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PropertiesRe: What's Happening On The Lekki Axis 4? by johnie(op):
johnie:
Lagos issues ultimatum to owners of illegal structures in Lekki

Sunday, December 15, 2019 10:15 am | Metro

The Lagos State Environmental and Special Offences (Enforcement) Unit (Taskforce) over the weekend issued a 7-Day ‘Removal Order’ to “all owners/occupants of illegal structures, shanties, kiosks and containarised shops” at ‘Marwa Waterside’ area of Lekki in Lagos.

Speaking on the removal order, the Chairman of the Agency, CSP Olayinka Egbeyemi, disclosed that the ‘Removal Order’ became imperative in preparation for a road construction along the coastal road which would serve as an alternative route for the Lekki-Epe Expressway and enhance free flow of traffic in the corridor.

According to him, “Illegal business operators like Iron benders, Mechanics, food/fruits vendors and others have turned the area into an eye-sore. In addition, they have littered the entire area with indiscriminate dumping of refuse and waste materials. It is interesting to note that none of the owners, occupants and illegal business operators have any permit from the State Government”, a press release signed by Adebayo Taofiq, Head, Public Affairs Unit of Lagos State Task Force quoted Egbeyemi.

He reiterated that immediately after the expiration of the ‘Removal Order’ on Thursday, December 19, 2019 operatives of the Agency will embark on a “clean-up exercise in the area as well as clampdown on all criminal elements disturbing law-abiding residents within Marwa waterside and the entire Lekki axis.”

The Chairman also implored all illegal occupants of any of the government lands/properties across the state to immediately vacate same as anyone caught would be seriously dealt with in accordance with the law.

In a related development, operatives of the Agency have impounded 98 illegal commercial motorcyclists found plying restricted routes at Ikorodu and Agric Bus-Stop.

According to the Chairman “The Agency had issued several warnings to these illegal commercial motorcyclists through their various associations to desist from plying 475 restricted routes including highways and bridges across the State”.

CSP Egbeyemi confirmed that the combined efforts of the Agency with other Police formations as directed by the Lagos State Commissioner of Police CP Hakeem Odumosu would drastically reduce the menace of motorcycle operators on restricted routes across the state.

He however warned members of the public not to patronise illegal commercial motorcyclists on illegal routes as both the rider and passenger are liable if arrested.

https://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2019/12/15/lagos-issues-ultimatum-to-owners-of-illegal-structures-in-lekki/
Evacuation order: Lagos govt demolishes over 2,500 illegal structures in Lekki


Commenting on the demolition exercise, which commenced at the weekend, Chairman of the taskforce, Chief Superintendent of Police, CSP, Olayinka Egbeyemi, explained that the exercise became imperative in preparation for the construction of a coastal road which will serve as alternative route for the Lekki-Epe Expressway as well as enhance free flow of traffic in axis.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY5XPCHrlFA
PropertiesRe: What's Happening On The Lekki Axis 4? by johnie(op): 8:54am On Dec 28, 2019
naptu2:
I noticed it yesterday. They've had their equipment there for a while, but serious work began yesterday.
Compliments of the season, Naptu2!

All the best in 2020.
PropertiesRe: What's Happening On The Lekki Axis 4? by johnie(op): 8:50am On Dec 28, 2019
I can confirm that work on the 2nd roundabout has started with the dismantling of the giant billboard.

Up next should be Phase 1 (1st roundabout) and Abraham Adesanya.

These roundabouts constitute major choke points.

Solutions should also be found to traffic jam starting at Jakande in the morning as well as Igbo Efon and Ikate/Freedom Way junction in the evening
PropertiesRe: What's Happening On The Lekki Axis 4? by johnie(op): 8:44am On Dec 28, 2019
Gridlock: Lagos begins removal of four roundabouts

METRO AND CRIME
Published 20 hours ago on December 27, 2019
By Online Editor

RELATED TOPICS: * Allen Avenue, Maryland, Lekki, Ikotun affected

Muritala Ayinla

As part of the strategies to completely tackle gridlock across the metropolis, the Lagos State government has begun the removal of some roundabouts identified as the major causes of traffic gridlock frequently experienced by motorists.

New Telegraph learnt that the identified four roundabouts are: Ikotun, 2nd roundabout on the Lekki-Epe Expressway, Allen Avenue roundabout and Maryland. It was learnt that the roundabouts were responsible for the hindrances and traffic bottleneck experienced by the motorists in the areas.

With the removal, statues, giant billboards and other things located at the roundabouts will be removed while the structures is expected to wear a new looks to ensure the free flow of traffic.

Briefing journalists on the plans, the state’s Commissioner for Transportation, Dr Fredrick Oladinde described the decision as part of Mr. Babajide Sanwo-Olu’s committment to ensuring reduction in traffic congestion by resolving key gridlock points.

