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TruthHurts100:
And you seriously think you know Jesus Christ more than Jehovah's Witnesses?

i certainly do, i know that the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is God in the flesh, john 1:1&14
and that He is not "a god" as polytheist false jw's believe

are you a false jw? you made out you wanted to know about "Who is a Christian"
and i told you, are you one of them or just a deceiver like them?

TruthHurts100:
Who is a Christian?

a person who has faith in the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ

that faith is God given, all you have to do is seek - look in the bible
i recommend starting with the new testament

Eph 2:8  For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 
Eph 2:9  Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Mat_7:7  Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

talk to Jesus in the quiet of your mind, perhaps before going to sleep at night
ask Him to help you to know Him, try it even if it seems strange to you

Maximus69:
Running away?

Well it's called avoiding (unwarranted) bitter arguments/insults and curses! Titus 3:9 compared to Matthew 5:38-39

™paranoid false jw mad max

it's bitter for you to be shown your paranoia etc. etc.
and because you false jw cannnot stop lying, you falsely accuse the truth as being insults and curses
you are truly off your daddy:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Maximus69: When you're prepared to reason respectfully, tactfully and with mildness i'm always around! 1Peter 3:15 compared to Isaiah 1:18

May you have PEACE!

how duh can one be, you think i'm interisted in chatting with satan's mob
i do ocassionally show you up for what you are though:

paranoid, liars, false accusers, polytheists, false prophets, don't i
o mighty combatant anus man https://www.nairaland.com/5336390/non-judicial-meeting-4-jehovahs/2#80956894
etc. etc. etc.

and you puffed up pharisees think God knows you

Mat 7:22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 
Mat 7:23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

TruthHurts100:
When you argue and back it up with the scriptures, you make sense. You're still in the cave age of speaketh, how can you understand anything?

i like the language of the kjv ,the modern kjv is easier to understand, as below:

MKJV Joh 8:44  You are of the Devil as father, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and did not abide in the truth because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own, for he is a liar and the father of it.

KJV Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

™paranoid false jw mad max
paranoia is fear, so is running away


2Ti_1:7  For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Maximus69:


it will take at least SIX fully armed military police officers to subdue just one single military intelligence officer of my kind, if it's just one combatant soldier i will make him regret the very day he joined the force but if he's not into martial arts of any kind then i'll make him eat and drink through his anus!



twelve Combatant mobile police officers are just like bloody civilians before one military intelligence officer!

Maximus69:
@bolded

1Corinthians 4:12

1Co 4:12  And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:

oh duh, ™paranoid false jw mad max

showing you up for your paranoia, lying, false accusing, etc.etc. is not reviling and persecuting

it is the truth oh most duh know nothing



some military intelligence officer, laugh

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Maximus69:
Now it's evident that you "OLAADEGBU" are the same "johnw47" in disguise!

ha ha ha, amazingly deceived


™paranoid false jw mad max

your paranoia is of course not from God
but it is from your god the devil:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


a number of false jw's over the years have said i'm another user
and it's usually been someone different, so far i'm about seven different persons, laugh

you false jw's of course all have that same lying, false accusing, paranoid, spirit in you
your daddy the devil


the great puffed up military intelligence officer

false jw's love their colorful clothing and the womens long colored
fingernails:

1Jn 2:16  For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.





greater is he(the Holy spirit) that is in Christians, than he(satan) that is in the world

1Jn 4:4  Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

and greater is he(the Holy Spirit) that is in Christians, than it(a impersonal power) that is in false jw's

russia persecutes false jw's




however Christians are persecuted world wide
10 of the worst:

north korea

afghanistan

somalia

sudan

pakistan

Eritrea

libya

iraq

yemen

iran



https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2018/01/11/top-10-worst-countries-christian-persecution

when your dead, you don't know your dead
the pain is only felt by others

the same thing happens when you're stupid

Father is Lord and Saviour:

Isa_43:3  For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.

Isa_49:26  And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.

Isa_60:16  Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.




Jesus is Lord and Saviour:

Luk_2:11  For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

Php_3:20  For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

Tit_1:4  To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.

