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Pio Gama Pinto attracted me because of his Pan Africanism and passion for the well being of Kenyans and Africans,Robert Ouko was one of the learned Kenyan fellas back then.Of course,they both don't match Mboya's legacy,demeanour,charm and wisdom but they had their own place in our history! Significant they were that I learnt of them in primary's social studies texts! And all these men were victims of political assassination!

rvp20182:
Please sometimes you make shocking comparison..Ouko or Pio Gama cannot wash Tom Mboya.The were just all victim of political assisaniation..Maybe Mwai Kibaki could match Mboya Brilliance.Kenya is ahead of say many countries thanks to brilliance of Mboya and Kibaki.

When the governor of Mombasa called up the governor of Nairobi at his office at CITY HALL!

In Nigeria,this two men would probably be old at their sixties!

I sometimes wonder how things would have been if he could have been a president or just alive! It is sad that we lost brilliant people,Robert Ouko and Pio Gama Pinto were other trailblazers victims of political elimination! The list is long though!

rvp20182:
JF Kennedy,Tom Mboya &Martin Luther jnr were so ahead of their time they fell to assassin's bullet but their legacy endures.Tom Mboya by 30 was already a colossus - his opponents scrambled a law to bar young people from leadership.You can imagine someone who counted JFk Kennedy the powerful and loved US president as a friend..his brilliance, eloqounces and charisma was Obamasque in 1950s.And yet he was mostly self taught and never attended college.

Kenyanstar

So you were in Nairaland since 2009? I like it how you use their posts to beat them in this thread!

Kenyanstar:
I told you Nigeria's budget is decorated on paper but in reality it doesnt translate on the ground for its citizen. Big talk and no action
Nigerians reaction to Nigeria's "budget"

This guy was a legend! Here is him sharing the podium with the great Martin Luther King Jnr


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0B60s5NiJw

rvp20183:
Kikuyu1 - African Student Airlift programme - gave us the crucial head-start thanks to Tom Mboya. Mboya was so brilliant & powerful they had to enact a bill in parliament to introduce 35yr age limit so he couldn't ran PORK - and he eventually fell to assasin bullet.
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In April 1959 Kenyan trade unionist Tom Mboya came to the United States for a six week tour organized by the American Committee on Africa. Mboya gave speeches on college and university campuses. In total he spoke at nearly 100 meetings. On campuses where he spoke he met with the president or other officials and asked for scholarships for African students. At the end of the tour Mboya had promises for over 40 scholarships. Shortly after Mboya returned to Kenya the African American Students Foundation (AASF) was established to raise money to bring the students to the United States. The AASF raised an initial $39,000 and the first 81 students arrived in September 1959. Baseball star Jackie Robinson and performers Harry Belafonte and Sidney Poitier led the initial fundraising. There was a two day orientation program for the initial 81 students. In 1960 the Joseph P. Kennedy Foundation gave $100,000 to AASF. As a result in 1960 three planes were chartered bringing 222 students from east and central Africa. In all over 770 students from 10 East African countries, 85 percent from Kenya, came to the United States and most returned to civil servant positions after independence. AASF was founded by William X. Scheinman who served on the board. Frank Montero and Ted Kheel were also on the board of AASF. Cora Weiss was Executive Director and student adviser. AASF sponsoring organizations included the American Committee on Africa and the Phelps Stokes Fund. Students included Wangari Maathai who later became the first African women Nobel Peace laureate. Barack Obama Sr, father of 44th President of the United States, did not come on one of the planes charted by the African American Students Foundation but did receive financial support from the foundation once he was in the U.S. See Airlift to America: How Barack Obama, Sr., John F. Kennedy, Tom Mboya, and 800 East African Students Changed Their World and Ours by Tom Shachtman.

South Africa

revenues: $92.38 billion
expenditures: $103.3 billion (2017 est.)

Angola

revenues: $35.59 billion
expenditures: $44.64 billion (2017 est.)

Egypt

revenues: $37.63 billion
expenditures: $58.55 billion (2017 est.)

Algeria

revenues: $52.08 billion
expenditures: $70.74 billion (2017 est

Kenya

revenues: $15.43 billion
expenditures: $24.59 billion (2017 est.)

Ethiopia

revenues: $12.11 billion
expenditures: $14.63 billion (2017 est.)

Nigeria

revenues: $13.97 billion
expenditures: $22.15 billion (2017 est.)

But Nigeria's budget is 70b. Give us a break!

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2221rank.html

This guy is loosing it.He says it's 40-45 then he again says 50,yet again he says it's 70.The meager revenues you collect can't allow you to have such a budget!

forgiveness:
Now you are talking. Compare Nigeria's $70b budget for both Federal and state governments with Kenya's $29b dollars for both central and 47 counties. Then you can see Kenya is below the pecking order.

