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SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 6:46am On Apr 25, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
Eddie Howe is a small boy in coaching compared to Rodgers. Onyekuru will be better under Rodgers than Howe.
It's not by age. Zidane is a rookie coach but see how he lashed the legendary Ancelotti and has been bossing the league and CL. Or who is the small boy?

I don't rate Rodgers. Celtic is not such a good judge. The competition in Scotland is poo. I would have taken him seriously if he broke records with Celtic at the Champions League.

Bournemouth is a fantastic team and the experience he will have playing such an attacking style in England against top teams will catapult him, if he does well.
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 9:56am On Apr 24, 2017
BIRDS EVOLVED FROM DINOSAURS

Since 1870, paleontologists have suspected birds evolved from dinosaurs but, apart from archaeopteryx, the evidence has been hard to find. In 1995, a site was discovered in China that is a treasure chest of dinosaur-bird intermediate species.
So now there is no longer any reasonable doubt--birds evolved from dinosaurs.

Another god gap slammed shut.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/dinosaurs-living-descendants-69657706/?no-ist
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 7:08pm On Apr 23, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
First of all, Congrats to Arsenal for a hard fought win. Wish them the best at the final.

Sad for the disallowed goal scored by Sterling. Watching the replay was heart breaking knowing the ball did not go out of play. My call for Video Assisted Refereeing continues.

I commend Guardiola for his hard work because the team played well today. Amazing Stamina, great build-up plays and confidence from Bravo. Superb ball playing skills. I must confess, very few can do it like him.

Missed so much chances, especially hitting the bar twice but I hope the players do not sulk too much. They should keep working on their game and the goals will come. Sad we lost Silva early also.

As for Iheanacho, big props to him for getting a chance. Shows the coach still believes in him. As for the earlier switch, Arsenal were pressing us at that time and the midfield change was perfect. It swung the game back to City's control. I already knew it was four subs and expected a last Nacho change.

Nacho fluffed the first chance he had to control but his second touch where he controlled the ball and spread it to his left was breathtaking. (I know the Nacho haters will not see it, as expected). He looked sharp but his mistimed run was bad. Shows with more clear chances, he will cause havoc. (I know also, the haters of Nacho will not notice that it is difficult operating in a compact defence when a team with a lead is sitting deep).

Advice to Nacho:

He should stop waiting for your teammates to find hin. He should find the ball. Watch the build-up plays and move towards the ball, not away from it. Be part of the build-up plays.

Keep working hard.

Impressive point:

Was his improved mobility. He used the wings well.

Wish Nacho the best.

#TeamNacho
Very good consolation post. grin
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 6:46pm On Apr 23, 2017
tbaba1234:
No game time is making him deteriorate. He needs a full season of constant football.
I'm even saying that the poor touch was present when Manuel gave him playing time last season.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 6:14pm On Apr 23, 2017
Icon4s:
I have seen how much Iheanacho has improved on the 'Drilling' ground.

Zero impact. The only time he got into position
his first touch (his major negative) set him back.

I am waiting for the TheGoodJoe to come and give us those his usual analysis oh how Kelechi pressed and moved each and every muscle in the game.
I watched Kelechi from U13 to U17, and he used to have a good first touch. The poor touch was not even present during the 2014 City pre-season. It's a travesty that the wonderful city ground would make a player worse in such an aspect. It's very strange to me, sincerely.

Does anyone think I'm wrong, apart from the only city fan obviously?
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 10:38pm On Apr 22, 2017
tbaba1234:
Lionel Messi?
Frank Ribery? Alexis Sanchez? Xavi? Sneijder? Lahm? Arshavin? Silva? Mata? Pirlo?
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 6:30am On Apr 22, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
Sincerely, grasp simple concept. The bench did not destroy KVB and Lukaku. As soon as they left, they were performing. Which means the routines at Chelsea kept them in condition and they kept improving. It is how hard the player works whether they are getting playing time or not.

So simple.

Again, you're giving me a straw man argument. If a player does well for a new club after being frustrated at his previous club, you say it's the bench that improved him plus his hardwork.

If the player does not do well, he did not learn drills. LOL What's the proof that those who were stagnated by the bench were lazy?
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 6:10am On Apr 22, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
So you think it is a fluke that the likes of Lukaku and co. left Chelsea and started doing well immediately.

You can have talent but in the wrong environment, the talents diminish. The competition in Chelsea is high and it takes a lot of hard work to stand a chance to make it in the team.

As I said, even without regular time, KVB could walk into the starting line-up of Wolfsburg. It means a player can not have regular playing time and still be on top condition. The point is plain. I wonder if you understand what happens on the training pitch.
You're impossible. If we ask you why KVB shone at Wolfsburg when Mourinho did not believe in him, you will say he was learning drills. I can see you saying same for Lukaku. KVB and Lukaku have not told anyone they were learning drills. They have said Manu times that they were frustrated at Chelsea and had to go to places that would recognize their talents because Mourinho treated them badly. But left to you it's the drills that worked the magic.

