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sonmvayina:
God is omnipresent meaning God is everywhere..
And I am in Benin which is part of the everywhere..
So it is safe to say I am in God and God is in me...
Just simple ..isn't it.
But your walnut brain can not comprehend it..
Not my fault now, is it?

your saying that; "God is in people because God is omnipresent", makes sense
but you saying that: "people are in God because God is omnipresent", doesn't make sense

people are not omnipresent, you will never have the courage to admit you are wrong:

rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

sonmvayina:
A simple Google check will show you that the gospel began life with no name or signature of the author. Those names where added by the Catholic Church, just to pass it off as authentic and deceive people like you...
I did not fall for it...

more nonsense from your head,
when are you going to show from the Bible that things i have said are wrong?

Isa_32:6  For a fool speaks nonsense,

sonmvayina:
There is none at all..
He is a product of theology not history. Just like Perseus of clash of the Titans...
All allegories...
Read it and learn the messages in them, not for you to start worshipping the characters in it...

even the less educated see and read history of Jesus Christ,
but you just keep repeating your nonsense and lies, of course, that's what satan's mob do,
and you have nothing other than your nonsense and lies, do you:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

sonmvayina:
I am waiting..

and when it comes your replies will be just more nonsense and rot, won't they,
you cannot honestly refute anything at all from the Bible, can you dum dum

1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father

Rev_20:15  And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire

sonmvayina:
I have seen your problem.
It is compression.
You lack comprehension skills..
Don't worry. When you grow up, you will learn and understand.

talk about no understanding, and you have fearfully run away from your ridiculous statement,
that people are in God because God is omnipresent:

rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

sonmvayina:
everybody knows the gospels was written by unknown people...
And you want me to base my life on that. Why?

you are one of those antichrists that cannot stop lying
billions of Christians know who wrote the books of the Bible

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

sonmvayina:
I don't see any thing you wrote that is worth 50 kobo...
Try, keep trying.

i showed that you are dum way beyond belief, claiming that no history exist of Jesus Christ:

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them

sonmvayina:
I am waiting all these are just your opinion.

not just my opinion but the opinion of billions of Christians, such a dummy


sonmvayina

https://www.theguardian..com
What do Christian writings tell us?

The value of this evidence is that it is both early and detailed. The first Christian writings to talk about Jesus are the epistles of St Paul, and scholars agree that the earliest of these letters were written within 25 years of Jesus’s death at the very latest, while the detailed biographical accounts of Jesus in the New Testament gospels date from around 40 years after he died. These all appeared within the lifetimes of numerous eyewitnesses, and provide descriptions that comport with the culture and geography of first-century Palestine. It is also difficult to imagine why Christian writers would invent such a thoroughly Jewish saviour figure in a time and place – under the aegis of the Roman empire – where there was strong suspicion of Judaism.

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sonmvayina:
I thought you wanted to show me Jesus in the old testament..
Show me and I will come to your side.
But, we have checked...he never existed. He was a made up character just like iron man or Harry Potter....
You want him to exist so bad......but history is silence on him....

history is not silent on Jesus Christ oh most dum know nothing

i will post from this article below over the next few days, and
then you can ask me for some actual articles on the history of
Jesus Christ and i will give you links for you to read them, or
i will post them here over days or weeks

not to help you satan's mob (which i don't do), but to put you in
your place

https://www.theguardian..com

What is the historical evidence that Jesus Christ lived and died?
Today some claim that Jesus is just an idea, rather than a real historical figure, but there is a good deal of written evidence for his existence 2,000 years ago

How confident can we be that Jesus Christ actually lived?
The historical evidence for Jesus of Nazareth is both long-established and widespread. Within a few decades of his supposed lifetime, he is mentioned by Jewish and Roman historians, as well as by dozens of Christian writings. Compare that with, for example, King Arthur, who supposedly lived around AD500. The major historical source for events of that time does not even mention Arthur, and he is first referred to 300 or 400 years after he is supposed to have lived. The evidence for Jesus is not limited to later folklore, as are accounts of Arthur.