According to him, the government started off through discovery of 60 traffic gridlocks junctions and areas across the state.
He said: “We are gathered here this morning to discuss the update and progress report this Ministry has made in combating these traffic gridlocks.

Seven pilot schemes were unlocked, we progressed in the traffic management measures to 27 locations and now we are working on 4 major junctions by removing the roundabouts presently causing chaos during turning movements.”

He added that motorists encountered a lot of challenges during peak hours, saying that that the junction improvement would enhance free flow of vehicular movement when completed.
He added: “Sufficiently, the junction improvement work that is being conducted on the four roundabouts includes the following:

“Removal of roundabouts, separate streams of traffic through Traffic Signal Lights, (TSL) synchronize all TSLs through intelligent traffic systems which will recognise the densities of traffic streams and give priorities accordingly.

“Introduce stacking lanes for both left and right turns at these junctions which will also contribute to increasing the capacities of our roads at the junctions thereby reducing travel time.”

To address the traffic gridlock challenge when the junction improvement project is ongoing, he added that the government will upgrade alternative routes so that traffic can move upstream of choke points.

https://www.newtelegraphng.com/2019/12/gridlock-lagos-begins-removal-of-four-roundabouts/
PropertiesRe: What's Happening On The Lekki Axis 4? by johnie(op): 8:39am On Dec 28, 2019
Lagos to knock off more roundabouts on Lekki-Epe Expressway

by Joshua Bassey On Dec 27, 2019 Lekki Epe Expressway

More of the massive roundabouts on the Lekki-Epe Expressway Lagos, are to be removed in what aimed at further improving vehicular traffic flow on that corridor, BusinessDay has learnt.

Officials of the state ministry of transportation, led by the commissioner in charge of the ministry,

Frederic Oladeinde are said to be out to inspect the corridor, and identify how many more of the roundabouts will have to go.

It was learnt that apart from the roundabouts on Lekki-Epe Expressway, the Babajide Sanwo-Olu administration, is also considering knocking off similar structures on roads in other parts of the commercial city, based on expert advice from urban transportation consultants, who identified such roundabouts as contributing to the gridlock being experienced in Lagos.

BusinessDay gathered that about 27 of such structures had been identified across the state.
It would be recalled that the immediate past administration of Akinwunmi Ambode, was the first, in 2016 to remove some of roundabouts on the Lekki-Epe corridor.

Among the ones removed by the Ambode-led government were planned the 4th Roundabout (Elegushi); 5th Roundabout (Jakande) and the 8th Roundabout (VGC).

Anofi Elegushi, then acting commissioner for transportation under Ambode, had said: ”This administration is determined to reduce the stress experienced by motorists and residents on this road.

“The roundabouts were replaced with traffic lights, expansion of the roads and provision of dedicated turning lanes as well as additional lay-bys.

“This will surely decongest traffic in this area, even for commercial vehicles, the travel time will reduce and they will have enough turnaround by earning more.

Biodun Otunola, managing director of Planet Project Ltd, which handled the contract had observed: “Movement has been made easy for both motorists and the pedestrians.”

https://businessday.ng/news/article/lagos-to-knock-off-more-roundabouts-on-lekki-epe-expressway-2/
PoliticsRe: Do Politicians Defect In The USA? by johnie(op): 4:25am On Dec 20, 2019
I found this reaction to Van Drew's defection particularly hilarious:


"I've heard of rats jumping off a sinking ship, but very few of them jump onto a sinking ship," Representative Steve Cohen of Tennessee told CNN on Sunday. "Instead of having a congressman who's in the majority, and he gets something done for his district, they're going to have a congressman in the minority who can't get anything done. The lowest thing that there is in the Congress is somebody in the minority side who was a traitor to the majority."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeff-van-drew-new-jersey-congressman-to-switch-parties-and-become-a-republican-staff-members-resign/#x
PoliticsRe: Do Politicians Defect In The USA? by johnie(op): 3:07am On Dec 20, 2019
Typical comments about defection in Nigeria:


Enwhen:
Raymond Dokpesi don defect to the APC....


Hunger must give Nigerians sense oo
gidgiddy:
What APGA should do is give their ticket to a party loyalist, someone who has been with the party through thick and thin. Soludo is a well known defector who only ran to APGA when he lost out I'm PDP. This sort of man will win under APGA today and defect to another party tomorrow. If APGA should give the ticket of the only state they control to a known defector, that might be the end of APGA.
MASTERMIND04:
These politicians ehnnnn. Don't be surprised if you see him defect to APC in the next 3 years.
NOC1:
He thought that is NIgeria where you defect any how, he left his party for another party and lost.
Awoo88:
Oshiomole won use iyamu fight obaseki. The mumu sef no think before him begin defect
PoliticsRe: Do Politicians Defect In The USA? by johnie(op): 2:52am On Dec 20, 2019
Jeff Van Drew, House Democrat who opposed impeachment, will join Republican party

By Alex Rogers, Kevin Liptak and Jim Acosta, CNN

Updated 2147 GMT (0547 HKT) December 19, 2019
Former Democrat pledges 'undying support' to Trump


(CNN)President Donald Trump announced that Rep. Jeff Van Drew would join the Republican Party, a day after the New Jersey congressman and one other Democrat voted against both articles of impeachment.