But if we ask you why Borja, a Barca prodigy flopped after getting trained from one of the best academies and learning from some of the best players in the world, you will say he did not wait to learn drills very well. Same for Afellay. Same for Shaqiri. These players stayed long in clubs that did not give them opportunities to play competitive matches and by the time they left, they could no longer hold the football stage like had been envisaged.

Do you sincerely speak from both ends of the mouth or are you in just to suck the life out of mere mortals like us?
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 11:52am On Apr 21, 2017
jamel9:
No mind am joor. Anybody wey won follow Thegoodjoe argue must get full battery and a powerbank, because that person is in for a long ride. So abeg, Thegoodjoe na mistake i take quote you ooo. Forgive me and save me from this ride, lol.
grin No be small thing.
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op):
I have left the disgraceful politics section of Nairaland and have shaken the dust off your feet of its tribalism. But make no mistake, I absolutely am interested in politics and economics of Nigeria. One of those I love to read is Professor Pius Adesanmi. Not saying I love everything about him, I don't. For one, were we both in America, we would have pitched our tents in different camps. He, a social liberal, while I am in the conservative libertarian side. But you know the way Nigeria is, there are only two sides. The oppressor and the oppressed. Both of us are in the camp of pointing out how the antics of the oppressor and showing the oppressed how things do not have to remain like it is.

So it is in this light that I share this article. Make of it what you wish. I can also draw the religious parallels and it will fit like a glove. So choose how you receive it. Here:

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Plato’s Allegory of the Cave
By Pius Adesanmi.

I was fourteen years-old and in Form Four when I first encountered the Greek philosopher, Plato. No, I did not encounter him in the classrooms of Titcombe College, Egbe. I encountered him through Baba Adesanmi’s disciplinary regime: a hybrid of Roman Catholic, African-traditional, and Spartan colonial disciplinary methods.

Depending on the gravity of your offence, if he spared the rod in favour of a long-winding sermon (pure torture for us at the time), then you were in for two hours of philosophies, wisdom nuggets, and anecdotes drawn from a vast arsenal of Yagba, Yoruba, Christian, and Greco-Roman resources.

Your rebuke was delivered in an admixture of Yagba, Yoruba, and Queen’s English interlaced with a lot of Latinisms. As appropriate, Baba would pull out books from his vast library to support a point.
Baba Adesanmi was a bibliophile who built a vast family library spanning many fields of knowledge, notably literature, history and philosophy. He had supreme contempt for the unread mind.

Bola, you were not born to disgrace me.

(Silence for effect)

Bola, se o gbo mi ye? You were not born not to be able to stand out from the pack if your conscience and broader knowledge convince you of the rectitude of your position.

(More silence for effect)

Bola, have I ever told you about Plato? Then he broke Plato down for me like an alo - a Yoruba folk tale. Baba Adesanmi taught me about the Greeks and the Romans by breaking down material from their history, philosophy, and literature into abridged forms and then narrating them to me like my usual Ijapa folk tales.

What did I do to deserve the punishment of Itan Plato (Plato’s story) for nearly two hours as a teenager who would rather have spent that time playing football set with his peers in Form Four?

There was some disagreement between me and some of my peers (the boys) over some issue in R.L. Stevenson’s Treasure Island. Mr. Medaiyedu, our literature teacher’s test, was coming up. In the ways of stupid teenage boys, we agreed that if question X ever came up, we would answer it in a particular way. I had read and studied Treasure Island under Papa Adesanmi’s supervision at home long before it came up in Mr. Medaiyedu’s syllabus so I knew that the group answer was wrong.

Question X did come up. I answered it in solidarity with the group. I did not have the courage to shine the light, to dare to be different and right, because I had been to other spaces of that book and seen things they hadn’t seen courtesy of my father.

Obviously, Baba Adesanmi was scandalized that I nearly failed a literature test. Stupidly, I confessed to him that I knew the right answer but was afraid to go against the group, to open the eyes of the group to a superior reality, to take them beyond the limitations of their circumstances.

Instead of getting a few strokes of Baba Adesanmi’s dreaded pankere, I got a long talk about Plato and his allegory of the cave. And I was made to read an abridged version of it.

A lifetime of extensive readings and studies in literature, philosophy, classics, and other fields would, of course, later take me deeper, much deeper, into Plato and other philosophers.

As I gained awareness of the fact that Plato’s allegory of the cave is one of the most significant metaphors of all times in the history of Western philosophy and thought, as I discovered, during my undergraduate and graduate years, that many of the canonical figures of African liberation and thought such as Frantz Fanon, Ngugi wa Thiong’o, Ousmane Sembene, Amilcar Cabral, Eduardo Mondlane, Patrice Lumumba, and Thomas Sankara saw their own theory and praxis in the light of Plato’s allegory, I would wonder what in the heck was going on in Baba Adesanmi’s mind that he would expose a 14-year-old boy to such philosophical depths.