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sonmvayina:
I thought you wanted to show me Jesus in the old testament..
Show me and I will come to your side.
But, we have checked...he never existed. He was a made up character just like iron man or Harry Potter....
You want him to exist so bad......but history is silence on him....

slowpoke, you don't believe the writings about Christ from people off His time and after,
and like the true dum dum that you are, you even deny that there is any history on Jesus Chrtist, < your god has blinded all you dum dum's

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them

you don't believe the history on Christ, and even deny that there is any,
but you ask for writings about Him from before He was born

2Ti 4:3  For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, 
2Ti 4:4  and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.

sonmvayina:
I thought you wanted to show me Jesus in the old testament..
Show me and I will come to your side.
But, we have checked...he never existed. He was a made up character just like iron man or Harry Potter....
You want him to exist so bad......but history is silence on him....

liar:

matthew, mark, luke, john, paul, etc. and many others since wrote about Him:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

sonmvayina:
God is everywhere...and we are inside the everywhere.......
So. God is in us, we are inside God.....so we are part of God.
It does not make any sense for God to send part of itself to hell. Does it??
Got it now

so dum, God is omnipresent so can be in people

but you said earlier that:

sonmvayina: we are in God since God is omnipresent

God being omnipresent doesn't mean we are in God
we are not omnipresent

and you can't even see your confusion:

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them

^^ see how that verse is talking off you

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

sonmvayina:
I thought you wanted to show me Jesus in the old testament..
Show me and I will come to your side.
But, we have checked...he never existed. He was a made up character just like iron man or Harry Potter....
You want him to exist so bad......but history is silence on him....

dummy. i don't chat with you satans mob or give you pearls
except to show up your lies and confusion

i showed you have a demon,

sonmvayina: Jesus that we have been using to wipe our asses here

and in the other post
i showed how dum and confused you are

sonmvayina: And we are in God since God is omnipresent..

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the
Rev_20:15  And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire

sonmvayina:
We are the holy Spirit...
We are part of God and
God is part of us...
And we are in God since God is omnipresent..

oh duh dum dum

God is omnipresent so it could be said that God is in us
but we are not omnipresent, so it can't be said that; "we are in God because God is omnipresent"

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

this thread was called:
"Study the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses"


100,000 christians are killed each year for their faith

and i ukranian so called Jehovah's witness is arrested for refusing to join the ukranian army,
wow you people are really persecuted



The Center for the Study of Global Christianity (CSGC) at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary in Massachusetts estimates that more than 100,000 Christians are killed each year due to their faith. The Vatican has also called this number credible.

Some countries where Christians are persecuted include:

Burma, China, Eritrea, India, Iran, Nigeria, North Korea, Pakistan, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Vietnam.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk

sonmvayina:
It is your business..at least I have told you...
When you grow up, you will understand..
Milk for babies
Meat for adults...

and slops for fools

u r a deluded Christ hating fool

sonmvayina: Jesus that we have been using to wipe our asses here

Isa_32:6  For a fool speaks nonsense,
Rev_20:15  And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire

gohf:
is that all

here's a bit more

gohf confused like the devil:
1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

gohf false accuser like the devil:
Rev_12:10  Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night.

gohf liar like the devil:
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

gohf fearful like the devil:
rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

gohf:
look, I am not reading the bunch of nonsense you wrote up there, I can't even do so 😁 but kindly show us WHERE I said WAS is not correct grammar 😊 since this is the basis of your rant

ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool


dum gohf, of course you call the truth i posted: "nonsense"

but here is some of "your" nonsense for you: you implied that "WAS" should not be in john 1:1 and "is" should be

gohf: 🤣
Funny how John 1:1 WAS God and not is 😁

and then after much ranting and arguing from you, you say:

gohf: 😁
kindly show us WHERE I said WAS is not correct grammar 😊

oh duh dum dum, you implied that "WAS" should not be in john 1:1 and "is" should be,
i showed how "was" is correct grammar, and you ranted and argued until you realised i am right, and then you started to change the subject
because you are weak and couldn't admit you are wrong:
rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.


