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Mat 1:20  But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

the Holy Ghost is the Father of Jesus Christ

the Holy Ghost is not "a impersonal power - a thing - a it", but is God

Gen 1:1  In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Joh 1:3  All things were made by him(the Word); and without him was not any thing made that was made.




Gen 1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 





Gen 1:2  And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Psa 33:6  By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

Joh_20:22  And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

Pro 8:22  The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

john agrees with proverbs(possessed):

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2  The same was in the beginning with God. 

"the LORD possessed me" = "the Word was with God"

Maximus69:
there still remains one religious group that's standing tall and the members are zealously and faithfully keeping to the teachings of their own leaders!
Jehovah's Witnesses keep waxing strong and the whole world can see that this organization is penetrating all nations, making strong disciples and loyal worshippers for their god.

yes indeed, satanism in all it's forms is growing world wide in these last days


Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Maximus69:
While all other religious groups are having problems maintaining their oneness, all their members are advocating for none~denominationalism.

™false jw mad max

members of all religious groups are adevocating for none~denominationalism, REALLY?

you cannot say the truth even more so than other false jw's, and just like your father and god the devil:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Hab 2:4  Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

the just shall live by faith in the work Christ has done, false jw's live by their own human performance

look how preety we dress
look how we meet together
look how we we we we we we





sectarians and other false religion people
believe all the lies they are told to believe
and they in turn pass those lies onto others
and so we have a world of much false beliefs
much false religion from the false jw's and
from the morons, etc.

when a person becomes a believer in Christ, one of the first things he does
is to become truthful, like the Lord is truthful
the Lord Jesus is "the truth"

Joh_14:6  Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.




when false jw's becomes a believer of their elders and witchpower, one on the first things he does
is to become a non stop liar, like his god satan is a liar
their god satan is the father of lies:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Maximus69:
he kept accusing and cursing us repeatedly
So Janosky is responding to johnw47 the way Jesus responded to Pharisees

however the truth is, that you and janosky/OneJ
first posted to me, and with bad mouths

but such is you a habitual liar, like your father and god:

Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father.

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


you think God doesn't see:

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Maximus69:


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just look at the twisting - lying of the false jw's, to deny that Father and the Word is God, john 1:1
and making God a liar
false jw's cannot say the truth for any reason
they twist and lie habitually because lying is inbuilt in them from their father the devil:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

the truth that the pic should say:

1. Father God asked God the Word to go to earth to save man
2. God the Word agreed with His Father God
3. and agreed with His Father God to offer Himself
4. Lord Jesus prayed to His Father God and glorified His Father God repeatedly
5. Lord Jesus strengthened Himself and talked to His Father God
6. Lord Jesus was sacrificed proving His loyalty to His Father God
7. Lord Jesus was resurrected and exalted His Father God above Himself
8. then He sat on His Father God's right hand
9. the Word the Lord Jesus Christ turns His kingdom over to His Father God


Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 

Joh_5:23  That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

1Jn 2:23  Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.




the pic shows the extreme evil of the false jw's denying God
they are the devil's kiddies:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Maximus69:
Janosky, Barrister, OneJ and a host of my brothers

™false jw mad max
you cannot see that Janosky and OneJ is the same poster
but then you false jw's are blinded as bats:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

there are not two god's like polytheist false jw's believe in
a mighty god jesus and a almighty god the father

Mighty God and Almighty God are names - titles describing the one true God:

Gen_17:1  And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty(shadday) God walk before me, and be thou perfect.

Psa 132:5  until I provide a place for the LORD, a home for the Mighty(abiyr) God of Jacob.

run run run run runaway

™lie lie knows that song

Barristter07:
" through" and " Buy " means he was just an agent . this is why no one is his son.

