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Christianity EtcRe: Moral Problems (questions) by johnydon22(op): 11:43pm On Jul 18, 2018
spongeisback:
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what do you think?
Christianity EtcRe: Moral Problems (questions) by johnydon22(op): 9:24pm On Jul 18, 2018
vaxx:
Another subjective and objective morality misconception from johnydon22.
morality does not justify bad from good,human do.
Wait i don't get this. Did i mention which i think is right or wrong?

It was a question to ascertain what people would do at different situations. WTF?
Christianity EtcRe: Moral Problems (questions) by johnydon22(op): 8:32pm On Jul 18, 2018
tintingz:
Do you watch "The walking dead" and "The 100" TV series?

It shows how circumstances play a role in changing morality, saving 100 by killing or sacrificing 1 person.
So what are your answers?
Christianity EtcRe: Is Religion The Problem Of The World? by johnydon22(m): 6:01pm On Jul 18, 2018
hopefulLandlord:
jonnydon22, everytime I debate homosexuality both online and offline, whoever is against homosexuality would always use religion as the reason. that some cultures were against it at some point is inconsequential here as there are many things our culture allows that religion being against is made them stop doing.

I'm not going to commit black swan fallacy by saying there are people who are against it for purely cultural reasons but even if we see such people their culture built its homophobia on some religious dogma or its a religion on its own

I'm finding it hard putting my thoughts into clearer words right now as I'm a bit distracted
So what do you propose? Religions should remove it's abhorrence of homosexuality?
Christianity EtcRe: Is Religion The Problem Of The World? by johnydon22(m): 5:58pm On Jul 18, 2018
JackBizzle:
You are talking rubbish now.

If one hates a person because the person is gay, that is hating homosexuality.

If one hates homosexuality, then it will logically follow that one will also hate a person for being gay.


Both are the same. Both are examples of homophobia.
So one cannot hate homosexuality without hating a homosexual?

Amazing

Saying something logically follows doesn't really mean it does.
Christianity EtcMoral Problems (questions) by johnydon22(op): 4:51pm On Jul 18, 2018
I will post 2 pairs of moral enquiring scenarios to see how people would respond to that. Let us understand the intricacies our moral deductions.

Best way for this to work as intended is, you answer each question before even looking at the nexr question


1. A man walks past a pond and sees a young child drowning. He can easily save the child, as the pond is shallow enough that he can stand. But he will ruin his expensive suit in doing so. If he doesn’t save the child, nobody else will, and the child will die.

Is he morally obligated to walk into the pond and save the child?


1b. A man plans to buy an expensive suit. With the money he intends to spend, he could instead save the child who lives in some distant country and is dying from malaria. Without the man's money, the child will die.

Is he morally obligated to forego buying the suit and to save the child instead?



2. You are standing at the point a train track breaks into two ways. 5 men are working on one side of the track, 1 man is working on the other side, each of them has a sound blocker blocking their ears and do not know the train is inbound.

You have the opportunity to push the track lever and direct the train to either of the sides.

Which of the sides would you rather have the traib go?


2b. You are standing on a bridge above a train track with a fat man at the point a train track. 5 men are working on the the track each of them has a sound blocker blocking their ears and do not know the train is inbound.

The fat man with you can wedge the train if pushed under the train

Would you push him or not?
Christianity EtcRe: Johnydon22 And Co., When Are We Going To Have This In Nigeria? by johnydon22(m): 4:39pm On Jul 18, 2018
Martinez19:
When are we going to have a newspaper or magazine in Nigeria that criticises and exposes magical thinking and it's effects, especially in Nigeria and also expose and investigate the operations, nonsense, lifestyle and tricks of spiritualist?
It is going to be a failure because most Nigerians do not read Newspapers, i know i don't.

The market is small so it will have little or no effect.

Visual messages on the other hand would work better. TV broadcasted debates with social media publicity.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Religion The Problem Of The World? by johnydon22(m): 4:36pm On Jul 18, 2018
JackBizzle:
This is 2018. Homophobia is not caused by culture anymore. But by religion.

Take a look at the UK. Are you saying that the homophobes in the uk are homophobic because of British culture? No. It is religion.

