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Christianity EtcRe: Which Prophet Of Our Day Has A Reputation For Unfailing Prophecy? by johnw47: 9:21am On Dec 19, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
If you're not stupid you should know that ex-jws should know better and be able to present a real fixed date found in the publications of Watchtower not just stories from Paul Grundy who is deceiving you with lies.
Wait and see if any former JW could present a publication of Watchtower where a fixed date was mentioned instead of seeking the attention of Jehovah's Witnesses up and down the forum! smiley
lost mad max, blasphemer of Jehovah and Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ

false jw, of course you even deny quotes from your own publications,
you are fully entrenched in lying, just like your father the devil:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Christianity EtcRe: JW 032 light of the world by johnw47: 9:14am On Dec 19, 2024
achorladey:
A lot of darkness from the past up to their present state cheesy grin grin
and it cannot change
Christianity EtcRe: JW 032 light of the world by johnw47: 9:13am On Dec 19, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Once again you dodged the question.
Well if you don't know any publication where the Watchtower mentioned a specific date as the end of the world thanks for your time.
At least Johnw47 can see now that none of you have anything to say regarding the so called date fixing you're simply mimicking what Paul Grundy told you guys! cheesy
ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool


lost mad max, blasphemer of Jehovah and the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ

false jw, i have had plenty to say to you apart from quoting your own publications,
oh cannot stop lying blinded one

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them
Christianity EtcRe: Are Jehovah's Witnesses Prophets? by johnw47: 5:24am On Dec 19, 2024
haddeylium: Are Jehovah's Witnesses prophets?
The simple answer is NO!
never once has the Jehovah’s Witnesses organization claimed to be prophets.
achorladey:
ARE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES PROPHETS?

The image below as captured in one of your publications is a testament of WHO THEY SAY THEY ARE.

In addition, the fact that you added Jehovah's witnesses don't believe in gift of prophecies and the same organisation went ahead to call themselves prophet in their publications shows the numerous contradictions that exist in the teachings of the organization you belong.

Once again from the image attached, ARE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES PROPHETS?


Who is that prophet that the magazine states is among them?
those false prophets keep saying things out of their heads,
and then keep contradicting themselves

absence of Holy Spirit shows, also shows their angels to be of the fallen kind


achorladey, your posted image is below

Christianity EtcRe: Which Prophet Of Our Day Has A Reputation For Unfailing Prophecy? by johnw47: 4:25am On Dec 19, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
There you go deceiving yourself!
Neither John the baptist, Jesus of Nazareth, first century Apostles or Governing Body fixed any date it's all about sense of urgency misconstrued by many as fixed date.
But if you don't agree please quote any of the publications of the Watchtower where a date is fixed e.g 18/12/2024 that any publication of Watchtower mentioned apart from anticipation like first century Jewish disciples of Christ!
lost mad max, blasphemer of Jehovah and the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ

what a fearful twisting false jw you are, aren't you
false jw's named many specific years for prophecy's such as armageddon etc. to happen
they all of course failed, so they named other specific years when more prophecies will happen
they too all failed of course
you have seen them on other threads, but are such a denier of truth, aren't you
why don't you ask me to prove what i say and post some of them here
i'll be happy to

"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Christianity EtcRe: JW 032 light of the world by johnw47:
achorladey:
Jehovah's witnesses are false prophet because their own religious organization publications shows they are indeed real false prophets.

Haddeylium did a bad publicity regarding that. The thread is still on Nairaland grin cheesy grin cheesy cheesy
@ purple, just another hypercritical false jw

haddeylium: if your comments/questions are civil, I'll reply them'.
haddeylium: It's so funny how some clowns can tell people what their belief is.
Christianity EtcRe: JW 032 light of the world by johnw47:
MaxInDHouse:
If anyone says Jehovah's Witnesses are false prophets for always proclaiming that God's Kingdom is near then it means John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth should also be false prophets because Jehovah's Witnesses are following their footsteps! wink
Job_15:12  Why doth thine heart carry thee away? and what do thy eyes wink at
Pro_10:10  He who winks the eye causes trouble,
Pro_16:30  He who winks his eyes does so to devise perverse things; < .... Jesus of Nazareth should also be false prophets


lost mad max, blasphemer of Jehovah and the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ

most dum false jw, you false jw's are false prophets because you say a certain things will happen in a specific year,
and when it doesn't eventuate, you just give another false prophecy, and so on and on, < nothing like Jesus did oh lost one

"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.


and of course you love to lie and try to make Jesus out to be the same as you false prophets

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Christianity EtcRe: JW 008 The Year 1914 by johnw47: 10:51pm On Dec 18, 2024
false jw's/false prophets, try to make Jesus Christ out to be a false prophet just like they are,
but then they also try and make the Holy Spirit out to be a liar, etc. etc. etc.




jwfacts..com
Prior to forming the Watchtower, Russell wrote that 1914 would see the end of all governments.

