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The Holy Spirit is God


God who is a Spirit, john 4:24, is the Father of Jesus Christ, and mary who is flesh is the mother of Jesus Christ
Jesus Christ is both God and man


Mat 1:20  But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

^^^ we know that Father God is the Father of Jesus Christ, and the above verse shows that the Holy spirit is the father of Jesus Christ
which = the Father is God - the Holy Spirit is God



and so God the Holy Spirit Fathered Jesus the Christ, who is God the Word, john 1:1, made flesh



^^^ Father is God, The Holy Spirit is God, The Word become Jesus Christ is God

Mat 28:19  Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

believers are to be baptized in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost
by the authority of these three divine persons who were present at Jesus baptism
so the persons baptized has faith in each divine person
hence a confirmation of the doctrine of the trinity
there are three persons, but one name, but one God, into which believers are baptized
and a proof of the true deity both of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost
and that Christ, as the Son of God, is God; since baptism is administered equally in the name of all three
as a religious ordinance, which would never be in the name of a creature.

blueAgent:
Are you trying to run away from my simple questions?

Only a yes or No will do.

what a duh question from a confused one of no understanding
Father and the Word is God, john 1:1
if Father God didn't exist, of course God the Word wouldn't exist, nothing wouldn't exist without God-Father and the Word

blueAgent:
Lie.
God has clear told us that Jesus is his literal Son.

laughing, poor beelzebubAgent of no understanding thinks trinity doesn't believe that Jesus is Father's Son, ha ha ha

blueAgent:
btw, i don't believe the Son is the Father, i believe Father
and Son is two persons in God, as in john 1:1
read your post and see how there is no one more duh than
you.

Really? from trinity to two persons in God, what do we call your own doctrine twinity ?

what confusion, john 1:1 doesn't mention Holy Spirit oh confused beelzebubAgent of no understanding, laugh

blueAgent:
Let me bust your bubble.

This Bible verses prove that the disciples did not baptize in the name of the father ,Son and Holy Spirit.

of course beelzebubAgent doesn't believe God's word and would change it

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

blueAgent:
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blueAgent:
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beelzebubAgent, you know i wont waste time any more explaining anything to you a sewer mouth false accuser
who has absolutely no understanding, with lies and confusion

i may occasionally show up some of your non understanding, lies, and confusion
not just now in these posts though, there is way to much non understanding, lies, and confusion in them

Mat_7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Janosky:
Johnw MUMU FRAUD of a PHARISEE, LIE LIE CROOK..

Johnw MUMU FRAUD THEORY

your FRAUD can't change it..



Johnw MUMU FRAUD man

FRAUD man MUMU johnw Pharisee.....
Ogidigan of Falsehood..

ha ha ha

poor tormented lying pharisee™ deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

laughing still

Janosky:
Johnw MUMU FRAUD of a PHARISEE, LIE LIE CROOK..
"Pro 8:22  The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, "
proverbs doesn't say wisdom is a creature.. God of course posessed wisdom before He did any works at all,




,Genesis 14:19
HEB: לְאֵ֣ל עֶלְי֔וֹן קֹנֵ֖ה שָׁמַ֥יִם וָאָֽרֶץ׃
NAS: Most High, Possessor of heaven
KJV: God, possessor of heaven
INT: God Most Possessor of heaven and
earth
Genesis 14:22
HEB: אֵ֣ל עֶלְי֔וֹן קֹנֵ֖ה שָׁמַ֥יִם וָאָֽרֶץ׃
NAS: Most High, possessor of heaven
KJV: God, the possessor of heaven
INT: God Most possessor of heaven and
earth"

