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malvisguy212:
to you, only the devil is involved so the answer soppose to be no. even sinner believe in Jesus, does that mean the holy spirit is upon them? Smh

You really have no idea the contest of the question do you?
the question was

Can one have the holy spirit without believing in or accepting Jesus
Christ ?

read that question again please

Misogynist2014:
I still wonder how you carried out your research on Bible and what gave you the impetus to call your creator 'insane'!

Now comes to the part where i tell you to go fvck urself...

Misogynist2014:
Do you know how many modifications the ideas of Darwin went through and is still going through? If evolution were probable and testable, would it have gone through modifications?
.

Exactly because scientific studies improves with new observations and facts being unraveled and it always keeps improving, thats why its science ..STUDIES

JESUS MOHAMMED MUHAMMED ALLAH HORUS ZEUS

Ok same shiit happens with Allah but not muhammed and others.. lmao.. thats odd.

malvisguy212:
after I gave an example in both case, you still called it contradiction? Demon believe in Jesus does that mean the HOLY spirit is in him? Smh

Then the answer should simply have been "NO" since the devils didn't necessary need the holy spirit to believe in Jesus, then it clearly shows their are circumstances when u dont need d holy spirit to believe in Jesus..

Plaetton question was

Can one have the holy spirit without believing in or accepting Jesus
Christ ?

Having the devil scenario in mind.

Your answer should have been simply [size=20] NO[/size] ...

Misogynist2014:
Is there a need for that? Do you really have to blaspheme to pass your point?

" For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin;
that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."
2 Corinthians 5:21 ►

God is like a driver of a bus with infinite seats and Jesus like a generous passenger, before starting the bus, Jesus paid our transport fare to God, some never had chance to enter the free bus (others didn't want to), some angrily exited to bus (because they were not destined for salvation), while some were lucky to be able to catch up with the bus. In the bus, some insisted on paying their fare, others accepted his gesture, but still saw the need to pay, but WE accepted his gesture and He paid for our transportation. We welcomed Him, He paid for our sins because He was able and capable. Jesus bare our pain, so we may be free from pain. Because of His generous action, we no longer needed to pay, we became free from debt and were qualified for the final destination- a place of eternal peace and Joy. Others were not able to pay because As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: He had no debt but became debt that we may be free from debt.

Blaspheme my a$$....

Ur god can't accept you into his bus without his son being tortured and murdered?

And u are ok with such blood thirsty personality? . . am allergic to bullshiits..especially when it comes with mythical bullcraps.

He cant just forgive you without murdering his son? without a sacrifice? a bloody one as that and whats worse the blood of his own son?

It is barbaric, saddistic,[size=20] blood lust insanity[/size] and nothing near love..

malvisguy212:
the answer is yes and no.
YES;
Demon acknowledge Jesus as the Lord , but not as their saviour,infacte it is because of knowing Jesus is Lord that why satan came to tempt Him, remember the parable of the sower? The evil men say this is the HAIR coming let us kill him and the vineyard will be our.the key point here is that they acknowledge Jesus as the hair to the throne but they did not received him as their king.
NO;
It is the Holy Spirit who imparts and
makes effective within the believer a new nature. new nature is a total
transformation of the believer's make-up and identify.The believer is at this point "born from above" ( John 3:3) and is actually a"new creature" (2Corinthians 5:17). This impartation of, or giving of, eternal life is experienced by all who accept Christ as their Savior.you cannot have the holy spirit and reject Jesus.it does not make sense, Jesus and the holy spirit are ONE in image.

Yes and No... Yes and No to one question? am dead !!!

Now thats another contradiction

Esdb3:
Fool is it only one Bernard Shaw we have on earth?

That bernard shaw died of kidney failure, this one died of lung cancer how is it the same? Don't quote me please, you are just too dull you and plaetton whatever the bitch's name is.

First you lie for ur god crap

Second you rain insults

who knows what you will do next, maybe take guns and start chasing us around to murder us ..

This goes a long way to show Christian morality

Misogynist2014:
All this for a myth!!! Have you ever visited www,creation.com ? It will quench your ignorance.

@bolded, my ignorance? On what please, evolution

Hahahahahahaha scientific studies myth Oh my goodness, education is murdered in Nigeria !!!

Please define Myth for me?

Define evolution?

then define science..

i.e- Please google it, help yourself with google and paste ur reply to me here

Y'all are beginning to loose ya sanity

Misogynist2014:
Imagine after raping a lady (just ensample), you apologize, and she
forgives you, will you be happy with yourself? But after
then, she visits you everyday and even dies donating her
kidney, that her rapist may live. What great love is that! Will you ever think she hasn't forgiven you? Won't you feel foolish thinking she hasn't forgiven you?