So, what exactly is this allegory of the cave? It is the most famous segment of Plato’s most famous book, The Republic. I will only offer an elementary sketch of it here for our purposes. I will omit details that are not central to our didactic purposes for Fatherland.

Plato imagines a group of prisoners chained to a wall inside a deep, dark cave. They have been chained to this wall their entire lives. Chains and darkness – that is the sum total of their experience. The only reality they know. They have been in the cave and in chains since birth.

Behind them is a fire and before them is a raised walkway. Outside, people pass by the mouth of the cave, carrying things on their head. The prisoners can only see shadows of that reality. The shadows they see also become part of their reality of darkness and chains.

Eventually, one of the prisoners escapes and goes outside of the cave. He is absolutely shocked to discover the world outside of the cave. He cannot believe his eyes. So, he has been living in ignorance his whole life? So, all the things that he and his fellow cave dwellers believed and thought about the world was wrong? So there is even a sun? And there are trees and animals? And there is civilization? And there are ways, much better ways of doing things ‘outside there’ than the only reality that he and his fellow cave dwellers have ever known?

His discovery of the sun is the most significant. Think of everything that Plato dumps into that metaphor of the sun. This man is coming from a cave where nobody has ever been aware of the existence of the sun - of light!

This painful discovery of the world beyond the limitations of his entire life leads to a resolve: he will go back “home” to the cave and take the truth he has seen and discovered to his people.

When he gets back to the cave and informs the other prisoners of his discoveries, letting them know that there are other possibilities to life, other realities outside of chains and darkness, when he tells them stories of reality and tells them that all they have believed their entire lives is false because it has been limited by their chains and life inside the cave, they do not believe him.

They abuse him. They call him names. They threaten to kill him if he attempts to set them free. They accuse him of insulting their world. They tell him they like it just like that. Did they complain to him? What is all this talk about a better life and a much better way of life he has seen elsewhere. It is not his fault. Shebi they are the ones even listening to him after he has betrayed them by going out.

Plato surmises that the cave dwellers will try to kill anyone who tries to free them from their ignorance.

What Plato’s allegory teaches us is that there is no alternative to education and enlightenment. He who acquires education and enlightenment is also a danger to the body politic of ignorance.

If ignorance is the only world somebody knows, you have no right to try to bring light into that world and expect not to be insulted, abused, scorned, and excoriated. There is a reason that the said ignorance is framed as a world in Plato’s allegory. It means you are saying that the only world that Plato’s cave dwellers have ever known is false, wrong, etc. You are “insulting” their world.

That is why you must have the patience to bear the insults and be possessed of the force of conviction to persuade them with the empirical and superior evidence of the superior worlds and truths you have seen.

Plato says that the cave dwellers will attempt to kill anyone who tries to free them.

Plato says education is the only superior force that can free them.

If you are privileged to be a medium of public education and enlightenment, fate and destiny have chosen you for a solemn duty to your fatherland. You have lost the right to such statements as:

I’ve given up.
They rain insults on me any time I write to enlighten them.
They are in love with their chains.

It is Stockholm syndrome.

This is precisely the sort of fatalism that those who turned your Fatherland to a cave and stole money to buy the chains to imprison the people want to achieve in you. If they cannot buy your voice and your conscience, they know that they cannot allow the risk of your enlightenment to radiate through the land and connect with the people. The next best option for them is to get you to point of existential fatalism where you give up. Once you give up because of the daily insults you get from their victims, you clear a conceptual space for them to store up dollars in every apartment in Ikoyi and Victoria Island.

Over the years, Plato’s allegory of the cave has also lost geographic relevance for me in terms of the physical distinction between in and out, home and diaspora. It has come to represent for me the chains and prison of the mind and the escape from it.

Gani Fawehinmi is also Plato’s escapee but he never left the cave physically. He just left the cave of the mind. Tai Solarin, Bala Usman, Eskor Toyo, Chima Ubani, etc, never left the cave physically but they left the cave of the mind and tried to bring the sun back into it. Oby Ezekwesili, Ayo Obe, Ayisha Osori, Joe-Okei Odumakin have never left physically but they left the cave of the mind.

I am saying in essence that being physically outside is not a precondition for gaining the elevated consciousness and enlightenment acquired by Plato’s allegorical character just as being physically inside is not a basis of exclusion from that consciousness.

Whether you are inside or outside, the acquisition of that consciousness in the context of the Nigerian tragedy is a privilege that should be deployed in the service of the people without question.

It is important to remember that those insulting you are not the enemy.

Our only enemies are the owners of the cave and the financiers of the chains.