*** Genesis 14:19,22, Based on Johnw MUMU FRAUD THEORY, Yahweh "possessed" Heaven, Yahweh NEVER created heaven.....

Gen 14:19  And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: 
Gen 14:20  And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all. 
Gen 14:21  And the king of Sodom said unto Abram, Give me the persons, and take the goods to thyself. 
Gen 14:22  And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth,

laugh, oh know nothing lying pharisee™ deceiver false jw Janosky/Onej
forever repeating your confusion over and over again

qanah-posessed can mean many things, accordind to the subject, for example it can mean, possess, own, create, and more
in the verses 19 and 22 above, qanah means: owner of heaven and earth
in proverbs it means the same thing: owner-posessor of wisdom, oh confused one of no understanding

Janosky: Proverbs 8:22-30, is a creature of God personified as wisdom, (1 Cor 1:24,gives his identifiy to be Jesus), your FRAUD can't change it..

oh blinded mumu, proverbs 8 is not a created creature but God's wisdom-His Word
i have clearly explained that to you more than once and with scriptures
but alas you cannot see:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Janosky: Col 1:15. King James Bible
(Jesus) who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature"
Col 1:15 (KJV) is beyond twisting.

laughing, Jesus is the firstborn, not the first created, He already existed before becoming man
He already existed in God before becominga seperate person to God(Father)

it's all explained with verses go back and read them, but understand and believe them, ha ha, laughing again

Janosky: Johnw MUMU FRAUD man says
"the Word no longer only eternally exists in the Father, but now outside of Him(a seperate Person).
He say " Jesus exist in the Father", that is , Jesus been get house inside him Father.... Lol
FRAUD man MUMU johnw Pharisee.....
Ogidigan of Falsehood..

so funny how you lot understand nothing at all

truly wisdom-the Word always existed in God, there was never a time that God(Father) was without wisdom,
was without His Word, oh most duh one

Mat 28:19  Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:


i posted a very good short section of a commentary showing that: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is indeed God
in fact three times i posted it, and three times it was deleted
perhaps a mod is a false jw or some other Father, Son and Holy Spirit hater

blueAgent:
The Bible says
when Jesus appears that He will show, “who is the blessed and only Potentate,
the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone has immortality, dwelling in
unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and
everlasting power. ” 1 Timothy 6:15-16 .
This can only be our Heavenly Father

so confused beelzebubAgent of absolutely no understanding

1timothy certainly is about the Father being King of kings and Lord of lords:
1Ti_6:15  Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

and rev 17 is about The Word(Jesus) being King of Kings and Lord of lords:
Rev_17:14  These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Father and Son being King of kings and Lord of lords = Father and the Word(Jesus) is God:
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

[quote author=Janosky post=]Bible > Topical > Beget
◄ Beget3. ( v. t. ) To produce as an
effect; to cause to exist. Compare
John5:26. Col1:15.


Jehovah CAUSED Jesus TO EXIST", Yes Jesus Christ was created before the founding of the world. That's the exact meaning of his Father beget Jesus.
Jesus says his Father granted life to him. John5:26.



Johnw MUMU FRAUD of a PHARISEE, receive sense....


John1:3, is clear that Yahweh created the world THROUGH Jesus.[/quote][quote author=Janosky post=]Bible > Topical > Beget
◄ Beget3. ( v. t. ) To produce as an
effect; to cause to exist. Compare
John5:26. Col1:15.[/quote]confused lying pharisee™ deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ of no understanding
you repeat the same things over and over again because you have no honest reply to the truths i post with scriptures

those verses don't show that the Word - Jesus Christ was created, the truth is He existed before He became man and He existed in God before God(Father) bought Him forth as a seperate person to Himself, read my posts it's all been said and with scriptures oh most duh confused understand nothing mumu brain

Joh 5:26  For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself.

the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself
the Word no longer only eternally exists in the Father, but now outside of Him(a seperate person), now having life in Himself as father does, oh most duh one

Col 1:15  He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

He is the first and only begotten, not the first created, oh one of as much understanding as the op

