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i no fancy that move from day one.. e just dey one kain considering wetin he don dey to for La Liga

do4luv14:
I just tire for the Coach, play person e no gree, why e come sign am for the first place then

I go like know first if he get Deutschland passport

Papi85:
🇳🇬 16-year old Nigerian left-back Richard Ajayi trained with Bayern Munich senior team for the first time ahead of Friday’s Bundesliga clash against Borussia Mönchengladbach.

that na if he go see your curse na

do4luv14:
I don't like insulting or calling people names Online

Buh Una see that Crystal Palace Coach, it shall never be well with him,,
Why sign a player if you are not going to use him, not even in cup games

lol. but not true for Japan. Abi na Olisadebe make Poland try that year?

Goke7:
not really about the quality of the countries but mhen we dey spread our seed everywhere so tey one naija mixed japanese become goal keeper for Japan. If a country like India want to become a big soccer nation, na to pack indian naija guys put for their national team!

make una no underate Scandanavian countries oh. They are one of the best places to live in the world.

modify
I just say make i check sharp sharp. this is the top 3 according to a source

Goke7:
😂 with the way we Dey born pikin everywhere? e shock you Abi

You go still see one naija guy play for Iran one day

too much kilishi

Kilishihunter:
We will not watch osimhen against only konyaspor after tonight

why not, if there was forged passport according to OGN

elyte89:
Jamaica 🇯🇲 in trouble 😎

make him tight him belt well well . Gone are those days where small performance now people go dey talk federal character to push his case. We already know what he can give to the SE. He can't give more than that. I use to canvass for him back in the days.. but now we have Akor and some more promising prospects.

lbrichman2:
Sometimes we even forget that Umar Sadiq is in La Liga
This life ehn..

Anyway, dude just scored a belter!!

sweet goal..
https://x.com/i/status/2023116169872290074

that na the koko.

yinkeys:
Will he play for Nigeria ?

if we win that petition I wonder how many we go fit grab

Goke7:
World Cup na your mate 😂

if e reach your turn do shakara

Future 3 Lions international

charlesemeka85:
⚪️⚫️ Juventus agree deal to sign Justin Oboavwoduo from Manchester City Academy.

2006 born talent joins after Ličina deal done with FC Bayern, one more for Juve initially with U23 project.

Blackburn have signed Dapo Afolayan from St Pauli

This is the deal I always wanted for him. So glad for the lad.

TheSuperNerd:
Ademola Lookman to Atletico Madrid loading fast!!!

Adefire🔥🔥 to La Liga!

Di Marzio says almost done. Lookman has said OK.

okay if you think FIFA will decide just by looking at the country's laws, let's wait. I pray you are right though

Mujtahida:
It's not a question for the country because others are now involved - Nigeria, FIFA.

The problem here is how FIFA looks at it. Government is separate from FIFA. So FIFA has to go on to verify, not just relying on the country's laws then assume fraud.

in cases of property laws etc everyone is operating on the same wavelength

Mujtahida:
You just dey play with words. Grasp analogies please. You are making the point that the fact that DRC issued them passport certifies their citizenship against all rebuttals. And I'm telling you that legally speaking it's not so.

I gave an analogy to say going by your argument the same thing would apply to proof anything just because a document - whatever the name, passport oo, certificate oo is given.

It's not about age. It's about prove. I can as well say draw the same analogy in respect of land, driver's license, birth certificate.

A document is prima facie evidence but once it is challenged, you have to provide more evidence. Abeg oo.

That is the question to the country o. By their laws they shouldn't be

Mujtahida:
Fix your eye on this: dual nationality = no nationality under Congolese law. How does issuance of a passport cure that?

The question you should be asking is: are those players dual citizens?

Age is universal. Citizenship is situational. if you say by your own laws they are not citizens and country said we approved their citizenship as a special case. there is no argument based on FIFA laws, as the country is the authority

Mujtahida:
Core issue is certificate and passport.

you get point sha. The question is are the players citizens of Congo DR? Is the passport a proof that the government of Congo DR gave them special, potentially irregular, citizenship status?

Mujtahida:
Oh jeez your misconception is too loud for me to ignore. Nothing concerns fifa with Congolese laws. Fifa is concerned with eligibility based on citizenship. At that point there's a meeting point between FIFA's laws and Congolese laws. In law, we call it conflict of laws and this plays out mainly in the domain of international law.

oga law, I just got online and see all your quotes. I no get power to answer each of them. But this analogy of MRI no be good one for this matter. make you look again for yourself

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Mujtahida:
This thing is a simple point. It's not about whether they have father, mother or grandparents or ancestors from Congo. Dual citizenship is the issue. Congolese law prohibits it. And then Nigeria alleges that Congo DR used players of dual citizenship and therefore used ineligible players.