2Pe_1:11  For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

2Pe_2:20  For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

2Pe_3:18  But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.



^^^
Father is Lord and Saviour
Jesus is Lord and Saviour
= Father and Jesus is God:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 










Jehovah God alone is the Saviour:

Isa_43:11  I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

Isa_45:21  Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

Hos_13:4  Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.



Jehovah God alone is the Saviour, and we see from scriptures above that Father and Jesus is the Saviour
= Jehovah God is Father and Jesus, two persons, one God:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.











Isa_45:21  Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.



polytheist false jw's say there is another god beside the Father
they say he is "a god"

they say father is almighty god and jesus is mighty god(two gods)



of course christians say as God does, that Father and the word is God:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Janosky:
(1)

"Bible > Strong's > Hebrew > 7069
◄ 7069. qanah
►
Strong's Concordance
1
a.
of God as originating, CREATING
, קֹנֵה שָׁמַיִם וָאָרֶץ Genesis 14:19,22 ;
Deuteronomy 32:6 (Israel), Psalm
139:13
( כִּלְֹיתָ֑י); PROVERBS 8:22 ( חכמה q. v.)
"

™ tormented lying pharisee deceiver false jw fraud janosky/OneJ

Yes God is the Creator, laughing again

and once again, john shows that pro 8:22 is: "the Lord possessed me in the beginning"

john 1:1 is: "in the beginning .. the Word was with God"

oh num skull

Janosky: *@2)
*1Cor 8:6
"Yet there is for us ONLY ONE GOD,
THE FATHER ,WHO IS THE CREATOR
OF ALL....."

why didn't you say the rest of the verse oh deceiving fraud:

1Co 8:6  But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

^^^ showing that Father and Jesus is Creator, and showing that Father and Jesus is God

do you want me to post more verses showing that Jesus created all things? oh know nothing

do you want me to post more verses showing that Jesus is God? oh lying pharisee fraud

Janosky: **Ephesians 4:6
" One God and Father of all, who is
above all,"

Eph 4:6  One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

of course Father God is one God and above all
and of course the word Jesus is that one same God, diffrent person, john 1:1 + + +


Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 

Janosky: ** Emphasis:
"THE FATHER ,WHO IS THE CREATOR
OF ALL"....." ALL " includes Jesus.
*lying Pharisee wey deceive himself thinking say he knows Jesus more than apostle Paul

amazing incredible stupidity, laughing

so according to you: "THE FATHER ,WHO IS THE CREATOR OF ALL" means He created the Word Jesus Christ
then according to your know nothing stupidity
the Word Jesus Christ "who is the creator of all" means He created the Father

Joh 1:3  All things were made by him(Jesus); and without him was not any thing made that was made. 

Col 1:16  For by him(Jesus) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 
Col 1:17  And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 

Janosky: *3)
God commanded himself:
"Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a stool for your feet" Acts 2:32-35.

Johnw FRAUD qwantirinu to dey enjoy your FRAUD and stupidity.... No qualms.

oh so confused mumu brain deceiver, twisting - changing God's word making Him a liar

God(Father) said to Jesus(not to Himself):
"Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a stool for your feet"


oh lying pharisee fraud:
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Joh 8:44

1Jn_4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Mat_23:15  Mat_23:15  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Janosky:
The Hebrew word YALAD at Psalms 90:2 meaning 'brought forth, bear ,beget,born ,to cause " are synonyms of "CREATE".

Jehovah is Father of ALL because HE CREATED all. Ephesians 3:14,15. 4:6.
Hallelujah!!!!

™tormented lying pharisee deceiver false jw fraud Janosky/OneJ



God is the Creator:

Gen 1:1  In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.



the Word Jesus Christ is the Creator:

Joh 1:3  All things were made by him(the Word Jesus Christ); and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Col 1:16  For by him(the Word Jesus Christ) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 
Col 1:17  And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.