Janosky: Jehovah CAUSED Jesus TO EXIST", Yes Jesus Christ was created before the founding of the world. That's the exact meaning of his Father beget Jesus.Psalms 90:2, Yahweh begat, gave birth, born the mountains and the earth.

oh repeater of the same things over and over again, which have already been explained to you,
but such is a mumu brain

again, those verses do not show that Jesus was created oh cannot stop lying sieve for a brain

Psa 90:2  Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

God is God, oh duh what are you trying to say, deluded one

mumu of no understanding, Father begat the Word who always existed in Him, not created
read my posts and the verses given, oh one bitten by the non understanding bug

Janosky: Prov 8:22, Jesus is a creature , the wisdom personified in Prov8:22-30 & 1 Cor1:24.

Jesus says his Father granted life to him. John5:26.

proverbs doesn't say wisdom is a creature, of cannot stop lying pharisee

Pro 8:22  The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

God of course posessed wisdom before He did any works at all, just like other verses say also:

Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

nothing was made without wisdom - the Word, again showing the Word was not made


1Co 1:24  But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. 

oh dud duh duh, yes, we know Christ is the power and wisdom of God, and you think God(Father's) power and wisdom is created, that God didn't have power and wisdom before He bought it forth as the Word come Jesus Christ, such a duh

God's wisdom and word is part of God - is God, just as my wisdom and word is part of me - is me

God's wisdom - His Word no longer is just a part of God(Father), but became a seperate identical person to Father
prov 8:22 doesn't say Jesus is a creature, oh cannot stop lying son of your daddy the devil
it says wisdom was with God(Father) before any of His works, so wisdom-the Word is not a work



again, your saying that wisdom was created before any of Fathers works, is ridiculous
how can a work be before any of His works, how can a creation be before any of His creation, oh most deluded one

Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

you fraudster, twister-changer of God's word, should add "other" to that verse, the same as you add to other verses, perverting them:
The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his (other) works of old. ha ha, you satans mob missed doing that one


Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

truly oh most duh one, God didn't create wisdom before His works of old
God always possessed wisdom

Janosky: Prov2:6 Yahweh is the source of wisdom.
John5:26 Yahweh is the source of life.

He certinally is confused one, laugh

Janosky: Johnw MUMU FRAUD of a PHARISEE, receive sense....


John1:3, is clear that Yahweh created the world THROUGH Jesus.

nothing is clear to you oh one of no understanding, bitten by the op bug
the Father created the world through Jesus, oh duh, really, who would have thought that, amazing

Father and the Word is YHWH:
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 

nothing was made without Jesus, showing He wasn't made:
Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


oh most confused one of no understanding, you and the op could be twins, laugh

lie lie™ barrister
Rom 11:36  For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

Col 1:16  For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

the two verses mean exactly what they say: all things are of him, and through him, and to him-the Father, and
all things are by Him and for Him-Jesus
the two verses also show that Father and son is the Creator God, as John 1:1 also shows that Father and son is God:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.



Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 

that verse also means just what it says: nothing was made without the Word
showing that the Word wasn't made

you false jw's love to twist and change God's word, evil a thing as that is

MrPresident1:
John, you prove my consistency

Rosh Hashanah 2013
Rosh Hashanah 2014
Rosh Hashanah 2015
Rosh Hashanah 2016
Rosh Hashanah 2017
Rosh Hashanah 2018
Rosh Hashanah 2019

So you see, there is a method to my ways. Please take note that September 30 2019 is the date of another RoshHashanah

false prophet™ pres1
yes, i prove you are consisrently a false prophet
and i will show you after 30 sept a couple more of your false prophecies, oh deluded one

2Pe_2:1a  But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

false jw's say Michael the archangel is Jesus Christ
however when contending with satan Michael said "the Lord rebuke you"

and of course the Lord(Jesus) doesn't say to satan "the Lord rebuke you"
but the Lord Jesus Himself rebuked satan:

Luk 4:8  And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan:

Janosky:
Bible > Topical > Beget
◄ Beget3. ( v. t. ) To produce as an effect; to cause to exist. Compare John5:26. Col1:15.

