these Liverpool players are system players. Take them to any other team and they will flop badly.

Bro, I didn't bring issues of world class here, so I'm not saying he is or not.
What I'm saying is, "CURRENTLY" Robertson is better than Alba and Sandro.
Even the latter two aren't world class either, so I don't know why you felt I meant Robertson was world class

NextD18:
I said Alba and Sandro are better and will bench Robertson anyday anytime.

... Only in your team tho.
Robertson that have good defensive ability than those two, good crossing ability and also good with attack, coupled with a tremendous work rate.
I dunno how those two wan take bench am

NextD18:
Fact!

If they are to be in the same team with Robertson, Robertson will be benched, he can't start ahead of Alba and Sandro in any team.

lol... Alba and Sandro that are losing form presently? This present alba and Sandro?
Lol...
Seems you too underrate Robertson.

NextD18:
Alba, Alaba and Sandro.

Alba and Sandro better than Robertson CURRENTLY?

Well, it's all good. Sod mentioned same players playing so many games within a matter of days and I think that's what affected the players. Tho I didn't watch the match ystdy but our prior match, you could see almost all the guys were tired, most notably saka. He should have rotated the squad well and still bring out a strong squad. Introduction of Martinelli, torreira and AMN(for saka...I know not his right position, but he's played there b4, once or twice) could made the squad still strong enough

Now the champions league next season will be so tough to reach.

All in all, we move tho

kokanepyramid:
its someone that wants to form local champion that will opt for Nigeria with the choices available

lol... I swear.
Example, someone like iwobi no go dey see shirt for England, but for Nigeria 24/7

BlueRayDick:
A player who is sure of himself will opt for England ahead of Nigeria 100 times. A player like Pogba with self confidence has world cup to show for his choice toaday. He is by far better than any other player of African descent that opted to play for their country of origin.

True!!
Now we're on same page. Nigeria is more like a soft landing compared to England, tho England have all the enticement to mk you opt for them

BlueRayDick:
I really do not understand you, but what I said was clear. [/b]Most people think if players like Tomori, Tammy and Saka opt for naija, they stand a chance of winning AFCON, playing longer on the international scene and other assumptions[b].

What I've only done is to mention Nigerian players who won AFCON 7 years ago but less than 2 years after the feat a whole lot of them couldn't make the team. Why ? because of their dip in form in their respective clubs, moving to a lower/less lucrative league etc. These factors will make you lose you place in the English national team as well whether you are green, blue, white or black.

Mikel getting called is an absurdity that shouldn't have happened but this is Nigeria and that is how we do things.

All I'm saying is if a player stays top of his game for long, he will surely see more playing time for his national team England or any other country.

The bolded is what I'm talking about, which I agree with.

Summary of what I'm saying is.. If someone like saka drops his form to 50%(god forbid tho), he might lose his England shirt but will be guaranteed shirts 100% in Nigerian color. Even if he's loaned out to any EPL team. As long as he's still in EPL, he will always see shirt unlike if he played in England NT.

Those 7 guys you gave as example are people whom have gone into obscurity in clubs. Clubs wey sometimes nfpl better pass, so you don't expect naija to call them.
The long and short of it is that, it depends on your form. While England NT, you need a high standard. But in Nigeria, even 50% of your form guarantees your longevity in the national team.... As long as you're still in a [/b]known[b] club.

BlueRayDick:
This argument is not valid at all. Nigeria will also drop any player who is not having it good with his club side. If u doubt this, please mention how many players that were part of the 2013 winning team that still starts for super eagles till date. Where is Sunday Mba who scored the only goal in the afcon final? Where is Emmanuel Emenike?

You may want to argue those guys are old and all.....but know that they are contemporaries with a whole lot of players who still get call up like Thomas muller of Germany and Co.

It's just normal for u to lose Ur position in the national team once u form drops at the club level. The national team moves on to some newly discovered talent. This applies to Super Eagles and The three lions alike. Stop making it seem as if super eagles won't dump him if his form dips.


Aside being patriotic, there's nothing special about a player of Nigerian descent opting to play for the country.

If the young man feels playing for his adopted country will make him happy, abeg let him go ahead. Pogba opted for France ahead of Guinea Conakry, today he is a world cup winner and his twin brothers dey jo soapy for Guinea national team

not supporting saka playing for Nigeria or not, but I feel your opinion doesn't give a clearer pictures of the gulf in quality between the 2 teams.
Now you talk of emenike and the likes not called up. So I ask, what club were they playing for, and why are they not called up?. Most of these guys, Nigerians don't Even know their club sef, and if you check well, dem still dey chop bench for that club. Lol.

Mikel was a chronic benchwarmer in Chelsea, yet he sees shirt anytime Nigeria have a match. Why because, he is in Chelsea. As long as you're in a top club in in any of the top 5 leagues, even if you dey warm bench steady, you go surely play for naija. That can't be said if you're an England interest.

Even the muller wey dey see shirt small small sef still dey Bayern. Most of the guys you called no dey any big club at all. Or you think say if Ahmed Musa dey England, dem go still dey call am by now? Wen him dey Saudi?
Lolzzz

Kbs468:
Saka received his GCSE results from Greenford High School in Ealing, West London, in the summer of 2018, just six months before he made his Arsenal debut aged 17.

“In the last year of doing GCSEs, Bukayo was out of school with Arsenal quite a bit, but he was brilliant,” Mark Harvey, his former PE teacher, told the Times . “He knuckled down, got really good grades and came out with flying colours. In terms of a sportsman: superb. In terms of a student: role model.”

Saka only completed his GCSE's two summers ago, achieving four A*s and three As, just six months before his Arsenal debut as a substitute in the Europa League tie with Vorskla Poltava.


He told the official Arsenal website : “I just enjoyed playing, but I don't think I ever really thought I was going to make it to the first team until I actually signed my first professional contract when I turned 17.

“You go through the youth teams, year by year, and you see all these great players around you - some of them could be the best in the year - and slowly they are all let go, to other clubs or even stopping completely," he added.

“So you could never be sure that you would make it, but what I said to myself is that I would always give my best in every single session. I always wanted to learn to get better, I always watched a lot of football to see how I could improve.

“We would look at each other and wonder who it would be. I was always determined for it to be me, and so I wanted to do whatever it took to achieve that.”

Wow!
Nice...
Thanks for the info bro

kokanepyramid:
na him NECO be that, his WAEC is still withheld.