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Christianity Etc › Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by johnydon22(m): 9:24pm On Aug 27, 2015*

Ishilove:
On a more serious note, clowning aside

Johnydon22, what you are doing is trying to box God into the rational confines of the four walls of human reasoning. An exercise in futility, I must add

.The same you who is here claiming your God concept is above human reason is still the one who will lay out your ideas as the words of God, the same you label books written by humans as the word of this God you still claim is above human reason. . The same you who claims God is unknowable still knows the characters of this God that you are quite sure it has a son, it has a golden mansion in the sky, it has a literal burning fire to punish people but yet it is beyond human comprehension.

I so wonder if someone can deceive themselves anymore than that. . .
God is above human reason and so says another human.....

You say the things you say because you do not know what you are talking about. You think you do, but you don't.

Unlike you i have full total control of my thought and reason independent of any prejudice, i advice you do so too.

What you need is a 'Paul encounter' to open your eyes. Paul had to be blinded before he could see, and I hope God shows you mercy by 'blinding' you so that you too can see the light.

But the natural (carnal) man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned -1st Cor 2:14. KJV.

Aaaaah yes the bible quoting. . I have once being there, i know what it feels like to have a belief.

I know if not more than you what it is to have a conviction and i know the effect of this Stockholm syndrome you exhibit. . so i totally understand cus frankly i once use to quote these verses too.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by johnydon22(m): 9:24pm On Aug 27, 2015

Christianity Etc › Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by johnydon22(m): 9:18pm On Aug 27, 2015*

Ishilove:
Mr Ogbeni, calm down o jare!! Are we fighting??

You sef your blood is too hot

My posts are crystal clear for all to see i am not in any way roused. .

But sometimes you all should stop and think before you hastily move to depict the God you profess with so much disturbing characters because harbouring such disturbing traits in your mind and being ok with it paints a very wrong impression of the person who does.

But alas you are still a victim of this psychological shackle that you preach!!!

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by johnydon22(m): 9:13pm On Aug 27, 2015

malvisguy212:
if you find it hard to forgive your enemy, why not look for a gun and kill him, no God will hold you accountable for your sin .

I have always told you that you possess a very sick mind. .So without the idea of a God who will hold you accountable or a book telling you what to do you will be going round the world wreaking havoc where ever you go...Your state of mind is really scary because you have only shown to possess no independent moral basis. .

People should be good to others not because they fear a God that is willing to burn them or going to reward them but rather because they want to be good that is the basis of independent morality. . To be good for goodness sake . .

The morality of Jesus was so far ahead of its time that 2,000 years after Jesus brought it to this planet, modern society is still no closer to attaining it. 'Go the extra mile . . . bless those who curse you. . . Turned the other cheek . . . It is more blessed to give than to receive . . .' Present day morality, with its crude focus upon observable behavior rather than HEART attitude, is hopelessly primitive and out of touch with reality.

Buddha taught and lived by most of these 600years before Jesus. . . Those philosophies has always been there..

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by johnydon22(m): 9:05pm On Aug 27, 2015

Ishilove:
Toh. At least you were warned, dear Johnnydon. At least you were warned.

[b]Warned? Oh one can only imagine what you people do to your own God concepts; You ridicule it, insult and belittle it and yet somehow still think in your minds you are are in a good path.

What sort of a universal God will have a literal burning place to punish Belief what exactly is an entity allegedly that powerful doing with your belief or worship?

Perfection needs nothing from anybody, so if you claim your God concept is perfect then it needs nothing from anybody; Not worship, reverence and acknowledgement and if this be so it clearly means your piety is useless.

But here we have it, you are showing us a God who needs worship, who needs sacrifice, acknowledgement on daily basis. . A God with chronic narcissism that needs worship so bad that it threatens people with fire should they fail to give it...Doesn't this show a childish, egoistic and abusive concept?

If you are God would you punish people based on what they believe and would your punishment be an eternal flame . . . .If "NO" then you obviously have a saner and sounder moral basis than the God you profess[/b]

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by johnydon22(m): 8:52pm On Aug 27, 2015

Ishilove:
Be very very careful what you wish for...

It doesn't matter what he wishes for, the obvious sick concepts such as what he wrote is crystal clear. . It is as disturbing as it is plain black and white evil.

Nobody needs know you or your religion inside out, but as long as you are ok with the idea of a God that will roast people who do not believe as you do in fire or even harbour in your mind the thought of another human burning in a literal fire forever. .Tells everything one need to know about you, your religion and the God it professes

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by johnydon22(m): 8:46pm On Aug 27, 2015

Ishilove:
Ees true na. Na so you just dey blow grammar dey go. It was quite mesmerising.

I don't know what the heck you wrote in that epistle, but it sure does look impressive!!!