Jesus Christ NEVER exist until his Father beget him, granted him life before creation of the world..
(The very reason Jesus Christ calls his God "my Father" in heaven ,Revelation 3:2,5,12, and earth, John 20:17.)
In the same manner you can't exist until your parents granted you life.
John15:15, Jesus taught what his Father taught him.
NOT the FRAUD you're being posting up and down.
Johnw MUMU FRAUD of a PHARISEE.

lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

you anti "Christ is God" mumus, sure have no comprehension at all, repeating the same nonsense over and over again
which has been explained , but you are painted with the same know nothing brush of no understanding

truly Jesus wasn't made oh blinded ones:

Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

i know you don't believe the Bible except where it suits you, but really
Father made nothing without Jesus: "and without him was not any thing made that was made."

see it yet oh blinded and deluded one

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

false prophet pres1, you prophesyied Christ will come in 2014

MrPresident1: The time of Jacob's trouble has ended. It is Esau's turn to taste of the wrath, the clouds are now gathered over the skies of heaven. Christ will come in these clouds, shortly.

MrPresident1: The Most High and Holy God never does things randomly. It all is a giant puzzle, and as He promised; the secrets of the Lord are with them that fear Him, that hope in His mercy. The time is fixed. Jacob's trouble is ended! The final trump will sound circa September 25, 2014.

false prophet pres, with the above prophecy having failed
you then said in 2015

MrPresident1: In about 15 days time, the marriage supper of the Lamb of God will take place. God, who is eternally invisible but has given all His essence to His son Jesus Christ, so if you see the Son you have seen the Father, will be returning to re-marry His wife Israel. Revelation 19:7-9, Mathew 22:2

MrPresident1: ...... he is here ......

but then in 2017 He is not here, but he is coming at Rosh Hashanah

MrPresident1: Jesus is coming at Rosh Hashanah 2017.

Confirm!

MrPresident1: Roshhashanah 2017.

and now you false prophet pres1 are saying:

MrPresident1:
The asteroid is coming.

One evening, this September, there will suddenly be a great white flash that will turn night into day for several brief moments, then the report will come, GBAAAAAA!!!

MrPresident1:
We will start a countdown to the coming of Christ which must happen before 30th September 2019

false prophet, i will remind you of these latest false prophecies in october

1Jn_4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets
are gone out into the world.

MrPresident1:
John, hope you have reinforced your skull? Only Jesus can save your cranium

poor false prophet pres1
no one will talk with you
and all you have is your nonsense, of course

Maximus69:
They claim to be Christians having the backing of God's holy spirit, right?

Let them go out there and do what Jesus asked his true followers to do and accomplish something worthwhile!
John 15:8, 17:20-23,

All these arguments will amounts to NOTHING! Philippians 2:14, Titus 3:9

God bless you!

false jw mad™ max

you say: God bless Him
but you also say: he, not being one of you - a false jw, will be killed at armageddon, right

hypocrite

also your god doesn't bless

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

blueAgent:
1. Hebrews 1:5 tells us that Jesus was begotten by His
Father. Did He beget Himself?
2. In Matthew 22:44 , the Father said Jesus would sit at His
right hand until His enemies were made His footstool. Was
Jesus to sit at His own right hand?
3. In Matthew 24:36 , when Jesus told His disciples that no
one knows the day or hour of His return but the Father only,
did He really know but made up an excuse to not tell them?
4. In John 14:28 , Jesus said His Father was greater than He
was. Does this mean He was greater than Himself?
5. In John 17:1 , Jesus prayed to His Father. Was He praying
to Himself?
6. In Matthew 27:46 , Jesus cried out, “My God, My God, why
have you forsaken Me?” Had He forsaken Himself?
7. In John 20:17 , Jesus said He would ascend to the Father
after His resurrection. Did He ascend to Himself?
These and many other biblical passages demonstrate to a
rational Bible reader that the Trinity teaching is not only
unbiblical, but also utterly illogical!