We must remain committed to their total destruction.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 7:23am On Apr 20, 2017
maidaboi:
House does kelechi Iheanacho has dribbling skills?
cc icon4s,thesupernerd,thegoodgoe,forgiveness,tbaba1234,joebie,jotey,komekn,terzurum5,safarigirl,bascovenveli,joseph1013
He used to have a fairly good dribbling ability during his U17 days, and he showed glimpses of that during the Pellegrini era, though regressed. From what I have seen this season, the little dribbling ability he has has been drilled out of him. He now lacks that confidence of taking out outfield players. Another indictment of the Pep era on the young man.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013:
komekn:
Bros the way football is going if you have not showed promise at 19 there is a problem.

I watched Aluko's Fulham give Villa a football lesson and to add insult to Injury, Ryan thier 16 year old left back scored, that's 5 goals in 23 games exceptional for a left back, who is still only 16.

Tammy is 19 and he is making a claim for much bigger things, 25 goals in the championship is not a joke. the two Dembele's making waves in Europe are under 20, Mbappe is 18. But I'm being harsh he is not on thier level. However, Awoniyi came with great expectations that he has so far failed to live up too.
There are late starters in football. Not everyone who shines as a teenager makes it. Freddy Adu, Cherno Samba, Dominic Adiyiah, Nii Lamptey, etc show us things do not always go according to path. That's why I often hesitate to say that so and so player will be the highest goal scorer in Super Eagles or this person will become Nigeria's captain. Life happens. I can wager that some of those you listed WILL flatter to deceive at the end of the day.

And there are those who shone in their late twenties. Marco Materazzi, Ole Gunnar Solsjaer, Rickie Lambert, Ian Wright and even Luca Toni are good examples to show that there are indeed late bloomers.

I am afraid for Awoniyi, but your assumptions of him based on your examples are pedestrian.
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 9:49am On Apr 19, 2017
DOES THE APPEARANCE OF DESIGN PROVE A DESIGNER?

The teleological argument for God, otherwise known as the argument from design, goes back at least as far as Socrates. It is the idea that we see evidence of design (or the appearance of design) in nature, and design presupposes a designer. Indeed, given the extraordinary complexity of nature, such design presupposes an extremely intelligent designer.

The strength of this argument is that it is logically sound--it does not rely upon a logical fallacy as many other arguments for God do. But that does not mean it is valid...

One problem is that "evidence of design" or the "appearance of design" are hard to define. In fact, I have never seen anyone attempt to define these terms. Instead, proponents of this argument rely on analogy. They may say (following William Paley), if you see a watch lying on the ground you have no problem determining that the watch was designed but the rock next to it was not.

Of course, we KNOW how watches are produced. We know they are designed by humans. But can we extend this analogy to other complex things when we do not know how they were produced?

If complexity is the criteria for "evidence of design", we could look at snowflakes. Snowflakes are all different but are all six-sided, have complex designs and have astonishing multiple symmetries. Could billions of snowflakes be produced by CHANCE and all meet this exacting specification? Well, yes. We understand in great detail how snowflakes form and it is an entirely natural process.

Some proponents of the teleological argument might complain snowflakes are a poor example because they have no function--they may say there is evidence for design when a thing is both complex and performs a function. OK, we could look at a river. Rivers perform the function of transporting water to the sea and are part of the complex hydrologic cycle. Despite bends and twists and passing through different types of geology, sometimes for thousands of miles, rivers are always designed with a decline to permit water to flow, and with river banks to constrain water to a particular path. They are an engineering marvel. Of course, we know how rivers form and it is an entirely natural process.

So, complexity and function do not necessarily imply intelligent design. What about living things then? Living things are far more complex than any snowflake or river, perhaps they are evidence of design? Indeed, living things are orders of magnitude more complex than a pocket watch and they have many parts with specific functions, such as pumping blood or providing vision. Can we assume a living thing is designed in the same way we can assume a pocket watch is designed? No, we can't.

Living things are produced in a unique way that makes them unlike anything else. Living things come about through reproduction. Reproduction has nothing in common with manufacturing. Watches are made of manufactured parts and assembled into the final article. Living things begin as a single cell and develop through cell division and differentiation. Watches made to a single design are identical but reproduction ensures offspring are different from their parent(s). Every living thing comes directly from a very long chain of prior living things but pocket watches do not.

So the analogy between a pocket watch and a living thing breaks down--these are two different categories of things and we cannot simply assume the two categories have similar origins. It would be like looking at the category of things called celestial bodies and determining that they come about by a process of accretion caused by gravity and then assuming that the category of things called soft drinks also comes about by accretion caused by gravity. Yes, this is absurd but so is assuming the categories of manufactured things and living things come about in the same way.

The way to discover the origins of living things is not by making a false analogy but by tracing back the very long chain of prior living things to see where it takes you. So far as we have been able to do this, we find no evidence for design--but we do find evidence of gradual change and increasing complexity over eons.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 6:10pm On Apr 18, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
I hold and share your fears. Believe me, I am as well conscious of the dicey situation Iheanacho is in. However, we can not close our eyes to the fact that without playing time, we have seen improvement in players screened off the team by Guardiola.