Van Drew met with Trump, Vice President Mike Pence and House GOP Leader Kevin McCarthy at the White House on Thursday, but looked to have already made up his mind Wednesday night. He sat with Republicans before the historic vote, receiving handshakes and fist bumps from GOP members. He crossed his arms when House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff presented the Democratic case for impeachment. And he gave McCarthy's counter argument a standing ovation.

"I think they were very kind, very gracious, very nice, very supportive," said Van Drew about the Republican welcome on Wednesday night. "And I appreciated that."

Van Drew added that he thought Trump's chances of reelection "are going to be even higher" after the Senate acquits the President.
Democrats are moving quickly to keep the seat. Brigid Harrison, a political science professor at Montclair State University, announced on Monday that she would run and other Democrats are considering campaigns.

Lucinda Guinn, the executive director of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, released a memo on Thursday showing that Van Drew's own polling suggests he'll lose in November 2020.

Guinn also argued that Van Drew is vulnerable in a Republican primary against businessman David Richter, since he has voted against Trump about 90% of the time. The congressman has a 100% rating from the Planned Parenthood Action Fund and even endorsed New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker for president, who is now raising money for the eventual Democratic challenger. On Thursday, Van Drew pledged his "undying" support to Trump, and the President endorsed him.

"Republicans face a significant challenge holding onto New Jersey's Second Congressional District and Congressman Jefferson Van Drew's party switch does not improve their chances in November," wrote Guinn. "Beyond the vulnerabilities on display in his own internal polling, Van Drew's party switch has further weakened him as a candidate: he enters 2020 despised by Democrats, distrusted by Republicans, and likely viewed poorly by independents who watched him swap identities for political gain."

Rep. Tom Emmer, the National Republican Congressional Committee chairman, touted Van Drew's decision as "further proof" that the Democrats' impeachment of the President would flip the House next year. "This is now a Republican seat and we will fight tooth and nail to ensure it remains a Republican seat," said Emmer.

Van Drew has said that he's well positioned to keep his seat, claiming that about 70% of his district approves of him.

When asked on Wednesday if he had received any nasty comments from his Democratic colleagues, Van Drew said, "I'm sure there may be one or two that wanted to," but disputed that Democrats had turned their backs on him.

"We were walking back toward the elevator and somebody said 'gee, you must be the loneliest person in Washington right now,'" Van Drew said.

"The door opened up, two Democratic colleagues came out and gave me a hug."


https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/19/politics/jeff-van-drew-white-house/index.html
PoliticsDo Politicians Defect In The USA? by johnie(op):
One of the issues that dominates discussions from time to time on the Nigerian political landscape is defection.

When elections draw near, our politicians "cross the aisle" or "jump ship" , to put it lightly.

A classic example is that of Ize-Iyamu of PDP Edo who moved to APC ahead of the coming gubernatorial elections in the state.

He was the candidate of the PDP in the last election and is now being touted as the flag bearer of APC in the coming elections, ahead of incumbent APC governor, Godwin Obaseki.

It is widely believed that defections of this nature do not happen in mature democracies.

Well, it looks like Trump has trumped all that!
PoliticsRe: What's Happening On The Lagos Badagry Axis (2) by johnie(op): 6:31pm On Dec 15, 2019
Naptu2, thanks for keeping this thread and the Lekki one alive in my absence.
God bless you.
PropertiesRe: What's Happening On The Lekki Axis 4? by johnie(op): 6:23pm On Dec 15, 2019
Lagos issues ultimatum to owners of illegal structures in Lekki

Sunday, December 15, 2019 10:15 am | Metro

The Lagos State Environmental and Special Offences (Enforcement) Unit (Taskforce) over the weekend issued a 7-Day ‘Removal Order’ to “all owners/occupants of illegal structures, shanties, kiosks and containarised shops” at ‘Marwa Waterside’ area of Lekki in Lagos.

Speaking on the removal order, the Chairman of the Agency, CSP Olayinka Egbeyemi, disclosed that the ‘Removal Order’ became imperative in preparation for a road construction along the coastal road which would serve as an alternative route for the Lekki-Epe Expressway and enhance free flow of traffic in the corridor.