and u r such a confused liar, aren't you:
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints


and buy the way puffed up egoistical gohf, i am posting to you, not to many,
do you think you have a lot of supporters behind you:

gohf: kindly show "US"

gohf, God is not the author of your confusion, your lies, your false accusing, your deceiving, your cowardice, etc. - satan is

sonmvayina:
We are the holy Spirit...
We are part of God and
God is part of us...
And we are in God since God is omnipresent..

weirdo, the closest you are to spirit is: "you have a demon"

sonmvayina: Jesus that we have been using to wipe our asses here

Rev_20:15  And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire

gohf:
look, I am not reading the bunch of nonsense you wrote up there, I can't even do so 😁 but kindly show us WHERE I said WAS is not correct grammar 😊 since this is the basis of your rant

ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool


gohf, you implied that "was" is wrong word for john 1:1 and that it should be "is"

gohf: 🤣
Funny how John 1:1 WAS God and not is 😁

so fearful gohf, i ask you again:

show how "was" is not correct grammar for john 1:1

rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

gohf:
trying to understand grammar is for when it suits the lies you sporut even going ahead as to mix things up

false accuser, quote the lies i sprouted:
Rev_12:10  Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night.

gohf: I didn't mix anything you did, so change that you to an I for yourself

so dum and such a liar, aren't you:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

gohf: Here's what you wrote"past tense is not present tense:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning (past tense) was "is" the Word (present tense),
and the Word was with God (past tense), and the Word was "is" God (present tense)."

confused deceiver, yes, this time you have said what i wrote, which is not what you said last time:

Take your present tense example for instance
Joh 1:1 In the beginning is the Word
and the Word is with God and the Word is God.

you are forever confused, aren't you:
1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

gohf: only in your head and those who believes the lie of the devil that you believe Theos is the Word

know nothing, of course the Word is Theos/God:
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God (Theos).

gohf: look at you patheticly deceiving yourself that I ranaway from the subject you are clearing quoting my answer, are you not confused like this. "I should show that was is not correct" did I tell you that "was" is not correct. What kind of confused human is this for Christ sakes, were you not the one mentioning "is" and "will be" going on about past present and future, all in your attempt to show that the Word is God and not the Word was God

talk about pathetic, and deceiving, and confused, and a runaway coward, you certainly are,
go and read the posts again, but try and understand them if possible, which it now seems you cannot,
you have not shown "was" as being wrong grammar, even most dummies can see that "was" is correct grammar for john 1:1
John 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

the devil has blinded you:
2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them

gohf: Here's what you wrote
"past tense is not present tense:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning (past tense) was "is" the Word (present tense),
and the Word was with God (past tense), and the Word was "is" God (present tense)."

confused one, you already said that, and you don't understand that i am showing how a present tense word is not proper grammar
for a event of the past
just like i showed how a future tense word is not proper grammar for a event of the past:

past tense is not future tense:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning (past tense) was "will be" the Word (future tense),
and the Word was with God (past tense), and the Word was "will be" God (future tense).

however of course you again will not understand

past tense is past tense:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning (past tense) was the Word (past tense),
and the Word was with God (past tense), and the Word was God (past tense). ---- < correct grammar

gohf: In the beginning was the word and the word was with 'ton Theon' and 'Theos' was the word

yes, and what are you trying to say,

gohf: According to you people's misinterpretion because you don't know the difference between an accusative noun and a normative noun,.... you can even say "God was the word"

confused one, i have asked you to quote my misinterpretations and you couldn't oh lie lie
and i have also put you straight concerning accusative and normative nouns
but you cannot stop being a deceiver like the devil, can you

gohf: Where is the false accusation,

fraud, u referred to my misinterpretations etc. etc. but cannot post the quotes, oh false accuser like the devil

gohf: don't you believe that Jesus is God because the word was God something you are still stating yet you call it a false accusation. Or are you denying yourself in your confusion

my posts are not about whether Jesus is God or not, you are just continuing to
fearfully run away from the topic: "'was' in john 1:1 is correct grammar"

gohf: Quoting Rev 12:10 shows that you are a brood of viper, the very verses already states the truth, the kingdom of God and the authority of HIS Christ. Jesus belongs to God, he is HIS word and not God the son or God the word or whatever nonsense you twist revelation and truth to be.

