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bqlekan:
I think we do, the Stonehenge? the 800 year old phone dug out ( saw the thread somewhere on this forum).. we really should think deeper.,

ikenigel:
If you have a bible just read Rom 1:19-32 You could Google it. I have no more to say.

ikenigel:
The SPIRITUAL is NEVER subject to the PHYSICAL. The Physical is subject to the Spiritual and ruled by it. Always remember that. Keep enjoying the heightened sense of ego you derive from denying God.

malvisguy212:
I thought I made myself clear ? I say it was a supernatural event and not how your canal interpretation.

ikenigel:
By *senses* I mean physical senses of sight, smell, touch, taste ....... There are spiritual senses of perception which I'm sure you're not aware of. As you please. God help you. Someday, you will look beyond what you see.

ikenigel:
Why do you believe your date of birth?

Why do you believe your parents are really your parents and they love you?

Why do you believe someone loves you or hates you?

You claim that by seeing something like the Sun, you don't need to believe.
God is not an object that you will experience with your senses. There are things that will make you delve into uncertainty so you can find your certainty.
Please, just read that quotation.

ikenigel:
I thought you said you were a Christian. You see you've just exposed yourself. I was right. A true Christian won't ask this question. By the way, to correct your reasoning, what happened in the garden of eden was allegorical. It has deeper meanings that do not lie on the surface.

ikenigel:
To experience God,
1.Believe He exists

2. He seeks the good of those who sincerely seek him.
Others may think of what they like, it's really NOT your business. It is theirs. Your business is to seek this God for YOURSELF. I'm not telling you to believe in anyone's God. The truth is that there is ONLY one God. Different beliefs does NOT change that. I'm telling you to let yourself experience him and stop allowing OTHERS different views to STOP you from seeking the divine path!
Try and read Rom 1:19-32 as I told you.

malvisguy212:
the text say, the sun stop in the middle of the sky, it was a supernatural event, which you atheists do not believe, We still use phrases like the "Sun rose", "Sun set". There is no English (or Hebrew) phrase indicating that the earth rotates until the horizon covers the Sun.

This religion you are selling, am sure they believe in the supernatural, which you atheists do not like to here.

The canannit had thousands of iron chariots, but the isrealite has God on there side,BUT the isrealite allowed fear to prevail over there FAITH.

wiegraf:
Aye, but did the egygptians and sumerians know it was a binary star system or that there was a 50 year orbit? Did they even know that binary star systems existed? From what I understand, no. And that, ser, is the point.

that's impressive from the greek... I'm quite surprised they didn't record their methods, given they wrote a lot. Did the romans ever do something simialar?

ikenigel:
FEAR is NOT the basis of believing. Damn, you really need to wake up friend.

ikenigel:
Dear, I don't disbelieve/believe other God claims. I simply don't care about other God claims. I believe in the only God that exists. People are free to think as they want. I don't fight their ideology because I have grown to learn about this one true God by myself. Forget about believing/disbelieving other people's God concepts. Know God YOURSELF first!

oloriooko:
O boy too much grammar don erase your sense of reasoning

oloriooko:
So what you saying is to fear the Almighty God and that the devil is not a factor abi?

ikenigel:
Why are you bent on denying God's existence when everything around you is telling you that he exists? Why are you forcing yourself to deny your creator's existence? Read Romans 1:19-32 if you really care.

wiegraf:
Ah, mayhaps you misunderstand (or likely I wasn't clear enough). they didn't just predict that there was a star system there, they predicted there was a binary star system there. (Actually, they predict a third star within the system as well, but that remains to be seen.) I know you know a lot about astronomy (even more so than dilettante extraordinaire: myself), so can you now grasp just how sophisticated their claim was? they even allegedly knew their orbital period and a bunch of other things.

Making these discoveries was most likely beyond the grasp of the ancients, even if we cannot definitely say it's entirely impossible. there are other things to consider, but let's leave it at that as they're not really important

I do wish they wouldn't rely on this faith thingie as well, obviously. Some of these folk though...no reason gets through....they simply must worship some god.....

And was it the egyptians or the greek that moved tonnes of bricks with mysterious tech? I've never heard of greek doing it as well.

UncleSnr:
@Lalasticlala and Seun, please stop this madness of the Igbo's believing they are Jews, put this on frontpage.

Let's think Nigeria, not Israel.

plaetton:
But look at the African mindset.

Let's be realistic.
If a typical Nigerian has a UFO encounter, how do you think he or she would describe and interpret such encounters ?
If I have a UFO encounter, how would I tell my family members, my friends, my neighbors , etc, who are immersed steep down in religion?
No matter how you try to describe your encounter, they would all shout "DEMONIC attack, you need deliverance right away".

We are a people who are terrified by our simple dreams, let alone a UFO encounter.

Now, just imagine how many Nigerians are in Church today , seeking special prayers and deliverance from strange Demonic attacks.

Another reason why you don't hear of UFO reports in Nigeria is media and communications.
In other advanced countries, citizens would report unusual sightings or encounters to the local police, who would then investigate and file reports that become public record.
In Nigeria, trying going to a police station to report that you saw something strange in the sky. You would probably have to part with your money, just so that you can make it home for dinner that day.

Hahahahahahahaha funny but true..

Many of our brethren are busy in their imaginary war fare against imaginary armies.

lets not add strangers from the sky to the list ..

plaetton:
Our government, at least in the current era cannot be relied upon for cultural renaissance.

Over the past decades, our governments have been made and led by people who are themselves deeply beholden to middle East religious myths.
They have been either devout Christians or devout Muslims, who then cozy up with RAPACIOUS religious elites of both religions.

It would be a joke to expect cultural revival from our political leadership.