According to him, “Illegal business operators like Iron benders, Mechanics, food/fruits vendors and others have turned the area into an eye-sore. In addition, they have littered the entire area with indiscriminate dumping of refuse and waste materials. It is interesting to note that none of the owners, occupants and illegal business operators have any permit from the State Government”, a press release signed by Adebayo Taofiq, Head, Public Affairs Unit of Lagos State Task Force quoted Egbeyemi.

He reiterated that immediately after the expiration of the ‘Removal Order’ on Thursday, December 19, 2019 operatives of the Agency will embark on a “clean-up exercise in the area as well as clampdown on all criminal elements disturbing law-abiding residents within Marwa waterside and the entire Lekki axis.”

The Chairman also implored all illegal occupants of any of the government lands/properties across the state to immediately vacate same as anyone caught would be seriously dealt with in accordance with the law.

In a related development, operatives of the Agency have impounded 98 illegal commercial motorcyclists found plying restricted routes at Ikorodu and Agric Bus-Stop.

According to the Chairman “The Agency had issued several warnings to these illegal commercial motorcyclists through their various associations to desist from plying 475 restricted routes including highways and bridges across the State”.

CSP Egbeyemi confirmed that the combined efforts of the Agency with other Police formations as directed by the Lagos State Commissioner of Police CP Hakeem Odumosu would drastically reduce the menace of motorcycle operators on restricted routes across the state.

He however warned members of the public not to patronise illegal commercial motorcyclists on illegal routes as both the rider and passenger are liable if arrested.

https://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2019/12/15/lagos-issues-ultimatum-to-owners-of-illegal-structures-in-lekki/
PropertiesRe: Lagos Issues Ultimatum To Owners Of Illegal Structures In Lekki by johnie(op): 5:39pm On Dec 15, 2019
Naptu2, is the coastal road about to become a reality for real?
PropertiesLagos Issues Ultimatum To Owners Of Illegal Structures In Lekki by johnie(op): 5:38pm On Dec 15, 2019
Lagos issues ultimatum to owners of illegal structures in Lekki

Sunday, December 15, 2019 10:15 am | Metro

The Lagos State Environmental and Special Offences (Enforcement) Unit (Taskforce) over the weekend issued a 7-Day ‘Removal Order’ to “all owners/occupants of illegal structures, shanties, kiosks and containarised shops” at ‘Marwa Waterside’ area of Lekki in Lagos.

Speaking on the removal order, the Chairman of the Agency, CSP Olayinka Egbeyemi, disclosed that the ‘Removal Order’ became imperative in preparation for a road construction along the coastal road which would serve as an alternative route for the Lekki-Epe Expressway and enhance free flow of traffic in the corridor.

According to him, “Illegal business operators like Iron benders, Mechanics, food/fruits vendors and others have turned the area into an eye-sore. In addition, they have littered the entire area with indiscriminate dumping of refuse and waste materials. It is interesting to note that none of the owners, occupants and illegal business operators have any permit from the State Government”, a press release signed by Adebayo Taofiq, Head, Public Affairs Unit of Lagos State Task Force quoted Egbeyemi.

He reiterated that immediately after the expiration of the ‘Removal Order’ on Thursday, December 19, 2019 operatives of the Agency will embark on a “clean-up exercise in the area as well as clampdown on all criminal elements disturbing law-abiding residents within Marwa waterside and the entire Lekki axis.”

The Chairman also implored all illegal occupants of any of the government lands/properties across the state to immediately vacate same as anyone caught would be seriously dealt with in accordance with the law.

In a related development, operatives of the Agency have impounded 98 illegal commercial motorcyclists found plying restricted routes at Ikorodu and Agric Bus-Stop.

According to the Chairman “The Agency had issued several warnings to these illegal commercial motorcyclists through their various associations to desist from plying 475 restricted routes including highways and bridges across the State”.

CSP Egbeyemi confirmed that the combined efforts of the Agency with other Police formations as directed by the Lagos State Commissioner of Police CP Hakeem Odumosu would drastically reduce the menace of motorcycle operators on restricted routes across the state.

He however warned members of the public not to patronise illegal commercial motorcyclists on illegal routes as both the rider and passenger are liable if arrested.

https://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2019/12/15/lagos-issues-ultimatum-to-owners-of-illegal-structures-in-lekki/
PropertiesRe: Lagos To Relocate 400 Jakande Estate Residents by johnie: 8:20am On Nov 30, 2019
Interestingly, I discussed the highrise which replaced the Eti Osa LG secretariat at Glover with a number of people as we drove past the building just this past Tuesday.

There's silence about:
Falomo Shopping Complex
A parcel of land between the Federal registry and the old British Council

Watch those spaces, high-rises coming up!
PropertiesRe: Lagos To Relocate 400 Jakande Estate Residents by johnie: 8:13am On Nov 30, 2019
I totally agree with you.

Particularly point 2.

I remember Kuramo Beach was the main beach on the peninsula at a point in time.

