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Christianity Etc › Re: Jephthah Did Not Kill His Daughter As Sacrifice To God. by johnydon22(m): 12:26pm On Jun 20, 2015

MuttleyLaff:
Two vows were made by Jephthah
None of them were Human suya or seminary school
but if being lenient, maybe in a kind of non-technical way, "seminary school" was one of the two vows.

show us the verses where he made the two vow...(n.b- dont bring other verses from other bible books, just the two verses from judges 11 where he made the two vows)

Christianity Etc › Re: Jephthah Did Not Kill His Daughter As Sacrifice To God. by johnydon22(m): 12:23pm On Jun 20, 2015

MuttleyLaff:
False

Hahahahahahahaha ok no be quarrel, don't get worked up over biblical fables. cheesy

So Jephthah fulfilled his vow of burnt offering with a seminary kind of vow?

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Adam Truly The First Man On Earth? by johnydon22(m): 12:16pm On Jun 20, 2015

Barnabaseloka:
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Answer me those questions I asked b/c I have shown here what was explicitly written in the Scriptures about the creation of man which you did not believe.

Am sure i said am not an evolutionist, so if your question to me is how man originated, my answer to you would be I dont know

the biblical story you so hype is a very recent story compared to thousand other creation stories found in different cultures..
Mesopotomian creation story, egyptian, mayan, sumerian and babylonia and thousands of them.
And even the biblical genesis story was borrowed from the babylonia creation story Enuma elish. . .

So same way i regard these stories as myth is exactly the same way i regard yours as myth.
And if you know the reason why you disbelief all these stories that clearly predates the biblical stories by thousands of years then you will know exactly why i disbelieve your own biblical myth

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Christianity Etc › Re: Was Adam Truly The First Man On Earth? by johnydon22(m): 12:10pm On Jun 20, 2015

Barnabaseloka:
One thing you should know is that when it comes to 'academics' I discuss evolution based on what were discovered by researchers. But when it comes to my christian faith, I take evolution aside and discuss issues based on what the Scripture (bible) says.

But all your assertions on evolution speaks quite the reverse, it shows you haven't read about evolution or possess keen knowledge on biology if you did you wouldn't have presented the questions you asked the way you did.

That is sure, your christian faith depends on your bible did you expect any different? its all right to base your discussion of your christian faith to the bible because am sure science doesn't deal on faiths.
You cant discuss fish swallowed jonah with biology text book, or hercules killed a lion with biology it must be from homers illiad.

so the way you discuss your christian faith is very okay and am okay with the fact that you dont want to intertwine it with scientific knowledge..

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Christianity Etc › Re: Was Adam Truly The First Man On Earth? by johnydon22(m): 11:41am On Jun 20, 2015

Mellin:
Yes he is but his real name is not Adam but Adamu. Xtianity corrupted the name to enable them hide certain things from the people esp black people

whats the difference. . Adam & Adamu?

Can you explain the origin of that name Adamu?

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Christianity Etc › Re: ALL ATHIESTS Are GUILTY Of This by johnydon22(m): 11:19am On Jun 20, 2015

NumberOne2:
Like I said, view CONTEXT before involvement.

This is MY ORIGINAL post DProDG referred to.

Hope this will help you see where I am coming from before you start posting links that are irrelevant to the CONTEXT.

In addition, you can see that you have proved my point. No vacuum in nature. Push God out, and have superstition.
Man always craves belief in higher beings. It is the way we are built. This is why Atheism is absurd.

First of all belief in a God doesn't fill any vacuum in nature because there is none there, the vacuum you are stipulating is an imaginary one so as to add your imaginary vacuum filler no wonder other animals are not that inclined.

Talk about Vacuums you talk about food chains where everyone participates and is vital to life on earth. . . Not concepts conceived in human minds that has no weight on natural world or reality... That a large amount of humans have this belief (indoctrinated/ passed on) does not in any way makes it real or to have any effect of nature talk more of filling any assumed vacuum.

Bolded, Its very good you are aware it is mere belief and not certainty, believing in imaginary concepts by a majority does not make it a certainty.... You do not have a belief that you can see, you know you can see and that is sheer certainty. .

Am sure if your deity concepts were certainties no one would need to believe, everyone would have known. . . . Lets Check again where the absurdity lies

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Christianity Etc › Re: ALL ATHIESTS Are GUILTY Of This by johnydon22(m): 10:57am On Jun 20, 2015

NumberOne2:
DONE AWAY WITH? From the stats you posted does it seem so?

