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Costs will never be the same! That's the point!

68816419:
keep quite u fool, and you think Nigeria and Ethiopia's SGR ain't fenced and never had same issues as yours (compensation, labour wages...) how much does fencing a 470km of "single line" rail costs, what types of Sgr classification is yours and was the first phase rail construction costs parts of Naivasha lines, if yes, what's the distance from Nairobi terminal to Naivasha .?

We can talk about money ritual practices in Nigeria.Let me tell you,the pictures of your folks holding other people's freshly cut off heads are so so out of this world!

samorobo:
No one. I personally can think of endangering my self

Kenya's Railway is Earthquake Proof.Can sustain an 8 Richter scale Earthquake!

It's built like a bird nest,all units are tied together.We are talking of a formidable class 1 Chinese Railway!


Contractors have allayed fears earth tremors can destroy the standard gauge railway line.

China Communications Construction Company, the contractor working of the Nairobi-Naivasha line, said on Tuesday they have implemented new technology to ensure the lines are safe from earthquakes.

CCCC's spokesman Steve Zhao said many geologists were involved in the installation of the technology. He spoke to reporters in Naivasha.

There were fears the line could be damaged following tremors that shook several counties on Sunday.

On Monday, the Kenya National Highways Authority said a fault line on a critical bridge along the Naivasha-Mai Mahiu highway could be as a result of the tremors.

But CCCC said the sgr line is safe.

Zhao said all elements in the station buildings, such as walls and the roof, had been tied together like a giant nest.

“This will act as an integrated unit during earthquake shaking, transferring forces across connections and preventing separation,” Zhao said.

Zhao said other earthquake resistant measures incorporated in the line include building the railway track on a wider sub-grade - the foundation the track is built on.

“The sub-grade and slope in the sgr Phase 2A are relatively higher and wider in comparison to Phase 1 from Mombasa to Nairobi,” he said.

He said the contractor had determined the safest seismic fortification to be implemented for the line to meet an earthquake resistance intensity of 8, in the area between Embulbul – Ngong and Duka Moja – Narok.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJcbRjqlfic

For those saying that kenya's sgr is overpriced.Just look at the scope of works.Not all railways are the same!

Civil works

Build a single line Standard Gauge Railway line connecting Mombasa to Malaba.
Electrification of the infrastructure: to be installed in future.Install a line ready for future electrification
Build main freight exchange and passenger stations at Mombasa and Nairobi
Fence out the track throughout its length
Build Marshalling Yards at the Port of Mombasa and Nairobi hub

Phase 1 (Mombasa – Nairobi)

Route length = 472 kilometres
Total track length = 609 kilometres
Build intermediate freight exchange and passenger stations at Mariakani, Miasenyi, Voi, Mtito Andei, Kibwezi, Emali and Athi River
Build 23 crossing (passing) stations
Build 8 underpasses for animals within Tsavo National Park

Phase 2A (Nairobi – Naivasha)

Route length = 120 kilometres
Project incorporates construction of a 5.3 kilometres tunnel
Project will have a connection to proposed Industrial Parks planned for locations within Navaisha Sub-County and Narok County
Build intermediate freight exchange and passenger stations at Ongata Rongai, Ngong township, Mai Mahiu township, Suswa township Supply and Installation of Facilities, Locomotives and Rolling Stock
Supply and install signalling, communications and train controlling facility
Supply and install maintenance equipment at the maintenance depots
Supply and commission 56 locomotives
Supply and commission 40 passenger coaches
Supply and commission 1,620 freight wagons
Install water and electricity at every station

http://krc.co.ke/sgr-scope-of-works/

68816419:
Ur president and his cabinets are profound criminal...

Land compensation,labour wages,sgr type classification all play part into the cost.For instance Kenya has fenced it's railway from Mombasa all the way to Naivasha.Such minor details increase up the cost.Also a ready power line runs parallel along the line ready for future electrification!