I distinctly remember that the road leading up to the beach, which is currently a terrible eyesore, was lined with shops selling souvenirs to tourists.

The shops were mainly on the Jakande side.

The beach and the shops, over time, became home to brothels until it was demolished and the residents moved to Alpha Beach before recurring ocean surges chased them away.

I think it was at that point that they moved into Jakande.
PropertiesRe: Lagos To Relocate 400 Jakande Estate Residents by johnie:
naptu2:
The other thing that annoyed them was that Babangida visited Maroko a few months before the eviction. He commissioned the Peoples Bank at Maroko and at Ajegunle. At Maroko, he promised to develop the place for the residents and he said that he would send Governor Rasaki to the people. That's one of the things that angered them.
Poor Babangida!

The price you sometimes pay as a leader.

He must have meant well when he made the promise a few months before.

Explains why he could not support the demolition.

Good thing RSK admitted openly that he carried out the demolition without IBB's approval.

Chapter 8 of The Art of War says

"Sun Tzu said: In war, the general receives his commands from the sovereign, collects his army and concentrates his forces...


The general who thoroughly understands the advantages that accompany variation of tactics knows how to handle his troops...


There are roads which must not be followed, armies which must be not attacked, towns which must be besieged, positions which must not be contested, commands of the sovereign which must not be obeyed.""

RSK (the general) applied this.

He knew the command of the sovereign (IBB) to disobey and when (in IBB's absence).

For IBB not to sack him for such impudence speaks volumes!
PropertiesRe: Lagos To Relocate 400 Jakande Estate Residents by johnie: 6:58am On Nov 30, 2019
Hi Naptu2,

I took a sabbatical from Nairaland but had to chip in when I saw this thread.

I am wondering, just wondering.

Could this planned relocation (eviction) have anything to do with the recent attack on Circle Mall (ShopRite) during the recent xenophobia saga?

Without a doubt, that area had been a hot bed a number of times with hoodlums attacking travellers on the expressway from time to time.

I see a lot of similarities between the Maroko incident and this one.

1. Hoodlums from the community attack people on the main road.
2. Government says they would relocate them to save them from environmental hazards.

Hmm, just wondering.
BusinessRe: SEC Concludes Oando Investigation: Bars Group CEO For Five Years by johnie: 5:54am On Jun 01, 2019
Hmmm.

Kemi Adeosun, Gwarzo, SEC, Mangal, Abacha, Wale Tinubu, Unipetrol, AGIP, OANDO, Gaslink, ENYO, SevenEnergy, ConocoPhillips, Bola Tinubu, Buhari, APC, 2019, 2023.

hmmm...
CultureRe: Northern Names Vs Yoruba Names by johnie(op): 10:29am On Apr 27, 2019
The various movements (sects)

From the chart, names like Ismail, Ambali, Malik, Quadi and Tijani will be common among people who belong to those sects.

CultureRe: Northern Names Vs Yoruba Names by johnie(op): 10:19am On Apr 27, 2019
I found this interesting piece from which I will share some excerpts:

“Sufism is the mystical dimension of Islam based on the esoteric understanding of the Qu’ran.” The term Sufi derives from the Arabic word Sufi meaning wool such as garments woven from wool which were generally worn by early Muslim mystics knows as Sufis.

The Sufi orders first emerged when Sufi masters started to form brotherhoods around 1200 CE. Individual Sufi scholars contributed to the Islamization process of many African tribes in the West. Through this creation, Sufism became one of the major sources through which the Muslim philosophic thought is gleaned.

The goal of each Sufi is to emulate their Saint to show their level of commitment and to observe the same rituals, practices, rites and obligations as their Saint did, to gain enlightenment and to get to know their maker better.


Sufism is represented primarily in Northern Nigeria. Muslims in Nigeria can be divided into two groups: Sunni and Shia. Under the Sunni division comes: Sufi, Wahhabi, and the Muslim Brotherhood.


This leads to the two brotherhoods in Sufism: Qadiriyya and Tijaniyya, which emerged in Ilorin, Nigeria, that encompass a rich array of traditions, practices and beliefs that form a distinct stream of thoughts in Sunni Islam.

The Qadiriyya order, founded by Sheikh Abdul-Qadir Gilani, spread throughout Northern Nigeria after Usman dan Folio, who led a revolution against Pagan leaders, adopted this order. It became an ideology and a practical way to implement political change and reform.

Qadiriyya has programs built around education such as a nursery, primary and secondary schools, and a college that is accredited to award diplomas. All classes are co-educational which is unusual in Northern Nigeria.

Similarly, the Tijaniyya brotherhood teaches children and youth of all ages and also helps adults learn to read, write and study the Qu’ran.

