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spongeisback:what do you think? |
vaxx:Wait i don't get this. Did i mention which i think is right or wrong? It was a question to ascertain what people would do at different situations. WTF? |
tintingz:So what are your answers? |
hopefulLandlord:So what do you propose? Religions should remove it's abhorrence of homosexuality? |
JackBizzle:So one cannot hate homosexuality without hating a homosexual? Amazing Saying something logically follows doesn't really mean it does. |
I will post 2 pairs of moral enquiring scenarios to see how people would respond to that. Let us understand the intricacies our moral deductions. Best way for this to work as intended is, you answer each question before even looking at the nexr question 1. A man walks past a pond and sees a young child drowning. He can easily save the child, as the pond is shallow enough that he can stand. But he will ruin his expensive suit in doing so. If he doesn’t save the child, nobody else will, and the child will die. Is he morally obligated to walk into the pond and save the child? 1b. A man plans to buy an expensive suit. With the money he intends to spend, he could instead save the child who lives in some distant country and is dying from malaria. Without the man's money, the child will die. Is he morally obligated to forego buying the suit and to save the child instead? 2. You are standing at the point a train track breaks into two ways. 5 men are working on one side of the track, 1 man is working on the other side, each of them has a sound blocker blocking their ears and do not know the train is inbound. You have the opportunity to push the track lever and direct the train to either of the sides. Which of the sides would you rather have the traib go? 2b. You are standing on a bridge above a train track with a fat man at the point a train track. 5 men are working on the the track each of them has a sound blocker blocking their ears and do not know the train is inbound. The fat man with you can wedge the train if pushed under the train Would you push him or not? |
Martinez19:It is going to be a failure because most Nigerians do not read Newspapers, i know i don't. The market is small so it will have little or no effect. Visual messages on the other hand would work better. TV broadcasted debates with social media publicity. |
JackBizzle:Just to be clear, when we say homophobia what do we mean? Hating someone because he is gay ? Or Hating homosexuality? Cus both are not really the same thing |
JackBizzle:I did not reply that comment because of the bold assumptions it was built on. Homosexuality in ancient cultures is a wildly debated topic more so in Egypt. Most cultures were neither indifferent or did not have a concept of homosexuality within them. Some strickly abhors them, some practised it. And pointing out sango's disciples dressed like women does not really suggest homosexual relationships. I know some people that interpret Jesus having 12 men as disciples to homosexuality. It's just fitting a contemporary narrative into unlikely timeline to score points. In ancient Igbo soceity, a woman with a dead son or dead husband and cannot have any more children can marry another woman but this marriage is not on a sexual note, the new wife is meant to sleep with other men to produce children to continue the family name. I'm not saying that Judeo-Christian doctrines do not contribute to some abhorrence of homosexuality, i am saying many cultures already do so without the influence of Judeochristian religions. |
shanequeen:Three of her kids are |
OsuMustGo:I think three of her kids are |
JackBizzle:Don't narrow your mind between two ends. My reply was meant to show you how Christianity and Islam perceives homosexuality, it wasn't my own idea. Abortion is far more complicated than killing a child. A fetus is neither a child nor a baby. Any reproductive rights activist will tell you that abortion is never their first option. They only will see abortion as an option when other options (such as foster care, giving the child to granparents etc) are not available.There are different stages of human development. I don't think anyone should have the right to kill a baby in the womb. Guy, you have disappointed me with this apologist nonsense you just spouted. Especially with the homophobia thing. You seem to forget that the bible clearly states that homosexuals should be stoned to death and that in islamic countries homosexuals are still stoned or arrested.Doesn't this affirm my position that most cultures abhorred homosexuality? I don't understand how you understand things, bringing out a defence of Christian perspective of homosexuality in no way reflects my own ideas. Even if they do, i am not here to impress anyone really. And please, do not think too much about igbo culture or any other Nigerian culture. I am part igbo myself. Our Nigerian cultures are great but they are also backwards in many aspects. Case in point "osu" (untouchables) in igbo culture.This is simply affirming my reply that most cultures abhorred homosexuality not just Christianity and Islam. Please remain within the premise |
