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nwabekeyi:
so If in future, another super nova occurs and the dust from the supernova shower on earth and even wipe out humanity or destroy this planet, can we now say that this passage hasn't come to pass or doesn't make sense?

It will be less of dust raining on earth and more of earth getting blown off orbit

nwabekeyi:
do you know that all the transition metals on earth today, from scandium to the actinides and lactinides were all from supernovas? we can't make such elements here on earth or in our sun based on the energy requirement for nuclear fusion reaction for such large element, it has to come from a star that went supernova and they all come from past supernovas. based on this, I believe that passage is right.

Beside that, every organic substance on earth today were fundamentally from the stars, the particles that made living things on earth were gotten previous supernovas.

True. This was before and not after planetary formation.

I explained this in my thread "Songs of the World"

Maamin:
You can continue the science class here for me.

And a potion of space started reacting and gravity begins to cave into itself and a star is born right?

But you believe an invisible entity can't be responsible for this? Hmmm

Gravity is invisible. I'm just saying

Jaynom:
okay the Earth is 4.3billion years old that solidifies my point about Giant fishes

Stephen Hawkins 2.0

Jaynom:
The earth is like 2 million years old.

This is theologically and scientifically incorrect

Dinosaurs existed so did GIANT fishes. Jonah was swallowed by a Fish.

Genius!

Stars raining down on Earth could Mean pieces of Meteors falling on Earth(if you watch how Meteors move they're like falling stars) and not necessarily all of the stars in our Galaxy falling on Earth

Fair enough

Maamin:
And you have seen a star formation before with your naked korokoro eyes abi? Or you are also believing and following what science wrote down ?

I am a science student too..but there is limit to what science know presently and faith is even out of it.

Wonder why gasses burn in such higher density and become million times bigger than earth? Just gasses?

You are an amazing scientist. Your genius level is outstanding. Lol

TATIME:
It will continue to sound foolish to those who don't want to obey divine instructions,so that their minds are resolved as freethinkers to think, talk and do whatever they like until Jesus come and EXTERMINATE them all! Instead of thoughtfully asking "what is behind all of these?" a foolish individual will quickly discard the idea of an unseen superior intelligent being,yet from all indications someone is behind all of these. Because intelligent creatures like man can fool other intelligent creatures sometimes but certainly NOT ALL THE TIME. Therefore there is a clue hiding behind what an ordinary layman can see,Satan instituted so many religions all claiming they belong to the same God and misleading billions both by their utterances and actions but if you truly want to know the TRUE Christians you can know and learn to fully grasp the meaning of the Genesis account of "Adam and Eve"! You'll be surprised to know that what seems to be like a child's play is fulfilling right before your own eyes but out of negligence you don't care to verify!

Excellent rebuttal. . . lol

nwabekeyi:
I think this passage is very much in accordance with the scientific theory of super Nova of large stars.
after a super Nova, the star particles falls into earth

Let me correct this. Supernovas comes with one of the biggest explosions possible in this universe, and not every star can go supernova.

But if a star that is close enough goes supernova, that is the end of this solar system as we know it

and other celestials bodies and these star dusts are used in making compounds and elements vital to the existence of humanity and about one third of anything covering the face of the earth were made of atoms from super novas of larger stars including humans and every other living creatures, so this passage is very correct.

correct but These compounds are made before the planets forms.

Not after.

Maybe we should see it that way too because it's making sense to me.

If we look it this way as i have shown above, it makes less sense because a supernova close enough to throw particles into earth is close enough to destroy the entire solar system as we know it.

Most of the stories in the Bible are in accordance with science, the problem is that both the theist and the atheists complicate issues by reading the bible and taking it literally. Most times when I argue with theist here on nairaland, I seriously think they are not very grounded in the knowledge of the bible and that's why they find it hard to convince atheists.

When I argue with theist here, I try to make them think out of the box but unfortunately, most of them are so inert to reasoning. you need to be well grounded in science and open-minded to be able to see the correlation between the Bible and science.

lol

Maamin:
Here they are again striving with an entity they claim does not exist


Well he that made the stars million times bigger than the earth, made it out of nothing

It is possible he can also make the stars rain on earth and the earth's size will contain them.

He is not bound by logic, he is not even bound by space or time

Next!

Great rebuttal. Lol. You should be very proud

purem:
But do you think theist agree with science that star is bigger than earth?