“… the seven times will end in A.D. 1914; when Jerusalem shall be delivered forever, and the Jew say of the Deliverer, “Lo, this is our God, we have waited for Him and He will save us.” When Gentile Governments shall have been dashed to pieces; when God shall have poured out of his fury upon the nation, and they acknowledge him, King of Kings and Lord of Lords.” Bible Examiner C. T. Russell Oct 1876

Russell originally was a follower of the teachings of Barbour, and together they co-authored works such as the 1877 book Three Worlds, and the Harvest of This World. After splitting from Barbour in June 1879, Russell began publishing the magazine Zion's Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence in July 1879. This became distinctly his own religion with the incorporation of the organization "Zion's Watch Tower Tract Society" shortly thereafter. Russell continued to publish many of the prophetic interpretations he had received from Barbour, as can be seen in what follows when comparing Three Worlds and Watchtower quotes.


"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Christianity EtcRe: JW 008 The Year 1914 by johnw47: 10:46pm On Dec 18, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth are also guilty if Jehovah's Witnesses are called false prophets for proclaiming the same message they both declared in the first century! smiley
lost mad max, blasphemer of Jehovah and the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ

false jw, so you love to believe

Rev_20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire
Christianity EtcRe: JW 005 What Is The Difference Between Christians And Jehovah's Witnesses? by johnw47: 10:43pm On Dec 18, 2024
the difference between Christians and so called Jehovah's witnesses is that
Christians are followers of Jesus Christ and false jw's are false prophets


jwfacts..com
Basis of 1925 Doctrine

What was the basis for claiming the Scriptures so definitely proved the earthly resurrection would begin in 1925?

"Seventy jubilees of fifty years each would be a total of 3500 years. That period of time beginning 1575 before A.D. 1 of necessity would end in the fall of the year 1925, at which time the type ends and the great antitype must begin. Millions Now Living Will Never Die! p.88

"Seventy times 50 are 3,500. The whole period would therefore have been 3,500 years from the time the Jews entered Canaan until all the types would have been fulfilled. As they entered Canaan 1,575 years before Christ there would be 1,925 years of types after Christ, or 1925 A. D." The Way to Paradise p.223

It is a sad indictment on human gullibility that Watchtower followers can accept such flimsy evidence as unquestionable proof.

Early 1925, Rutherford started back peddling on such certainties.



Pro 14:5  A trustworthy witness will not lie, But a false witness utters lies.
Christianity EtcRe: JW 032 light of the world by johnw47: 10:36pm On Dec 18, 2024
there is no light in false prophets


from jwfacts..com
1925 - Proven Fact From God

Rutherford wrote that the chronological predictions he had made were "of God" himself and 1925 was proclaimed a "fixed" date beyond doubt.
"... this chronology is not of man, but of God.... the addition of more proofs removes it entirely from the realm of chance into that of proven certainty.... the chronology of present truth [is]... not of human origin." Watch Tower 1922 Jul 15 p.217

"The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures because it is fixed by the law God gave to Israel. Viewing the present situation in Europe, one wonders how it will be possible to hold back the explosion much longer; and that even before 1925 the great crisis will be reached and probably passed." Watch Tower 1922 Sep 1 p.262

"Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures, marking the end of the typical jubilees. ... As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith then Noah had (so far as the Scriptures reveal) upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge." Watch Tower 1923 Apr 1 p.106

"The year 1925 is a date definitely and clearly marked in Scriptures, even more clearly than that of 1914;…" Watchtower 1924 Jul 15 p.211

Could there be any more direct evidence of an organization that promoted false prophecy in the name of God? How could Rutherford say that his followers had more reason to accept his prediction of 1925 than Noah had to believe the words directly spoken by Jehovah?

Rutherford gloated that those criticising the 1925 predictions would fail.