But everyone is a son of the father, Creator

™lie lie barrister

you say: "He was Just an agent". you false jw's are the great deniers
you have not the son, and so you have not the Father also


"For by him were all things created", means he created all things, you are so duh, how could anything be any clearer

"All things were made through him", shows Father and the Word is the creator, and john 1:1 shows that Father and the Word is God

1Jn_2:23  Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Barristter07:
If Jesus is a creator, who are his sons ?

lie lie barrister

if Jesus is a creator? laugh

Joh 1:3  All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Col 1:16  For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 
Col 1:17  And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 


you have asked these before and i have showed you
more than once
now go and look for them and read them
you hear me now, get to it

now don't go running away again for a week or so
just because you have nothing but your same repeated
dribble, continue with your dribble now

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

™ lying pharisee deceiver false jw janosky/OneJ

here is a few comments from carm at the link you gave to support your position, laugh


quote:
Yet, most Bibles do not translate it the way the New World Translation does.

First, Heb. 1:8 is a quote from Psalm 45:6, which says,
"Thy Throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Thy Kingdom"

In fact, the ASV, KJV, NIV, and NKJV all translated it as "Your throne, O God . . . "

The KJV, NIV, and NASB all take the verse in its plain,
straightforward sense, as do the ancient translations . . . "

Clearly, this section of Hebrews is proclaiming that Jesus is God. Therefore, contextually, it is best to translate Heb. 1:8 as, "Thy Throne, O God. . ." and the Father call Jesus God.

The Watchtower organization denies that Jesus is God. Therefore, it cannot permit any verses in the Bible to even hint that Jesus is God. That is why they choose a translation that does not best fit the context or overall theology of the Bible.
/quote



you can read the full article here:

Janosky:
https://carm.org/heb-18-and-psalm-456-god-thy-throne

Janosky:
Carm.org
**1

"Heb. 1:8 and Psalm 45:6, "God is thy throne."
Your Throne O God"But with reference to the Son: 'God is your throne forever and ever, and [the] scepter of your kingdom is the scepter of uprightness'" The New World Translation.

In this particularly interesting verse, God is addressing the Son. The Greek construction of Hebrews 1:8 allows the text to be translated in two legitimate ways:

"God is your throne forever and ever . . . "

(**1) my comments...
"God is your throne forever and ever . . . " is the legitimate translation of Psalms 45:6 in Hebrew language to Greek language of Hebrews 1:8.
@ no time was any human Israelite King called God in the entire Bible.
Not even in Psalms 45:6.
(Prove me wrong,if you can).

NWT. "God is your throne" the best translation"
similar to
NRSV margin"Your throne is a throne of
God"
TEV"The kingdom that God has given you"
NJB"Your throne is from God"
JPSOA, RSV"Your divine throne"
REB"God has enthroned you"
NEB"Your throne is like God's throne"
Compare Lam5:19,Psalms93:2, 1Chro29:23, Jesus says it is his Father's throne,Rev3:21.")

*2
"Thy Throne O God, is forever and ever . . . "

Because of the Watchtower presupposition that Jesus is not God, they choose the first version; otherwise, the Father would be calling Jesus God, and that goes against Jehovah's Witness theology. Yet, most Bibles do not translate it the way the New World Translation does. They choose the other way. Why? Two reasons.

First, Heb. 1:8 is a quote from Psalm 45:6, which says,

"Thy Throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Thy Kingdom" (All Bible quotes are from the NASB).

In fact, the ASV, KJV, NIV, and NKJV all translated it as "Your throne, O God . . . "

(**2) my comments..
Carm.org FRAUD claims in **2... Lie,lie Pharisees

PROOF:
Carm.org and Johnw FRAUD are pathetic, pathological LIARS.



**3
The RSV translates it as "Your divine throne endures for ever and ever," "but this is a highly unlikely translation because it requires understanding the Hebrew noun for "throne" in construct state, something extremely unusual when a noun has a pronominal suffix, as this one does . . . The KJV, NIV, and NASB all take the verse in its plain, straightforward sense, as do the ancient translations . . . ""

( ***3)my comments...
"The RSV translates it as "Your divine throne endures for ever and ever," "because it requires understanding the Hebrew noun for "throne" , CONCRETE PROOF RSV and NWT are AUTHENTIC rendition of Psalms 45:6.
Both are in Concord with Hebrew language grammatical requirements.