cannot stop lying one, rev 12:10 i showed how you are a a false accuser like the devil
lying one, quote where i called Jesus "God the Son" and where i said "God the Word"
i know i have said "the Word of God" and i know i have said; "and the Word was God", just as the Bible says
of course you cannot post quotes, but hell you can lie:
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

gohf: Your own words accuse you, defile you and condemn you before God.

do quote those words that accuse and defile and condemn me before God, won't you

gohf: This is what I wrote: Funny how John 1:1 WAS God and not is 😁

yes, you imply that "was" is wrong and that it should be "is"
i said "was" is correct grammar, and i have asked you many times to show how "was" is not correct grammar, and of course you cannot,
and you keep running away to other subjects that have nothing to do with; "'was' is correct grammar for john 1:1"

gohf: And This is the nonsense you wrote as part of your response
"past tense is not present tense:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning (past tense) was "is" the Word (present tense),
and the Word was with God (past tense), and the Word was "is" God (present tense)."

truly, past tense is not present tense, and i have explained it more than once, but you are very confused
very dum one, the correct grammar for john 1:1: "in the beginning" (past tense) should be followed with; "was the Word" (past tense)
"and the Word was with God" (past tense) should be followed with; "and the Word was God" (past tense)
however it's obvious that you will never understand

gohf: You jumped into a conversation without understanding, I responded to you and in your foolishness, believing in your heart there is no one true God.

talk about not understanding and foolishness,
and i certainly do believe in The One True God
you are a habitual liar and false accuser like the devil, aren't you:
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Rev_12:10  Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night.

gohf: This is what you wrote
past tense is not present tense:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning (past tense) was "is" the Word (present tense),
and the Word was with God (past tense), and the Word was "is" God (present tense).

you have repeated that often and i have explained it to you very clearly:
1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

gohf: Look being a liar and bringing our verses that show you to be a lie, and even verses that condemned you for your lies, shows that you don't and won't have an excuse. You want to win a debate at the expense of your own soul.

oh duh such a liar, i haven't been looking for a debate, of course you have
i just asked one simple question which you won't answer because you are wrong, and your ego won't let you
with you it's; "ego before truth"
the one question which is all i want,is: "show that "was" in john 1:1 is not correct grammar"

gohf: My purpose is to show solely from God's word that God never lied, He is God alone and Jesus is His Son.

so dum, of course God never lied, of course YHVH is the One True God, of course Jesus is the Son of God
you are always talking about things other than the subject that i started ("was" is correct grammar for john 1:1)
you are forever running away:
rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.
When the devil used the Nicene creed to corrupt and fight the church, Christ Jesus knew before hand and sent his letters and warnings to the church.

gohf: Whether you believe Jesus is God because the word was God shows you are ignorant of God's word. And then trying to use English even further showed your ignorance. Leaving Greek aside.

the Word is Spirit, Jesus is flesh,
quote where i said; "Jesus is God", oh one who cannot stop lying like the devil

and the New Testament pertains to Jesus as "God" in places, but that's not the subject i bought to you,
of course all of these your subjects are to run away from the so simple subject; "'was' is correct grammar in john 1:1"
you are continually running away, oh fearful one

gohf: You believe John wrote the word WAS God, but then who IS he Jesus, the word of God, he is the son of the living God and not God the son.

once again as dum as they come one, quote where i said Jesus is; "God the Son"

gohf: God is not a title He is YHVH.

if you are talking off the word "God", then it is a title, but i'm alright with the word "God" being a name as well
if you are talking off the Being "God", then of cause HE is not a title, HE is the Supreme Being
and YHVH is the Tetragrammaton of His Hebrew Name
and of course you are running away from the real subject, even til the very end




you liars have to keep lying to support your lies already said


gohf: try and be a man and show how: "was" in john 1:1 is not correct grammar

gohf:
What are you even saying

It's very clear and straight forward what I said

gohf: When I point out from John 8:58 that the term eimi used there in Greek means I exist or have been
So Jesus existed before Abraham was born, how many of them accept that interpretation, even you do you? but no, every I am is YHVH

my post was not about john 8:58 or "I am"
and john 8:58 doesn't show "was" to be wrong @ john 1:1

