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TheFilmmaker:
Keep inventing dancing, while the world moves on with science and technology.

On Judgement day, the Lord shall ask you what you did with your life and you'll say, "I twerked, father. I twerked!"

darealsola:
what if u woke up nd u saw urself nd ur family in another planet.wat will u do.as for me, i go dey chill for there

Divinerspell:
If religion, occultism and witchcrafts wasn't real, why are people getting paranormal results from their practices?

Don't tell me you have not read or watch real testimonies from real people that are into such practices?

samted:
What 'lot'? If you're as intelligent as you're trying to sound, you would know that generalisation doesn't quite show your brilliance. Because some people kill in the name of their god doesn't make all followers of that religion terrorists.

Where or who dyu identify with if I may ask?

Richirich713:
And where did this singularity come from? It's origin plz?

If a Atheist doesn't take that road he could just have ignored me, just like I ignored some comments u made on why Christians bother being good when I read them. I don't think Christians are good to avoid hell or to get in heaven but u easily stereotyped that view.

Thats why I quoted those who disagree with my conclusion, 2 of those atheists holds on to the multiverse but still admit the universe is fine-tuned. U said no one one with basic knowledge of astronomy who claim that.

Exactly u think the fundamental constants happen by chance not design and that there's a natural explanation for it. But design is more probable, chance is extremely unlikely.

I don't think the desert screams out design, I think the precision of the constants do.

I don't think u did, I was arguing for the explanation of the fine tuning of the universe.
If that were true u wouldn't be going off on why I said some atheists argue that the universe literally came from nothing.

U never give direct yes or no answers do u?

Physicists say so John, they calculated that if there's even the slightest change to these constants, there's no possibility of life.

no one said life gots to be all overs the universe.
Actually it's more like not waking up or even existing.

Universe was not design for life? If one those fundamental constants were off by the slightest there absolutely no chance of life.
What's the best explanation of the fine tuning?
I think design and it's surely the most probable and logical.

samted:
Criticism is different from outright slander and abuses my friend. Saying that a religion is a sham or its followers are stupid is not criticism. Insulting something or someone because you hold different beliefs is a sign of gross ignorance. Check yourself.

Richirich713:
Again regardless how u trying to put it, it's still illogical. Nd Flew wasn't just talking about marble.
As he clearly says below:

"It is simply inconceivable that this would or could happen. And the same goes for any kind of matter. Once you understand the nature of matter, of mass-energy, you realize that, by its very nature, it could never become “aware,” never “think,” never say “I.” But the atheist position is that, at some point in the history of the universe, the impossible and the inconceivable took place. Undifferentiated matter (here we include energy), at some point, became “alive,” then conscious, then conceptually proficient, then an “I.” But returning to our table, we see why this is simply laughable. The table has none of the properties of being conscious and, given infinite time, it cannot “acquire” such properties" Anthony Flew

Hahahahahaha now we are shifting from Marble are we? . Isn't remarkable how you are now changing quotes? Isn't remarkable how you are now shifting the goal from Marble?

One thing both you and Andrew Flew what it is should understand: There are properties in each atom that makes them compatible for a particular reaction, once an atom looses such properties it is certainly impossible for it reaching such specified state.

So when Andrew Flew wants to ask a question worth answering he should have pointed at something with active biological properties but No he knew if he did the question was dead on arrival so he had to use an artificial object..

Logical blunder never go cheaper

1st u lied about the wooden table just to avoid answering the question, then u still went on to twist it the best u can still not to answer the question.

That itself shows u were defending the position, it's only now u that u agree that the marble table can never became conscious.

By not answering directly I take is to defend the view especially if someone start twisting the question and lying by claiming it's about a wooden table.

We searching for the best explanation of the universe complexity and fine tuning,not go into a infinite regress of trying to explain the explanation of the explanation, then the explanation of the explanation then.....

This is the happens when u read Richard Dawkins advice without looking what the real Philosophers have to say.

Aah I See if a Atheist can't answer a simple question and is done twisting it, he then out of desperation tries to change to the topic to Christianity, just like u did earlier when u suddenly started talking about the bible.

The only reason I even answered the question was not to act like a coward by answering indirectly then attack strawmans. U did the same thing in your morality thread by bringing up Islam nd Christianity.

Evens worst is the Christian view is nothing similar to the atheist, the man received conscious from a conscious and intelligent being.

Thanx 4 advice.

Richirich713:
But it ain't alive nor conscious and that's the whole point of the question. No matter how u try to put it, a marble table can never become conscious.

If I were an Atheist I wouldn't have a answer.

I'm talking to him right now, u clearing defending the possibility of a marble table becoming conscious.

And if u not defending this view why haven't u given a firm "no" yet?

No we theists think life came from a eternal conscious intelligent being.

He didn't make a logical blunder u just saying he did since u don't have a answer to his question. Or maybe u do but u just won't say it.

Richirich713:
Man U are on a strawman role 2night.


"Think for a minute of a marble table in front of you. Do you think that, given a trillion years or infinite time, this table could suddenly or gradually become conscious, aware of its surroundings, aware of its identity the way you are? " Anthony Flew

Where does he say wooden table?

So according to atheists a marble table could become conscious given the right amount of time.

Anthony wasn't talking about wooden tables so no 1 needs to correct him, it's just u who needs to be corrected.

