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Krystalzkris:
This is so beautiful... Fact is fellow youths dont care about stuffs like this and that's why we are still where we are.

dorox:
I said the effect of sudden acceleration or decceleration of that magnitude is like being hot by a high speed train or crating into a concrete barrier at high speed.
I used the simile like. I never said that anything was crashing into earth.

johnydon22:
There isn't any. I believe Dorox used that to illustrate the effect the sudden halt of a body's velocity would have on it

hahn:
It's an old lie.

Funny how the only thing that can be used to verify a lie is another lie

Reyginus:
You believe? Okay. Let me wait for him to say so. Sudden halt? Collide? Shatter ? Okay.

Reyginus:
Exactly. Dorox, I hope you get me now. The collision force where would it come from?

Reyginus:
Yes I'm serious. I don't know also if you are pretending not to get me or otherwise. Johnydon22, do you get my question?

Richirich713:
I don't get why anyone would even argue that there is nothing eternal

and that it makes more sense that nothing created everything randomly.
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Richirich713:
I link cuz based on the evidence, it's the best and most logical explanation

Out of nothing comes nothing, eternity is necessary.

I'm really hope u not trying to say this universe came literally from "nothing", and hope u not saying that makes more sense.

No one said that, the only reason I say the eternal source must be intelligent is cuz of the DESIGN AND FINE TUNING of the universe.

If the universe was not fine tune, I would have never said anything about intelligence cuz there would be no evidence for that.

The universe had a beginning, something cause the Big Bang.

Either what cuz it did it intelligently or randomly.
But evidence points to intelligence.

hahn:
The first pic with the lions is sooooo cute. I'm not surprised that most of the pictures feature white people.it seems like since they discovered that god doesn't exist they have been searching for new ways to die. Africans on the other hand are so scared of their non existent "hell" that it's difficult to cross the road. Pathetic

Reyginus:
What about tidal locking as a result of forces, gravitational pull, between a star and the earth?

Annunaki:
God or Jesus do not see us as slaves but as their beloved children. It's the islamic deity that sees it's adherents as slaves.

Romans 6:22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.

Lying to cover your own God's Ass and accuse the other drunk God..(Islamic God).. thats not working bro..

Take that up with yourself... Not my business though..

johnydon22:
[b]So many times i and am sure other atheists, agnostics, deists, pantheists have heard this question..

"Why be good?"
we have seen this from every angle, even here on nairaland, in real life..

The idea of it from the questioners perspective is

"Since you have no God who will burn you in hell or reward you in heaven then why do you bother being good?

We are very familiar with that and many theists won't deny having conceived that question, trailing that line of thought or asking it when discussing with an Unbeliever or the concept of Unbelief.

Actually this line of thought terrifies me, it scares me and gets me really very afraid when i see people ask that question or directly or indirectly imply it...
It makes me think "So without the idea of religion coming up with the concept of a God who is willing to roast you in a literal fire forever these people won't bother to be good?"

"So without it, we would have these people depicting to be saints as serial killers, rapists, murderers, thieves?"

Anybody reading this would agree with me that people who trail such line of thought really lack INDEPENDENT MORAL BASIS, therefore shows someone who has absolutely no need for his brain to guide his day to day activities but allow religious dogmas, superstition and psychological fear do that for him/her.

Before i proceed on why an atheist, agnostic, deist or pantheist are good without adhering to the idea of threats to do so, let me first define what an unbeliever Considers to be moral because generally many things religions consider MORAL are directly Opposite of what we (even theists included) consider to be MORAL.

e.g: Killing Unbelievers/Apostates like the Quran has charged
e.g: Killing Brides found not to be virgins as the bible Charged.
(even Mary would have been a victim of this if according to the fable an angel had not warned Joseph in a dream not to rat her out)
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So societal Secular definition of Morality is: Actions that DECREASES individual human suffering and/or betters societal well being, freedom, equality and Justice...[/size]

So going by this one is sure to see that what secular society or independent moral basis considers to be MORAL are just actions towards others and the world that are pleasing and not what a religious book says.

It takes perception to recognize that which we find to be moral (Good to us and the society and what we find not to be) and this is rooted in EMPATHY which is considering the feeling of others in your actions towards them.

SO NOW MOVING INTO WHY AN UNBELIEVER IN A GOD/RELIGION BOTHER TO BE GOOD.

You need to buy bread, you saw John and called him to buy the bread for you. He refuses and goes on his merry way. Ordinarily this one action of John is wrong to you.

On a second scenario you called John and asked him to buy you a bread offering him #20 tip or threatening to slap thunder out of his eyes if he doesn't and John rushes to buy the bread.. why do do you think John agreed to go to that errand?

On a third scenario; You call Joseph to buy a bread for you, he carries out that request swimmingly ..

Which among the two kids John and Joseph (Judging from the 2nd and 3rd Scenario) really did good??