I don't write to impress, you can look it up and see what it was all about

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by johnydon22(m): 5:57pm On Aug 27, 2015

Ishilove:
Johnny don come. Akukwo girama

Hahahahahahahaha

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Christianity Etc › Re: Questioning The Implausibilities (giving Reason A Chance) by johnydon22(op): 5:45pm On Aug 27, 2015

joywendy:
Thanks! I know,but you know that rule 'doesn't' apply here on nl.

Only if you care about what people think more than what you yourself think

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Delusions Of Forgiveness And The Christian Morality. by johnydon22(m): 5:38pm On Aug 27, 2015

[b]The idea of theism has always been one created to make a soft landing psychological pillow for people, people tend to need an escape route to channel their problems and responsibilities psychologically and by so doing lack independent self determination.

First they need an escape route for their own problems instead of owning up someone conjures up flimsy excuses like "It was the devil's handiwork" "It's God's plan" "God is testing you" and in so doing they erode compassion and human sympathy in times of human tragedy.

"It was the devils handiwork" an escape route to heap their own responsibilities and failures on an escape goat so they might escape owning up to their problems, if the misfortunes on the world is the work of a devil, it clearly shows the devil is more active than the good guy who suppose to be doing the good ones.

"It's God's plan" if everything is God's plan and God has prepared everything according to his will, why then do you pray and beg for favours because it's more like telling God "Your plans is good and all but fvck it i want it done my own way.

"God is testing you" This stone cold excuse is one that i always chastise, eroding compassion in order to make flimsy excuses and create a psychological escape route.

THE FORGIVENESS ESCAPE ROUTE.

This is the worst form of psychological dependency on abstract concepts when people cannot own up to their actions and agree responsibility for them.

That is when you hear idiotic statements like "We are saved by grace" in order words blatantly riding themselves from the guilt of their wrong doings to others.

What i find to be moral is the way you treat others and when i wrong someone i regard their feelings and i if i want to will only ask forgiveness from them because they are the one i hurt.

But a theist logic on forgiveness is; You hurt someone and instead of apologizing to that person you enter your room, mumble some words to the floor and come out saying you are forgiven by God but the person you offend is still hurting and has no idea of your act of repentance from your action. .

Why do someone need forgiveness from a deity when you hurt another human?

A woman once told me that it is because you also hurt God by hurting another human.. My reply was "Since by hurting another human you hurt God, isn't it clear that by apologizing to the person you hurt and gaining his/her forgiveness you should as well gain forgiveness from any God you delusionally think you offended".

I have never seen people who butter self righteousness together with outright hypocrisy more.... You hurt someone and claim to be saved by grace therefore ridding yourself of the responsibility your action entails and more wickedly neglecting the feelings of the one you offended.

I can never trust someone who cannot own up to his mistakes, his actions and take absolute responsibility for them but seeks a psychological escape from them

We do not need forgiveness from any God or any Deity, (Our actions are towards one another) We only need forgiveness from each other [/b]

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Christianity Etc › Re: Questioning The Implausibilities (giving Reason A Chance) by johnydon22(op): 5:09pm On Aug 27, 2015

joywendy:
@johnydon22 please can you unquote me? Before this people come here and start misinterpreting my words and writing long speeches for me. Thanks

You are responsible for what you write, people are responsible for what they understand

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Christianity Etc › Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by johnydon22(m): 2:06pm On Aug 27, 2015

MzNelly:
Where do you belong?
Half-atheist or Witness?

Lol...i keep wondering too

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Christianity Etc › Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by johnydon22(m): 12:04pm On Aug 27, 2015

Rilwayne001:
Materialism.

#Sighs please who is an atheist?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by johnydon22(m): 11:59am On Aug 27, 2015

Rilwayne001:
A god that wasnt perfect? A god that doesn't know when the world would end?

And i suppose yours does right?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by johnydon22(m): 11:58am On Aug 27, 2015

Rilwayne001:
You guys are religious people claiming to be atheist.

Oh really? Can you please elaborate and tell me my religion sir

and please tell me what it means to be an atheist

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Science/Technology › Re: Solar System Planet Count Down With Pictures by johnydon22(op): 11:57am On Aug 27, 2015

bqlekan:
I can be a bit troublesome atimes brother.. but wait, 1972 is a long way off, how long does it take to prepare new horizons for Pluto exploration? Why years for our closest body..? Some believe these other missions are just hoax. I wouldn't believe that tho.. I searched and found no tangible reason.. there should be a base of operation on the moon by now. Or what do you think?

Lmao. . . Man is making living facilities to stay on the moon for up to months and you are comparing such life sustaining facilities with an unmanned space probe like New Horizons.

This is like asking why another Rover has not been dropped on Mars since the curiosity Rover.