Please understand CONTEXT before commenting. See the original post above. The dude said "Societies that have done away with ridiculous superstitions " ... From the polls below, does that prove that?

So 66% of the population believe in some kind of Higher Being. 5% Not sure. Is that not superstition? Does that mean the have "DONE AWAY WITH" it? If you are refering to the Christian God maybe, but to the God concept NO! (there is a difference).

Superstition is not belief in a higher being. .
Superstition is the belief in supernatural causality —that one event causes
another without any natural process linking the two events—such as
astrology, religion, omens, witchcraft, prophecies, etc., that contradicts
natural science. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/?title=Superstition

That someone believes in a higher being (some form of agnosticism) does not entail superstition...

You are actually the one who mistook what he regarded as ridiculous superstition (e.g: belief in witchcraft, omens, prophecies, lucky charms) like we have here in Nigeria to be synonymous to belief in a higher being

Christianity Etc › Re: Jephthah Did Not Kill His Daughter As Sacrifice To God. by johnydon22(m): 10:49am On Jun 20, 2015

waldigit:
The story of jephta brings some lessons. We can learn from it when we rely on Holy Spirit to help. Pls compare his story with case of Abraham. God is the one who instructed him to sacrifice his only son. God stopped him when he knew was prepared to do it. This confirms God is not interested in human sacrifice. Even though he had plans to sacrifice his own only beg gotten son. He knows our weaknesses.
Compared to Jephta who loosely made this vow. One reason why many shall never cease to misunderstand God is that He judges the intent and purpose of the heart. As opposed to mans judicial system of judging observation of independent reasonable observer. What happened to Jephta is a judgement of the intent and purpose of his heart. The judgement of the Lord is pure and righteous altogether.

Seriously am sure i never argued whether god was interested in the sacrifice or not, whether it desires human sacrifice or not. . That was not the argument. .

It was whether Jephthah sacrifice his daughter or not of which the story shows he did. .
There is no need bringing in whether god want the sacrifice or not because the bible never said if he accepted it or not in the story..so thats not the topic of the thread or my business.

The clear thing was; Jephthah use her as a burnt offering...True or false?

Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Reasons The Crucifixion Story Makes No Sense by johnydon22(m): 10:40am On Jun 20, 2015

Uuuhm is the above post in English?? cheesy

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Adam Truly The First Man On Earth? by johnydon22(m): 10:37am On Jun 20, 2015

Barnabaseloka:
I don't even know what to make out from this write-up filled with assuptions and speculations. What is that common ancestor that humans evolve from? Do you want me to believe that this common ancestor slowly and gradually evolved to (changed to) man, right? This is ridiculous! These researchers never saw this evolution happen but believed that it might have happened, laying claims to mutation and natural selection.

Lmao am sure i never assumed anything on my write up, i only stated to you what evolution said since i saw you have never read it.

And am also sure i never said am an evolutionist in fact i asserted the reverse at the beginning of my post...

My only reply to you now should be; Start from basic biology and read evolution also then take up the places you don't agree/understand with evolutionists/scientists. . . Am sure you will bag a Nobel if you are able to disprove them.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is Mary To God? by johnydon22(m): 10:32am On Jun 20, 2015

menesheh:

If god ever remember you eeh
Your punishment will be hell fire till eternity ten times

hahahahahahahaha i just stated the obvious naaaaa..

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is Mary To God? by johnydon22(m): 10:32am On Jun 20, 2015

Scholar8200:
Your opinion.

Nope its clear. . Girl has baby for Davido is Davido's baby mama.

Girl has baby for God is God's baby mama.... Unless you think she didn't have a baby for God..

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is Mary To God? by johnydon22(m): 10:01am On Jun 20, 2015

Scholar8200:
Let Mary reply the op:

Luke 1:38

So Mary said, “Yes, I am a servant of the Lord; let this happen to me according to your word.” Then the angel departed from her.

Yeah you are right and then she had a baby for God, which basically makes her

God's baby mama

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Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Reasons The Crucifixion Story Makes No Sense by johnydon22(m): 9:38am On Jun 20, 2015

iliyande:
It not an issue of debate, maybe you imagine arguing with someone who is not in the same class with you. It's very boring

I seriously agree with you on this. . Arguing with someone who is not in the same class with you is very boring . . . Just as we are seeing here..

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Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Reasons The Crucifixion Story Makes No Sense by johnydon22(m): 9:34am On Jun 20, 2015

iliyande:
And you bear the name John? Very funny confused person

it was a name given to me by my parents at infant it means nothing just a name. . . World renown atheist Christopher Hitchens also bears the name Christopher. . .