beelzebubAgent, you know i wont waste any more time explaining anything to you a sewer mouth false accuser
having absolutely no understanding, with lies and confusion

https://www.nairaland.com/5382917/trinity-doctrine-false-doctrine-it/7#81785581

btw, i don't believe the Son is the Father, i believe Father and Son is two persons in God, as in john 1:1
read your post and see how there is no one more duh than you

blueAgent:
Answer my question. would Jesus have existed without God?

blinded beelzebubAgent

do you read the posts, go back and read mine again
i'm not having discussions, enlightening you, a sewer mouth false accuser
you will have to stay with your lies and confusion

Mat_7:6  Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

MrPresident1:
Jeremiah 28:8
The prophets that have been before me and before thee of old prophesied both against many countries, and against great kingdoms, of war, and of evil, and of pestilence.

I speak of the destruction of evil and wickedness, and of the people who practice them.

John, May asteroid not smash that ya coconut head

oh duh greatly confused and deluded pres1
you are not a prophet, you are a false prophet

gobuchinny:
Fake prophet prophesying nonsense. Your God is your belly. You must be a baby spiritually I know that your native doctor has been deceiving you. Come and try real children of God and get ur head smashed spiritually. You traded ur soul for filthy lucre. Apostate criminal

false prophet pres1 has such a awful life
he gets happy at the thought of destruction coming on the world and it's people

poor sap, and deservedly so

Janosky:
Bible > Topical > Beget
◄ Beget
►
Jump to: Webster's • Concordance •
Thesaurus • Greek • Hebrew • Library •
Subtopics • Terms
Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary
1. ( v. t. ) To procreate, as a father or sire; to
generate; to produce; as, poverty can beget
crime.
2. ( v. t. ) To get (with child.)
3. ( v. t. ) To produce as an effect; to cause to
exist.

......

"Father begat him" mumu Pharisees...
Johnw FRAUD, you dey see your FRAUD ?

oh most duh lying pharisee™ deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ ~~~~~~ and false accuser like hell

normally, and as in my father begat me, means i didn't exist before hand

in Jesus case oh know nothing, when Father begat Jesus He already existed
so He was not created oh most duh one, he was made man:

Joh 1:14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Janosky: @ PROOF, Jesus was created...
1Cor 8:6
"Yet there is for us ONLY ONE GOD,
THE FATHER ,WHO IS THE CREATOR
OF ALL THINGS.....


** You are NOT under obligation to comment on my post.
Shovel your FRAUD into your sawdust brain where it belongs.
Johnw MUMU FRAUD of a PHARISEE.

again oh most duh duh duh one ~~~~~~~~ and copycat like hell
of course Father is the only one God who is the creator of all things
and Jesus is that only one God, john 1:1 who is the creator of all things, john 1:3, laugh,
i only just explained that to you with verses, in the last post
such a blinded mumu

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.



2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

^^^

lying pharisee™ deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

you post scripture against scripture because you don't understand God's word



the Father is King of kings and Lord of lords:
1Ti_6:15  Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

The Word(Jesus) is King of Kings and Lord of lords:
Rev_17:14  These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Father and Son being King of kings and Lord of lords = Father and the Word(Jesus) is God:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Alpha and Omega - The Almighty, is Jesus

Rev_1:8  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Rev_1:11  Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

john turned to see the Alpha and Omega who was talking to him, and it was Jesus:

Rev 1:12  And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 
Rev 1:13  And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.



Jesus say's in rev 22:7
Rev 22:7  Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

and then Jesus says in verses 12 and 13:

Rev 22:12  And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev_22:13  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.


Jesus is: God / Alpha and Omega / the Almighty

Janosky:
Solite3 & Emusan have LOST their thinking cap.