Like i said above the next mission to the moon will not be to stay few hours like the previous missions but rather months and there is no disputing the herculean facilities (life sustaining) needed for that.

China successfully landed an unmanned craft on the moon as recent as last two years (2013) so you could see the recent moon landings we have.

China as well as Nasa are working on Manned landings hopefully you will get to see one before 2020

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Christianity Etc › Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by johnydon22(m): 11:38am On Aug 27, 2015

Rilwayne001:
Hmmmmm.. Its a normal thing sweetie, all you need now is to seek the truth. Read extensively. Don't mind all these fake atheists.

Again the Fake Atheist phrase pops up, please can you tell m what you mean by that please?

What makes someone an atheist and what makes someone a fake atheist?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by johnydon22(m): 11:32am On Aug 27, 2015

menesheh:
What you are saying is that both of us can invent more secular god that is benevolent and non-contradictory to represent modern sort of god.

No i don't need to invent a God, i lack the psychological dependency it takes to do that and it is totally useless to....i am psychologically independent.

what i mean is that; Religions should at least stop insulting their God concepts by depicting it with such disturbing characters like they do

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Science/Technology › Re: Solar System Planet Count Down With Pictures by johnydon22(op): 11:28am On Aug 27, 2015

bqlekan:
The Humour in dudes presentation got me read the whole post.. my favourite is Mars and I will really like to climb Mons Olympus.. Mhizkel should come along too

But wait ooh, I have never heard of a second visit to the earth's moon., NASA use to be curious... 1967 is a long way... or do we have life forms on it?

TEEMPAKGUY
JOHNYDON22

AND OTHERS

There have been six manned moon landing since 1969 to 1972 and they have been a total of 12 astronauts to ever walk on the moon and they later missions used a moon rover for easier mobility.

They have been several unmanned landings too of which Russia and China also hold spots in the list.

So there have been other moon landings after Apollo 11 and huge plans are on going now according to Nasa to see man back to the moon, not just for few hours like all the other landings we have but for months, that's why it's taking long cus facilities and equipments needs to be ready..

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Christianity Etc › Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by johnydon22(m): 11:13am On Aug 27, 2015

menesheh:
BOLDED

Why must he ever invent an imagery fantasy. If he should ever do that, he should be able to give more vivid explanations of such god in a way many more people can evaluate and demonstrate such concept too to arrive at the same conclusion.

Many God concepts has been invented through out history which basically is always a means for a person to level out his own ideologies on people without question.

If people as much cannot do without them buying into the idea of a God, at least they should come up with one with less abusive and disturbing characters like ones we have all over every culture.

Humans always pour out their own selfish ideologies in the guise of "word of God"..

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Christianity Etc › Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by johnydon22(m): 9:19am On Aug 27, 2015

MzNelly:
Yes. Indeed, you do have a point.
It's sad.... And I can't believe I took so long to realize.

I personally believe religion has a wrong impression about God. I don't want to believe He is what they say.

[b]Bingo!!! The bolded alone is very deep if you think about it... why should another person in the first place be the one to tell you about a universal God, why should the characteristics of this God be postulated by another man, why can't this God be the one to that for himself or herself (sure you know if God does this nobody need believe with faith but rather you will be sure and know for sure just like you don't need faith to believe earth is real, you are sure of it)
. . .Little wonder the concept of yahweh in the old testament is entirely different from that of the new testament because deities are manipulated to be what the people want.

That is the point exactly. . . That's why i created a thread based on this, on how religions ridicule and paint their own God concepts to seem evil and all round barbaric. https://www.nairaland.com/2496350/questioning-implausibilities-giving-reason-chance

Of course i share no belief in this abstract concepts but if you are to invent a God, at least invent one that doesn't depict favouritism, judgementalism, egoism, narcissism, barbarism, sadism and all round absurdity.. [/b]

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Christianity Etc › Re: I Am Now Thinking Like An ATHEIST. Help!! by johnydon22(m): 9:15am On Aug 27, 2015

chuna1985:
There is God brother, But God is unknowable.

God ain't in any church or religion... Dey are all Man made.

Meanwhile Congrats.

Nice postulation and all, but i want to engage you just a little bit..

About the bolded. . You say God is unknowable, since it is unknowable how then did you get to know there is any at all?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Diary Of A Jehovah's Witness by johnydon22(m): 9:05am On Aug 27, 2015*

MzNelly:
Some have asked, "Won't you regret this?" And i said, in reply "If there is a
God who will destroy non-witnesses at Armageddon and keep the Witnesses,
then I'd rather die than live eternally with such a partial God and self-
righteous JWs."

This is great and all but then again replace the places you wrote JW with Christianity or islam and you will see none of them still is any different...They all revolve around same sick ideology of an egoistic God who is worship mongering to the extent of hurting people who don't give it.