**#* Carm.org ***4 is a FRAUD. Carm.org no get shame at all.
Intellectually dishonesty at It's peak.

**4
When we look at the Hebrew, we see that there is no grammatical requirement for this translation though it is considered to be the best translation by most translators.

*(*4) My comments..
Carm.org says (*@1) "The Greek construction of Hebrews 1:8 allows the text to be translated in two legitimate ways:

"God is your throne forever and ever . ." . (similar rendition in NWT).
Why is it "considered to be the best translation by most translators"?
Because it is exactly the Greek translation of the Hebrew language in Psalms 45:6.))

***4
Carm.org says "When we look at the Hebrew, we see that there is no grammatical requirement for this translation"

(**4) my comments...
Carm.org FRAUD claims of **4.

Why would Bible translators consider "God is your throne forever and ever . ." . (similar rendition in NWT) " to be the best translation"?
Because there is NO conflict with It's Hebrew equivalent of Psalms 45:6.))

**5
In and of itself, this is not conclusive because the context of this verse in Psalm 45 is dealing with a king which would make one wonder why he would be addressed as God; but, it is not uncommon for NT writers to take a verse in the OT that seemingly deals with one subject and apply it to another. They knew something we didn't."

In fact, in Ezekiel 28:12-17 is a section that deals with the fall of the devil"

(*4) My comments..
** the devil was in the garden of Eden. Yes.
But,Which human King of Israel is God?
None at all.
Carm.org is a liar.
A FRAUD just like his prodigy on NL .).

™lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

poor extremely tormented, and so very confused like your daddy

laugh, you are the one who quoted from carm
but now that you see most of the article is
against your false jw belief, you are now
enraged against carm


i doubt very much that mr carm views this forum, but try reading what he said again
the parts showing you false jw's to be wrong are a interisting read


i will post it again for you

Janosky:
Carm.org

@ no time was any human Israelite King called God in the entire Bible.
Not even in Psalms 45:6.
(Prove me wrong,if you can).

™lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ
of course you don't believe God's word making Him a liar

Jesus the human King of Israeli was called God many times in the entire bible

psa 45:6 is cited in heb 1:8 and applies to Jesus human King of Israel - God

Jesus human King of Israel is called God here:
Psa 45:6  Your throne, O God, is forever and ever. The scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of uprightness;

Jesus human King of Israel is called God here:
Heb 1:8  But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.

Jesus human King of Israel is called God here:
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Jesus human King of Israel is called God here:
Joh 20:28  Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

Jesus human King of Israel is called God here:
Isa 9:6  For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Jesus human King of Israel is called God here:
Tit 2:13  waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 
Tit 2:14  who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works.

and so on







Joh_1:49  Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

Joh_12:13  Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

 

 

Janosky: (**2) my comments..
Carm.org FRAUD claims in **2... Lie,lie Pharisees

PROOF:
Carm.org and Johnw FRAUD are pathetic, pathological LIARS.

so you keep saying - lying in your very very great confusion;

1Co_14:33  For God is not a God of confusion but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints



you way heap big false accuser like your daddy:

Rev 12:10  And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Janosky:
Luke3:38 Adam is God's son.
Based on wacky mumu logic, Which woman did God mate with?

God of course never mated with a woman, God made adam from the earth:
Gen 2:7a  And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground

Janosky: Adam is a Spirit in a human body.

adam was made a soul, God gave him breath - spirit - life, he was then a living soul
Gen 2:7b and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Janosky: Adam is God jare.

adam is man:
Gen_2:23  And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

Janosky: Mary sef come born God, mother of God.

mary bore flesh - the son of God, john 1:14 the word became flesh
His Eternal Spirit is God the Word, john 1:1
and in fact He - God the Word created marys first human father adam

Jesus is both God and man for those who believe God's word
you who don't make Him a liar

truly God has no mother






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lying pharisee deceiver
forever mocking God's word making Him a liar

Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father.