I have proven beyond reasonable doubt with concrete, genuine and reliable source that Nigeria's Service sector is 3- 4 times of Kenya's service sector. No need for unecessary perambulating.

If you now add Nigeria's industrial and Agricultural sector, Nigeria budget is more realistic than that of Kenya's.

Go and ask why your budget was slashed.

Budgetary deficits are always going to be there

Very few countries have a surplus in their budget

But Nigeria's budget projections and estimates are way exaggerated! So it's hard knowing how much they really spend!

Nigeria's budget fluctuates on how much oil will be selling per barrel! The economy is still much dictated by oil!

rvp20183:
Less than 15% of the budget was released. I am shocked.

Music break from their Falz - This is Nigeria.

This is Nigeria
Look how I'm living now
Look how I'm living now
Everybody be criminal
This is Nigeria
Look how we living now
Look what we eating now
Everybody be criminal

They are the masters of unrealistic budgets!

''He said: “I am just quoting the Senate Leader from his speech, which said the 2018 budget was designed to consolidate on the achievements of the 2016 and 2017 budgets. What was done in 2017 when less than 15 per cent of that budget was released? Nothing was done and that was why I called it (2018 budget proposal) fictitious. I am very sorry if that is the word he is bothered about. I will withdraw the word ‘fictitious’ and use ‘totally imaginary.” According to Abaribe, the receivables (revenue) in the budget were being exaggerated, adding that the revenues were only one-tenth of the figures being claimed by the government. He stated that the budget was being predicated on parameters that have been destroyed by facts available.
Senator Ben Murray Bruce (PDP Bayelsa East) in his own contribution said that the 2018 budget proposal is a “budget of active imagination,” as according to him, the budget is already committing 25 percent to debt servicing.''

This was quoted from http://www.thetidenewsonline.com/2017/11/29/senators-slam-fgs-2018-budget-say-projections-unrealistic/

rvp20183:
For argument sake - let say it's 28.9B (round off to 29B) - against yours 25B - that is entirely based on Oil (with unrealistic projections ).

That was just due to the dollar fluctuation. The dollar has been for a long time hanging between 100-103.I think you went by the current dollar trading to the shilling!

forgiveness:
Liar!

You would want to read this!

https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/oped/comment/Uganda-small-minded-Kenya-and-Rwanda-think-big/434750-4610144-5o9h6b/index.html

rvp20183:
Wake us up when that happens. Tanzania never really had a corruption problem like we do have in Kenya or Nigeria. I mean Nyerere never stole - he died a pauper. MKapa & Mwinyi were never really corrupt. Maybe there was nascent corruption under Jakaya Kikwete but it's nothing serious. Tanzania has never had problem with it's political stability or governance.

Your problems we have told you is the debilitating legacy of Ujamaa/communism that has bred an environment where personal advancement is frown upon & private wealth is discouraged. That philosophy is still manifested in all levels.

You need to really embrace capitalism. Start with land. Privatize all lands save for land reserved for public goods (road reserves, forests, parks). Improve protection of private property. Allow people to sell land freely. I know you fear Kenyans will come and take over you land - that is just irrational - Uganda has lot of arable - and nobody is taking over.

And then continue with privatization - build a private sector like we've done here and stop meddling in private business. Gov should facilitate private sector and should ensure there is stability in policy - don't wake up like Magufuli with sweeping changes everyday. That scare investors.

Once you've planted the seed of capitalism - Tanzanians will stop being lazy and jealous - and become hardworking & aspirational (greedy for success). US is the capital of capitalism and their work ethic is un-matched - people work 2-3 jobs for long hours - so they can live great lives.Kenyans also wake up early and sleep late because there is no community or gov or village to bail you out - you work or you starve - the more you work the richer you get.

Your other problems we have told you is very bad education where 90% of your kids end up in High school without the ability to write, read or speak English and they are expected to be taught complex stuff in English- the language of instruction. Your language policy has failed but you're stuck right there. You either decide to go fully Kiswahili or English. Ghana, Kenya, Nigeria, Zambia, Zim, Uganda and name them - had these debates - and all decided English was the way to go.

For those saying that Kenya's SGR is overpriced.Just look at the scope of works. Imagine the entire railway track is fenced!