Aguero's recent spike in his team play happened when Guardiola left him out of the team for Gabriel Jesus.

We saw remarkable improvement in Yaya Toure after Guardiola brought him back to the squad

Samir Nasri looked a revelation after Guardiola brought him in as a sub in the second leg play off against Steau Bucharest. So remarkable he got to go to Sevilla, got the ten shirt and became a key player.

Caballero who was awful with his feet before the arrival of Claudio Bravo is now rock solid with his feet and makes picture perfect passes when under pressure.

Fabian Delph is the latest of them.

My point remains that I am interested in the result of working with Guardiola than just game time. Despite Nacho having little to no game time, I have zero doubt that he is developing at a fast rate. When he gets a run, we will tell the difference.
Bros, gently na. I dey observation zone before but my body no fit hold this your latest yarn. So Pep is responsible for Nasri's performance at Sevilla? Haba. Why you dey do like this na?

You mention Caballero, but are always silent on how drilling spoilt Bravo's life. Drilling, drilling, drilling...yet he has become one of the season's biggest flops.

Goldfish80 don talk am tire say Delph na proper baller before City, he even shared videos, yet you continue to run with Pep created Delph talk. Why na?

Aguero recent spike is Pep? Chai...Aguero has always been the go-to person before Pep arrived. We can even argue that this is one of his worst seasons. Why na?

Yaya Toure has been a Man City legend since Pep threw him out of Barcelona. This is his worst season in England yet. But you still say he has remarkably improved. Why na?
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op):
THE RESURRECTION - A FARCE

On this glorious Easter sunday, I watched as people well-dressed go to church. In the tranquility of the environment, I used the opportunity to watch the last episodes of the first season of the TV Series, Billions, before continuing with Philip Tetlock's book, Superforecasting. While catching a break, I switched on the cable TV and stumbled on a pastor explaining some of the historical factors that in his view lead to the conclusion that Jesus arose supernaturally. He proceeded to lament the "sinfulness of the human heart that denies the evidence for the Resurrection."

This kind of rhetoric is common in evangelical and fundamentalist circles, but I am not sure the pastor understood how inflammatory it is. By using the word sinfulness, he is not merely claiming that we unbelievers are honestly mistaken, but that we are willfully mistaken and are therefore subject to divine judgment for our decision.

I am sympathetic to believers who complain about Dawkins' insensitivity and ridicule, but a posture that attributes willful, eternally punishable sinfulness to the majority of the world's population is in my estimation far more provocative. All the much more so in light of the likelihood that few who make such statements have studied in any depth the arguments against their position.

Let me address three common arguments made in the favor of the resurrection of Jesus.

First, it is often claimed that the disciples' willingness to die for their faith in Jesus' Resurrection proves that they actually saw the risen Jesus. People are never willing to die for what they know to be untrue. But the assertion that Jesus' disciples died for their faith has no historical foundation; it is mere hearsay.

We have no historical grounding for the martyrdom of even one of Jesus' disciples. All details regarding their manner of dying emerge years later in accounts that are far removed from the actual events. Even if it could be proven historically that some of the earliest disciples were martyred, we would still be unable to look into their minds and know they died specifically for their belief in Jesus' Resurrection.

Joseph Smith was murdered by a mob in 1844 in Nauvoo, Illinois. Latter Day Saints believe he was martyred for his unwavering conviction that God revealed himself through golden tablets that Smith had discovered in 1830. Many non-Mormons believe he was killed because he was a criminal. If the facts are so readily disputed for a relatively recent and well-documented event like Joseph Smith's death, how can we say with any confidence how or why Jesus' disciples perished, let alone what was in their minds when they died?

Second, it is claimed that Jesus' disciples could not have experienced a mass hallucination to convince them of Jesus' Resurrection. You will hear apologists say that hallucinations are individual occurrences and that by their very nature only one person can see a given hallucination at a time, that they certainly are not something which can be seen by a group of people. They say since an hallucination exists only in this subjective, personal sense, it is obvious that others cannot witness it.

This may not be obvious to Christian apologists, but in fact such occurrences of mass hallucinations are historically well documented. Mass sightings of the Virgin Mary are common, and apologists, especially protestants are unlikely to attribute all of them to actual manifestations of Mary. For example, on June 24, 1981, six children reported an appearance of the Virgin at a hilltop near the town of Medjugorje in Bosnia-Hercegovina. She has continued appearing regularly to these individuals since that time, and millions of others have made their pilgrimages to the site to experience visions, healings, and other supernatural events. Could it be that the power of suggestion is at play?

Note that I am not here arguing that Jesus' followers necessarily experienced a mass hallucination, but I am merely establishing its possibility, contrary to the assertions of Resurrection apologists.

Third, it is claimed that if the anti-Christian Jewish authorities had wished to disprove Jesus' Resurrection, they could have simply exhumed Jesus' body and paraded him through the streets of Jerusalem for all to see. However, the New Testament mentions no public proclamation of Jesus' Resurrection until seven "short weeks" after Jesus' alleged Resurrection (See Acts 2:1, 24. Pentecost, the Feast of Weeks, fell on the fiftieth day after Passover (Deuteronomy 16:1-12)).