If there is a God who will burn non-believers in hell and keep the believers, then i'd rather go to hell than live eternally with such a partial God and self righteous believers

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Athiest Belief There Is No GOD? by johnydon22(m): 6:59pm On Aug 26, 2015

malvisguy212:
in other word : Humankind allegedly evolved from rocks and slime over billions of years. ? Keep on deceiving your self.

In other words "I don't claim to know how anything started, and for the fact we lack this knowledge is a call for more study, scrutiny, observations of available facts so we can ascertain how it actually happened not base your conclusions on the supersitions of ancient primitive men who probably didn't know where the sun went when it set.. And you believe it by faith instead of being certain of it.

I'd rather base my confidence on reason, plausibilities and knowledge than base my belief on faith, which is blind by definition.
Believing something by faith is the most dishonest position there is because it is an assertion of stoic conviction assumed without reason and defended against reason. If you have to believe it on faith, you have no reason to believe it at all.

why not we strive to know how things actually happened and gain the actual knowledge of what is than rely on absurd supersition where you lack knowledge.. I wonder who is decieving himself here...

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Christianity Etc › Re: Muslims Reacts As Waec Fixed Exam During Friday Prayer. by johnydon22(m): 6:15pm On Aug 26, 2015

Rilwayne001:
He is not a christian. He is an atheist; a fake atheist.

am really curious please pray tell. . . What makes someone a fake atheist exactly?

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Science/Technology › Re: Solar System Planet Count Down With Pictures by johnydon22(op): 6:07pm On Aug 26, 2015

Do anyone seem to have any idea what's the cause of the bright light that is present in Occator crater in the dwarf planet (asteriod) Ceres

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Science/Technology › Re: Solar System Planet Count Down With Pictures by johnydon22(op): 3:13pm On Aug 26, 2015

TheDauraMallam:
Double mistake. No points for you.

Christianity Etc › Re: Karma And Curses by johnydon22(m): 2:30pm On Aug 26, 2015

FOLYKAZE:
This is your personal evaluation. And I pray you achieve that.

One has to think for himself and create a purpose for his life.

I could remember when I had admission, my uncle was happy more than I do. He asked me when we had discussion after checking out the cafe, he said why am I nt rejoicing that some of my colleague fail to secure admission. I told him blankly that securing admission is not a success to me and does not make me happy. I am mostly forced to laugh in different occassions. I dont just feel moved with what some people call success. I have been looking for inner peace for years.

Money does not matter validate how successful one is. That is the point

Happiness and peace walks hand in hand... how can some one be happy if he is not at peace..
I for one care less of what should be but focus more on what is and that has given me a sense of contentment and peace.

some people may see wealth as a source of their happiness and can attain that..

To me happiness is a state of mind and one can only give that to himself..
One can be happy regardless of societal status or wealth accumulated. . . As long as one is happy i would say they are successful because

they have successfully given themselves happiness..

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Science/Technology › Re: Solar System Planet Count Down With Pictures by johnydon22(op): 1:48pm On Aug 26, 2015

TheDauraMallam:
Actually, no.

This picture was taken in 1990.

Pale Blue Dot is a photograph of planet Earth taken on February 14, 1990, by the Voyager 1 space probe from a record distance of about 6 billion kilometers (3.7 billion miles, 40.5 AU), as part of the Family Portrait series of images of the Solar System.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Blue_Dot

Sorry bro ...lol.. I meant 18Billion not million. . . see mistake!!! you know i never knew it was million i wrote

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Science/Technology › Re: Solar System Planet Count Down With Pictures by johnydon22(op): 1:43pm On Aug 26, 2015

TheDauraMallam:
Here is a more beautifully designed and moving version!!

https://vimeo.com/127007297

Wow bro i love this one ...makes you realize that looking out to the sky, pictures of galaxies the little dots we see scattered all over that seemed pretty much uneventful to us might in fact be bustling with activities much more intense than ours

Family › Re: You Are Nothing Without A Man.... Ladies!!! by johnydon22(m): 1:31pm On Aug 26, 2015*

So true. . forget this societal stereotypes. . . A woman do not depend on a man for her happiness.. a woman can live a life of personal fulfiment, independency and a wonderful happy life without that being dependant on a man being in her life or not..

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Christianity Etc › Re: Karma And Curses by johnydon22(m): 1:22pm On Aug 26, 2015

dalaman:
Human wants are insatiable. But to claim that wealth has nothing to do with success is to deny reality.

I think the fact that you are trying to show here is very clear and obvious bro everyone knows that don't know why they are misrepresenting it and throwing in straw mans...

But to me success means just "To be happy" as long as am happy with myself and what, where i am. .that is success to me.... Being happy

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