"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Christianity EtcRe: JW 032 light of the world by johnw47: 10:25pm On Dec 18, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Whatever makes JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES false means John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth are both false prophets too! smiley
lost mad max, blasphemer of Jehovah and the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ

false jw, so you love to believe

Rev_20:15  And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire
Christianity EtcRe: JW 001 Should True Christians Support Wars? by johnw47: 10:21pm On Dec 18, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Neither John the baptist, Jesus of Nazareth, Christ's first century disciples and their modern day counterpart Jehovah's Witnesses never mentioned a specific date rather they're all keeping themselves in a sense of urgency! smiley
lost mad max, blasphemer of Jehovah and the Holy Spirit and Jesus Chrtist

cannot stop lying false jw, your org. has given many false prophecies saying; armageddon etc. etc. etc. will happen in a specific year,
and when it doesn't eventuate they sometimes twist what they said misleading their gullible goats, and make another false prophecy
for you to swallow

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Christianity EtcRe: JW 001 Should True Christians Support Wars? by johnw47: 10:12pm On Dec 18, 2024
studying the Bible with so called Jehovah's witnesses is studying the Bible with false teachers/false prophets:


from jwfacts..com
The Way to Paradise described 1925 are the year for Jerusalem becoming capital of the world (p.219), "God's favour returning to the Jewish people", and "ancient worthies" being awakened (p.224). It went on to make the following outrageous predictions;

"The Bible and "The Bible in Stone" [the Pyramid of Giza] give the date 1914: for the beginning of the great change. History proves that the ouster proceedings began promptly on time. Prophecy indicates that 1925-1926 will see the greater part of the ousting completed. All the world's statesmen are dreading the next few years." The Way to Paradise p.171

"When you take up a more advanced study of the Bible, you will find that the year 1925 A. D. is particularly marked in prophecy." The Way to Paradise p.220

"Of course it will take some time to get things in smoothly running order after the great stress between now and 1926. It may be ten years or more before you get your home all fixed up, and the gardens bringing forth the luscious fruits and appetizing vegetables in abundance. Even if it takes a while longer you will be that much better prepared. You will have secured the services of the best decorators you can find. Some of them used to be undertakers; but since there are no more people dying, they have had to seek some new occupation. Their experience as undertakers prepared them to become decorators with very little difficulty." The Way to Paradise p.228

The Bulletin October 1920 included an outline on how to introduce the topic of 1925.

"Good morning!

"Do you know that millions now living will never die?
"I mean just what I say - that millions now living are never going to die.

"'The Finished Mystery', the posthumous work of Pastor Russell, tells why there are millions now living who will never die; and if you can keep alive until 1925 you have excellent chances of being one of them.

"It is an absolute fact, stated in every book of the Bible, foretold by every prophet of the Bible."

The following quote shows the superstitious nature of Watchtower followers regarding Watchtower publications, and at the time their continued belief in the relevance of the pyramid.

"There are men about the Pyramid who have acted as guides for years. Several of these were sent for and closely questioned. They all agreed that the material was brought there and the construction of this stairway and iron supports began early in July, 1919, and the work was completed about the first of October, 1919. Immediately the writer recalled that it was about the first of July 1919, that the idea was conceived of publishing THE GOLDEN AGE, the first issue of which appeared October 1, 1919. THE GOLDEN AGE announced, and continues to announce, that the establishment of Messiah’s kingdom is at hand, that the time of restitution is here, that the old world has ended and the new is beginning, and that millions now living will never die." Watchtower 1920 Dec 15 p.379



"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Christianity EtcRe: JW 008 The Year 1914 by johnw47: 8:19am On Dec 18, 2024
false jw's/false prophets, try to make Jesus Christ out to be a false prophet just like they are,
but then they also try and make the Holy Spirit out to be a liar, etc. etc. etc.




jwfacts..com
The expectation was 1914 would see the final end of worldly kingdoms, replaced by God's Kingdom fully established on earth.

"In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God, will be accomplished by the end of A.D. 1914." Studies in the Scriptures - The Time is at Hand (1889) 1911 ed. p.99

From the 1911 edition forward, this quote gave an additional year for these events to be fully accomplished, extending to A.D.1915.

Watchtower quotes prior to 1914

Russell taught that Jesus invisible presence began in 1874 and rulership in 1878.

"Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present since October 1874, A.D., according to the testimony of the prophets, to those who have ears to hear it: and the formal inauguration of his kingly office dates from April 1878, A.D.:" Studies in Scriptures Series - The Day of Vengeance (1897) p.621

The heavenly kingdom was shown Scripturally to begin before the end of the Gentile Times.

"But the kingdom of God is to be set up before the days of the Gentile end, for "in the days of theses kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom; and it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms" (Dan. 2:44)."" Three Worlds and the Harvest of This World (Barbour & Russell, 1877) p.27

As shown at Freemasonry & Adventist Links, Russell used pyramidology to support this belief.



"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Christianity EtcRe: JW 032 light of the world by johnw47: 8:11am On Dec 18, 2024
there is no light in false prophets


from jwfacts..com
The Proclaimers book relates;

"What an exciting message they proclaimed--"Millions now living will never die!" Brother Rutherford had given a discourse on this subject in 1918. It was also the title of a 128-page booklet published in 1920. From 1920 through 1925, that same subject was featured again and again around the world in public meetings in all areas where speakers were available and in upwards of 30 languages." Jehovah's Witnesses - Proclaimers of God's Kingdom p.425

Reading the brief mention of this topic in the Proclaimers book, one could be mistaken for thinking 1925 was of little relevance in the history of Jehovah's Witnesses; yet this was the defining prophecy of Rutherford's leadership. Largely unknown by most Jehovah's Witnesses today, this was the focus of the Watchtower preaching work between 1918 and 1925. "Millions Now Living Will Never Die!" introduced Rutherford's prediction that the earthly resurrection was to begin in 1925, starting with the faithful men of old, men such as Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Between 1918 and 1925, Watchtower promoted the earthly resurrection would commence in 1925.

Expectations for 1925 included:

the end of Christendom
the return of earth to a paradise
the resurrection of the dead onto earth
the Zionist teaching of the reestablishment of Palestine



"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Christianity EtcRe: JW 001 Should True Christians Support Wars? by johnw47: 8:00am On Dec 18, 2024
studying the Bible with so called Jehovah's witnesses is studying the Bible with false teachers/false prophets:


from jwfacts..com
"The year 1926 would therefore begin about October first, 1925. ... We should, therefore, expect shortly after 1925 to see the awakening of Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Melchisedec, Job, Moses, Samuel, David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, John the Baptist, and others mentioned in the eleventh chapter of Hebrews. The Way to Paradise (1925) p.224

No doubt many boys and girls who read this book will live to see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Daniel, and those other men of old, come forth in the glory of their "better resurrection," perfect in mind and body. It will not take long for Christ to appoint them to their posts of honor and authority as his earthly representatives. The world and all the present conveniences will seem strange to them at first, but they will soon become accustomed to the new methods. They may have some amusing experiences at first; for they never saw telephones, radios, automobiles, electric lights, aeroplanes, steam engines, and many other things so familiar to us." The Way to Paradise pp.226-227



"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

Christianity EtcRe: JW 005 What Is The Difference Between Christians And Jehovah's Witnesses? by johnw47: 7:54am On Dec 18, 2024
the difference between Christians and so called Jehovah's witnesses is that
christians are followers of Jesus Christ and false jw's are false prophets


jwfacts..com
The following quotes outline these expectations.

"What, then, should we expect to take place? The chief thing to be restored is the human race to life; and since other Scriptures definitely fix the fact that there will be a resurrection of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and other faithful ones of old, and that these will have the first favour, we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of Israel from the condition of death , being resurrected and fully restored to perfect humanity and made the visible, legal representatives of the new order of things on earth." Millions Now Living Will Never Die! p.88

"As we have heretofore stated, the great jubilee cycle is due to begin in 1925. At that time the earthly phase of the kingdom shall be recognized." Millions Now Living Will Never Die! p.89

"Hence these faithful men may be expected on earth within the next few years." The Harp of God p.340



Pro 14:5  A trustworthy witness will not lie, But a false witness utters lies.