gohf: Joh 1:1  In the beginning (past tense) was the Word (past tense),
and the Word was with God (past tense), and the Word was God (past tense). ---- < correct grammar
It's actually wrong if you believe Jesus is God,

again, my post was not about; - if Jesus is God or not,
but about; - "was" being correct grammar for john 1:1

gohf: it should have been
Modified: John 1:1  In the beginning (past tense) was the Word (past tense),
and the Word was with God (past tense), and the Word is God (present tense). ---- < correct grammar

so you mix past tense with present.
as I already said; that's ok with me,
and the word; "was" is proper grammar for john 1:1
show how it is not

gohf: Infact the way it is arranged in the Greek text is like this
In the beginning was the word and the word was with 'ton Theon' and 'Theos' was the word

both words; "Theon" and "Theos" means God,
in john 1:1 it's "Theon" for Father, and "Theos" for the Word.

'Theos' is used in john for "the Word", and 'Theos' is also used in new testament scripture for "the Father",

but stop running away from the subject, show that the word 'was' is not correct grammar @ john 1:1
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 

gohf: According to you people's misinterpretion

false accuser like the devil, quote where I gave misinterpretation:
Rev_12:10  Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night.

gohf: you don't know the difference between an accusative noun and a normative noun,.... you can even say "God was the word"

oh duh, so dum
"the Word" is nominative/the person Who is the subject in the sentence:
the Word was with God

"God" is accusative/the person that the subject refers to:
the Word was with God

and what has that to do with: "was", being correct grammar or not:
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

gohf: Now you are claiming to know Grammer, by changing it all from past tense to present or future.
Take your present tense example for instance
Joh 1:1  In the beginning is the Word
and the Word is with God and the Word is God.

I didn't post a "present tense" example
I posted "past tense is not present tense" , and what you quoted is not what I posted, oh deceiver

you have already shown in your post to be a false accuser like the devil,
and here you have also shown to be a liar like the devil:
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

gohf: But this isn't what is written, because if it was this then one may say o the word is the beginning, and the word is with God and is also God, meaning a present revelation of who is he but this cannot follow the context and message in John 1.

such confusion and running away from a very simple subject,
you cannot even accept that "was" is correct grammar for john 1:1
and your ego has you all over the place in denying such a simple truth:
1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

running away from truth is cowardly:
rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

gohf:
🤣 what nonsense is this you wrote
"When God formed(Praise Be JAH for teaching me his mysteries), His word formed.His Spirit formed."

Are you practicing occultism while calling it divinity?

"I should not make the mistake of calling God, who by the way created ALL, I should not make the mistake of calling Him the creator of Jesus. I should not fear Him but you and your demons that deceived you.

Funny how John 1:1 WAS God and not is 😁

John 1:1 is talking about "in the beginning" - a time in the past


"is" could be used but it's not proper grammar,
past tense is past tense:
Joh 1:1  In the beginning (past tense) was the Word (past tense),
and the Word was with God (past tense), and the Word was God (past tense). ---- < correct grammar

past tense is not present tense:
Joh 1:1  In the beginning (past tense) was "is" the Word (present tense),
and the Word was with God (past tense), and the Word was "is" God (present tense).

past tense is not future tense:
Joh 1:1  In the beginning (past tense) was "will be" the Word (future tense),
and the Word was with God (past tense), and the Word was "will be" God (future tense).

reason for not respecting the so called Jehovah's witnesses - they are false prophets etc.


It is said that Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that the Watchtower’s authoritative statements are true and genuinely reflect God’s guidance. But if the Society has been indisputably wrong in every period, how can modern Witnesses trust it? Would any employer rehire a thief for the tenth time after nine offenses? The answer is no. Thousands of Jehovah’s Witnesses have left the Watchtower after having lived through the high expectations and heartbreaking disappointments of these false prophecies. Thousands more have left who investigated these false prophecies in the Watchtower literature.

Still, the Watchtower Society claims that Jehovah’s Witnesses’ “unswerving attention to such inspired prophecy has held them true to the right course till now.”[29] After reading its false prophecies through the years and its own admission that it lied, what do you think?

The Society still claims of Armageddon, “Jehovah has His own fixed date for its arrival.”[30] The Watchtower has missed that date every time it has predicted it.