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Maximus69:
Janosky, Barrister, OneJ and a host of my brothers out their love johnw47

sickeningly pathetic self righteousness

Maximus69:
Janosky, Barrister, OneJ and a host of my brothers out their love johnw47

how sickeningly pathetic

Janosky:
Shut up your mouth

you false jw's are habitual liars, you cannot stop lying post after post
showing without any doubt that you are truly off your father the devil
everyone can see that, but of course he your god has blinded you to it:

Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father.

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

lying pharisee deceiver janosky/OneJ

you don't believe in God the Word, you deny the Lord calling Him "a god"

you don't believe in God the Holy Spirit, you deny God, calling Him "a impersonable power"



Isa 9:6  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

truly, "The mighty God" and "a god" don't equate
but such is your perverted nwt and the gullibility of you false jw's





Mat 12:32  And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

you can speak against Jesus the man and get away with it if you repent
but speaking against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven - shows the Holy Spirit is God

more showing the Holy spirit is God:

Act 5:1  But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, 
Act 5:2  And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet. 
Act 5:3  But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 
Act 5:4  Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. 
Act 5:5  And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. 
Act 5:6  And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him. 
Act 5:7  And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in. 
Act 5:8  And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much. 
Act 5:9  Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out. 
Act 5:10  Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.

@bold, the Holy Spirit is God

lying pharisee jano/onej

you have run away again

™ lying pharisee deceiver false jw janosky/OneJ

the link you gave to carm is interesting, you should have posted their full article


CARM:

Heb. 1:8 and Psalm 45:6, "God is thy throne."

"But with reference to the Son: 'God is your throne forever and ever, and [the] scepter of your kingdom is the scepter of uprightness'" The New World Translation.

In this particularly interesting verse, God is addressing the Son. The Greek construction of Hebrews 1:8 allows the text to be translated in two legitimate ways:

"God is your throne forever and ever . . .
and
"Thy Throne O God, is forever and ever . . . "

Because of the Watchtower presupposition that Jesus is not God, they choose the first version; otherwise, the Father would be calling Jesus God, and that goes against Jehovah's Witness theology. Yet, most Bibles do not translate it the way the New World Translation does. They choose the other way. Why? Two reasons.

First, Heb. 1:8 is a quote from Psalm 45:6, which says,

"Thy Throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Thy Kingdom" (All Bible quotes are from the NASB).

In fact, the ASV, KJV, NIV, and NKJV all translated it as "Your throne, O God . . . " The RSV translates it as "Your divine throne endures for ever and ever," "but this is a highly unlikely translation because it requires understanding the Hebrew noun for "throne" in construct state, something extremely unusual when a noun has a pronominal suffix, as this one does . . . The KJV, NIV, and NASB all take the verse in its plain, straightforward sense, as do the ancient translations . . . "

When we look at the Hebrew, we see that there is no grammatical requirement for this translation though it is considered to be the best translation by most translators. In and of itself, this is not conclusive because the context of this verse in Psalm 45 is dealing with a king which would make one wonder why he would be addressed as God; but, it is not uncommon for NT writers to take a verse in the OT that seemingly deals with one subject and apply it to another. They knew something we didn't. In fact, in Ezekiel 28:12-17 is a section that deals with the fall of the devil. Verse 13 describes how he was in the garden of Eden. Verse 14 says he was the anointed cherub, (v. 15), etc., but the context of this section begins with an address to the king of Tyre (v. 12). Yet, right after Ezekiel is told to write to the King of Tyre, he then goes on to describe what the great majority of theologians agree with--a description of the devil's fall. So, we need to look at the context into which the writer of Hebrews put Psalm 45:6. He addressed it to Jesus. Therefore, Psalm 45 is a Messianic Psalm and must in interpreted in light of the NT not the other way around.