The same with Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries. The homophobia is a result of religion as homosexual relationships existed within Persian tribes.
Just to be clear, when we say homophobia what do we mean?

Hating someone because he is gay ?

Or

Hating homosexuality?

Cus both are not really the same thing
Christianity EtcRe: Is Religion The Problem Of The World? by johnydon22(m): 4:08pm On Jul 18, 2018
JackBizzle:
cc johnydon22
I did not reply that comment because of the bold assumptions it was built on. Homosexuality in ancient cultures is a wildly debated topic more so in Egypt.

Most cultures were neither indifferent or did not have a concept of homosexuality within them. Some strickly abhors them, some practised it.

And pointing out sango's disciples dressed like women does not really suggest homosexual relationships.

I know some people that interpret Jesus having 12 men as disciples to homosexuality. It's just fitting a contemporary narrative into unlikely timeline to score points.

In ancient Igbo soceity, a woman with a dead son or dead husband and cannot have any more children can marry another woman but this marriage is not on a sexual note, the new wife is meant to sleep with other men to produce children to continue the family name.

I'm not saying that Judeo-Christian doctrines do not contribute to some abhorrence of homosexuality, i am saying many cultures already do so without the influence of Judeochristian religions.
FamilyRe: A Beautiful Dwarf With Her Kids And Her Twin Sister (Photos) by johnydon22(m): 9:50am On Jul 18, 2018
shanequeen:
very beautiful shocked
just pray her kids won't be dwarf too
Three of her kids are
FamilyRe: A Beautiful Dwarf With Her Kids And Her Twin Sister (Photos) by johnydon22(m): 9:49am On Jul 18, 2018
OsuMustGo:
angry angry grin grin grin grin



This her dwarfism is in the gene. Hereditary. bloodline. incurable.



Unfortunately, two or all three of the children are dwarfs cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy
I think three of her kids are
Christianity EtcRe: Is Religion The Problem Of The World? by johnydon22(m): 9:42am On Jul 18, 2018
JackBizzle:
@bold;

Excuse me? Why are you sounding like a christian apologist? Hate the sin and not the sinner? So you now peddle this horseshit too? Have I left nairaland for too long or is this not the same Johnydon that I used to know?
Don't narrow your mind between two ends. My reply was meant to show you how Christianity and Islam perceives homosexuality, it wasn't my own idea.




Abortion is far more complicated than killing a child. A fetus is neither a child nor a baby. Any reproductive rights activist will tell you that abortion is never their first option. They only will see abortion as an option when other options (such as foster care, giving the child to granparents etc) are not available.
There are different stages of human development. I don't think anyone should have the right to kill a baby in the womb.



Guy, you have disappointed me with this apologist nonsense you just spouted. Especially with the homophobia thing. You seem to forget that the bible clearly states that homosexuals should be stoned to death and that in islamic countries homosexuals are still stoned or arrested.
Doesn't this affirm my position that most cultures abhorred homosexuality?

I don't understand how you understand things, bringing out a defence of Christian perspective of homosexuality in no way reflects my own ideas.

Even if they do, i am not here to impress anyone really.

And please, do not think too much about igbo culture or any other Nigerian culture. I am part igbo myself. Our Nigerian cultures are great but they are also backwards in many aspects. Case in point "osu" (untouchables) in igbo culture.
This is simply affirming my reply that most cultures abhorred homosexuality not just Christianity and Islam. Please remain within the premise
Christianity EtcRe: What Is Real? by johnydon22(op): 9:36am On Jul 18, 2018
PastorAIO:
Would consistency be an attribute of true reality. I.e what was was can never be again would mean that it was not true reality. But what was, is and forever will be would be the only true reality.
Let's bring this back?
Christianity EtcRe: [superstition] The Making Of Smart Morons by johnydon22(op): 9:20am On Jul 18, 2018
adepeter26:
Lalasticlala, Come see snake naw.
grin
Christianity EtcRe: Is Religion The Problem Of The World? by johnydon22(m): 9:08am On Jul 18, 2018
JackBizzle:
I agree

You don't see how hating homosexuals just for being gay is wrong?