PROOF, Jesus was created...
1Cor 8:6
"Yet there is for us ONLY ONE GOD,
THE FATHER ,WHO IS THE CREATOR
OF ALL THINGS.....

lying pharisee™ deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

i don't know solite3 and emusan exact beliefs, but as for me:

of course there is only one God and not two as you polytheist false jw's believe
that verse you quoted shows that the Father is the Creator
and john 1:3 and others show that the Word is the Creator

which further shows that Father and the Word is the Creator God:

john 1:1 in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

Joh 1:3  All things were made by him;(the Word) and without him was not any thing made that was made.

nothing that was made, was made without the Word, showing that the Word wasn't made

Janosky: **Ephesians 4:6
" One God and Father of all, who is
above all,"

** Emphasis:
"THE FATHER ,WHO IS THE CREATOR
OF ALL THINGS....." ALL THINGS" includes Jesus.

all things don't include Jesus, nothing was created that Jesus didn't create, you are forever twisting and changing God's Word

Janosky: That's the reason Jesus calls his Creator "My Father, my God" in heaven and earth.
The truth is ALWAYS BITTER....

the truth is bitter and disgusting to you
oh duh, Jesus Father is Jesus Father no matter where they are

Janosky: The word "THROUGH" connotes an agent, (Jesus) employed by the OWNER of the CREATION PROJECT ( his Father).

you have a problem with Father planing and Jesus carrying it out
me and my dad do the same, but we are both human, diffrent roles
Father and Son are both God, i have posted scores of scriptures showing Jesus is God
and which you don't believe, like the good little devil believer that you are

Janosky: Solite3 & Emusan, falsely claimed that "Jesus was never created".

of course Jesus wasn't created, Father begat Him
how can he be created when He already existed beforehand (the Word became flesh)

Janosky: Rev 3:5,12 Jesus Christ says he is his Father's Son in heaven and earth ( John20:17).

there are not enough duh's for you oh numskull
john 1:1, God and the Word is God,
God and the Word, is Father and Son no matter where they are

Janosky: Is Jesus Christ lying?
THE FATHER ,WHO IS THE CREATOR
OF ALL THINGS.....
Why does Jesus Christ have the same Father in heaven and earth?

oh duh duh duh, you keep repeating the same things over and over again, post after post, thread after thread,
and even in the same post, because you have nothing else, except your confusion

just believe God's word

^^^ oh oh, that was silly of me, a false jw believing God's word


the bible shows throughout that God created the world
not that a angel created the world, or
that God and a angel created the world

yes the bible does show that God created the World, that
the Word created everything that is created

1Co_2:14  But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Maximus69:
Arguments on social media will never change anything, because each commentator have decided on what he or she will settle for. But to get to the root of all these, what a right thinking persons ought to do is go straight to the answer of this difficult question then try to correlate the answer to the workings of each argumentator.

For instance, the one who knows best regarding this is Jesus of Nazareth. He said so much about those who will prove to be his true followers during the time when the world suffers great commotion.

Why not just go straight to the identification marks foretold by Jesus himself? So that any religious group that fails to meet up with his foretold marks is cast out as a failure. And anyone discarding the idea of a unique group surely is afraid of been cast out as part of those who failed woefully.

Certainly if Jesus' true followers exist today, the whole world should be able to single them out amongst all other religious groups as one body of a happy global family of peace loving worshipers. Because that's exactly what Jesus seriously prayed for! John 17:20-23

Whoever discards such a proof is surely saying Jesus is nobody, because there is no other person God will grant any request before that of his only begotten son who prayed to his father for a global family of peace loving worshipers to be globally recognised as ONE BODY! John 13:34-35

false jw mad™ max

keep on trying to convince yourself, you may come to believe it one day
surely no christian believes your self righteous puffed up nonsense
no christian of the true faith, that is