The lady is not omnipotent, thereby cannot heal the rapist kidney failure. if she could she would have without donating her kidney.

But your god as you always yap is omnipotent, yet demands blood sacrifice before forgiving sin? That is blood lust.

Cant he just go ahead and forgive you without asking for his son to be tortured and murdered?

It is barbaric, saddistic, blood lust insanity and nothing near love..

Bring a better example

kay1one2:
No.3 brings up the point of the "missing link". No fossil has been found linking that "wonder cell" to the creation of birds. All your other homo whatever can barely be accomodated for except that.
Deep sea fish have been noted to loose eyes they don't use due to atrophy not generate new organs. Modern day changes are rarely creative.
The gene difference between man and apes have grown wider than 5% after the completion of the human genome project; a mapping of the entire human genome. That percentage is big enough to cancel out any form of relationship.
Enjoy your theory of being an absolute mistake!

I just thought i defined to you what evolution is and how it has nothing to do with this your naive childish assertion of a wonder cell.

Your ignorance of scientific phenomenas and studies is very laughable and i am still advising you please pick a book on evolution, stop insulting the intellect of 21st century homo sapiens with this your laughable state yet pitiable condition.

seeing that you obviously didn't comprehend this line, if u did u wouldn't av asked this question let me quote myself to you again.

Evolution simply means change in heritable traits of biological
populations over
successive generations. and proposes that All life on Earth originated
through common descent from a last universal
ancestor that lived approximately 3.5–3.8 billion years ago. . So you
need to shoot the person that gave you that idea that evolution deals
with crawling of life from a single celled organism. Science 101
If you had ever read anything about evolution, you would have known
that evolution is a slow process and takes millions of years.
Meanwhile in todays world fishes have been observed to develop limbs
as an adaptive feature. https://m.youtube.com/watch?
v=3dMRt4NQb1Q

And let me post a simple basic pic of what evolutionary branches is..
(i.e- Just the basic pic because a more complex one will probably confuse you.)

Now help yourself and find the link you wish for

kay1one2:
What's scary about a God who "so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life? !"

And if you don't??

kay1one2:
It won't take me much to do that. But since they are your gods I'll let you do the honours!

..hahahahahahahahaha they are my gods? is this the newest way of dodging answers? since when did studies become deities... Oh am so sorry......

But what type of education do we have in this country for crying out loud This is the result of an epileptic educational system, you see a dude disagreeing with evolution that he have not even read or know anything about Cant even define what you are yapping about!!!

..please boy, are you to tell me you can't define them? Ok just a simple google search, i will like you to google search it and relay me your findings please ..

kay1one2:
And that will help you find your origins?

A very simple question...

What is science?

What is evolution?

what is big bang?

Let us even see if you have the tiniest incline of what you are yapping about? Please help me define them

I always say "I do not know" when faced with the question of how life began, which i know is a very simple answer owing to the fact that its a subject that is still under heavy studies.

But sometimes when you see a naive misguided and poor analogy as this, you are compelled to take on the work of introducing young naive minds to what the studies really says.

kay1one2:
In evolution, adherents believe that everything today came from one cell! From there it "evolved" to produce all creation including man.

First evolution is a scientific theory and is not something to be adhered to or believed. Just like you dont adhere to the meaning of diffusion as defined by science, because study is not a belief system, bear that in mind.

Now let me help and define what a scientific theory means.
Theory (science) A coherent statement or set of ideas that explains observed facts or phenomena, or which sets out the laws and principles of something known or observed; a hypothesis confirmed by observation, experiment etc. I want you to pay real attention to the words Observed facts and confirmed by observation and experiments. This goes a long way to show that theories are not assumptions or wishful thinkings but a way of explaining observed facts and it improves with more studies.

kay1one2:
Now here are a few points to counter that;
1. Every cell is unique hence one cell cannot "evolve" to produce plants, animals and even microorganisms.

First evolution does not explain how life began. (Thats a study under abiogensis, you may do well to learn more about it)

Evolution simply means change in heritable traits of biological populations over
successive generations. and proposes that All life on Earth originated through common descent from a last universal
ancestor that lived approximately 3.5–3.8 billion years ago. . So you need to shoot the person that gave you that idea that evolution deals with crawling of life from a single celled organism. Science 101

kay1one2:
2. There is no current evidence for evolution on going today. Now as a scientist of sorts I know things can change e.g a muscle or part of the body not being used often can atrophy. But there is no evidence of a creative ongoing process in any animal system today. Any change on going is usually degenerative!