Christianity EtcRe: JW 008 The Year 1914 by johnw47: 7:25am On Dec 18, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Sence of urgency since 2,000 years ago doesn't mean bearers of such messages are false prophets but their modern day counterpart doing the same thing today are false prophets shey?
Hypocrisy of the highest order! cheesy
ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool



lost mad max, blasphemer of Jehovah and the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ

false jw, you are such a dum and confused false prophet, aren't you

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints
Christianity EtcRe: JW 032 light of the world by johnw47:
MaxInDHouse:
In the first century John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth were saying:
"Repent for God's Kingdom is at hand" Matthew 3:2; 4:17
A modern day critic of Jesus' disciples said that message delivered by John and Jesus was a sense of urgency but Jehovah's Witnesses doing the same thing today this critic called "false prophets" cheesy
ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool



lost mad max, blasphemer of Jehovah and the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ

Jesus
Mat 3:2  "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." 

false jw, Jesus of course is not a false prophet, or to be compared with you false jw's/false prophets,
wherever Jesus is, there is the kingdom of heaven/the kingdom of God, Jesus and His kingdom was at hand, even among them:

Luk 17:20  Now having been questioned by the Pharisees as to when the kingdom of God was coming, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed; 
Luk 17:21  nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or, 'There it is!' For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst."
Christianity EtcRe: JW 032 light of the world by johnw47: 11:24pm On Dec 17, 2024
there is no light in false prophets


from jwfacts..com
Ongoing Date Implications

Watchtower incorrectly promoted teachings on the following dates that they no longer accept:

539 A.D.
1780
1798
1799
1829
1840
1844
1846
1872
1874
1878
1880
1881
1891
1906
1910
1914
1915
1917
1918
1920
1921
1925
1926
1928
1932
1935
1940s
1951
1975
2000

Despite being known for their failed predictions of Armageddon, Watchtower does not hold back from criticising other religions that do the same.

"RELIGIOUS LEADERS sometimes predict tragic worldwide events to warn mankind and gather followers. Doomsday prophet Harold Camping and his disciples widely advertised that the earth would be destroyed in 2011. Needless to say, the world is still here." Watchtower 2014 May 1 p.3

Watchtower history is based around the doomsday message that the end is about to come. Statements abound such as in the 1930's book The New World;

"The Scriptures give good reason to believe that it shall be shortly before Armageddon breaks."
Toward the end of the twentieth century, the Watchtower Society refrained from issuing specific dates for Armageddon, but still has not stopped implying dates and time frames.

Luke warned about those whose message is that the "due time has approached."

"He said: "Look out that YOU are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, 'I am he,' and, 'The due time has approached.' Do not go after them." Luke 21:8

Moses warned against those that make predictions in the name of Jehovah that do not come true.

"And in case you should say in your heart: "How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?" When the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak..." Deuteronomy 18:20-22

The Watchtower says that the standard by which to judge a false messenger is whether their messages "come true."

"Jehovah is the Grand identifier of his true messengers. He identifies them by making the messages he delivers through them come true. Jehovah is also the Great Exposer of false messengers." Watchtower 1997 May 1 p.8

Ironic, considering the Watchtower specifically said the end would come in 1914 and then 1925. This section demonstrated over 20 "messages" promoted by the Watchtower for decades that turned out not to be "true." What does this prove about them as messengers and prophets ?



"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Christianity EtcRe: JW 001 Should True Christians Support Wars? by johnw47: 11:08pm On Dec 17, 2024
studying the Bible with so called Jehovah's witnesses is studying the Bible with false teachers/false prophets:


from jwfacts..com
1935 - Sealing of the Anointed

With the progression of time obscure Watchtower interpretation relating to the 1700's, 1800's and 1900's fade into irrelevance. These are thrust aside, relegated to obscurity and replaced with new date concepts more palatable to current generations.

A noteworthy example is the date for the sealing of the 144,000, a date constantly changed. Russell originally set it as being 1878. This was moved to 1881, 1910, 1914, 1925, 1931 and finally 1935. In 2007 it has admitted as unknown.

The Watchtower 1933 Nov 15 p.343 explained the parable of Matthew 20:1-16 related to the 12 years from 1919 to 1931 and hence the close of the sealing. "Let God be True" 1946 ed. p.298 also discussed 1931 as closing the sealing. (See Watchtower 2007 May 1 pp.30-31)

In 1966 this was reassigned to coincide with the introduction of the Great Crowd doctrine in 1935. From that time forward it was presented as gospel that the sealing concluded in 1935, such as in the following article. This is despite no Scriptural reasoning to support the 1935 date, or any other date for that matter.

"Logically, the calling of the little flock would draw to a close when the number was nearing completion, and the evidence is that the general gathering of these specially blessed ones ended in 1935." Watchtower 1995 Feb 15 p.19

Exactly what 'evidence' is that? Apparently none, as admitted in 2007.