Richirich713:
Johnny the universe is finite nd contingent, whatever cuz the big bang was independent of space-time and cannot be any substance in the universe we know of.

Dear friend u seem to be the one who doesn't understand that, when u quote someone talking to some1 else make sure u remember he was talking to some1 else and not u.

Don't just rush in the discussion nd assume no atheist believes the world came from literally nothing.

No I just ignored u and decided to give u quotes from Atheist physicists to show u what I'm arguing for, namely the fine-tuning argument. I made that pretty clear when I brought up the precision of the of the fundamental constants of the universe at the end of my post.

This what happens when u jump into discussions without reading. This got nothing to do on what I was previously arguing for. It was so obvious I was arguing for intelligent design while rejecting physical necessity and mocking those who hold on to chance.

Next time plz stick to what Richirich713 is arguing for.

Quotes are good especially if the person has a PHD on what is being discussed. So it's good to provide some quotes to support ones claim.

I know atheists on nairaland don't look at what the experts have to say, and won't dare quote historical scholars to support their claims that Jesus was created at the council of nicea. But that's for another topic.

All I want to know is to do u consider the universe eternal or not?

Again you not getting the argument for intelligent design. U ain't getting why theists or even deists even use the teleologicial argument. It was probably the 1st argument u heard for the existence nd it's the most basic nd popular argument for God.

When we observe the universe we realize that several fundamental constants need to have extremely precise values for the universe to exist or support life, if 1 of these constants were off by just a hair the universe wouldn't be able to support life or even exist. This is the fine tuning I'm talking about.

Either we were just extremely lucky or the universe was just finely tune due to physical necessity.

Lol how did I prove u right? I quote a few physicists suddenly means I agree with everything they believe. In fact I purposely quoted hawking since he is a Atheist , just like i quoted the other 2 atheists.
U need to look up fine-tuning argument. In fact here u go :
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine-tuned_Universe
Cheers

denzmark:
Rubbish those useless coins couldn't make you wealthy and you wana make us rich with them

Divinerspell:
What do you know about Occultism? It is ok by me if you don't believe in Occult but that doesn't stop Occultism from being effective and powerful.

Divinerspell:
You don't know the importance of black cat in the Occult, do you?

If Occult money wasn't real, why are they ritual killing every time? Because blood is the only currency in the spiritual world!

wordcat:
Just as BVN is also a mark of the beast yet you all were forced to do.

The more you look the more mentally deranged religions get..

See Obama is wearing a suite, a trouser and a shoe that is 3.. multiply it by 2
. Omg it's 6.

That is 666 Obama is Anti-Christ..

It's becoming very disturbing seeing such chronic psychosis.. Well i don't see it getting any better soon

Richirich713:
"Think for a minute of a marble table in front of you. Do you think that, given a trillion years or infinite time, this table could suddenly or gradually become conscious, aware of its surroundings, aware of its identity the way you are? " Anthony Flew

It's maybe too mentally challenging for u to realize matter doesn't just evolve into conscious.

Richirich713:
Whatever it is it can't be a substance we know of in the universe since that would mean it's made of contingent substances. It also has to be independent space-time since that is also finite.

And what does literally nothing mean? When a atheists tells me the universe evolved from literally from nothing?

I guess nobody here has basic knowledge of astronomy or physics.

"The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life". Hawking (physicist and cosmologist) -Atheist

"Wherever physicists look, they see examples of fine-tuning" Martin Rees (cosmologist and astrophysicist) -Atheist

"If anyone claims not to be surprised by the special features the universe has, he is hiding his head in the sand. These special features are surprising and unlikely" David Deutch (physicist) Atheist

What are u getting at? R suggesting the universe is eternal?

We must be very lucky people, if the cosmological constant was off by a hair we wouldn't be here. If the gravitational constant was off by just a hair we wouldn't be here.
It has been calculated that if the value of even one of the fundamental constants—the speed of light or the mass of an electron, for instance—had been to the slightest degree different, then no planet capable of permitting the evolution of human life could have formed.
It's as if the universe knew we were coming.
"The more I examine the universe and study the details of its architecture,” writes physicist Freeman Dyson, “the more evidence I find that the universe in some sense knew we were coming"

Slikbae:
I just pity you. You don't know how ignorant you are, and what's worse is that you think you're wise.

These things exist. They're not in the mind. They're not imaginary, they're very real. As real as you are and even more real.

Angels and demons are real. whether you believe it or not changes nothing.

hahn:
Lol. You're a real clown dude. You should go into comedy

Bad news, even the devil doesn't exist. It's all in your mind. Bro, free yourself from such negative thinking and open your mind to the beauty the world has to offer. The world is bigger than a non-existent god, his arch enemy lucifer, flying donkeys, flying horses, senseless floods or even the concept of someone from Israel, who never existed by the way, dying for your sins.

Black man. Open your eyes

Matthew 16:28
"Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they
see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

That was Jesus to his apostles .. they are all dead more than 2000years now

Isn't time people forgot all these fables and myths and start living their life
Someone should think about that, take all the time in the world

Godwin2016:
Satan,that's what you are. I rebuke you in Jesus name

This one is becoming an atheist soon

frank317:
This thread is obviously embarrassing my Muslim friends. Johnny why now?

But this Empiree and Yazach no shame shaa. You only see their lips flapping so fast when you pick loopholes in the bible. Well uncle Mo must have been a clown, even my grandfather would have done better.

No b only flying horse... Na superman.