Father God and the Word Jesus Christ is God:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.






know nothing mumu brain

™tormented lying pharisee deceiver false jw fraud Janosky/OneJ

you post your same post again(the above post), here is my reply again with God's word which you reject making Him a liar:

johnw47:
™ lying pharisee deceiver false jw janosky/OneJ
oh duh duh duh duh duh duh, Father God possesses wisdom-the Word:

Pro 8:22  The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

you know nothing at all oh mumu brain
and repeat your same lies over and over again against God's word, making Him a liar




oh great know nothing fraud making God a liar, Father created nil without the Word Jesus:

Joh 1:3  All things were made by him(Jesus); and without him was not any thing made that was made. 

Col 1:16  For by him(Jesus) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 
Col 1:17  And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

and of course Father is the one God, God is one
the Word is the one God
Father and the Word two persons one God

once again oh dingbat:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
plus many more showing that the Word Jesus is God, which of course you don't believe making God a liar
but ask me for them, i'm happy to post them for the 100th time, laugh


fraud jano/OneJ you believe some scriptures and don't believe others
but then you are a false jw, aren't you o




everywhere we look, we keep seeing that God and the Word Jesus is God

but not you o blinded as a bat lying pharisee:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Janosky:
The Hebrew word YALAD at Psalms 90:2 meaning 'brought forth, bear ,beget,born ,to cause " are synonyms of "CREATE".

Jehovah is Father of ALL because HE CREATED all. Ephesians 3:14,15. 4:6.
Hallelujah!!!!

™ lying pharisee deceiver false jw janosky/OneJ

ha ha ha ha ha, oh duh Father created all, and that is a new revelation to you, laughing

Father and the Word created all, and Father made nothing without the Word Jesus Christ:

Joh 1:3 All things were made by him(Jesus); and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Col 1:16 For by him(Jesus) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Gen 1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:


you go off your little mumu brain when you see a verse that say's Father is the one God
and the Word Jesus isn't mentioned

you go off your little mumu brain when you see a verse that shows Father created everything
and the Word Jesus isn't mentioned

such a way heap big mumu lying pharisee fraud

Janosky:
God possessed the word ,himself.
Your 'God' possessed himself.
Johnw FRAUD

™ lying pharisee deceiver false jw janosky/OneJ
oh duh duh duh duh duh duh, Father God possesses wisdom-the Word:

Pro 8:22  The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

you know nothing at all oh mumu brain
and repeat your same lies over and over again against God's word, making Him a liar

Janosky: Bible > Strong's > Hebrew > 7069
◄ 7069. qanah
►
Strong's Concordance
qanah: to get, acquire
Original Word: קָנָה
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: qanah
Phonetic Spelling: (kaw-naw')
Definition: to get, acquire
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
a prim. root
Definition
to get, acquire


owner (1), possessed (1), possessor

1
a.
of God as originating, creating
, קֹנֵה שָׁמַיִם וָאָרֶץ Genesis 14:19,22 ;
Deuteronomy 32:6 (Israel), Psalm 139:13

( כִּלְֹיתָ֑י); PROVERBS 8:22 ( חכמה q. v.)
"

*1Cor 8:6
"Yet there is for us ONLY ONE GOD,
THE FATHER ,WHO IS THE CREATOR
OF ALL....."
**Ephesians 4:6
" One God and Father of all, who is
above all,"
** Emphasis:
"THE FATHER ,WHO IS THE CREATOR
OF ALL"....." ALL " includes Jesus.


Johnw FRAUD qwantirinu to enjoy your stupidity.... No qualms.

oh great know nothing fraud making God a liar, Father created nil without the Word Jesus:

Joh 1:3  All things were made by him(Jesus); and without him was not any thing made that was made. 

Col 1:16  For by him(Jesus) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 
Col 1:17  And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

and of course Father is the one God, God is one
the Word is the one God
Father and the Word two persons one God

once again oh dingbat:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
plus many more showing that the Word Jesus is God, which of course you don't believe making God a liar
but ask me for them, i'm happy to post them for the 100th time, laugh


fraud jano/OneJ you believe some scriptures and don't believe others
but then you are a false jw, aren't you o




everywhere we look, we keep seeing that God and the Word Jesus is God

but not you o blinded as a bat lying pharisee:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

™lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

nothing was made without the Word Jesus Christ = Jesus wasn't made:
Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.



the Word Jesus Christ is not a thing, He is before all things, He created all things:
Col 1:16  For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 
Col 1:17  And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.