If there was concern about the deterioration of Lazarus' body just four days after his death, then Jesus' body must have been unrecognizable after seven weeks. Parading such a decomposed body through the streets of Jerusalem would have proven nothing.

Material Recommendations:
1. Robert Price's collection of essays entitled Jesus is Dead.
2. Online video debate "Licona vs. Carrier: On the Resurrection of Jesus Christ"
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 7:07pm On Apr 14, 2017
Elparaiso:
LOL, I love asking Christians this question. Why couldn't God just forgive us without shedding blood? They always answer with, "He is a principled God who needs order".
grin
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 4:31pm On Apr 14, 2017
TODAY IS 'GOOD' FRIDAY:
Because a LOVING God needs the blood of his son(no, his own blood) before he could forgive his children.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 11:40pm On Apr 12, 2017
Squawka Football‏
@Squawka

Wilfred Ndidi's game by numbers vs. Atletico:

100% take-ons
6 clearances
4 aerial duels won
3 tackles won
3 interceptions
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 5:00pm On Apr 12, 2017
WHEN YOUR GOD IS REAL

If your god exists and your religion is true, does this give you an obligation to help others who do not share your beliefs?

If you saw a child floundering in a shallow pond, you would surely feel obliged to make an effort to save its life but how much greater is your moral obligation if you see a multitude of people headed to an eternity of unimaginable agony? Could anything possibly be more important than saving them?

So why don't all religious people dedicate their lives to saving those who worship fake gods or no gods at all? Why do most religious people shrug their shoulders and say people are entitled to their own beliefs? Are we really so selfish and wicked?

This is hard to understand. Perhaps it is because you feel it is too hard to convince others that their beliefs are wrong and yours are right. But if your beliefs are true and you know they are true, it should be possible to pass that knowledge to others. After all, if you cannot do that, how can you be sure your beliefs ARE true?

I don't know why religious people are so selfish. Perhaps they will tell us. But I do have my suspicions. I suspect they don't do this because they are not really sure their own beliefs are true--they just find them agreeable and hope they are true. They have faith.

And how can you expect to convince others, if all you have is faith?
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 1:40pm On Apr 11, 2017
safarigirl:
How come you guys are not reacting to the Tammy Abraham and England dreams news? Abi una no see am ni?

Cc forgiveness, icon4s, tbaba123, joseph1013, bascovanveli, thesupernerd
It's not much of a news. The boy just wants to go to the U20 world cup and that we cannot cap him before then. Let's wait till after the world cup.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 8:46pm On Apr 10, 2017
Rohr: Friendly with Germany in the Works

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The Franco-German coach of the Super Eagles Gernot Rohr says a host of friendly games have been lined up for the team later in the year, to help them in competitive games.

Nigeria will be heavily involved in AFCON 2019 and World Cup 2018 qualifiers later in the year, starting from the AFCON qualifiers against South Africa on the 10th of June.

Already test games to put the team in shape for more daunting and challenging games have been arranged, with coach Rohr eager to test a host of players before using them in competitive games.

Rohr confirmed talks are underway to play two friendly games in France, where the team are expected to hold a training camp later in the year, revealed talks are underway for a high profile friendly game with the German national team.

”We have made contact with top executives in the German FA about a friendly, so we could play them”, Rohr said in an interview on Brila FM.

http://owngoalnigeria.com/2017/04/10/friendly-game-nigeria-in-talks-with-world-champions-germany-rohr-confirms/
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 6:13am On Apr 10, 2017
THREE LIVES

TRUE STORY #3

Mrs C: 50 years of age, devout Christian, widower, from Lagos, Nigeria

Mrs C was such a stellar school student that her extended family made a great fund-raising effort to pay for her to attend university in the United Kingdom. She secured a place to read English at the prestigious University College London.

She graduated with First Class Honours in the summer of 1994 and returned to Nigeria as a family celebrity--she was the first person in her family to attend any university, let alone a famous overseas one.

Mrs C didn't just return to Nigeria with a degree, she had met a Zambian man in London and she returned home pregnant. Her family hastily arranged a wedding and by 1995 she was married and blessed with a baby daughter.

Mrs C did not want to work for anyone--she wanted to run her own business and someone she met in London was going to make that possible for her. At a Christian Circle she attended, she met an American businessman who was in the UK for a short course and they got on well. She told him of her idea to set up an orphanage back home. He agreed to provide part of the funding to get it off the ground and promised to introduce others who would contribute to running costs.

By the end of 1995, Mrs C had purchased a large, run-down property in a rural area near Lagos and work was in progress to turn it into a home for up to 40 children. Within six months, the building was ready, the orphanage was officially registered and admitted its first half dozen children.