Nevertheless, the context of this verse follows:

"For to which of the angels did He ever say, "Thou are My son, Today I have begotten Thee"? And again, "I will be a Father to Him, and He shall be a Son to Me"? 6And when he again brings the first-born into the world, He says, "And let all the angels of God worship Him." 7And of the angels He says "Who makes His angels winds, and His ministers a flame of fire." 8But of the Son He says, "Thy Throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom, 9Thou hast loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; therefore God, Thy God, hath anointed Thee with the oil of gladness above Thy companions. 10And, "Thou, Lord, in the beginning didst lay the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the works of Thy hands; 11They will perish, but though remainest . . . " (Heb. 1:5-11).

To say "God is your throne" doesn't make sense. What does it mean to say, "But to which of the angels did he say, God is your throne." What would that mean? Is God, Jesus' throne? God alone is on His throne, and He isn't a throne for anyone else.

Also worth noting here is verse 10: "Thou, Lord, in the beginning didst lay the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the works of Thy hands . . . " This is a quote from Psalm 102:24-25 which says, "I say, 'O my God, do not take me away in the midst of my days, Thy years are throughout all generations. 25Of old Thou didst found the earth; And the heavens are the work of Thy hands.'" Clearly, God is the one being addressed in Psalm 102. It is God who laid the foundations of the earth. Yet, in Heb. 1:10, Jesus is called 'Lord' and is said to be the one who laid the foundation of the earth. This becomes even more interesting when we note that in Isaiah 44:24 it says, "Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, "I, the Lord, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself, And spreading out the earth all alone." If God was laying the foundations of the earth alone, that would mean that either Jesus has to be God, second person of the Trinity, who laid the foundation the same as YHWH did; or we have a contradiction in the Bible. Clearly, this section of Hebrews is proclaiming that Jesus is God. Therefore, contextually, it is best to translate Heb. 1:8 as, "Thy Throne, O God. . ." and the Father call Jesus God.

The Watchtower organization denies that Jesus is God. Therefore, it cannot permit any verses in the Bible to even hint that Jesus is God. That is why they choose a translation that does not best fit the context or overall theology of the Bible.

Janosky:
You mean your God the word sits with his Father on the throne of God his Father...

laughing, forever confused ™lying pharisee deceiver false jw janosky/OneJ

"God the Word sits with His Father on the throne of God""

"He sits with His Father on the throne of God"

^^^ that is what i said, just like the verses i posted show, oh confused lying twister, smile

Janosky: Proof: Your 'God' the word is NOT the same Being as God his own Father.....
Revelation 3:21, straight to the point.

ha ha ha, God the Word certainally is not the same person as God His Father
they are both God though:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Janosky: ** In Jesus name, I COMMAND you Johnw , to receive sense, AMEN. !!!!!!!!
Case closed.

so confused know nothing, all you have is your fantasies

Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father.

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Janosky:
www.angelfire.com/space/thegospeltruth/TTD/verses/hebrews1_8.html

The Trinity delusion....

"The Greek Grammar and
Intentional Translation Bias
Concerning Hebrews 1:8,
Trinitarian apologists are
somewhat pretentious and would
have you believe their "O God"
translation is the only possible
translation. So they always
cherry pick the vocative "O God"
translation for their apologetic
agenda.* However, Trinitarian
Greek translation scholars openly
admit the Greek grammar does
indeed allow for a different
translation. Trinitarian scholars
admit that "God is your throne
(or Your throne is God) is
grammatically correct (see
Robertson or Westcott for
example). Some of these
scholars also concede that it
makes theological sense. This is
also evidenced by a review of
various major translations. The
RSV translates Psalm 45:6 as
"Your divine throne endures
forever and ever." The NRSV
footnote for Psalm 45:6 reads,
"Your throne is a throne of God"
and the Hebrews 1:8 footnote
reads, "God is your throne."
(Note: * Some grammarians have
even argued that the vocative is
an artificial category created by
translators. In other words, they
argue that it is a category which
is an English speaking
convention which would have
never been conceived in a Koine
Greek speaker's mind.)
The word "throne" in Scripture
With the exception of a few
informed scholars, Trinitarians
generally seem to dismiss the
"God is your throne," or "Your
throne is God," translation
because they can't imagine how
God could be Jesus Christ's
throne. Some even conclude this
is silly because, they object, it
would have God being used as
Jesus' chair (throne). However,
the ignorance is actually their
own. The problem is that they
are equating the word "throne"
with a chair to sit upon. This
notion comes from ignorance
concerning the use of the word
"throne" in the Scripture.
David and Solomon sat on "the
throne of Yahweh" (1 Chronicles
29:23; 2 Chronicles 9: over the
Kingdom of God (1 Chronicles
28:5).. This does not mean they
sat on God's chair in heaven. To
sit on a throne means one
assumes the authority signified
by that throne. When David and
Solomon sat on the throne of
Yahweh it meant they were given
the right to execute the authority
of God's throne over the nation of
Israel, that is, God's authority
over Israel. "