God possessed wisdom - the Word - Jesus Christ in the beginning of His way:
Pro 8:22  The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

john supports proverbs: the Word was with God:
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 


proverbs. The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way
John. In the beginning the Word was with God


false jw Janosky/OneJ, you are way heap big fraud
as a american red indian would say

Janosky:
"...we know that the mountains were created by God, and not born of other mountains ....we know that Jesus was born of God and not created...."
Johnw FRAUD, pls get out of this thread with your stupidity.

™lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

you are being a lying pharisee hypocrit again

you implied that Jesus wasn't born by asking:

If " Jesus was born by God",
How did God born the mountains and "gave birth to the earth"?

and your question was in reply to another user saying "Jesus was born by God"

Mat 23:25  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

you false jw's being of the devil, of course cannot stop lying:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Janosky:
Psalm 90:2..
"Before the mountains were born, before you gave birth to the earth and the world, from eternity to eternity, you are God."

** I have a question for you....
If " Jesus was born by God",
How did God born the mountains and "gave birth to the earth"?
Thanks.

Maximus69:
Wow!

Sound nice!

Please how come they're young?

Are souls of different age, so that some are young while some are perhaps old?

lies and false beliefs sounds nice to false jw mad max

of course they do, that's what you false jw's exist on

Maximus69:
they will still open threads on faceless social media to call out Jehovah's Witnesses

™false jw mad max

it is normal for christians to call out satans mob
and of course any who habitually lie as false jw's do belong to satan:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

vvv false jw org. claim to be the prophet of jehovah

Deu 18:22  When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him. 

false prophets would give the people false prophecies of doom and destruction, scaring the people
much like todays false prophets false jw org. who make many false prophecies of Jesus return etc.
and scaring people saying all but false jw's will be killed at armageddon
Jesus said don't be afraid of them, who knows he might have gone on to say: you won't be destroyed at the battle of that great day of God Almighty, but those false jw prophets will be

by the way the battle isn't called the battle of armageddon
armaggedon is a place in Israel some call har-medigo, it's near where the battle takes place
the battle is called: "the battle of that great day of God Almighty"
it is also called: "the day of the Lord"
it is also called: "
Joe_2:31  The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

Rev 16:14  For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. 
Rev 16:15  Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. 
Rev 16:16  And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. 




Zep_1:14  The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.

Zep_1:18  Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD'S wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.

Zep_2:3  Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger.

the Word - the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ know those of true faith
He does not know those who call Him: "a god", "a angel", many will say to him on that day:

Mat 7:22b Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 
Mat 7:23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Janosky:
Psalm 90:2..
"Before the mountains were born, before you gave birth to the earth and the world, from eternity to eternity, you are God."

** I have a question for you....
If " Jesus was born by God",
How did God born the mountains and "gave birth to the earth"?
Thanks.

oh duh dud duh, know nothing sieve for a brain
™lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

as for me, i have explained things like this to you before
 
things have to be taken in context, for instance
we know that the mountains were created by God, and not born of other mountains
and we know that Jesus was born of God and not created
because before He was born man He already eternally existed as the Word:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 


so so duh




Mat 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

™lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

Father calling Jesus "God" torments you greatly, it goes against what your mob tells you to believe
and so you change God's word in favour of satan's word

you change "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever"
to: "God is thy throne for ever and ever"
and all to deny the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ:

Mat_10:33  But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.











Heb 1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 
Heb 1:9  Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Mat 1:23  Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Joh 20:28  And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 
Joh 20:29  Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

^^^ when thomas called Jesus my Lord and my God
Jesus didn't rebuke him, but supported him: "because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed"

and so on

Janosky:
"Monday, March 4, 2013
Mar David Ignatius at 11:13 AM


by Bishop Jerry Hayes

The Oneness Answer





Vincent pg 390, vol4, Eerdmans.)
Mr A T Robertson

☩ Jerry L Hayes
(Mar David Ignatius)

™lying pharisee deceiver Janosky/OneJ

quote the things i say, and ask me about the things i say, oh fearful false jw
instead of running away and quoting what other know nothings like yourself say