"Thus it appears that we can not set a specific date for when the calling of Christians to the heavenly hope ends." Watchtower 2007 May 1 p.31

There are a number of likely contributors to this admission. By the year 2005 1935 was 70 years prior, somewhat of an irrelevant embarrassment. Even the Governing Body contained few born prior to 1935. Of utmost importance to Watchtower doctrine is the concept that the Great Crowd must obey the direction of the Anointed. In order to be identified as sheep rather than goats and saved at Armageddon they must have demonstrated good works towards the Anointed. With few new admissions to this class eventually who would be left for the Great Crowd to follow. Furthermore, from around 1980 the number of memorial partakers was no longer declining, stable at around 8,000 people.



"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Christianity EtcRe: JW 008 The Year 1914 by johnw47: 10:58pm On Dec 17, 2024
false jw's/false prophets, try to make Jesus Christ out to be a false prophet just like they are,
but then they also try and make the Holy Spirit out to be a liar, etc. etc. etc.



jwfacts..com
The 1914 doctrine has changed by necessity, and continued to change in the twenty first century, as it has been falsified by the progression of history. It has progressed from:

1. The last days started in 1799, ending in 1914.
2. The last days started in 1914, ending within a single lifetime/generation of those born prior to 1914.
3. The last days started in 1914, with an unspecified ending, after a period of an "overlapping generation."

The ability of the Watchtower to accurately foretell the meaning of 1914 is a great source of faith for Jehovah's Witnesses, unaware of what Watchtower said prior to 1914. Nothing Russell said about 1914 came to pass. For Russell and early Watchtower followers, the 2nd of October 1914 was expected to be the the conclusion of this system of things.

“Quite a few delegates stayed at Bethel, and, of course, members of the headquarters staff were present at the breakfast table on Friday morning, October 2. Everyone was seated when Brother Russell entered. As usual, he said cheerily, “Good morning, all.” But this particular morning was different. Instead of proceeding promptly to his seat, he clapped his hands and joyfully announced: “The Gentile times have ended; their kings have had their day.” “How we clapped our hands!” exclaims Cora Merrill. Brother Macmillan admitted: “We were highly excited and I would not have been surprised if at that moment we had just started up, that becoming the signal to begin ascending heavenward—but of course there was nothing like that, really.” Sister Merrill adds: “After a brief pause he [Russell] said: ‘Anyone disappointed? I’m not. Everything is moving right on schedule!’ Again we clapped our hands.”” Yearbook 1975 pp.72,73


"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Christianity EtcRe: JW 008 The Year 1914 by johnw47:
MaxInDHouse:
You can post a publication of Watchtower that mentioned a specific date regarding the end of the world
lost mad max, blasphemer of Jehovah and Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit

oh duh false jw, you say you false jw's never gave a specific day for the end f the world and armageddon and other events,
but you gave specific years, and when they never eventuated, you often twisted what you said, and then give other false dates/years

most dum one, you false jw's are false prophets.
Jesus Christ was definitely not, you people are nothing like the Lord

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Christianity EtcRe: JW 008 The Year 1914 by johnw47: 1:23pm On Dec 17, 2024
false jw's/false prophets, try to make Jesus Christ out to be a false prophet just like they are,
but then they also try and make the Holy Spirit out to be a liar, etc. etc. etc.



jwfacts..com
The early followers were as convinced they knew what was going to happen in 1914 as current followers are convinced the Great Tribulation and Armageddon will come at any moment, resulting in the destruction of all worldly people. This is because the same manipulative terminology used prior to 1914 is still used in Watchtower publications to this day.

1914 is the pivotal date for the existence of Jehovah's Witnesses, currently explained as the date:

● the Gentile times ended
● Jesus started ruling in heaven
● the Last Days began

1914 is the basis for the interpretation of the majority of other Bible prophecies. Most importantly, this was the time during which Jesus is said to have come to inspect and cleanse the Watchtower Society, resulting in Jesus choosing it in 1919 to be the only organization he works though in our time, and the only means of salvation.