68816419:
Ur president and his cabinets are profound criminal...

If you want a cheap version of the Jeep,Hilux,Vitz or Prado.Just go to IVM and get one! Do they draw their own prototypes on paper or they come ready being designed from China?

rvp20182:
They are just arguing here because they are desperate for any success in their poverty-ridden hopeless country. The manufacturer of shitty cars in China is well known. In a functioning country that has standards and the works - you'll not be allowed to claim 'Made in Nigeria' badge if you - but were dealing with a country of morons by morons. Any Nigerian with a half a brain left the country never to come back. The cream left and here we are dealing the dredge...

Wait

Does Nigeria manufacture vehicles?

theenchanter:
only 40 mobius vehicles were sold....

Are kenyans not buying ur locally made vehicle? Or is d vehicle manufacturing company still at infancy?

What IVM are doing is car assembling! There is nothing Nigerian about their cars! Some of their cars look like some knock off Jeeps,Hilux or Prados.There is much plagiarism in their designs,zero originality!

rvp2018:
Mobius last I checked were using KVM - in Thika town - for their manufacture. They have original designers - have hired top guys from top European and US car manufacturers - and are actually manufacturing a car. Re-badging Chinese clones of cars is not something we need to discuss here.

The Chinese aren't even our greatest lenders,the Bretton Woods institutions are.

rvp20182:
You'll find such articles funded or written by Western as Chines eat their challenges. The true story about Kenya SGR is great success. The NBO-MSA railway was constructed in record 3yrs - and began passengers services in June 2017 - and cargo in jan 2018. For passengers - four trains - two trains each direction ply the route daily. For Cargo - we began with 1 train in Jan - and kept adding a train every year - and now we are doing 14 trains each direction - about 28 trains per days.

Here is the chinese ambassador to Kenya take.

We believe SGR is economically viable. Note that in first year of operations, Mombasa-Nairobi SGR has earned Sh10.33 billion, which is close to the operating cost of Sh12 billion. It’s never easy for a railway project to achieve nearly break-even in a year. Kenyan and Chinese operators deserve credit for that achievement. China has full confidence in Kenya’s ability to make profits from SGR.

The Mobius may not be so much spectacular but most of it's components are made locally.It was mostly built by hands and it's only this year that robots will be doing much of the work!

rvp2018:
Now that is car manufacturing - re-badging Chinese cars - like Nigerians and Ghanians are doing is crazy and won't be allowed in many countries - and would be treated as importation.

Mobius Offices

The new Landrover Defender first testing is in Kenya! This is before it's global sell roll out!

I know you love some old stuff! Here's some from Mombasa!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6HUoeYgKHQ?t=77



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wuzvv6u3h94?t=8

TayserMahri:

Why do Kenyans love the Congolese? It's because they sing us!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-lntMv4OtQ?t=109

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c1uiYTmeDw?t=32


They can't even afford a towing tractor!

TayserMahri:
Exactly. Their value is in their contribution to GDP (multiplier effects). Even the Kenyan govt knows that. Air Tz should be completely broke in no more than a few months. No hating.

We have a geographical advantage. The centrality of Kenya in the world hasn't been fully harnessed!

mtisTheQubit:
Dude you dont get the whole idea of belt thing..its a way of China expansion an i did not see any line linking china to lagos or any west africa port..What Chine wants it can get it in Greater east Africa.if its oil everyone got it here..If mineral DRC got everything .even our j.. neighbor have more minerals than any west african country.The only thing china needs from your place is the zombies who will buy their products.You see Kenya is Blessed in a way (kazi be ashamed ) .Our locality is everything ..We are the entry point in African the way Chinese sees it..Just look at the map below an learn something..Dont just quote stuff which are not there..just look at the map

They should post the profits of their railways corporations and air national carriers!

tylann:
They should tell us where they are making profits

''But but but you are making losses,but but but....''