This is why we keep emphasizing that religion is the real problem, because it penetrates and poisons true leadership, even our educational system.

Imagine how many university professors are part time pastors in Nigeria.

Nigeria's three biggest RAPACIOUS religious elites, Adeboye, Oyedepo, Bakare are former university lecturers..
Go figure.

wiegraf:
tis robbery. daylight robbery and on an unprecedented scale...

ra.pe, they ra.ped us and people seem to have developed some form of stockholm's syndrome

plaetton:
Firstly, UFO encounters occur worldwide.
Even in our traditional cultures, there are tales that resemble classic UFO encounters.

Even in my village there are ancient tales of strange balls of lights falling from the sky and then short creatures coming out from it.

Of course, they referred to them as Ndi Mmuo.
Much of Igbo traditional mythology revolve around Ndi Mmuo.

The preponderance of evidence supports the notion that humans have been, and possiblly to interacting with extraterrestrial biological entities (EBE).

wiegraf:
Having knowledge of specific binary systems would be impossible without telescopes. Considering black man eschewed writing through much of his history (in favor of mostly rapping, what a genius idea!) and for long periods never built upon previous knowledge significantly, and that there are no signs of their having any such technology in the past, the likelihood of their having had a telescope is really low.

At best it would be a lucky guess. Considering the size of the universe and the ratios involved, that would be quite the stretch as well. However, when you consider that we're talking about the brightest star available, the odds of it being a guess don't look terribly bad. then again, how did they know about binary systems in the first place?

Or Gods told them.

Regardless, whether I think gods told them or not (or they simply were told by some oyinbo they had come into earlier contact with), a guess or lost technology they failed to document is mostly irrelevant, as this is my focus



So, for the religionists willing to gamble on yahweh, who created the heavens and the earth before he created the sun and the stars. that created brids, descended from dinosaurs, before land animals. that yahweh, so ignorant and confused that he actually can't even seem to get his story straight, as there are two accounts of creation in his book.... why choose him?

I, for one, welcome our new mami-water overlords as truer gods. And they're African to boot!

plaetton:
What makes you think that they are still not visiting earth today?
There are UFO reports from every part of the world everyday, if you open your mind to reading them.
There are uncountable reports of UFO encounters in the modern era.

If you read the bible or the Sumerian epics, you would the idea that ancient man's encounters with different alien races may have been origins of warfare, tyrannical monarchies, racism etc.
It is possible, that after much waring amongst themselves, the different alien races may hve agreed or compelled to leave humans to evolve and grow independently.
The Sumerian texts allude to this fact.

Their presence on earth at this time( which I strongly believe) is more to do with observation than with interference.

The bible makes many references to the Watchers.

plaetton:
Chai.
We learnt of the Greeks, the Romans, the Gauls, The Vikings in school.

No one remembered to teach us about the Dogons and the Nubians.

Again, dovetailing with the cultural genocide perpetuated on us, not just by Europeans, but by our educational systems.

Cc. lalasticlala

uncjay:
Sir, with all sincerity, the last time I checked, religious studies was not a compulsory subject in our schools, but certain religious practices like morning prayer either christian or islamic, singing etc, we don't have to be subjective about that.

My pain is that history is not made compulsory, but rather a substitute for government and other related subjects, just because there are bits of history in those subjects, its just not a enough.

uncjay:
Right on the contrary bro, to me I think africans can still go back to their cultures, it just that we spend more hours canversing over what is and what is not the root cause of the african cultural dilemma, parabulating and shifting blames without practical steps to salvage the deplorable situation.
Religion, no doubt has contributed immensely to the awkward state of our culture, yet it does not stand the only factor responsible for the decline of cultural consciousness of our people. We all know there are other factors but somehow convince ourselves that religion is the sole factor for this.
I see many and many more after questioning religion, I have no issue with that, but my take is are we asking all the necessary questions as many on here are solely concerned and after religion while other areas are neglected, yet culture and africa is the bone of contention.
What is the role of education? What is the state of education in the country? What are the government policies on culture and tradition in the country? Look at the country's budget, what percentage is education getting?
with the little years I've spend on earth, I'm yet to see a perfect thing, concept, cultures and traditions etc, cultural revival can only occur when we start taking practical steps to create cultural awareness in the mind of the people around, then the next generation and the one after. morally, there are certain cultural practices that we have to let go, forget about secular or religious concepts here, civilisation has change a lot in such aspect. So whether you a religious or an atheist does not change the fact we all operate under the current civilisation though in different ways.
If there's a problem, we identify it, examine the causes, and profer necessary solution. If I may ask, what are the solutions been geared up by you and the op over cultural issues? Yet you think africans can not go back to it root? Peddling your pain towards religion will not solve cultural issue in this country, neither can it make religion to extinct.

urheme:
Johnnydon22: culture is a way of life Of a people.

Malik: islam is a way of life

Malvisguy: christianity is a way of life.

They are all now a way of life, religion has beccome a culture.....thats what is going on.

You can tell me again that i don't know what culture is.

Are you surprise that, that boy told you Abraham is the father of all nation

urheme:
@Johnnydon22, that they gave you their religion does not mean you should throw away your identity.

Our cultural beliefs made it easy for these guys to impose the jewish cultural on us....they saw that we needed something to believe in..the jewish god was given in exchanged for our gods which were in form of art works.....

Pastors who knows this trick are making fortunes out of it

We are don with customs, culture and cultural practices as they have been relegated to the bachyard of affairs. now is time to the same with religions so that mankind can move forward.

I am having a feeling you don't even know what culture is sir

Culture is not the same as beliefs brother.. Well I think our cultures being relics of a distant past should also be modified upon to also reflect a touch of our own views while also maintaining it's original theme.

At the same time develop more on our historical background other than that of other people.