The next two years went extremely well for Mrs C. The orphanage become well-known and respected. It filled to capacity and the American donors were generous, allowing Mrs C to pay her bills and have a good surplus that she took as her own income. With her husband employed as a handyman and driver, the couple lived well and even managed to buy an almost-new Toyota Land Cruiser all-wheel-drive vehicle.

Mrs C was very religious. She spoke to Jesus every single day at midnight--it was her ritual. He gave her advice and reassured her whenever problems arose. She knew all her success was not her own doing but was due to Jesus pulling strings and making things go right for her. She felt hugely blessed and very happy with her life.

Then something terrible happened. In late 1998, her husband was driving the Land Cruiser alone in the early evening when he was forced to stop by carjackers. A witness said she saw two cars box him in and bring him to a stop. As men approached his car he jumped out and ran. In his panic, he ran into the path of a lorry carrying a load of steel bars. The driver could do nothing to avoid him. Mrs C's beloved husband died on the spot.

When her husband died, Mrs C was pregnant with her second daughter. But this pregnancy was nothing like her first. She had terrible morning sickness and felt constantly tired and unwell. She couldn't understand it--she was the same and her baby had the same father, so why was the pregnancy so different and so horrible?

She suspected three of the children in her care. Two girls and a boy had been nothing but trouble since they arrived. They didn't do as they were told like the other children and showed no fear. They always stuck together as a group and often refused to join in activities with the others. When she spoke to these three, they would sometimes refuse to answer her or would even walk away as she was talking to them. She hated they way they looked at her--they should be grateful for everything she was doing to help them but obviously, they were not.

Mrs C thought these three children might have something to do with her difficult pregnancy but she wasn't sure, so she took no action. However, her husband's death settled matters for her. She concluded the only explanation for so much misfortune was witchcraft. She decided to take her suspicions to Jesus. At midnight, one day after her husband's death she discussed everything with Jesus.

Jesus consoled her and she felt better and stronger. Jesus told her the children had powers because of demon possession but they could be restored by exorcism.

I won't describe any of the detail of what happened to the children. I only need say Mrs C requested help from a pastor and two assistants and they locked the children in a room and exorcised them over a period of five days. All the children suffered injuries and one, the youngest child, a five-year-old boy, was admitted to hospital.

The police became involved in the case but no charges were brought, I have no idea why not.

However, word of this incident did get back to Mrs C's sponsors in the USA. The Americans were horrified and Mrs C was asked to step down from her position at the orphanage.

That was the turning point in Mrs C's life. She was angry and upset to be treated like that by fellow Christians but, more importantly, she was homeless, alone and broke.

In the 18 years, to bring this story up-to-date, Mrs C has never managed to find a job. She and her daughters have stayed with friends and family but she is essentially itinerant and homeless. She has borrowed money and started a succession of businesses but they have all been badly planned, badly managed and under-funded. They have all failed and left her in debt.

Her life is not as it promised to be back in those heady days of 1994.

NOTE:

I don't know Mrs C personally. This story was related to me by her eldest daughter.

TWO THINGS YOU KNOW AND ONE YOU DON'T

Here are two things you know:
1. Humans have invented and worshipped thousands of gods over a few millennia.
2. Humans find invented gods completely convincing and satisfying.

Here is one thing you don't know:
3. Is the god the ancient Hebrews wrote about in the Torah (now worshiped by Jews, Christians and Muslims) one of those invented gods or a real one?

Stories from across Africa by Mr Flavell
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 7:12pm On Apr 09, 2017
Danycrusoe:
Me with Peter Rufai after the NNL game between Ikorodu v Go round today at the MKO stadium abeokuta
Thumbs up!
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 2:23pm On Apr 09, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
cheesy

I Made it simple my man. Not complex. Mikel = Sleek player.

Another way to look at it is smooth. If you look at Maradona and Messi play, you can not call their play smooth. Definitely, you can tag that to Mikel and Busquets.
You like going around in circles.

You say player A is sleek and player B is not. I ask how you know a player is sleek and another is not, you say you don't care about generally accepted definition of football terms and that your knowledge is through years of watching football and that you have no outright definition source you can give me deriding Google in the process. When boxed to a corner about register in football, you say other commentators refer to sleek players and that shows you're correct. I say fine, and told you that those commentators regularly say player B is a sleek player. You say they are wrong and that if I watch player B, I cannot say he is a sleek player.

Bros, have you eaten this afternoon? grin
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 12:57pm On Apr 09, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
Haba. Blood Of Malachi.

So if you are watching match, are you saying the commentator has no right to say, "That is a sleek move"?

Just say you do not know and move on. I have done my best to make it easy for you. Next time you are watching, you can tell a sleek move without waiting to Google it.
LOL. And how many times have we heard commentators say Messi made a sleek move or is a sleeky player?

Just say you don't watch enough matches and are not in tune with why and how terms are used in football, and move on. It's not as complex as you are making it seem.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 12:07pm On Apr 09, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
So after watching football for years, you still need to copy everything without having an idea to explain it yourself. Na wa.