Lady, names are just names nothing serious...

so is my name a proof of your god cheesy

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Christianity Etc › Re: Was Adam Truly The First Man On Earth? by johnydon22(m): 9:25am On Jun 20, 2015

N.B: I am not an evolutionist i am of the opinion man still has a lot of study to do on the subject of the origin of species before it can be perfected.
I am only replying this post because i clearly can see you have not even read evolution and your biology isnt stable enough... its for the purpose of learning.

Barnabaseloka:
1. So mutation is to be blamed today for man not evolving from primates as they should?

Am i supposed to be teaching people on nairaland what they should have learnt in school... Ok let us go science101

2. It is not even certain when the next humans will evolve from primates, but approx. millions of years, right?

You know if actually you have paid attention to biology class you would have know that humans also falls under the category of anthropoids primates

Meanwhile theory evolution never stipulated humans evolved from primates like you think, but modern primates and humans (still primates) evolved from one common ancestor. . so the modern primates that you are referring are in no way in human evolutionary trend but branched off separately from that one common ancestor. . Just like Cats, lions have common ancestory making them falidea...

3. When did the first set of humans evolve from primates?

#Sighs again humans (primates) did not evolve from other modern primates. . They all evolved from a common different ancestor...Seriously you guys have to read something up before bringing this type of naive questions.

According to study (not me) the oldest hominid fossil dated places at 5
million years ago... so it is speculated that the first hominin Ardipithecus emerged 5.6-4.4million years ago. . You can go read up the evolutionary trend down to homo sapiens

4. Did primates change or transform to humans or did they give birth to humans during the first evolution?

Another naive question that sells out that you have never read anything on evolution... It did not happen all of a sudden like you think, evolution means progress.

It is a very slow change spanning millions of years where by mutated genes carry traits of parents to offsprings. . Let me represent it simply in colours in the picture below.
On the illustration below, the changes within the colours are intertwined that you wont know where the colour red stops and the green starts because it is a slow progressive process... thats exactly how science stipulates evolutionary trends progress, slow and gradual changes.

You seriously i get tired of answering these questions born out of mere ignorance of what a subject say, at least people should read this stuffs before bringing on questions to a public forum

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Christianity Etc › Re: ALL ATHIESTS Are GUILTY Of This by johnydon22(m): 8:53am On Jun 20, 2015

NumberOne2 ok after you read the post above i hope you learn something which is reading through a link before citing it on a public forum.... cheesy

Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Reasons The Crucifixion Story Makes No Sense by johnydon22(m): 8:45am On Jun 20, 2015

iliyande:
In Christianity, we don't argue to prove ourselves unlike our neighboring faiths, but if you have the zeal and the willingness to understand then come with us. We don't argue, because our God is capable of proving Himself.

am not sure you have been on nairaland cus you Christians argue most and many of the times very daft assertions are what they can come up with......

Aaaah for the record, your god just like others has proved nothing and can't even do so... cus its just jewish myth.

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Adam Truly The First Man On Earth? by johnydon22(m): 12:42am On Jun 20, 2015

sylarsquins:
Well I don't see man evolving any further in terms of physical approaches buh instead on all other aspects of life.

Yeah i just mentioned it takes millions of years for any further physical improvement to take place due to mutation

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Christianity Etc › Re: Was Adam Truly The First Man On Earth? by johnydon22(m): 12:01am On Jun 20, 2015

sylarsquins:
As for ur question on why haven't we evolved to another level, Man as humans are known to be the highest level or state of evolution therefore cannot evolve any further bodywise buh on the level of IQ's and knowledge

Nope according to evolution it takes millions of years for the changes required in evolutionary trends to occur.

things that trigger this evolutionary improvements are Adaptation, environment, habitat, eco system which triggers dna mutation.

Modern humans emerged 250years ago so is still young for any future evolutionary change to take place, we would have to exist millions of years for The DNA mutation to take place due to one of the factors i mentioned above and more.

Humans have obviously evolved intellectually the last couple of years, check the ancient and modern times and compare that to now.

for physical evolution to take place it requires a large amount of timeline.
So obviously homo sapiens can still evolve given to the factors i listed above and time.