carm.org, A Trinitarian and the non Trinitarian, angelfire.com both agreed that "God is your throne " is legitimate way to translate Hebrew 1:8.
Johnw FRAUD theorist, eleyi ogidigaan of falsehood.

™lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

you search online for others that agree with you

i will stick with God's word(most all translations) that: "Thy throne, O God" is the proper translation
and not the nwt "God is your throne" - it is certainly not proper plain english
but you can trust the perverted nwt to confuse any words showing where Father calls Jesus "O God"



i saw your mistake in posting that link
you can't even get that right
seeing that you posted the carm article you must agree with it
you must agree that another
way of translating that verse referring to Jesus is:

"Thy Throne O God, is forever and ever . . . "

or perhaps you just pick and choose what to believe as you do with God's word

CARM: "God is your throne forever and ever . . .
and
"Thy Throne O God, is forever and ever . . . "

Because of the Watchtower presupposition that Jesus is not God, they choose the first version; otherwise, the Father would be calling Jesus God, and that goes against Jehovah's Witness theology. Yet, most Bibles do not translate it the way the New World Translation does. They choose the other way.

you seem to think that anglefire and carm are infallable
i don't, but much of what carm says on that page you linked to is correct, isn't it?

Janosky:
The gospel account of Acts ,shows Christ followers were one,meeting together to encourage one another in the truth"

Whom do you Johnw Pharisee meeting together with?
You Pharisee wey dey disobey Jesus Christ.

™lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

laughing, oh know nothing false accuser

i meet with other christians and discuss God's Word and of course encourage one another

while you false jw remain just like your daddy:

Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Janosky:
Shut up your mouth,shameless Johnw FRAUD theorist.

"The Greek construction
of Hebrews 1:8 allows the text to be
translated in two legitimate ways:
"God is your throne forever and ever"
https://carm.org/heb-18-and-psalm-456-god-thy-throne.

"God is your throne" is a legitimate way to translate Hebrew 1:8.
BTW, you are a sheeple of carm.org., your Trinitarian mentor whose works you always use without giving him credit.
You can't afford to disown him now..

poor tormented ™lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

you have nothing at all so you post the same things twice and more in fact
refer to other post for reply to that

Janosky: You claim "Father and Jesus is God".

yes i certainly do claim that Father and the Word is God

Janosky: Therefore, "God sits with His Father on the throne of God"

therefor God the Word sits with His Father on the throne of God

Janosky: Johnw FRAUD theorist, why you dey shift your own goal post?
Is your Jesus not God ?

oh so confused know nothing
yes the Word is God:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
there are many more verses showing that Jesus is God if you would like me to post them yet again

and He sits with His Father on the throne of God:

Mar_16:19  So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Janosky:
Shut up your mouth,shameless Johnw FRAUD theorist.

"The Greek construction
of Hebrews 1:8 allows the text to be
translated in two legitimate ways:
"God is your throne forever and ever"
https://carm.org/heb-18-and-psalm-456-god-thy-throne.

"God is your throne" is a legitimate way to translate Hebrew 1:8.

™lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

that link isn't working, fix it

really know nothing, Jesus doesn't sit on His Father

this sounds right and makes sense:

Heb 1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

this sounds weird and deletes Father calling Jesus "O God"

Heb 1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne is God, for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Janosky: BTW, you are a sheeple of carm.org., your Trinitarian mentor whose works you always use without giving him credit.
You can't afford to disown him now..

paranoid false jw, i haven't visited carm in months, maybe longer
and i haven't posted many articles from there, although they are probably worth posting

paranoia isn't from God you know
but it is from your god:

1Jn_4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father.

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Janosky:
They can only resort to diversionary tactic and name calling.

™lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ
the below are just a couple from this one page, laugh
false jw's are such pharisee hypocrites

Janosky:
Brocab LIAR ....

Janosky:
FRAUD man,

LIE,LIE,

mumu FRAUD

Mat 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

Mat 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.



Mat_23:15  Mat_23:15  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Maximus69:
When they see Jehovah's Witnesses having rock solid FAITH they're puzzled

™false jw mad max, truly theres nothing puzzling about your rock solid faith in your god satan
through your elders and witchpower


^^^ one puffed up of satans mob feeding another vvv

Janosky:
Johnw FRUAD, brocab and the Trinity crew are afraid of the truth and get scared that JWs have the boldness and the solid evidences to expose their falsehood.
They can only resort to diversionary tactic and name calling.
Forward ever, you witnesses of Jehovah.
Jesus Christ is our Messiah and Examplar.
Hallelujah ( means Praise Jehovah... for those who don't know.) !!!!
My Brother Maximus69,
Shalom

ha ha ha ha, we are so scared of your boldness
laughing, poor tormrnted ™lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ


so so so puffed up ones


Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father.

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Janosky:
"God sits at the right hand of His Father on the throne of God".
Johnw , True or False?
Oya, give your answer
^^^

how duh can one be, ™lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

how many times do i have to say it, of course it's true
and of course it's not true that "Father is Jesus throne" as you false jw have been saying
Jesus doesn't sit on His Father but on the right hand of His Father, oh most duh one
by the way, one more time, Jesus doesn''t literally sit on His Fathers right hand
i have to say it again because your confusion is enormous:

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Janosky: "God is your throne" (Hebrew/Greek meaning ) God's throne is your throne .
Hebrew and Greek are original languages of the holy Scriptures.
Hebrew & Greek Bible writers never thought in English...
The meaning of that phrase in Hebrew and Greek determines it's meaning in English.

Don't TWIST the holy writ.

lying twister of God's Word, making God a liar

"god is your throne" clearly doesn't mean "God's throne is your throne"
in the first saying: "God is a throne", in the second saying: "God's throne is Jesus throne"

"God's throne is your throne" is correct and is the same as i have been saying, "Jesus sits with His Father on the throne of God"

you have been saying "God is your throne"
you have finally discovered that what i have been saying is true
but you cannot admit it and you are doing the lets twist again on it
but twisting is what you do best you way heap big fraud

Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father.

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Janosky:
John17:20,21, is Johnw FRAUD doctrine in agreement with the prayer of Jesus Christ ?

"Joh 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but
for them also which shall believe on me
through their word;
Joh 17:21 That they all may be one; as
thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that
they also may be one in us: that the world
may believe that thou hast sent me."

laughing, oh know nothing ™lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

Jesus is praying for all that believe on Him and others that believe on Him through their word
they are all one in faith no matter where they are, or what their church is called, oh so duh one
and of course the Lord isn't praying for those who say the Lord is "a god" , ha ha ha

Janosky: ** Hebrews 10:25
"And let us not neglect our meeting together, as some people do, but encourage one another, especially now that
the day of his return is drawing near."


Johnw FRAUD doctrine against the holy Bible. Hebrew 10:25,says are very ALLERGIC to the truth.

many churches meet together and encourage one another in the truth

even you pharisee satans mob meet and encourage each other in your evil ways:

Mat 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and[b] Pharisees, hypocrites![/b] for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

Mat 23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.