PastorAIO:Let's bring this back? |
adepeter26: ![]() |
JackBizzle:Examples of cultures that abhors homosexuality, Igbo culture. And more correctly, i think Christianity or Islam hates homosexuality the action, it is regarded as a moral aberration like many other actions. People often in this age mistake hating an action with hating a person, they are hardly the same. Universally? Islam and christianity in their traditional/conservative forms are anti-abortion. They want abortion to be illegal. Only extremely liberal christians and muslims support reproductive rightsI don't think killing a baby is something that should be within anyone's right either. How did they contribute? If a christian scientist finds something, does the credit go to christianity as a whole?Ok |
tintingz:I may have diluted the literal meaning of chauvinism in my usage of the word. my bad. I mean racial or ethnical preference or love |
tintingz:It may be through exaggerated experiences, political competition, informed paranoia. This however is a totally different premise. |
tintingz:read the comment you replied again and again. We are not talking about your thinking, we're talking about the effect it will cause. Haba!Same thing. Racial hatred is not an effect of one's racial chauvinism. It seems like you have not be reading anything i have been writing here |
tintingz:Oh great now you coming home. You can be chauvinistic about your ethnic or racial group and not hate other races. there is absolutely nothing wrong in being ethnically or racially chauvinistic. I've seen some yorubas saying thier tribe is the best and dislike igbos because of some stereotype and vice versa. You can even see that here on Nairaland, just go to politics section.This hatred for Igbos was not informed by their love or preference for the yoruba race. It is due to a false or negative stereotype ascribed to the Igbos in his social circle. Look at my reply to earthkumy above. My thinking is not your thinking and vice versa.Correct but thinkings often meet at a center of gravity called logical objectivity. There is still such a thing as being wrong. |
Earthkumy:basically |
Earthkumy:I think racial hatred is a kind of an effect of hateful racial narration and stereotypes which sometimes is an oversimplification or an exaggeration of the said narration. Take for instance if an Igbo child grows up hearing that every fulani is a killer. he will eventually grow up to hate fulanis. His hatred was not influenced by the ethnic or racial difference between him and the fulani but rather by a false or negative stereotypical narration of the fulani he grew up to hear. see? There is no such thing as loving one race means hating the other. Racial or ethnic hatred has different causality and it is logically absurd to suggest chauvinism of one race informs hatred of another. |
tintingz:Too many assumptions, taking the premise out of consideraion. Ok. Can you think PS4 is the best but still like Xbox? Can you think your mom's soup is the best and still like your wife's? Care to answer this time? I think these questions are rather too straight, unwarranting of the dirts you throw into them. You are seeing things in a strictly binary model that is so unrealistic and dangerous at the same time, that is probably why you have quite a narrowed conception of the premise. Preferring A does not mean you hate B. Thinking A is best does not mean you have to or you hate B. You can like this and still think this is the best. Am i too innocent to expect this to be an elementary understanding? |
tintingz:Oh God. I asked a simple question. Is there a difference between "my mothers soup is the best" and "i don't like your soup?" Learn to grasp premises and forget every other assumption you might be tempted to bring in. Just answer the question. |
tintingz:Is there a difference between "my mothers soup is the best" and "i don't like your soup?" |
frank317:There really isnt something stopping this three headed elephant from being God. |
tintingz:Well I'm talking racial or tribal chauvinism |
CoolUsername:No it doesn't. If being chauvinistic about your race means hating the other, then i'm sure thats not the definition of chauvinism. I believe that overtly dogmatic adherence to any ideology or the notion of superiority due to an immutable quality is incredibly dangerous and would almost always lead to hate - I mean bigotry isn't formed in a vacuum.Being chauvinistic about your tribe or race doesn't mean thinking you're superior to others. There is absolutely nothing wrong with thinking your mom's soup is the best. |
tintingz:Being racially or tribally chauvinistic isn't the problem though. Hate - yes. Chauvinism as regards your race or tribe - expected and not misplaced |
Earthkumy:I'm saying things can turn men either evil or good. That's hardly the same thing |
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