If you had ever read anything about evolution, you would have known that evolution is a slow process and takes millions of years.
Meanwhile in todays world fishes have been observed to develop limbs as an adaptive feature.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dMRt4NQb1Q

kay1one2:
3. If you have ever seen the picture of the "evolutionary" tree, you'll see as a creature comes out from the water and "evolves" into "homo-erectus" then into modern day man. Now lots of fossils have been dug up but none has found a missing link between that "wonder cell" and birds. I.e it doesn't account for birds or even plants or other animals like hippopotami or horses.

This line shows you have never opened a book on evolution before, all you take is what you hear from other incredibly ignorant folks and this is the result.

So homo erectus is the first evolutionary trend of man you know? still clinging to our primary school social studies ..lol

I have explained what evolution is, so no need saying more on that. Meanwhile the human evolutionary trend branched off from one common ancestor as other primates.
And these are supported by archeological evidences.
1) Before 5 mya: In Africa, the ancestral lineage of humans and the chimpanzee lineage
split.
2) Before 4 mya: The hominid Australopithecus anamensis walked around
what is now Kenya on its hind legs.
3) >3 mya: Australopithecus afarensis (fossile evidence of this hominid “Lucy”) lived in Africa. And more hominids follows; australopithecus africanus, australopithecus robustus etc .
4) 2.5 mya: Some hominids made tools by chipping stones to form a cutting
edge. There were perhaps four or more species of hominid living in Africa.
5) 2 mya: The first members of the Homo clade, with their relatively large
brains, lived in Africa.
6) 1.5 mya: Hand axes were used. Also, hominids had spread out of Africa
and into much of Asia and Europe. These hominids included the ancestors of
Neanderthals ( Homo neanderthalensis) in Europe and Homo erectus in Asia.
7) 100,000 years ago: Human brains reached more or less the current range
of sizes. Early Homo sapiens lived in Africa. At the same time, Homo
neanderthalensis and Homo erectus lived in other parts of the Old World.
: Human cultures produced cave paintings and body
adornment, and constructed elaborate burials. Also, some groups of modern
humans extended their range beyond Africa.
9) Other Homo species had gone extinct, leaving only
modern humans, Homo sapiens , spread throughout the Old World... http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution

Explanation above is a very basic one so as not to confuse naive minds like yours with the long list and names in human evolutionary trend of which little known to you homo erectus was a recent humanoid.

kay1one2:
4. They also say that the dna of a chimpanzee is 97% similar to man. First, after the mapping of the human genome, that gap has increased a huge deal to less than 93%. Also that 7% difference is enough to kill a man. Imagine that a disease like sickle cell anaemia arises when just one codon in the gene sequence is interchanged. This is less than a 0.000001 difference yet it leads to such drastic consequences that can kill the man.

Where can i start treating such deceptive self induced ignorance. . Boy the difference between Human gene and chimps is less than 2% http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolutionary_genetics . . . These two primates share the same ancestory.

Tigers, lions and ordinary home cats have only 5% gene difference and that puts them all in the same family falidae.
and i dont see you disputing that they are related but you dispute that of humans and other primates because it contradicts your mythological beliefs. . this is science boy.. deal with it.

kay1one2:
5. Life is so beautifully arranged that to believe it all arose from some cosmic mistake is like believing that the "mona lisa" painting in France arose by the accidental spilling of paint on a canvas!

I wonder what you mean by beautifully arranged. if you mean complex, then how then do you believe a more complex idea as god can just pop out on it's own without a creator. following your argument another more complex creator should be responsible for your god then and so it goes on and on.

That you dont know how things came to be doesnt mean you should bring up something archaic and primitive as a god did it. because this kills your intellectual curiosity and retards your ability to learn how it really happened thereby keeping you in a state of self induced ignorance.
Bringing up something like a god did it doesnt answer this question, it only postpones it because you have to assume your god did not need a beginning thereby failing in ur own argument.

kay1one2:
God Created and wants to have a relationship with the created through His Son Jesus Christ!

And after all this naive misrepresent and misguided points you brought up without even reading about evolution, this is were it ends? . . . lmao..

A god that creates because he wants love and worship is Narcissistic and this is a character disorder.
How would a perfect being demand love and worship. .

I beg you, please read about evolution before bringing up childish arguments up in nairaland that only makes someone close face in shame. .

If these stuff you brought out above is your refutation of evolution, please i recommend you to pick up a book on evolution, at least read it first so that you wouldn't open another thread on nairaland and give us another show of blatant ignorance.

And oh before i forget, the only way to disprove atheism is to prove ur god

Misogynist2014:
Both are unproven and unprovable- mere theories from ambitious intellectuals.

I only asked you to define science for me?

what is big bang and what is evolution..?

kay1one2:
You didn't make a point. I just used scientific findings to disprove atheism. Goodluck with your ignorance!

Hahahahahahahaha... you are so funny boy

Misogynist2014:
Are you not a Jew from the tribe of Gad?