Qadiriyya and Tijaniyya continue to finance and a run a range of religious and social programs that have the effect of preventing men, women and children from turning to these radical factions that pose a serious threat to Nigeria and surrounding countries.


Qadiriyya and Tijaniyya are able to do this in Northern Nigeria because of the widespread respect they have come to command over the past two centuries. In addition, their links to the Sokoto Caliphate (which claimed descendance from Prophet Muhammad) have provided them with legitimacy in more ways than one.


However, there is one issue that Sufism in Nigeria cannot seem to combat despite their various contribution of services. How can these brotherhoods still assist those that do not want to pick a side but still expect full access to their services?

https://navigatingnigeria./2015/04/06/sufism-in-nigeria/

MY COMMENTS

From the excerpts above, we can see why Ilorin and by extension the western parts of the Middle Belt and northern parts of the South West seems to have a distinct trait which we can trace to the sects which emerged there.

This supports my earlier assertion that the middle belt (now read that as the Ilorin axis) should be viewed as distinct from the Yoruba or northern sections.

Those outside the Tijanniya, Quadriyya and Wahhabi movements will definitely not name their children Tijani, Quadri (or kadri/ kadiri) or Wahab, respectively the names of the founders of the Tijaniyya, Quadriyya and Wahhabi movements.

The same logic applies to other names associated with each of these sects.
CultureRe: Northern Names Vs Yoruba Names by johnie(op): 9:34am On Apr 27, 2019
ReysonDrabek:
You should also known that among sunnnis, the name "abubakar" is less prevalent among sufis and more prevalent among the izalas. I said less common, not completely absent. Sufis prefer the usage of the names of prophets. Among sects in islam various groups have certain tendencies as far as names are conerned.
Finally!

We are getting to the bottom of this.

Thank you labani06 and ReysonDrabek!
EducationRe: Covenant University Producing Many Atheists - Students by johnie: 11:50pm On Apr 26, 2019
Please, help me understand.

Are they complaining about the discipline being imposed on them or the religion being imposed on them?
CultureRe: Northern Names Vs Yoruba Names by johnie(op): 9:02pm On Apr 26, 2019
MetaPhysical:
Add to the christian name list..
Israel - Asarailu.

There many Yoruba lores that have not been told and anyone qith scholarship can make good money telling these cultural stories.
Did I have a conversation with you once in which you pointed out to me that Yoruba is a script language and not an alphabet one?

I had raised the question of why Ifa has not been written down in text form for people to read like the Bible or Quoran.

Then you pointed out that Yoruba was originally a script language.

I found that discussion enlightening.
PoliticsRe: Kunle Adeyemi - A Very Successful Nigerian by johnie:
Too bad this bridge is yet to get off the drawing board.


Sanwo-Olu: Fourth Mainland Bridge Not Our Priority

Olaseni Durojaiye

Concerned with the seeming slow pace at which some critical road projects are being executed in Lagos State, the governorship candidate of All Progressive Congress (APC), Mr. Babajide Sanwo-Olu has said the construction of Fourth Mainland Bridge would not his priority if elected.

He said this while fielding questions from respondents on radio programme recently, assuring Lagos residents of their commitment to ensure early completion of the Lagos-Badagry expressway.

Sanwo-Olu, who was represented by his running mate, Dr. Obafemi Hamzat, emphasised the need to ensure the completion of ongoing critical road projects that included the Lagos Badagry expressway

According to him, both Badagry and Lekki-Epe expressways are so critical to the economy of Lagos, that no effort must be spared to ensure their early completion. To this end, issue of the proposed 4th Mainland Bridge may be delayed.


Specifically, the governorship candidate explained that the ongoing 60-kilometre Lagos-Badagry expressway project being executed by the state government should be completed as early as possible.

He noted that the project “has two major intermodal transport schemes namely; the Lagos-Badagry Expressway and the Light Rail Mass Transit with their accompanying infrastructure- 10 lanes superhighway taking off from Eric Moore interchange and traverses westward through Orile Iganmu, Alaba Oro, Mile 2, Festac, Agboju, Iyana Iba, Okokomaiko, Iyana Era, Ijanikin, Agbara, Ibereko and terminated at Badagry.

“The goal is to connect Lagos with the ECOWAS countries. The initiative would no doubt, enhances the commercial and other business activities between the affected neighbouring countries.”

Besides, he acknowledged the importance of Lekki-Epe Expressway, which he said would be expanded and reconstructed, especially, from where it stopped now to the Lekki Free Trade Zone (LFTZ) in Akodo.


https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2019/01/13/sanwo-olu-fourth-mainland-bridge-not-our-priority/?amp
CultureRe: Northern Names Vs Yoruba Names by johnie(op): 8:49pm On Apr 26, 2019
MetaPhysical:
Thanks OP.

This is all I can offer you on the subject. I know someone that could have helped but I learnt he travelled to remote area. Give shout to imperial Yoruba and see if he has idea.