Rev_21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Maximus69:
The only way to test every spirit is observe the fruitage as in the impact such teaching has on those accepting it! Matthew 7:15-20

If the teaching can't make one big happy family of peace loving worshipers from all nations as foretold in the scriptures {Isaiah 2:1-4} then it is NOT from God! James 2:18-26

™ false jw mad max

@bold, just read the posts of false jw's Janosky/OneJ and co
to see that they are not peace loving worshippers

@underline, and so i agree with you, false jw org is not from God

Janosky:
You are an evil man through and through.
Nothing Christ like or Christian about you .
Isaiah 54:17, My God,Jehovah of Armies, CONDEMNED your satanic utterance.
I stand on the SUPREME AUTHORITY OF LIVING WORD OF JEHOVAH MY GOD
& I REBUKE YOU, brocab, I JESUS NAME,
AMEN !!!!

™lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

a false jw who of course is without God living in him
couldn't rebuke a puppy dog

Mat_23:15  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

you end time false jw's are really twofold more the child of hell
than your pre false jw's, and God knows they were bad enough

Janosky:
"Monday, March 4, 2013
Mar David Ignatius at 11:13 AM
Answering Trinitarian Objections to the
Oneness Faith, Hebrews 1:8

by Bishop Jerry Hayes
@1))
. In this verse Trinitarians
feel they have finally found a place where
the Son of God is said to be God. Even,
more to the point: A place where the Father
calls the Son, God. Here is the quote:
“But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O
God, is forever and ever; A scepter of
righteousness is the scepter of Your
kingdom.” (Hebrews 1:

@2)
The Oneness Answer
Scripture must be interpreted in the light of
other Scriptures—there can be no
contradictions. The Scriptures state there
is but ONE God-person ( E.g. ‘Now see that
I, even I, am He, And there is no God
besides Me; see De. 32:39; Is 43:3,11;
44;6; 45:5,18,21,22; 46:5,9; Mk 12:29; 1
Ti 2:5; Ga3:20 ). We will call this truth:
“Bible Absolute Number One.” So, however
Hebrews 1:8 is interpreted, it must not, can
not, violate “Bible Absolute, Number One.”

@3)
If the Trinitarian interpretation is correct,
we have several huge problems:
A1.
There is more than one God-person,
which violates “Bible Absolute, Number
One;”

B2.
If the Trinitarian interpretation is correct
God has a God, and one God is anointed
by the other God; because v9 says,
“ Therefore God, Your God, has anointed
You...” And “Bible Absolute, Number
One” is violated.

C3.)
If the Trinitarian interpretation is correct
God has “fellows” (i.e. companions,
equals); “ Therefore God, Your God, has
anointed You With the oil of gladness
more than Your companions.” Notice
the “fellows” (KJV)
“companions” (NKJV) are plural, so, A
race of Gods? And “Bible Absolute,
Number One” is violated.

D4)

. It is the single text in the KJV that
seems to call the Son, God; to found a
doctrine on one text violates the Law of
Witnesses which requires more than
one (De 19:15)
The four items listed above are solid proof
that Trinitarianism does not have the
correct understanding of Hebrews 1:8.


They are violating the radical monotheism
of the Bible when they proclaim more that
ONE God-person.