I doubt if anyone thinks otherwise, theist or not

purem:
Since religion doesn't subscribe to some scientific facts this argument is dead on arrival because theist will prove to you with scripture that stars are as tiny as sand

That is like proving with the scripture that snakes can talk. It doesn't catch on.

And pointing at a scripture isn't really proof - it's in fact the claim itself and proof of a claim is by pointing at the reality of it outside the confines of the claims carrier.

Anyone is welcome to try though

'And so, the stars rained down on earth like fig fruits falling from a tree covering one third of the earth'

Second scribe: (Peeks into the scroll of first scribe) Dude, you know stars are like very huge balls of burning gas, millions of times larger than the earth right?

First scribe: Really?

Second scribe: Yes.

First Scribe: See, don't think about this, just go with it.

Second Scribe: Where were we going with this whole book again?

First Scribe: Honestly, i have no idea from the part he ate a scroll.

Second scribe: Are people really going to believe this?

First Scribe: Haaaaa! You will be surprised my friend. Remember that guy Jonah who got swallowed by a fish and got vomitted 3 days later?

Second Scribe: OMG you are so right, people can believe some straight up crazy stuffs.

topdee:
Exactly! I was explaining in relation to GOD. There is nothing like freewill if there are repercussions: if one can be persecuted as a result of the supposed freewill, then the concept of freewill is an illusion, it's a hoax.

It is like this; For only 100naira you get a popcorn for free ... Lol

frank317:
Doctoralien said serpent was not punished.. Lol. His form was only changed to leave a mark.. I not fit shout.

muttleyflall said serpent was punished for allowing the devil possess it... Serpent is now as conscious as man even with conscience too... Lol.

The bible never even said Satan losses serpent. The serpent on its own free will spoke with eve and deceived her and God cursed it without even mentioning Satan...

Everyone seem to be making things up

Lol.. It's funny but it's hapepening

DoctorAlien:
LOL, imagine the situation nah. Satan did not come in his true form, but came in the form of a serpent. All Eve knew was that she encountered a serpent talking to her. She was saying what she encountered. That was why she said "the serpent deceived me". Perhaps Satan was so masterful with his deceit and charm that Eve hadn't even suspected that it could have been Satan who came in the form of a serpent.

That verse seem to not collaborate with what seem like a personal injection to the story to maintain doctrinal correctness.

Read that verse again.

" then the serpent was the wisest of all the animals "

"And God cursed the serpent"

It was the serpent which is wise and chatty. Read the verse again, God cursee the serpent for its transgression.

BurningBlade:
to show the foolishness of religion.

And what is the advantage of this to the atheist?

DoctorAlien:
Is that what you understood? Would we be talking salvation for ANY human being without Jesus Christ? It is simply, even Adam, from the beginning, was intimated that Jesus would be coming. Gen. 3:15. So, From Adam until Jesus came, people had faith in Jesus.

Isn't that the implication of what you said?

Well, you may still be convinced one day.

True. What is truer is that it is more likely that you figure it out

DoctorAlien:
Using the word "punish" on the serpent is really meaningless. You could say GOD implemented a change on the anatomy and physiology of the serpent at that moment, because even the serpent does not have a mind with which to feel that it has been wronged or wrongly punished. But the message to Satan and to Adam and Eve has been passed by that act.

Genesis 3; 13 -14
Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?" The woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate."

So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, "Cursed are you above all the livestock and all the wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life.


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And again, the whole story seems to explicitly show the serpent did it not the devil.

MuttleyLaff:
The comprehension and significance of the above emboldened (i.e. ... spoken for by the merits of Jesus) went over your head

Think about it this way, free legal aid, the right to counsel and the right to a fair trial

If anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

Glad saying, it doesnt really matter, it came out of your mouth and hand

ok

DoctorAlien:
Bro, all these things are what you think. I will not be surprised too if you say GOD is not omnipotent just because He did not create a square circle.

By the way, a perfect world with freewill was existing until imperfection came in through the only door through which it could have come in: freewill.

in other words, God is incapable of creating such a world?

DoctorAlien:
While this issue is inconsequential to salvation, and admitting that I do not have full knowledge of GOD's counsels and ways(indeed I have only a microscopic little), I would say perhaps to leave a physical(perhaps temporary) testimony of His displeasure at Satan for deceiving man, registered on the creature in the form of which Satan came. The serpent is not a conscentious creature, and so it does not make meaning saying that it was being punished for what it "did". Satan is the one who is going to be destroyed at last.