This might surprise you but there are many Yoruba names that are hard to tell who the original owner is.
Abubakar - Bakare. (Bukar in Kanuri)
Badhmus - Badamosi or Gbadamosi
Al Amin - Lamina
Dawud - Dawuda
Al Awiy - Alawiye
Mustafa - Tafa
Adam - Adamo

Abubakar is actually Abubakar Sadiq. Yoruba call it Abu Sondoko.

In christianity
Peter - Apata
Gabriel - Gebu
Solomon - Salome
Thank you so much!
CultureRe: Northern Names Vs Yoruba Names by johnie(op): 8:47pm On Apr 26, 2019
ReysonDrabek:
Only reason i can think of for a hausa muslim not going to a yoruba mosque is most yorubas are salafs and most hausas are sunni muslims and staunch sunnis avoid salaf mosques even in the north. Other wise this whole idea that we see yorubas as inferior muslims is a myth. Yes maybe a good percentage of yorubas arent as devout as northern muslims and you may even meet some that visit both mosques and churches but that doesnt disqualify yoruba muslims as a whole as they are sometimes even more religious than northern muslims. Anyone who discriminates mosques based on ethnicity is on his own.

The salaf sunni divide is why you rarely find many yorubas named after Abubakar or any of the caliphs and companions.

As for differences in names, yes northerners tend to stick to the original pronunciations but even then the names arent perfect in many instances, like Adam in arabic is Adamu in hausa. But these deviations are less noticeable because hausa and arabic belong to the same language family.
Thank you very much for your contribution.

You might just have hit the real reason why some name a not given in some sections of the country- the various sects those sections belong to.

I had guessed it had to be a denominational thing like the Roman Catholic-Protestant thing but wasn't sure.

If a name is closely associated with a particular sect, faithfuls belonging to other sects will not give their children those names.

I will conduct some more research on the subject and give an update here.

I also appreciate your thoughts on the issue of Yoruba muslims not worshipping in northern mosques and vice versa.

This can also be situated in the different denominations (or movements) that founded the mosques and not because the northerners are superior to the Yorubss or vice versa.

Obviously a northern Muslim of one denomination will eagerly worship in a Yoruba mosque founded by the movement he belongs to and vice versa.

And then, there are people like you (who I place at a higher pedestal) who do not allow the divisions to affect your worship.

Unfortunately, many are deceived into believing that others are inferior to themselves. These unfortunate ones do not bother to educate themselves to discover that the bigotry they are fed and wallow in is nothing but a device to control people.

Once again, thanks!
CultureRe: Northern Names Vs Yoruba Names by johnie(op): 3:55pm On Apr 26, 2019
MetaPhysical:
Yoruba language is tonal (melodious), names that are naturally dis-toned are adapted and then toned. This is where the difference largely come from. Because our language is tonal we also look for name rhymes.

Traditionally Yoruba bear names denoting divine cause (amu t'Orunwa) + individual personality (oriki) + circumstance in delivery (abiso) + family pedigree (ebi). Then as a Yoruba child grows his/her physicality will result also in an alias name.

Example-
Divine caused - Ogunmuyiwa
Personality - Aremu
Circumstance - Ojo
Family - Ogunjobi
Alias - Aguntasolo or Ejiwunmi.


For the individual in this example all the names are tonal but Aremu....or even Aremu Ojo is far more rhythmic that say Ogunmuyiwa. Therefore[b] by the time he is in late teens Aremu Ojo would likely have stuck on him than any other in the list. [/b]

Yoruba apply this same structure and sense to foreign names.

In the example above the traditional divine cause are being replaced with foreign names such Mohammed, Salam, Michael, Samuel, Aisha, Deborah...

So now remove Ogunmuyiwa from the above example and insert Abubakar or David.

Yoruba are likely to frame it to Aremu Abu and David Ojo respectively.


Sometimes if the divine caused would sound better behind the oriki we will reorder it to fit...as long its rhythym on the tongue is smooth, we dont mind that the name sequence loose their order of priority.

Bola Ahmed, Tunde Rahman...

Female names are treated somewhat differently. Their names are naturally toned and rhythmic.

Halimatu Saadia, Hauwa nanatu.....Yoruba can treat female names like the male ones I gave above. Sariu Abebi, Nimota Akanke, Moriamu Amope.
Wow!

Thanks.

I found your contribution on as as name toning particularly enlightening.

Name toning explains why a lot of names end with vowels

e.g. Abibu (Habeeb), Moshoodi, (Masoud), Halimatu (Halimat), Samueli(Samuel), Dafidi (David), Jakobu (Jacob/James) etc.

The toning of the Muslim names also explains what has now become known as the H-factor among some Yorubas.

I suppose those who attended Arsbic schools before going to western schools and their subsequent pupils are likely to exhibit the H-factor.