Now, the question we should be asking
ourselves is, “How may Hebrews 1:8 be
interpreted without doing violence to
Scripture and, at the same time, hold the
integrity of OT monotheism, that God is but
ONE God-person.? The “Bible Absolute,
Number One.”
First, we may begin with acknowledging
that Hebrews 1:8 is a quote from the OT
(Ps 45:6-7); and is only half of the quote
which includes ver 9 of He ch 1. given
here:
Hebrews 1:8-9
But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O
God, is forever and ever; A scepter of
righteousness is the scepter of Your
kingdom. You have loved righteousness
and hated lawlessness; Therefore God,
Your God, has anointed You with the oil of
gladness more than Your companions.”
Second, we will acknowledge that the quote
concerns King David as verse 1 of Ps 45
attests: “ I recite my composition
concerning the King;... .”
Psalms 45:1, 6-7
My heart is overflowing with a good theme;
1. I recite my composition concerning the
King;
My tongue is the pen of a ready writer.
... 6. Your throne, O God, is forever and
ever; A scepter of righteousness is the
scepter of Your kingdom. 7 You love
righteousness and hate wickedness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed
You With the oil of gladness more than
Your companions.
Third, we will acknowledge that the Writer
of Hebrews applies the quote to the Son of
God. This would be in context with the Ps
45:1-7, because Jesus in the son of David
and David was a type of the Messiah
(Jesus). So, was David called God in Ps
45;1-7? And more importantly, Was the
Son of God called God in He 1:1-9?
Since this is an odd text, a difficult text, it
must be understood in the light of the clear
and plan texts concerning the person of
Christ.

***Scholars******
But also, the authority of the scholars may
help us:

"Vincent informs us that the
Hebrew text in Ps 45:67 may very
well be defective; and gives as
possible translations: “Thy throne
is a throne of God;” or “God is thy
throne.” (Word Studies in the NT,
Vincent pg 390, vol4, Eerdmans.)
Mr A T Robertson states “It is
uncertain...if the “ho theos” is
vocative ...or nominative.”
Possible translations; “God is thy
throne;” or “Thy throne is God.”
(Word Pictures in the NT, pg 399,
vol 5.)
The Gk reads: “pros de ton huion HO
thronos sou ho theos eis tov aiōna tou
aiōnos.”
The debated phrase is “ho
theos.” Is it “O God” or “the
God”
To interpret ho theos as “O God”
would be odd indeed and do violence to
the rest of Scripture.
So, according to the Greek, and the
scholars. the text reads:
“As to the Son, thy throne, the God is, from
age to age.” So, then, both David (who was
a type of the Son of God), and the actual
Son of God (who was the anti-type of
David and was in fact the son of David) are
both told that God is their throne"
This is the legal translation of the text
which removes all the problems that is
created by twisting it and making ho theos
“O God,” instead “the God.”

☩ Jerry L Hayes
(Mar David Ignatius)

extremely tormented ™lying pharisee deceiver Janosky/OneJ

you have made it clear that your jesus sit's on his father who is His throne

however the christian Jesus sits on the right hand of the Father:

Heb_1:3  Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

by the way, Jesus isn't literally sitting on His Fathers right hand, that needs to be said to you, laugh


Heb 1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 
Heb 1:9  Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Jesus throne and Fathers throne is the one and the same throne

just as Father and Jesus is the one and the same God:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.



there are not two gods as you polytheist false jw's believe
a almighty god the father and a mighty god jesus, ha ha ha





1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Janosky:
"Monday, March 4, 2013
Mar David Ignatius at 11:13 AM


by Bishop Jerry Hayes

The Oneness Answer





Vincent pg 390, vol4, Eerdmans.)
Mr A T Robertson

☩ Jerry L Hayes
(Mar David Ignatius)

™lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

oh fearful tormented one, how Father calling Jesus "God" so very much torments you, but don't worry
it so very much torments your god as well, your god wanted Father to call him god

truly God's word that i post and which torments you greatly also, is true. no amount of people agreeing with your false jw's false doctrines change that

1Jn_4:18  There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

johnw47:
Pro 8:22  The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

john agrees with proverbs(possessed):

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2  The same was in the beginning with God. 

"the LORD possessed me" = "the Word was with God"

johnw47:
Gen 1:1  In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Joh 1:3  All things were made by him(the Word); and without him was not any thing made that was made.