Civil Works

Build a single line Standard Gauge Railway line connecting Mombasa to Malaba.
Electrification of the infrastructure: to be installed in future
Build main freight exchange and passenger stations at Mombasa and Nairobi
Fence out the track throughout its length
Build Marshalling Yards at the Port of Mombasa and Nairobi hub

Phase 1 (Mombasa – Nairobi)

Route length = 472 kilometres
Total track length = 609 kilometres
Build intermediate freight exchange and passenger stations at Mariakani, Miasenyi, Voi, Mtito Andei, Kibwezi, Emali and Athi River
Build 23 crossing (passing) stations
Build 8 underpasses for animals within Tsavo National Park

Phase 2A (Nairobi – Naivasha)

Route length = 120 kilometres
Project incorporates construction of a 5.3 kilometres tunnel
Project will have a connection to proposed Industrial Parks planned for locations within Navaisha Sub-County and Narok County
Build intermediate freight exchange and passenger stations at Ongata Rongai, Ngong township, Mai Mahiu township, Suswa township Supply and Installation of Facilities, Locomotives and Rolling Stock
Supply and install signalling, communications and train controlling facility
Supply and install maintenance equipment at the maintenance depots
Supply and commission 56 locomotives
Supply and commission 40 passenger coaches
Supply and commission 1,620 freight wagons
Install water and electricity at every station

http://krc.co.ke/sgr-scope-of-works/

Mixed economy? Looks like we have another excuse here! So what model does Kenya and the rest practice?

forgiveness:
Nigeria practices mixed economy. That is all I have to say.

Let us see what others out there are saying,According to CIA.The CIA are intelligent enough not to lie and publish fictitious data to the world!

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2056.html


South Africa

revenues: $92.38 billion
expenditures: $103.3 billion (2017 est.)

Angola

revenues: $35.59 billion
expenditures: $44.64 billion (2017 est.)

Egypt

revenues: $37.63 billion
expenditures: $58.55 billion (2017 est.)

Algeria

revenues: $52.08 billion
expenditures: $70.74 billion (2017 est

Kenya

revenues: $15.43 billion
expenditures: $24.59 billion (2017 est.)

Ethiopia

revenues: $12.11 billion
expenditures: $14.63 billion (2017 est.)

Nigeria

revenues: $13.97 billion
expenditures: $22.15 billion (2017 est.)

Anything for one to say?

But then again you once said 70b. Even 70b would not cater for that huge Nigeria population! Egypt are 97m and have a 40 billion budget! Kenya are 50m and have a 30b budget and Nigeria are 197m and have a ...

forgiveness:
Our national budget was $29.8b dollars. State is around $40 - $45b dollars.

This is ya Kenya's budget.

Stratmore School Of Law,Kenya

Strathmore's partnership with Yale and Microsoft has made it able to attract both part time and full time tutors from some of the world's top universities!

Riara University,Kenya

Sharp brains are everything for a nation,for a people to prosper! There will be no more Universities certified now,the government is now going technical.We must balance both soft and hard skills!

It's time for improving our technical capacity! Our partnership with Germany will with no doubt improve our capacity to churn out very skilled students in various technical courses!https://www.capitalfm.co.ke/business/2017/01/germany-support-kenyas-technical-training-institutions/

rvp20183:
Impressive. We need to focus on improving quality - now that we have sorted access to higher education now - that mean massive investment in our current universities. No need to expand them anymore.

Strathmore University, Kenya

The best in law having dethroned UON

USIU University Kenya

Can you spot our Nigerian brodas?

Just not a fan of him! He has high chances of being the President but my prayers is that he falls in his presidential quest!

kikuyu1:
Ruto has the numbers,energy and is fully on board with V 2030; he already has a working relationship with our policy makers and implementors which in the real world counts for much.

Masai Cricket warriors

What they said-"Bowling wasn't hard for us,it was like throwing a spear''

There exist articles pointing out their budget to be only 25 billion USD.

9.1 trillion Naira gives you 25b

https://www.ecofinagency.com/public-management/1605-38489-nigeria-parliament-increases-2018-budget-to-25-billion

http://www.africanews.com/2018/06/21/nigeria-s-president-muhammadu-buhari-signs-2018-budget-into-law//

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-15/nigerian-lawmakers-increase-2018-spending-plans-to-25-billion

I can't really trust them! Even a 50 billion USD budget for Nigeria is still low considering how many they are!

How realistic are their estimates?

rvp20183:
Total state+federal budget of 2017 was 41B ( I am adding 1B for 3 missing states). Get us Local Authorities Budget so we can conclude this debate. Kenya total budget for Counties & National - was around 35B (National had 31B). As you can see with all the OIL and with all 200M people you budget is really TINY - you are 5B better than Kenya - and yet most of the budget making is unrealistic - unrealistic estimate of oil production & internal revenues.

Devolution didn't get 2b! Do your math again!

forgiveness:
See what Kenya's 47 counties get from the$30b dollars.

$2b dollars Crumbs!

Our budget wasn't 24 billion US dollars.Get your facts right!!