Yeah just like you are an egyptian from Giza

MuttleyLaff:
Don't be as thick as a two blank board, Lucifer's day of reckoning is in the future.

..lol.. the future.. that seems to me like a bone in ur gods throat then

Misogynist2014:
Doesn't science hold the 'proof' you seek for? So if you don't believe in scientific fictions called big bang and evolution (those pathetic things), how much knowledge do you then have to dismiss a universe with a MASTERMIND?

Define science for me please ...

Have you even read anything about big bang or evolution?

Tell what you think big bang is and what you think evolution is...

kay1one2:
Non belief in God means belief in another means of creation. Now if it also means non belief in any form of creation, then the psychotic problem is worse than I envisaged!

..lmao you have an ease with offensive words.. i think you need to go check the meaning of atheism.. it's not about creation crap.

So none belief in ur mythology must entail finding another means? what about "i dont know"...

..So your theism makes you a rejecter of scientific findings? wooow nice one, no wonder you are like this.. pathetic.

[size=20] Atheist can find the missing link in evolution really am not sure this dude know the meaning of atheist.. i think he makes atheism out to mean scientist.. Oga atheism means disbelief in god(s). Your thread should be Scientists cant find the missing link. . [/size] Learn and know the difference between atheism and science..

So you christians just open a thread and start insulting each other.. ok good contunu

MuttleyLaff:
Deuteronomy 32:39
See now that I alone am He; there is no God but Me.
I bring death and I give life; I wound and I heal.
No one can rescue anyone from My hand.

1 Samuel 2:6
The LORD kills and brings to life;
he brings down to Sheol and raises up.

Matthew 25:41
"Then He will also say to those on His left,
'Depart from Me, accursed ones,
into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;


Luke 4:34
"Go away! What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth?
Have you come to destroy us?
I know who you are--the Holy One of God!"

The word "destroy" is a translation of the Greek word appolumi.
apóllymi (from 575 /apó, "away from," which intensifies ollymi,''to destroy'')
means – destroy utterly, properly, fully destroy, cutting off entirely (note the force of the prefix, 575 /apó).
http://biblehub.com/text/luke/4-34.htm

..so after all this crap now.. is lucifer still there or is he no longer in existence?..

Pr0ton:
What? Johnydon22 is that true?

Am impressed at the dumb dumber dumbest analogy i have ever seen on nairaland.. "hearing something but not seeing it means not hearing it" hahahahahaha i don die ooo pr0ton come hold me before i faint here..

malvisguy212:
I see, you are not bias this time, keep it up.

Hahahahahaha i mean am impressed at the glaring lie.. How can you even bear uttering such stuff in public.

hearing the voice and do not
see who is talking is the same thing as I do not
hear.

How can hearing something but not seeing still amount to not hearing it... Woooow am still impressed

malvisguy212:
what do you mean by "their"? We are not talking about two different word but ONE and it's the word "hear" and the word (hear) has two different meaning but if you pay close attention to the meaning,they are indicating the same thing. hearing the voice and do not see who is talking is the same thing as I do not hear.

Wooow am impressed . . . really really impressed

according to the fable, the dude created lucifer and that fvcker have been a pain in his a$$ ever since and he cant do shiit to stop it... thats like a stone he created and he cant move the shiit...

Misogynist2014:
Posts like this don't speak well of you both, even when you know you are wrong on your assessment of these verses, you keep and continue enjoying blasphemy, making a logical verse seem ridiculous, thereby making yourselves sound ridiculous in the process. Just read what you've written down, how much sense can you make out of it? Just read the jargon in @bolded, what does it mean?

Lmao this one dont even read the bible

Exodus 4:24-26 24 And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the LORD met him, and
sought to kill him.
25 Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son,
and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to
me.
26 So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art , because of
the circumcision.

Next time read ur bible well.. the bolded meant exactly what it said

Dont forget when he wanted to kill moses and his wife quickly took a
knife and cut the fore-skin of his son's pen!s and rubbed the blood of
moses fore-head then he spared moses... Chai..

GooseBaba:
Chei...! Now you've the authority to speak for a supreme being Whose actions are mysterious and our tiny brain cannot comprehend his ways.

Guy it's either you're not reading what you're writing or you cannot comprehend your own words.

Meanwhile, if you read your bible at all, you would know that your god likes man's genitals. For crying out loud. He makes covenant with man through the foreskin of their blockus. also, he commands his followers to kill their enemies in battle and ask that their genital be mutilated.. Guy stop ostrism... Your god too like prick business. No wonder he no get wife...

Dont forget when he wanted to kill moses and his wife quickly took a knife and cut the fore-skin of his son's pen!s and rubbed the blood of moses fore-head then he spared moses... Chai..

Come see avoidance . . . them no gree tok again

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