The current understanding is significantly different to the original teachings. Prior to 1914, the Watchtower believed:

● The Last Days began 1799
● Jesus Parousia started 1874
● Jesus started ruling in heaven in 1878
● The Gentile Times would end in 1914, resulting in the:
○ end of Armageddon
○ fall of false religion
○ end of all earthly governments
○ heavenly and earthly resurrections
○ paradise on earth



"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Christianity EtcRe: JW 001 Should True Christians Support Wars? by johnw47: 9:35am On Dec 17, 2024
studying the Bible with so called Jehovah's witnesses is studying the Bible with false teachers/false prophets:


from jwfacts..com
1925

1925 was a date set by Rutherford for the commencement of the earthly paradise and the resurrection onto earth of people such as Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. See 1925 for a full discussion on Watchtower expectations for this date.

1932

Another date for the destruction of Christendom, apparently promoted within the congregations by elders.

"They [elected elders] had preached that in an early time God would overthrow "Christendom". Many had emphasized the year 1925 as the date, and then when that date did not materialize the date was moved up to 1932. Again, 1932 came and "Christendom" was not destroyed.... Because men tried to fix the date when God would destroy modern Nineveh and God did not back up their prophecy... is that any reason to be peeved?" Watchtower 1938 Feb 15 p.55




"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Christianity EtcRe: JW 008 The Year 1914 by johnw47: 9:34am On Dec 17, 2024
false prophecies and false date settings of so called Jehovah's witnesses


jwfacts..com
Expectations for 1914 were forcefully presented as fact, as shown in the following quotes.

"the deliverance of the saints must take place some time before 1914 is manifest" Thy Kingdom Come (1911 ed.) p.228
"the Day of Vengeance ... will end in October, 1914" The Day of Vengeance p.547
"the great "time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation," will reach its culmination" The Time Is at Hand (1889 ed.) page 77 - page 78
"we present proofs that the setting up of the Kingdom of God is already begun" The Time Is At Hand (1889 ed.) p.101
"we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God, will be accomplished near the end of A.D.1914." Studies in the Scriptures - The Time is at Hand (1889) 1911 ed. p.99
"October, 1914, will witness the full end of Babylon" Watch Tower 1911 Jun 15 p.190 (reprints p.4842)
"Christendom, will have passed away, as already shown in prophecy." Thy Kingdom Come (1891 ed.) p.153


"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Christianity EtcRe: JW 032 light of the world by johnw47: 10:39pm On Dec 16, 2024
there is no light in false prophets


from jwfacts..com
1921

1921 was another foretold closing of the calling and for the 144,000 to go to heaven. Rutherford drew on a string of interesting prophetic reasoning's that the Watchtower no longer refers to, such as 'half way' signs.

"This confirms the hope of the Church's glorification forty years (a year for a day) after the awakening of the sleeping saints in the Spring of 1878. The Seventh-days before the Deluge may represent seven years, from 1914 to 1921, in the midst of which "week of years' the last members of the Messiah pass beyond the veil. Our proposition is that the glorification of the Little Flock in the Spring of 1918 A.D. will be halfway between the close of the Gentile Times and the close of the heavenly way, A.D. 1921." Studies In the Scriptures - The Finished Mystery p.64
The half way signs in the article above went on the include;

Abrahamic covenant 2045 B.C. was half way between Adam 4127 B.C. and Cornelius 36 A.D.
Last typical jubilee 626 B.C. was half way between end of Adam's day 3127 B.C. and 1914 A.D.
Captivity 606 B.C. was half way between fall of man 4127 B.C. and full restoration 2914 A.D.
Christs death 33 A.D. was half way between his baptism and the conversion of Cornelius
Awakening of the Saints 1878 was half way between 1874 and the close of the calling in 1881.
It is mind boggling to see the number of teachings Rutherford presented, some from Russell and some of his own, that he later changed. Could Rutherford have really believed that the Angels directed him to write such a string of mistakes?


"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Christianity EtcRe: JW 005 What Is The Difference Between Christians And Jehovah's Witnesses? by johnw47: 10:33pm On Dec 16, 2024
the difference between Christians and so called Jehovah's witnesses is that
christians are followers of Jesus Christ and false jw's are false prophets


jwfacts..com
1920

1920 was another of Rutherford's foretold ends for Christendom and all government. Notice how this prediction was changed between the 1918 and 1926 edition of Studies In the Scriptures - The Finished Mystery

p.179
1918 ed. We anticipate that the "earthquake" will occur early in 1918, and that the "fire" will come in the fall of 1920.
1926 ed. We anticipate that the "earthquake" will occur early in 1918, and that the "fire" will follow in due course.