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You can feel the presence of South Africa's GDP.Whilst Algeria,Egypt and Morocco have bigger GDP's than Kenya,you won't see them featuring top and being much visible in each and every stat.They(SA) are still to some extent a mineral based economy but they've been able to create and bring synergy effect from all sectors of their economy as compared to the other countries that currently beat Kenya in GDP terms! It is for this reason that they are touted as the most advanced economy in the continent!

rvp2018:
Africa top 5 busiest airports are - Nigeria's Lagos Murtala Airport nowhere to be seen.
1) Johannesburg International Airport, South Africa,
2) Cairo International Airport, Egypt,
3) Bole International Airport, Ethiopia,
4) Jomo Kenyatta International Airport, Kenya
5) Cape Town International Airport, South Africa.
https://www.kenyans.co.ke/files/styles/article_style/public/images/news/aerial_view_of_the_jomo_kenyatta_international_airport.jpg?itok=4quUHmi5

These are the benefits!

So you are saying that 3 million people and almost half a million TEUs have been transported without accidents being reported? That's one of the benefits you can pull from usage of Railway transport!

rvp2018:
In the meantime - Kenya SGR - started construction in 2014 - and in record 3yrs was in Nairobi - and now in Naivasha (about 600ksm) - and in 2yrs of operation (1 yr for cargo)...

According to the statistics from the Africa Star Railway Operation Company Ltd, by 31st May, [b]SGR has offered service to 3 million passengers and transported 440,000 TEUs. The transportation management to 25 stations out of 33 is fully handled by Kenyan employees. The localization of 9 passenger service stations, train service and passenger management has reached beyond 90%.[/b]

Compare to NIGERIA

Nigeria SGR I think began in 2006 and is still far from complete - Lagos - Kano SGR - only complete part is Abuja-Kaduna -200kms- (possibly with embarrassing operational stats).

Abuja-Kaduna - (3yrs) of “safe operation of the Abuja- Kaduna train service” offering services to over 1.5 million passengers so far. MSA-NBI in 2yrs - 3M passengers.

The mayors certainly did a good job all over the country.Is Nakuru still the cleanest town/city in East Africa? The governors should do more!

rvp2018:
Nairobi of the 90s
https://inassets1-internationsgmbh.netdna-ssl.com/image/static_1024_576/static/bundles/internationsseo/frontend/images/localcommunityHeroV3/129.jpg

Waiting patiently to see if Air Tz and their railway will make profits! It's a worldwide phenomenon that such ventures mostly don't generate monetary profits even those in developed nations!

TayserMahri:
You can sing that to the birds. I will never take you seriously, and your Tz. You hyped your SGR too much until you confused Uganda. Now after realizing how much you have wasted them with your sluggish, snailish, tortoise pace they have turned back to the Kenyan route and committed real money this time. Though personally I had a feeling Uganda was co-opting your route to hide their own shortcomings. They knew they had no money to start with, and virtually no institutions would be willing to lend them, and Kenya would really rush them on the project because they knew when Kenya commits to something it is as good as done. So they pretended to be having deeply thought & smarter plans with the Tanzanian route to mask their own weaknesses - knowing of course your slow pace would buy them much needed time and space to breathe and atleast gather a few funds. They were never serious on your route, just saving face. Either way, your SGR is now on its death bed. And you should be thankful actually. It was too expensive for you anyway. Its good to learn to live within your means. Dont try to compete with Kenya - utapasuka msamba

So this is one of the biggest projects in the world? The Tanzanians are on meth!