Give me an example of a sleek move.
Wrong move! No matter how many years of watching football, you cannot define a goal outside its accepted definition. Even Infantino cannot unilaterally tell us he has his own meaning of dribbling outside of what the football community knows. Millions of 'Na wa' will not change anything.

Until you can tell me your reference for what a sleek move is or who a sleek player is, you can't ask me to tell you one. We have to be on the same level to start a discussion about it.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 11:59am On Apr 09, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
Why do you think I tackle goldfish80 on just relying on articles and stats? I do my best to watch and understand what is going on. I did not cook it but tried to make it clear. If you go through it, you can see the difference.
Oh, so you just cooked it up. If a word sounds interesting to you, you just start using it without caring what it means? Bros, terms in football, like any other profession have definitions. You cannot say you cook up what a dribble is. Or passing. Or goal. All of them have definitions. Same thing applies to the term sleek in football. You cannot use it outside its accepted definition. Else, the whole sport just becomes a disorganized affair.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 11:51am On Apr 09, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
I just told you what a sleek move is. If you disagree, tell me what you think a sleek move is.
Dont tell me you just cooked up the definition. What is your source of this prettywoman sleekness of footballers?
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 11:34am On Apr 09, 2017
TheGoodJoe:

A sleek move is like When Milner charged to Messi in one of the Barcelona vs Manchester City game and Messi, stopped waited as Milner charged to him, he said the ball in between Milner's legs. That is a sleek move but that is not regularly how Messi or Maradona play. The play more with pace. Messi plays the ball in a more mobile style.


When you take Mikel for instance, he has come under lots of criticism for playing in a sluggish way. In Nigerian slang, playing with too much yanga. That Messi move was a yanga move but not Messi’s style. Just like Maradona, they play in a more pacy style and take on their players with pace.

Just as Mikel can make runs with the ball, he is not a pacy player. He is sleek. Just as Messi can make a sleek move, he is not a sleek player.

List of sleek players

Mikel, Busquets, Alonso, Scholes, Pirlo, Ibrahimovic, Berbatov and Nzonzi. We can not put Maradona and Messi in that bracket.
You don't know what sleek or flair really means. Let me ask you: Where did you get your definition of sleek?
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 10:25am On Apr 09, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
If we are debating on something and you watched it, it is okay googling articles to support the claim. However, I find it disturbing when you are googling to argue something you do not understand.
But he understands what sleekness is na, may be more than you. You say Messi and Maradona are not sleek, but see this review by EA sports:

"Game developer EA Sports has announced a new feature to its upcoming football simulation video game “FIFA 16” that had gamers really excited. Apparently, the game will already give players the ability to make the signature sleek move of Argentinian football superstar Lionel Messi."

Flair and sleek are synonymous.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 9:44am On Apr 09, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
Who told you flair and imagination is sleekness? You can run from pillar to post. I have simplified it for you. Delph is moving from a Rakitic style of play to a Busquets style of play. This change has improved him. It is like Onazi trying to play like Mikel.

The concept is too simple. Either you learn or keep googling articles. That article proved nothing. You can see the hammer on energetic runs. That is what Guardiola is cancelling.

If you like, keep arguing.

Hmmm...if you are googling articles to support your drills, what's wrong with him using Google to get articles to support his views.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 5:54pm On Apr 07, 2017
TheSuperNerd:
Well.... like I have always said.... we cannot get everyone... and not all can even play for us. The NFF and Coach Rohr did their best. So let it be known it was he who said No to us. We wish Lookman the best. He has a bright future in the game. He has made his choice......
Note: I also saw this story carried by ESPN..... well... that is it shaa....

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Everton Ademola Lookman Tells Gernot Rohr – I Want To Play For England Not Nigeria

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Nigeria have been dealt a serious blow in their quest to lure Everton rising star Ademola Lookman to switch allegiance to the senior national team of Nigeria.

Coach of the Super Eagles of Nigeria Gernot Rohr has succeeded in luring players of Nigerian descent born abroad to pledge their future to the Nigerian team but Lookman has turned down his approach.


While Ola Aina and Chuba Akpom have given their words to Rohr about representing Nigeria, Lookman who is also a youth international for England has confirmed his commitment to the Three Lions of England.


Lookman told Dan Ashworth, the FA’s director of elite development, that he wants to play for England despite interest from Nigeria.

He hopes to represent England at the U-21 European Championship, and also has high hopes that he will gate crash coach Gareth Southgate senior side before the World Cup 2018 in Russia.

* Daniel Martins

Source: http://owngoalnigeria.com/2017/04/07/everton-ademola-lookman-tells-gernot-rohr-i-want-to-play-for-england-not-nigeria/
I don't trust this report. There is no quote from him. It is someone told somebody that he told somebody. Let's contact him ourselves and ask him. These journalists often have their own interests.

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