p.258
1918 ed. Even the republics will disappear in the fall of 1920. The three days In which Pharaoh's host pursued the Israelites into the wilderness represent the three years from 1917 to 1920 at which time all of Pharaoh's messengers will be swallowed up in the sea of anarchy.
1926 ed. Even the republics will disappear in the time of anarchy. The three days in which Pharaoh's host pursued the Israelites into the wilderness may represent the three years preceding the time of anarchy at which time all of Pharaoh's messengers will be swallowed up in the sea of angry humanity.

p.313
1918 ed. The masses of mankind, not under religious restraint - the condition of the whole world in the time of anarchy due in its full severity in the fall of 1920.
1926 ed. The masses of mankind, not under religious restraint - the condition of the whole world in the time of anarchy due in its full severity in the end of the time of trouble.

p.542
1918 ed. "As the fleshly-minded apostates from Christianity, aiding with the radicals and revolutionaries, will rejoice at the inheritance of desolation that will be Christendom's after 1918, so will God do to the successful revolutionary movement; it shall be utterly desolated, "even all of it" Not one vestige of it shall survive the ravages of world-wide all-embracing anarchy, in the fall of 1920."
1926 ed. "As the fleshly-minded apostates from Christianity, siding with the radicals and revolutionaries, will rejoice at the inheritance of desolation that will be Christendom's after 1918, so will God do to the successful revolutionary movement; it shall be utterly desolated, "even all of it." Not one vestige of it shall survive the ravages of world-wide all-embracing anarchy, in the end of the time of trouble."



Pro 14:5  A trustworthy witness will not lie, But a false witness utters lies.
Christianity EtcRe: Dangers Of Being A Jehovah's Witness. For Newbies Who Don't Know Them Well. by johnw47: 9:59pm On Dec 16, 2024
Janosky:
Very apt description.
You really know them well well.
Motley Crew of atheists, Judaist, sifia pained WAILING WAILERS & 3 deities devotees following JW's upandan WAILING like he goats.
grin grin grin
lost fraud jw janosky

you continue to forever blaspheme the Christian Father and Son and Holy Spirit of the Bible, of course
calling Them; " three deities/three gods, your final reward will come:

Rev_20:15  And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire

Mat 12:31  Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 
Mat 12:32  Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
Christianity EtcRe: Are There JW Pimos In Here? by johnw47:
Janosky:
The ghost deity leading you gave your fellow Trinitarians the revelation in the screenshots, that Sparrow is enslaved to a "dangerous doctrine" invented by his pulpit bandits .
JW's do not pay dime to pulpit bandits, alias your "God."
grin
grin grin
ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool


lost fraud jw janosky

you continue to forever blaspheme the Christian Holy Spirit of the Bible, of course
calling Him; " the ghost deity/the ghost god, your final reward will come:

Rev_20:15  And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire


the Holy Spirit didn't give the revelation that you accuse Him off, you false jw's love to continue lying about Him:

Mat 12:31  Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 
Mat 12:32  Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
Christianity EtcRe: JW 008 The Year 1914 by johnw47: 10:12am On Dec 16, 2024
false prophecies and false date settings of so called Jehovah's witnesses


jwfacts..com
1914 : Failed Watchtower Prophecy

One of the most misleading statements in Watchtower publications is that they accurately foretold 1914 to be the “start” of the conclusion of this system of things. Rather, Watchtower falsely predicted 1914 to be the “end” of the system of things, the conclusion of Armageddon and the start of the earthly paradise.

It is important to know what Watchtower preached would happen in the years leading up to and including 1914, and compare this with what it now claims was said.

What Watchtower said
prior to 1914

"The year A.D. 1878 … clearly marks the time for the actual assuming of power as King of kings, by our present, spiritual, invisible Lord - …" The Time is At Hand (1911 ed) p.239

"But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble. Zion's Watch Tower 1894 Jul 15 p.226

What Watchtower claims it said
prior to 1914

"The Watchtower has consistently presented evidence to honesthearted students of Bible prophecy that Jesus’ presence in heavenly Kingdom power began in 1914." Watchtower 1993 Jan 15 p.5

"Jehovah's witnesses pointed to the year 1914, decades in advance, as marking the start of "the conclusion of the system of things." Awake! 1973 Jan 22 p.8

The contradictory statements above help identify two critical facts:

Watchtower falsely predicted this system would end in 1914
Watchtower is not entirely honest about its history



"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

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