Gen 1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 





Gen 1:2  And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Psa 33:6  By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

Joh_20:22  And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

johnw47:
Mat 1:20  But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

the Holy Ghost is the Father of Jesus Christ

the Holy Ghost is not "a impersonal power - a thing - a it", but is God

johnw47:
Mat_7:7  Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

seek God and He will see that you find Him




Eph 2:8  For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

seekers - believers are saved by grace(by God) through His gift of faith,
salvation and faith is all off grace, it's all off God

Eph 2:9  Not of works, lest any man should boast. 

those who boast of their works, thinking they have faith by their works and are saved by them, fool themselves
God works in believers to prove and strenghten there faith, it is all God, it is not me me me me me, us us us us

Php 1:6  Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:


 Heb 12:2  Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

it is God - Jesus who gives us faith, eph 2:8, heb 12:2

eph 2:8 faith: it is the gift of God
heb 12:2 Jesus the author and finisher of our faith


of course false jw's have not that faith

Mat_7:7  Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

seek God and He will see that you find Him




Eph 2:8  For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

seekers - believers are saved by grace(by God) through His gift of faith,
salvation and faith is all off grace, it's all off God

Eph 2:9  Not of works, lest any man should boast. 

those who boast of their works, thinking they have faith by their works and are saved by them, fool themselves
God works in believers to prove and strenghten there faith, it is all God, it is not me me me me me, us us us us

Php 1:6  Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:


 Heb 12:2  Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

it is God - Jesus who gives us faith, eph 2:8, heb 12:2

eph 2:8 faith: it is the gift of God
heb 12:2 Jesus the author and finisher of our faith


of course false jw's have not that faith

Janosky:
***Johnw FRAUD, is a confirmed pathetic LIAR

Johnw FRAUD.

Janosky:
the fraud of Johnw FRAUD

Johnw FRAUD theorist.

Johnw FRAUD will still come here & LIE .

Johnw FRAUD are pathetic LIARS.

™lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

laughing, oh so so so tormented son of your daddy the devil

my three posts on God's word above has really put you over the edge

it was bound to happen, and will only get worse


Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Janosky:
"According to Bible scholar B. F.
Westcott , this is likely a Greek to
English mistranslation, not a Hebrew to
Greek mistranslation. Based on the
context of the verse, he believes a better
rendering would be: "God is Thy throne"
or "Thy throne is God" .
He says (bold mine, italics original):
The LXX. admits of two
renderings: [ho the·osʹ] can be
taken as a vocative in both cases
(Thy throne, O God, . . . therefore,
O God, Thy God . . . ) or it can be
taken as the subject (or the
predicate) in the first case (God is
Thy throne, or Thy throne is God .
. . ), and in apposition to [ho
the·osʹ sou] in the second case
(Therefore God, even Thy God . .
. ). . . . It is scarcely possible that
[’Elo·himʹ] in the original can be
addressed to the king. The
presumption therefore is against
the belief that [ho the·osʹ] is a
vocative in the LXX. Thus on the
whole it seems best to adopt in
the first clause the rendering: God
is Thy throne (or, Thy throne is
God), that is ‘Thy kingdom is
founded upon God, the immovable
Rock.’
— The Epistle to the Hebrews
(London, 1889), pp. 25, 26."

# FACT of the Matter
***Johnw FRAUD, is a confirmed pathetic LIAR while carm.org is very intellectually dishonest Trinity apologist and pathetic LIAR.

** Carm.org falsely claims "there is no grammatical requirement for "God is your throne", which he admitted is a " legitimate way" to render Hebrew 1:8 in Greek.
Lying pharisee speaking from both sides of his mouth.
Nothing honest about carm.org & Johnw FRAUD.

Janosky:
1,)
RSV ,IGNT, NWT,GNTA and many others translated Hebrew 1:8 correctly, not the fraud of Johnw FRAUD and carm.org.

2)
Johnw FRAUD theorist, & carm.org ,dey LIE korokoro....
carm.org says " God is your throne" is one "legitimate way" for the Greek translation of Hebrew 1:8.
carm.org says "most bible translators admit 'God is your throne' it's the best translation".
Johnw FRAUD will still come here & LIE .

*****@3)
Rev3:21 Jesus Christ says it's my Father's throne".
1 Chro29:23. Psalms 93:2. Lamentation 5:19 are in Concord with Jesus Christ.
carm.org & Johnw FRAUD are pathetic LIARS.

™lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

laughing, i have shown you more than once that
"God is your throne" is wrong, God is not a throne oh so duh one

"Thy throne O God" is of course correct as i showed


but you are so tormented, and deservedly so , that's what your daddy does for you:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.