Some people argue to say ooh but Congo DR issued them passports. But then just as the soccernittygritty guy analyzed by way of extending such an argument: Take MRI cases for example. Are we saying that just because MRI scan certificates are presented by a country, that suffices? Ought we not to confirm if indeed such players are within the age bracket?

By parity of reasoning, the fact that Congo DR issued them passport is of no moment. The crux of the matter is are these players dual citizens or not. If they are. They are not Congolese citizens and therefore not eligible to play for Congo.

We did not make the rules. They made it.

simple question, what was the administrative lapse?
Did FECOFA deceive FIFA?

Ultimately, the NFF's case rests on the interpretation of whether a state-issued passport that is seemingly valid on its face can be considered "fraudulent documentation". Else, forget it!

elyte89:
As she break am down reach , u still dey ask dis question,hope say ur career has nothing to do with human life ? 🙄

What administrative requirement? is it that of FIFA or on the national side? That is the koko.

mekabuachi:
Comprehension is your problem
I'll screenshot fifa rules on eligibility, so you understand better
But let me just explain it in a lay man term:
In fifa rules being from a country is not enough
Having ties to a country is not enough
Holding/submitting a passport to fifa is not enough
The rules state that before submitting a passport to fifa all administrative requirements of that country must have been fulfilled before submitting a passport
FIFA can withdraw clearance from a player to play to play from a country if the passport He submitted to fifa if found fraudulent.

Now to the congolese case:
What is the administrative requirements for one to get a passport?
You must hold one nationality, dual nationality is not allowed, clearly stated in there constitution (administrative requirements)
Holding another passport alongside the Congolese passport, makes you not even a citizen of that country (exceptions to 21 year olds)
You can't waive a constitution or apply it to a few
A constitution is binding, it can only be replaced or amended, and this process usually take time

What's Congolese law have to do with fifa rules now?
The administrative part, congo did not fulfill the administrative part of issuing the passports, to players who are dual nationals (as these Congolese players still hold other passports)
According to fifa that's fraudulent, looks like the passport were given to the players illegally without fulfilling all administrative processes.
FIFA is still binded to a countries law, fifa laws are not above a country laws.

If after all these explanations you don't understand, YOU NEED HELP🙂

prompting Gemini further

ruling in favor of Congo DR, does not make FIFA ignore it's own laws. I don't see any potential conflicts here.

Goke7:
See there’s nothing wrong fifa ruling in Congo favour but get ready to see players playing for multiple countries and this judgement if it goes Congo way will be the final loophole countries will start exploiting Shebi na to give passport and prove connection to the country.

FIFA's law is clear. Let's wait and see. I hope we win it, but doesn't look plausible.

mank1234:
Do you know why states drags FG to court over law interpretation? If it was as clear as you put, NFF wouldn't take the matter up.

FIFA will interpreted it's law and apply it accordingly. Let's wait for them.

you want FIFA to help Congo DR apply their own laws? FIFA won't do that

mekabuachi:
*There's nothing wrong with countries relaxing their laws to accommodate sportsmen*
Do you understand what a constitution is?

With the help of Gemini I have been analyzing our case for potential precedences

There is nothing wrong with countries relaxing their laws to accomodate sportsmen. That is a national matter. All FIFA wants to know is if you have legit document that proves you are a citizen and is cleared by that country. DR Congo has their minds fixated on the intercontinental play-offs

haha.. e don tey i call this thing out. That guy is a pseudo-intellectual

semid4lyfe:
Thank you. Verbose write-up from Solace . As usual, talking too much but saying nothing meaningful really.....

I wish Osimhen would just sent Oliseh a message, "You no see ya mate, Pape Thiaw?.. your own na to talk like parrot".

Odunayaw:
Ndidi: We settled it
Awaziem: We settled it
Lookman: We settled it
Osimhen: We settled it

Oliseh: It wasn't settled. It affected Lookman.

It's not ego, it's a superiority complex.

na FIFA law you dey quote or Congolese national law?

Modified
I am saying the players in question have a clear biological connection to the DR Congo, so your comment about countries just picking players from other countries and giving them passports does not apply here.

Modified 2
Okay I get your original comment now. But why will that be a problem if the players have strong biological connection to the countries?

AAA593:
Children born abroad to Congolese parents or grand parents who gain citizenship in their country of birth can retain it until age 21, after which they must choose one nationality. Those guys pass age 21 and Dem still be citizens of those countries o

But don't the DR Congo players also meet FIFA's eligibility in terms of country of origin. parent. grandparents link bla bla bla?

AAA593:
There are so many countries that don't accept dual citizenship and if FIFA decide to rule in favour of DRC Congo, it will cause problems in the future. Countries will start issuing passport to players they like not minding their constitutional requirements for citizenship. If I like you, I give you passport and FIFA go approve am sharp sharp

Comparing Malaysia precedent with that of Nigeria's ongoing petition (Gemini)