Does the Watchtower Society admit to false prophecy?

Jehovah’s Witnesses have admitted serious errors. In their official Watchtower publication, Man’s Salvation (1975), they now admit that Charles Taze Russell was wrong in his 1874 prediction of Christ’s second coming.[31] They admit that they were wrong in their 1914 prediction.[32] They admit that they were wrong in their prediction of 1925.[33] They admit that they were wrong about their prediction in 1975. What do you think? Does the evidence show they have passed the second test they themselves laid down, namely that any prophecy given in the name of God must come true? Have their prophecies come true 100 percent of the time?[34] If not, can the Watchtower Society claim it is God’s sole channel of communication to men on earth today?

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"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

Pro 14:5  A trustworthy witness will not lie, But a false witness utters lies.

the so called Jehovah's witnesses are not Christians like the rest of us

they are false prophets etc.


1916 “The Bible chronology herein presented shows that the six great 1000 year days beginning with Adam are ended and that the great 7th Day, the 1000 years of Christ’s Reign, began in 1873,” (The Time Is at Hand, forward, p. ii).
1918 “Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection,” (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, p. 89).
1922 “The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures than 1914,” (Watchtower, Sept. 1, 1922, p. 262).
1923 “Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge,” (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1923, p. 106).
1925 “The year 1925 is here. With great expectation Christians have looked forward to this year. Many have confidently expected that all members of the body of Christ will be changed to heavenly glory during this year. This may be accomplished. It may not be. In his own due time, God will accomplish his purposes concerning his people. Christians should not be so deeply concerned about what may transpire this year,” (Watchtower, Jan. 1, 1925, p. 3).
1925 “It is to be expected that Satan will try to inject into the minds of the consecrated, the thought that 1925 should see an end to the work,” (Watchtower, Sept. 1925, p. 262).

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"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

Pro 14:5 A trustworthy witness will not lie, But a false witness utters lies.

reason for not respecting the so called Jehovah's witnesses - they are false prophets etc.


But in spite of their tragic record of predictions that did not come to pass, they disregarded the Word of God in Deuteronomy 18 and as the above quote from Awake! magazine shows, they confidently asked the people to believe that now they would speak for God in predicting the future. They now began to strongly imply it would be the year 1975 in which Armageddon would occur.[24]

In 1973 they said, “The ‘Great Tribulation’ is very near.”[25]
In 1973 they said, “According to the Bible’s timetable, the beginning of the seventh millennium of mankind’s existence on earth is near at hand, within this generation.”[26]
In Kingdom Ministry, May, 1974, the world’s end was said to be “so very near that Jehovah’s Witnesses were commended who sold “their homes and prop­erty” to devote themselves to full-time service in “the short time remaining before the wicked world’s end” (p. 3).
In 1975 they said, “The fulfillment… is immediately ahead of us.”[27]
In 1975 they said, “Very short must be the time that remains….”[28] Many Jehovah’s Witnesses living today can remember when the year 1975 came and went, bringing great discouragement to the faithful and providing further embarrassment to the Watchtower Society.

But the charade still continued. From 1976 to 1981 the Society repeatedly said that Armageddon was “very near,” “at hand,” etc. And from 1981 to the present the Society still claims that the world is near its end.

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"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

Pro 14:5  A trustworthy witness will not lie, But a false witness utters lies.

the so called Jehovah's witnesses are not Christians like the rest of us

they are false prophets etc.


Remember Deut. 18:22, “If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.” If someone makes a false prophecy and claims to be a prophet of God, they are false prophets and are not to be listened to. Do the Witnesses claim to be the prophet of God? Yes, they do.

In 1972 the Jehovah’s Witness Watchtower claimed to be the prophet of God.

IDENTIFYING THE “PROPHET”–“So does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come? These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet? . . . This “prophet” was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah’s Christian Witnesses . . . Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a ‘prophet’ of God. It is another thing to prove it,” (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1972, p. 197). (See Deut. 18:21.)

1897 “Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since October 1874,” (Studies in the Scriptures, vol. 4, p. 621).
1899 ” . . . the ‘battle of the great day of God Almighty’ (Revelation 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth’s present rulership, is already commenced,” (The Time Is at Hand, 1908 edition, p. 101).