Acadavah:
The first phase of sgr will complete in November. Uganda Tanzania pipeline was planned to start this year June. LNG plant was planned to start at 2022. The LNG cost 30B us dollar which is half of our GDP that's why the project depend on those foreign companies to do it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttG4PisTjXs

It will be a game changer.Our banks have already embraced digital banking! I think our banks are the most innovative in Africa when it comes to that front! We are now talking of blockchain and AI technologies! We are ahead of many in Africa when it comes to embracing this disruptive innovations.As a matter of fact,we have a task-force formed by our president on task to establish how we as a country can fully harness and benefit from blockchain technology!

vaxx:
Telecoms might soon begin to apply for digital banking licences . The cash transfer thru this medium is getting bigger everyday. It has overtaken traditional cheques. The future has a lot of promise tontelecoms operating this service. Full Digital banking is coming soon. This wiill be a game changer.

The greenery is toxic!

Stevoh18:
Nairobi Kenya, Nigerians can't believe this

That's what our officials are saying! We are in a no hurry really!

rvp20182:
I think we need to buy time..past Nairobi..we are doing it for Chinese, Uganda and interior countries.60% of our cargo terminate at Nairobi.Chinese should fund it with Ugandans.Most cargo past Nairobi are headed to Kampala Uganda.

We are here already and the banks are still posting profits.We still need banks for big money transactions.Banks have become more innovative so as to check on the fintech rise.Mobile money is not really a competitor to traditional banking but rather a facilitator.Mobile banking and traditional banking are intertwined in Kenya!Banks are embracing mobile banking so to speak! Get to learn more about M-Shwari,Timiza and such innovations!

vaxx:
Kenya's , what is your veiw when telecommunication company finally take the role of digital banking as we can see now thru the use of mobile money,how will you think traditional bank will cope or tolerate it.

That's why Kenya is asking for a better deal from the Chinese regarding the remaining part of our railway,we are basically the link of the BRI in Africa.I understand that our officials are the ones playing hardball demanding a 50 % loan and 50 % grant on the remaining section of the SGR.We deserve a better deal!

mtisTheQubit:
The dragon got money to spend which even the west dont have..For japan they got their own issues (stagnant economy an aging population ).Bythe way Kenya is the gateway to Africa for ths Belt thing.Much of DRC minerals will pass through here heading to China..Well the Chinese goods will also pass through going inland..Africa need prayers

Laptop and car assembling? Kenya does that too!

theenchanter:
nigeria produce computer, do u?

Nigeria produce vehicles n sell on a large scale, do u?

And Kenya will be growing at 3 percent per annum with a shilling depreciation of around 20% coming next year.Ethiopia's story is the same as the Rwanda one,both showing great promise but overrated as f*ck!

cossano:
and i pointed that out, yes it is not something to celebrate,but look at the bigger picture, even in china when massive industrialization started there,cheap labor was one of the factors that drove industries to china, so many companies will rush to invest in Ethiopia due to factors such as cheap labor, then once labor becomes more educated the wages will rise and by the time this same industries will be looking for another country in the third world to relocate their companies Ethiopia would have gain so much in terms of knowledge transfer so much so that it will have its own local apparel industries to compete with the rest of the world. remember its not always about wages but transfer of knowledge.

In manufacturing,all those countries you've mentioned aren't on the same breath as Kenya.I however agree that more needs to be done in our manufacturing sector!

cossano:
no. Kenyas manufacturing is not a joke, its the high cost of production that is killing manufacturing in Kenya, towns such as nakuru in their glory days use to be manufacturing haven but due to high taxes, exorbitant power cost, higher wages compared to neighboring countries etc the industries died, i know you said you are from nakuru, can you share images of the collapsed industries here? i mean nakuru's industrial area is a ghost town, the government must fix these, last week KEPSA, urged the govt to atleast lower corporate tax to 20% to spur industrialization in the country. under the prevailing circumstances do you expect us to compete with Uganda and Tanzania? or even Ethiopia where a worker in their EPZ earn an equivalent of kes.6,000 while their Kenyan counterparts earns almost kes.15,000

What does Nigeria manufacture?

obaaderemi:
What percentage of your economy is your manufacturing? 14%.
You don't expect me to start listing what we manufacture.