The H-factor is when people add an 'h' before English words where they shouldn't. If you have heard Falz speak as the bad guy, you will 'hunderstand' this.

Your contribution on name breakdown was also helpful:

divine cause (amu t'Orunwa)
individual personality (oriki)
circumstance in delivery (abiso)
family pedigree (ebi).
alias name

Now, I understand something I have tried to find a solid explanation for for a king time - why names like

Haruna Ishola,
Batile Alake,
Kollington Ayinla,
Wasiu Ayinde Barrister,
Sikiru Ayinde Barrister,
Abass Akande Obesere
Salawa Abeni,
Wasiu Alabi Pasuma,
Sule Alao Malaika,
Sefiu Alao

all sound so melodious.

However, I think this applies mainly to Muslims.

If you drew a list of Christian's from the same setting (e.g. juju musicians who are/were mainly christians), you would find that this rule will not hold true.

These Chrirtians have oriki names but didn't/don't use them. Even their Christian names or stylized or completely dropped. Instead, they'd use titles such as Emperor, King, Commander, Sir, etc.

It was this style of using titles that later Fuji musicians like the barristers, pasuma, obesere, malaika picked up.

Traditionally, like you rightly pointed out, people are given a series of names but there is a set that sticks as they grow up.

Too bad we are losing a lot of this culture.


MetaPhysical:
I dont know if this answered your question but hope it advances the thought a bit towards the goal.
Your contribution is very enlightening. It however still begs the question.

Why is it that some names are common in a section of the country but not in others, even though they are from the same religion practised in all those sections?
CultureRe: Northern Names Vs Yoruba Names by johnie(op): 12:40pm On Apr 26, 2019
Already. I am seeing some very Interesting stuff-
Islam first came to Yorubalsnd through itinerant Malian traders (Wangara Traders) around the 14th century.hence Islam in Ancient Yoruba is referred to as Esin Imale (religion of the malians). This was during the reign of the great Mansa Kankan Musa of the Mali Empire, the richest man in history.

Large-scale conversion to Islam happened in the 17th century.

The first Mosque was reportedly built in Ọyọ-Ile in AD 1550 although, there were no Yoruba Muslims, the Mosque only served the spiritual needs of foreign Muslims living in
Ọyọ.

Iwo town got the first indigenous Mosque built in 1655 followed by Iṣẹyin, in 1760; Lagos, 1774; Ṣaki, 1790; and Oṣogbo, 1889.

Islam later spread to other towns like Oyo,, Ibadan, Abẹokuta, Ijẹbu-Ode, Ikirun, and Ẹdẹ.

All these before the 19th-century Usman Dan Fodio jihad.
CultureRe: Northern Names Vs Yoruba Names by johnie(op): 12:24pm On Apr 26, 2019
I just came across information about a renowned Islamic scholar who is Yoruba and interestingly bears both Abu (which I presume is a short form of Abubakar) and Abdullah as first names - Sheikh Abu-Abdullah Adelabu.

Adelabu studied Arabic and Islamic Studies in
Damascus, Syria , and acquired a Postgraduate Diploma, Master's degree, and Ph.D.

He was a researcher in Arabic and Islamic Studies in Oxford , Cambridge and London in the late 1990s. A scholar of Islamic and Arabic Studies as well as a linguist, jurist and lecturer.

His academic works and publications include an Arabic English Dictionary, an encyclopedic Dictionary of the Quran and Sunnah, Islam in Africa - West African in Particular, and Missionary and Colonization in Africa.

I will go through some of his works and see if I will find answers there, particularly his works on Islam in Africa and Missionary and Colonisation in Africa.
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CultureRe: Northern Names Vs Yoruba Names by johnie(op): 9:39am On Apr 26, 2019
I think I should expatriate on this so folks get a better understanding of my question.

Names like Callistus, Romanus, Alphonsus and Linus are 'Christian' names common in the south east.

Hardly would you find these names among Yoruba Christians.

The simple explanation I have for this is that these names are 'Roman Catholic.'

Yet, there are Roman Catholic names like Anthony, Christopher, Clement, etc that are also common among Yoruba Roman Catholics while the former ones are very rare among Yoruba Roman Catholics.

In the same way, the Muslim names I mentioned above are common among northerners but not among Yorubas and vice versa.
CultureRe: Northern Names Vs Yoruba Names by johnie(op): 9:30am On Apr 26, 2019
moshuur:
Am a Muslim, a yoruba ,living in Yoruba land and am telling u dat we bear names like Abdullah etc.If u doubt am,na ur own 'Issue' be that
I don't doubt that some very few do.

U am just wondering why those names are not common.

Adbulalli for instance, would be Abudu.

But not many bear that as a first name compared to moshood, saheed, wasiu, etc.

Thanks

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