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"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

Pro 14:5 A trustworthy witness will not lie, But a false witness utters lies.

the so called Jehovah's witnesses are not Christians like the rest of us

they are false prophets etc.


Jehovah’s Witnesses and their many false prophecies

Jehovah’s Witnesses have many false prophecies and predictions. They make many claims in their attempt to convert you to their faith. They profess to have the only true Christian church, be the only true representatives of God, have the only correct biblical teaching, and be the only true announcers of Jehovah’s coming kingdom.

If they are the only true church and are the only true voice of God’s word, then what they say should prove true, especially in prophecy. When it comes to predicting the future, the Watchtower organization fails miserably. The following are some of the false predictions made over the years by the Watchtower organization. If you present these to a JW, he will probably say something like, “Those are taken out of context,” or “They didn’t claim to be the prophet of God,” or “The light is getting brighter, and we are understanding Bible prophecy better now,” etc. Make a copy of these false prophecies, found in the appendix, and give it to them to check. They are right out of the Witnesses’ literature.

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"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

Pro 14:5 A trustworthy witness will not lie, But a false witness utters lies.

reason for not respecting the so called Jehovah's witnesses - they are false prophets etc.


In this article in Awake! magazine the Watchtower leadership admitted:

True, there have been those in times past who predicted an “end to the world,” even announcing a specific date. The “end” did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing?… Missing from such people were God’s truths and the evidence that He was guiding and using them. But what about today? Today we have the evidence required, all of it, and it is overwhelming![23]
Notice that the Watchtower leaders have condemned themselves as false prophets. They admit that all through the years they were speaking in the name and authority of God, they were really lying and giving false prophecies.

If we accept that they gave false prophecies, God in Deuteronomy 18:20-22 says in the New World Translation:

However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. And in case you should say in your heart: “How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?”’ When the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak. With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it. You must not get frightened at him.


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"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

Pro 14:5  A trustworthy witness will not lie, But a false witness utters lies.

reason for not respecting the so called Jehovah's witnesses - they are false prophets etc.


On May 1, 1942 they said, “Now, with Armageddon immediately before us…” (p. 139).
On May 1, 1943 they said, “The final end of all things… is at hand” (p. 139).
On September 1, 1944 they said, “Armageddon is near at hand” (p. 264).
In 1946, “The disaster of Armageddon… is at the door.”[18]
In 1950 they said, “The March is on! Where? To the field of Armageddon for the ‘war of the great day of God the Almighty.’”[19]
In 1953 they said, “Armageddon is so near at hand it will strike the generation now living.”[20]
In 1955 they said, “It is becoming clear that the war of Armageddon is near its breaking out point.”[21]
In 1958 they said, “When will Armageddon be fought?… It will be very soon.”[22]
These are just a few of the many false prophecies The Watchtower has made over the years. Is there any wonder the Jehovah’s Witness leaders in their Awake! magazine, October 8, 1968, page 23, were forced to admit that “certain persons” had previously falsely predicted the end of the world? In this article Jehovah’s Witness leaders asked why these false prophecies were given. Every Jehovah’s Witness should take note of what they said. They said it was because they lacked God’s guidance.

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"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

Pro 14:5  A trustworthy witness will not lie, But a false witness utters lies.

the so called Jehovah's witnesses are not Christians like the rest of us

they are false prophets etc.


As far back as Jesus’ birth, the Magi recognized that He was already king:

“Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east and have come to worship Him” (Matthew 2:2).

In fact, the very words Christ and Messiah mean “anointed one,” and in this context mean that He is the anointed king.

The Jehovah’s Witness teaching that Jesus was in heaven for 2,000 years without his royal authority and only became king in the early 20th century at the onset of World War I is untenable in light of the clear New Testament teaching. Jesus came as a king and had already received all authority before He ascended into heaven. Jesus was, is, and ever will be the ruler of the kings of the earth. Jesus did not become Lord and King in the modern era. Jesus has long been the heavenly King.

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"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

Pro 14:5 A trustworthy witness will not lie, But a false witness utters lies.