LOL so the serpent was punished for what it didn't do?

MuttleyLaff:
johnydon22, just like the serpent, you get possessed by whatever you expose yourself to.
You can be possessed by whatever you permit yourself to come under its influence.
All it takes is, a lapse of judgement, a drop in guard, an error of judgement, a metal lapse,
a moment of being emotionally vulnerable for possession to take place

Satan has a free pass, and so with it, enters everywhere on earth with it.

Satan doesnt really need a green light before popping head in or around anywhere
Satan has already being and still is here, on this thread, reading aptly with keen interest

Satan enters you johnydon22, I and everyone.
It's not just Judas, remember the serpent, remember Peter
(i.e. when and where in Matthew 16:23, Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan!'')

It should have known better

hahahahaha ok.

DoctorAlien:
You mean you think GOD would have been more competent if He created robots incapable of disobeying Him?

God is omniscient and omnipotent; By definition he should be able to create a perfect world that still has freewill.

If he can't, this betrays a level of incompetence and defeats omniscience and omnipotence by definition.

God seem to be awfully incompetent at doing these things.

- Regretted creating humans (By virtue of omniscience is impossible)
- Created satan

The argument is; the actions of God as portrayed in the bible evidently contradicts the principles of God by definition of omniscience, omnipotence and omnibenevolence.

DoctorAlien:
Not exactly. Before Jesus came, there was the law. For those that sinned without the law, they will also perish without the law.(Rom. 2:12). Likewise, those who did right before Jesus came will be spoken for by the merits of Jesus.

Seems Jesus coming isn't really that necessary to gain salvation then?

I agree that the IF is a big one, but I can say for myself that I am convinced that the Bible is true.

Some are convinced that Obama is a reptilian from another planet. Doesn't matter really.

DoctorAlien:
Satan, coming in the form of a serpent.

So, why was the serpent punished?

DoctorAlien:
Not really. I would say the story would be different, with the situation probably being worse than this.

Seems God is awfully incompetent in creating the perfect world from the start

DoctorAlien was it Satan or the snake that deceived Eve?

DoctorAlien:
In the spirit of being sincere, tell me, what if someone doesn't want the remedy offered in Jesus Christ? Should GOD force it on such a person? You, will you say GOD is fair if He does that? By the way, Jesus' rising from the dead is very consistent with the entire Bible.

Let me stress this a little; What do you think about those born before Jesus or never heard of Jesus? They'd be condemned too?

If the Bible is true, then I know that no other hell exists other than the one GOD is going to unleash on evildoers at the end.

LOL to be honest, IF the Marvel Comics [/b] is true, i'd be an avenger.

DoctorAlien:
The problem here is that true stories also have climactic endings.

Not necessarily, it seems more so for the fantasy genre. brings more thrill and drama to the whole thing.

Imagine if God simply destroyed satan before he created Adam and Eve, there won't be any story

LordReed:
There are atheists who rather more vocal publicly in other countries but that's because their societies are a lot more liberal already.

It is not about a country being liberal enough really, there is every opportunity to do same in Nigeria; You are probably worried about the reactions.

I have been in a couple of formal debates on God myself, the important question here is why?

Why should an atheist preach his ideas like a gospel to others?

Is it to convert others?
or simply for philosophical exercise?

If it is the former, it is useless; i gain absolutely nothing by turning people away from their faith.

But if it is for philosophical exercise, then i am up for it, not because i want to convert others but because i enjoy philosophical discussions.

BurningBlade:
I wonder why nigerian atheist haven't started taking their 'gospel' outside the shore of social media.

One would have even imagined Seun would have formed a voice for many atheist to rally round so the good news can be spread to many Nigerians via the mass media.

I'm yet to see any atheist on any talk show speaking about atheism, and why nigerians need to throw away their religion, instead, almost if not everything is being done social media. Isn't there life outside social media?

So, I wonder why they're cowards who hide under the vile of social media to argue about atheism and religion.

What exactly is the gain of turning people into atheism.

Unlike Christians who genuinely believe being a Christian comes with a reward after death.

Why exactly should an atheist strive to propagate his ideas?

bloodofthelamb:
It is limited and short-sighted.

You said it