Furthermore, a lot of cultures were either in support or silent about homosexual relationships until christianity/islam came. A great example is greek culture.

Also, in this modern age, the notion of human rights is universally understood and religion has become a barrier to it. Almost all instances of homophobia is from a religious source- chiefly islam and christianity.

Homophobia is against human rights. Freedom of association and freedom of expression. A human being has a right to associate with anyone (except criminals/terrorists) and has a right to express his or her sexual orientation.
Examples of cultures that abhors homosexuality, Igbo culture.

And more correctly, i think Christianity or Islam hates homosexuality the action, it is regarded as a moral aberration like many other actions.

People often in this age mistake hating an action with hating a person, they are hardly the same.

Universally?


Islam and christianity in their traditional/conservative forms are anti-abortion. They want abortion to be illegal. Only extremely liberal christians and muslims support reproductive rights
I don't think killing a baby is something that should be within anyone's right either.


How did they contribute? If a christian scientist finds something, does the credit go to christianity as a whole?

Furthermore, islam and christianity only contribute to science when their objectives align together. These religions are very anti-science when it does not benefit them.
Ok
Christianity EtcRe: Is Religion The Problem Of The World? by johnydon22(m): 10:42pm On Jul 17, 2018
tintingz:
I know.

Good, can someone with chauvinistic mindset be unbias?

You need to review what chauvinism means.
I may have diluted the literal meaning of chauvinism in my usage of the word.

my bad.

I mean racial or ethnical preference or love
Christianity EtcRe: Is Religion The Problem Of The World? by johnydon22(m): 10:15pm On Jul 17, 2018
tintingz:
How does society came up with stereotype?
It may be through exaggerated experiences, political competition, informed paranoia.

This however is a totally different premise.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Religion The Problem Of The World? by johnydon22(m): 10:08pm On Jul 17, 2018
tintingz:
Displaying Tribal chauvinism regards to your tribe can cause problem, why are many igbos hating on Buhari and fulanis?
read the comment you replied again and again.

We are not talking about your thinking, we're talking about the effect it will cause. Haba!
Same thing. Racial hatred is not an effect of one's racial chauvinism.

It seems like you have not be reading anything i have been writing here
Christianity EtcRe: Is Religion The Problem Of The World? by johnydon22(m): 10:06pm On Jul 17, 2018
tintingz:
Dude, like I said there are different reasons to that question.

I can think Ps4 is the best and as well like Xbox.

I can think Ps4 is the best and dislike Xbox because of it features.
Oh great now you coming home.

You can be chauvinistic about your ethnic or racial group and not hate other races.

there is absolutely nothing wrong in being ethnically or racially chauvinistic.

I've seen some yorubas saying thier tribe is the best and dislike igbos because of some stereotype and vice versa. You can even see that here on Nairaland, just go to politics section.
This hatred for Igbos was not informed by their love or preference for the yoruba race. It is due to a false or negative stereotype ascribed to the Igbos in his social circle. Look at my reply to earthkumy above.

My thinking is not your thinking and vice versa.
Correct but thinkings often meet at a center of gravity called logical objectivity. There is still such a thing as being wrong.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Religion The Problem Of The World? by johnydon22(m): 10:02pm On Jul 17, 2018
Earthkumy:
Which means saying and [b]believing Jesus is the only way to God doesn't mean you hate others who don't believe same like atheist, Muslims [/b]etc.

Even though they respond back with so much hate
basically
Christianity EtcRe: Is Religion The Problem Of The World? by johnydon22(m): 10:01pm On Jul 17, 2018
Earthkumy:
The question now should be what brings about hate?
I think racial hatred is a kind of an effect of hateful racial narration and stereotypes which sometimes is an oversimplification or an exaggeration of the said narration.

Take for instance if an Igbo child grows up hearing that every fulani is a killer. he will eventually grow up to hate fulanis. His hatred was not influenced by the ethnic or racial difference between him and the fulani but rather by a false or negative stereotypical narration of the fulani he grew up to hear.

see?

There is no such thing as loving one race means hating the other.

Racial or ethnic hatred has different causality and it is logically absurd to suggest chauvinism of one race informs hatred of another.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Religion The Problem Of The World? by johnydon22(m): 9:41pm On Jul 17, 2018
tintingz:
There's no simple yes and no to that question, there are different reasons to that.