N.B: I am not an evolutionist yet, the far i know man still has a lot of study to carry out of origin of species before it is perfected... i only replied this as a discussion of evolution and what it entails

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jephthah Did Not Kill His Daughter As Sacrifice To God. by johnydon22(m): 10:20pm On Jun 19, 2015

MuttleyLaff:
Do you know why he tore his clothes

Steady on johnydon22. Dont go up a creek without a paddle

What is very clear and a straight story is your absolute gobsmacking ignorance

What the bible wrote is very clear, how you're going about maligning it, is the story of your life

Oh, have we switched from human burning offering to human sacrifice now.
If God wants to lay down His life Himself, who has a problem with that?
That's all you have "The Sacrifice of Jesus".
Take that away from you, watch your case collapse, as you're spiritually myopic to discern that the bible is litterred with human sacrifices

Hahahahahahahaha another bout of ad hominems and no addressing of the post. . . Lmao. . Ok cheesy

Christianity Etc › Re: Sabbath!!! Who Moved It To Sunday And How Do We Move It Back To Saturday? by johnydon22(m): 10:05pm On Jun 19, 2015

Catholic church did

Christianity Etc › Re: Jephthah Did Not Kill His Daughter As Sacrifice To God. by johnydon22(m): 10:03pm On Jun 19, 2015

Oga MuttleyLaf can you just stop calling my name unnecessarily and deal with the thread, stop the ad hominems and personal words. . It seems you are emotionally worked up at this.. cheesy

Christianity Etc › Re: Jephthah Did Not Kill His Daughter As Sacrifice To God. by johnydon22(m): 10:00pm On Jun 19, 2015

MuttleyLaff:
Capital N O.
Jephthah DID NOT use his daughter as a burnt offering
Human burnt offering is an anathema to God
Jephthah knows this
and so never was he planning or had any intention of offering God a human burnt offering

Hahahahahahahaha really, so who is telling the truth now.. The biblical story or your assumptive assertions?

Clearly he never intended to sacrifice his daughter and that was why he tore his clothes in dismay when she greeted him.
The story was very clear.. He promised to use as a Burnt Offering Who ever greeted him first and then in verse 39 he did as he promised...

it is a very clear and straight story, throwing in your assumptions changes nothing from it.

Besides burnt offering always had to do with animals, never had anything to do with human

Am sure i didn't make the assertion or wrote the story the bible did. . wink

And oh again another example of human sacrifice on a more celebrated scale is The Sacrifice of Jesus

Christianity Etc › Re: How did the White get the Black to believe A White Will Fly Down To Save Him? by johnydon22(m): 9:32pm On Jun 19, 2015

tpiadotcom:
tmi, since I did not ask how old you were.

why is this particular question crowding out other questions you may have been asking before now?

What exactly is wrong with him asking the question he wants when he wants to ask it. . ?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jephthah Did Not Kill His Daughter As Sacrifice To God. by johnydon22(m): 9:21pm On Jun 19, 2015

Tjayjosh:
How can God accept what he strictly prohibited. Clearly shows that you just read the bible. You don't study.

Did Jephthah use his daughter as a burnt offering (just exactly as the story asserted) or not.?

that was the question. . . Am sure the bible didn't mention if god accepted the sacrifice or not after it was made.

Christianity Etc › Re: ALL ATHIESTS Are GUILTY Of This by johnydon22(m): 9:17pm On Jun 19, 2015

francizy:
Insults just because I refused to acknowledge your belief? Bro I didn't come here to argue with any one or criticize any one, I just came here thinking it was going to be fun but hey, you're a Nigerian and you must behave like one. I rather have my brains way behind than attack people who don't align with me. Take care dude..

Am very sure i didn't use any insulting words on my post, When someone asserts that science is worshipped it is clear that person is behind and telling someone he is behind is not an insult in any way. . .Everyone on nairaland know i rarely use abusive words on my posts.

My belief?? lmao its not a belief system, study is not belief.. learning englisg language is not a belief and so is studying sciene.
and this was not even an argument you just need to study more books cus in this age of information, ignorance is a choice.

Once again, am sure i never attacked you through out this post, willful naivete is clearly written all over your post through out this thread and it is very obvious for all to see.

I have done my bid to show you exactly that belief doesn't bear any weight on reality and am sure thats why you bolted when i listed to you features you share in common with other animals.

So i advice you go and read (Am not in any way suggesting you leave neither am i attacking your beliefs) But when you make a very deceptive assertion in a public forum due to willful ignorance or emotional sentiment, be prepared to get corrected..

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jephthah Did Not Kill His Daughter As Sacrifice To God. by johnydon22(m): 9:07pm On Jun 19, 2015

Tjayjosh:
Read Leviticus 18:21; 20:2-5; Deuteronomy 12:31; 18:10-12.

Yeah sure am sure we are reading a story that was written in Judges 11

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