It was 30 billion US dollars! https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2018/06/14/inside-the-sh3-trillion-201819-budget_c1772862

This was your budget! There's nothing like 70 b!

https://af.reuters.com/article/investingNews/idAFKBN1JG1IR-OZABS

Kenya's counties collect their own revenues for their own budgetary commitments and also receive a 15 % of share of the total government's budget!

How you come up with numbers to get 70b is still vague.Provide irrefutable proof of each state budget and it's own revenues.Come up with clear computations to make up that combined 70b. Otherwise,you'll be talking to a wall!

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/249059-2018-nigerias-biggest-budget-yet-meagre-compared-angola-south-africas.html

Analyst from the above link talked of Nigeria's 2018-2019 budget.It is sad that they didn't mention the 'other budgets' and no one sees it because it's simply not there or it's insignificant or maybe it only exists to you!

forgiveness:
It is very disappointing that Kenya's here can't understand the basics core of government..

Under Kenya's unitary system of government, budget is allocated to the 47 counties in Kenya.

Kenya's total budget for 2018/2019 was just $24b dollars. From this, $2.7b is allocated to the 47 counties due to Kenya's system of government. This is called devolution budget in Kenya.

That is not the case with Nigeria. There's nothing like devolution budget allocated to the states rather all states generates revenue to make their own budgets.

For example, Lagos state 2018 budget was $3.9b dollars. River State was $1.4b dollars. Akwa Ibom $1.8b dollars. Cross River State was $3.6b dollars. Delta state was $1b dollars. Ogun state was $1b dollars etc This 6 states total budget for 2018 was approximately $12.7b dollars. if I add the remaining 30 states and FCT, we are talking about $45b - $50b dollars. Now, add that to our national budget, we can't get nothing less than $70b dollars.



This allocation is called devolution of


https://www.google.com.ng/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://kenyayote.com/kenya-budget-2018-2019-summary-and-full-pdf-statement-henry-rotich-speech/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwiatez_zvDeAhVqyoUKHRMIB2IQFjACegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw2mXsMSTvQ1bR2KG14By4ju&ampcf=1&cshid=1543186301427

Ruto? Oh give me a break! A tree log would lead us to prosperity than that man!I hope the 'power brokers' take it from him! He just doesn't cut it for me,but it's called preferences. Good-luck with your guy!

kikuyu1:
Someone was asking our next prez? You mean you didn't know? Srsly-its Ruto,though the maize thing isn't looking good,tbh! Its been agreed upon and decided-Mudavadi is wayyyyyy overrated on all levels: he's a pedestrian leader and economist whose only claim to fame is that the West unlocked foreign loans in 93 when he was the finmin for which he took credit. He has no ideas or policies worth mentioning.
Uhuru in early 2017 prayed for rain in Nyeri and it rained for 20 mns-is he a rain maker!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV826IhojA4


https://www.nation.co.ke/counties/nyeri/Uhuru-became-a-rainmaker-in-Nyeri-/1954190-3781692-bby23dz/index.html

Well,let's us just play by their cards. Let's hope whoever the power brokers would choose would be a great leader!

Yobeezy:
You're correct,I think Kenya's politics has been for long runned by strong political elites and cartels since time immemorial,as we speak they already know the 2022's cabinet.
So amusing that our voting rights are to some extent infringed.

Not a bad lineup. I wouldn't mind guys like Kivutha Kibwana or even Wycliffe the governor. But the nature of Kenya's politics won't allow this men to win the presidency

Yobeezy:
My preferable contestants are Mudavadi and Matiangi' being president and deputy respectively.
These two guys will put the country into right shape I bet but the current dp is a threat to other rivals and a planned political strategist who might clinch the top seat of the government come 2022 elections.

Insiders say that he is Kibaki's first choice. He would have been at the helm if Uhuru didn't accuse mashetani of swaying him from wanting the top seat! But it's about 2022,who would you suggest? Who has the brains to transform this country?

rvp20182:
Haha.Mudavadi a brilliant economist that so funny.Kibaki is indeed a very brilliant economist but kindly don't throw such words carelessly.Mudavadi is third rate land economist.Youre very young.Uhuru is definitely intelligent.. you can tell he didn't come empty from Amhrest.

Let him write his verbiage and his essays,respond to him not! Responding to a rat hunter who doubles up as a Nyaope sniffer won't do you any good!

Kur17:
After consuming allot of rodents, seems like he has developed that traits of a cat, he's so possessive of his"meal" rat

Let us cease discussing Tanzania. It's a ' non issue ' as far as this thread is concerned!

Kur17:
That will take a century... .

They've been brainwashed by their authoritarian President, they can't even access critical information about their country's direction...