- Ps4 is the best for me because it has many games collections, Why is Xbox not the best, well "I don't like Xbox" because it has no much games. Infact that's the main reason I don't like Xbox, and I went for Ps4.

- My mother soup is the best, why is your wife soup not the best, well I don't like her soup because she put too much Maggie.
Too many assumptions, taking the premise out of consideraion.

Ok.

Can you think PS4 is the best but still like Xbox?

Can you think your mom's soup is the best and still like your wife's?

Care to answer this time?

I think these questions are rather too straight, unwarranting of the dirts you throw into them.

You are seeing things in a strictly binary model that is so unrealistic and dangerous at the same time, that is probably why you have quite a narrowed conception of the premise.

Preferring A does not mean you hate B.

Thinking A is best does not mean you have to or you hate B.

You can like this and still think this is the best.

Am i too innocent to expect this to be an elementary understanding?
Christianity EtcRe: Is Religion The Problem Of The World? by johnydon22(m): 9:02pm On Jul 17, 2018
tintingz:
Telling your wife your mom soup is the best after taken her(wife) soup will develop hatred.

Even when your wife soup is more delicious than mom's own(no offense just giving example), you will still display the chauvinism ideology, this can cause hatred and clash between both parties.

Extreme chauvinism give birth to hatred and clashes.

Now apply this when a government want employ workers.
Oh God. I asked a simple question.

Is there a difference between "my mothers soup is the best" and "i don't like your soup?"

Learn to grasp premises and forget every other assumption you might be tempted to bring in.

Just answer the question.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Religion The Problem Of The World? by johnydon22(m): 8:40pm On Jul 17, 2018
tintingz:
Yeah, there's nothing wrong "thinking" your mom's soup is the best but there's problem displaying it especially when you're married.

Finish taken your delicious wife soup and said, "oh my mom soup is the best, don't serve me your soup anymore it's not perfectly delicious," ...wait for the result.
Is there a difference between "my mothers soup is the best" and "i don't like your soup?"
Christianity EtcRe: Why Am An Atheist by johnydon22(m): 8:30pm On Jul 17, 2018
frank317:
A three headed red elephant created everything and not God
There really isnt something stopping this three headed elephant from being God.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Religion The Problem Of The World? by johnydon22(m): 8:20pm On Jul 17, 2018
tintingz:
Racism and Tribalism was/is a problem even in this 21 century, yea majority of people will want to be sentimental regard thier race, tribe but we can't rule out this is a problem.

Here's one of the pseudo-scientific ideology to justify racism.

The myth of 'race' has created an enormous amount of human and social damage. In recent years, it has taken a heavy toll in human lives, and caused untold suffering". Such "biological fact" is no longer considered to exist as developments in human evolutionary genetics showed that human genetic differences are nearly totally gradual.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism
Well I'm talking racial or tribal chauvinism
Christianity EtcRe: Is Religion The Problem Of The World? by johnydon22(m):
CoolUsername:
Doesn't chauvinism eventually lead to hate, though?
No it doesn't. If being chauvinistic about your race means hating the other, then i'm sure thats not the definition of chauvinism.

I believe that overtly dogmatic adherence to any ideology or the notion of superiority due to an immutable quality is incredibly dangerous and would almost always lead to hate - I mean bigotry isn't formed in a vacuum.
Being chauvinistic about your tribe or race doesn't mean thinking you're superior to others.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with thinking your mom's soup is the best.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Religion The Problem Of The World? by johnydon22(m): 6:18pm On Jul 17, 2018
tintingz:
Religion is just part of the problem, one of the top problem beside racism and tribalism.
Being racially or tribally chauvinistic isn't the problem though.

Hate - yes.

Chauvinism as regards your race or tribe - expected and not misplaced
Christianity EtcRe: Is Religion The Problem Of The World? by johnydon22(m): 6:17pm On Jul 17, 2018
Earthkumy:
Now you are saying very thing is the problem, religion inclusive, that means man can turn good things to evil.
I'm saying things can turn men either evil or good. That's hardly the same thing

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