Now looking at this from the MORALITY PERSPECTIVE AND RELIGION.

example 1
If you are good because you want to make heaven, you are not good because you want to be good but because you want to earn a reward after all, you only are good for your own gain... We call that selfishness... Is that goodness in entirety??

example 2
If you are good because you fear hell, you want to escape hell. You are only good because you want to escape punishment, you just want to save your own skin after all..
that still is a selfish reason... is that goodness in entirety??

example 3
One that is good not because they want a heaven or fear a hell but because they want good to happen, because they care and because they are empathic and compassionate towards others?

Among these three examples, who amongst them is truly good?? I would let you be the judge of that..

Anybody reading this wouldn't want me to go any further to see that One be it a believer or an unbeliever do not need the promise of a heaven or the threat of a hell to be good..One can be good for goodness sake.

WHY BOTHER BE GOOD..
Robert Ingersoll once said:
"The Only Good is Happiness, Where to be Happy is here and how to be happy is to make OTHERS happy.."

This one simple quote speaks volume of why bother to be Good..

When i see a dirty starving kid lying in the mud, if i pick and clean him up, feed and wash him.. This one act itself is enough to make that kid happy, and the smile on that kids face is enough to make you smile...

Just cleaning a dirty patch of land is enough to make me smile when i see it..

Giving to a poor man is enough to make them smile and enough to also put a smile on your face.

So when next you ask an unbeliever why bother be good, please also ask them.
"Why bother not killing their mother?"
"why bother loving their kids?"
or most importantly "Why bother being happy?"

So my actions are not as a result of any religious stipulated morals or about a God or about any religious creed, threat or reward.

My actions are towards people, humans, other life forms and the earth. . So assuming there is a God i don't even care what it says or thinks about my dealings with people because my actions are towards people not Deities.

Someone would ask an atheist: "Why don't you rape, murder, steal and destroy as much as you want"

"Yes actually i do those thing as much AS I WANT. I rape, i murder, i steal and destroy as MUCH AS I WANT and the MUCH I WANT IS ZERO (0) and that is it."

That i am good is because I WANT TO not because any deity or anybody wants me to
. . Good or bad is sorely my decision and my responsibility..

If you are good to others because of the promise of heaven, it shows how little you think of others.

if you are good because of hell, it shows how little you think of yourself. . .

Be Good for Goodness sake.

I have once told a pastor "You cannot tell me about morality until you and i agree on what we think is moral, because subjecting a little child to the psychological abuse and fear by threatening him/her with a horrifying burning flame in order to instill morality is horrifying, disturbing, wrong, wicked and immoral to me..."

One should be good because of Goodness sake, because they want good to happen, because they are empathic and compassionate towards others.
We have always affirmed that Empathy guides morality and empathy is a human emotion.

If muslim Jihadists were Empathic or compassionate towards others they would not kill or murder them in the name of God because of belief, in fact they even see this action to be right.

If a Christian pastor is empathic towards the poor masses, he would not extort money from them in the name of God..

Or the atheistic man that killed three people, if he was empathic towards them, he wouldn't have done that..

Morality is not synonymous to belief, having a belief is not same as being moral neither is not being a believer in any abstract concept same as immorality.

Morality deals with actions and not belief or unbelief.

So i hope after this; Nobody will ask an atheist, agnostic, pantheist or deist "why they are good or why bother be good or in the common sense mistake religion or belief to mean moral"

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Annunaki:
My opinions are formed based on the teachings of Christ and his spirit in me. Read Matthew 25:31-40 and learn from the master himself.

Am not a slave, don't need a master... I am responsible for my own opinions

Annunaki:
Yes he did

Gracito:
This is absurd!

Annunaki:
Jesus will rather have you give to the poor than giving to a pastor.

Slikbae:
Islam itself teaches and promotes adultery. Why should a man be entitles to four wives? do musim men have four dicks??

Slikbae:
Saudi Hotels require you to present your marriage certificate before lodging in a hotel with any woman. That's how to ensure she's your wife.

Thats seriously messed up

dabosuker:
Pls what do u take ?....emm ..Bar man abeg give him/her whatever him/her desires to drink
God bless you!....
it pains my heart how religion has blocked the thinking & reasoning faculty of people,...what pains me more is when even young people can not reason ,..or should i say dare not to reason. after the recent discovery of "Homo nadalis", or whatever , i have started to give Darwin more than 60% personally, why ?....because it makes more sense than whatever religion would tell you ...these things are happening!..people are just not thinking ! why are malaria drugs no longer effective? same with insecticides, even cockroaches refused to be eradicated ??..Evolution, brought about by survival ........people need to understand that we are all just organisms on earth trying to knock off each other, "Competition", illness is far from spiritual ..there is a war constantly going on BTW organisms on planet earth, its all physical ! the fact that we have not been able to explain it, should not necessarily make it Spiritual . people lets start reasoning, lets start thinking ...I guess that's why God gave us a reasoning & analytical brain ........or did he make a mistake ...

Oselumhe:
But you believe in traditional things and you don't believe in a dirty I don't understand your own oo.... ....but the tradition deity forms the tradition belief you believe in

sonOfLucifer:
Im 6'3

Annunaki:
We the Annunakis are 9ft and above

Short meeeehn

uncjay:
the question is what is a man with mansion in lekki doing in a room apartment in ajegunle??

You see there is reason for our existing here on earth irrespective of belief, ideology or whatever.