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Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 5:49pm On Apr 07, 2017
THREE LIVES

TRUE STORY #2

Miss B: 26 years of age, devout Christian, single, lives in Lusaka, Zambia

Miss B did very well at school and speaks and writes English beautifully. She longed for a career in media or public relations and enrolled on a four year communications studies degree. She graduated in 2014 with the equivalent of an upper second class degree.

Many graduates in Zambia spend years searching for a suitable job but Miss B was lucky. Within six months she secured a job as the communications officer for an international charity. This was well-paid for a recent graduate, and exactly the kind of job she needed to get her career started. She enjoyed the work and impressed her new employer. The job was for an initial six month contract but was renewable subject to satisfactory performance.

Halfway through her initial contract she had a conversation with a junior pastor at her church. He told her he had seen a vision. In the vision, Miss B had married a senior pastor at the church. Miss B soon became convinced that this was a prophetic vision and marrying a man of God was something she had dreamed about since childhood.

The two of them discussed this vision on several occasions. The junior pastor told her that this vision could not come to pass unless she studied the Bible and secured a recognised qualification--a pastor's wife must have this basic knowledge.

Miss B thought about this for several weeks and researched suitable Bible courses. By this time her contact with the charity was about to expire and she was offered a permanent role. She decided that a call from God could not be ignored, so she turned the offer down and, instead, enrolled on a two-year Bible study course.

That is when her problems really began. She had to pay for the course and for her food and rentals but had no income. She had faith something would happen to allow the prophecy to be realised but, by the end of her first year of Bible study, she is broke. Her savings have been spent and she is in debt. She is not sure how she can continue her course. Her job with the charity is no longer on offer and finding a new job could take months or years.

She is currently living from hand-to-mouth getting further in debt and is surviving on a very small income from a few hours work a week as an administration assistant. Maybe, the prophecy will come true and she will marry a pastor at her church but all the senior pastors are already married.

So maybe she won't.

Whatever happens on the marriage front, I hope this diversion has not wrecked her promising career.

Stories from across Africa by Mr Flavell
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 8:33am On Apr 07, 2017
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013:
TheGoodJoe:
If you can not see improvement in Sterling, then how can you see other things. See a tweet by the former Super Eagles coach Sunday Oliseh.


Sunday Oliseh ✔@SundayOOliseh
Is this the same Raheem Sterling or a Clone? lol. What a complete metamorphosis.Superb technique,Vision & joy to watch.Infectious. Bravo!


Guardiola already said it will take time for his system to bear fruits. If anyone studies closely, the improvement is tremendous.

Navas played well against Chelsea and Arsenal. Meanwhile, he was not a regular, does that mean he was rendered useless? Delph has not played for a long time but was brilliant against Chelsea, does that mean he was useless.

Maybe some people expect money to buy immediate success, what I expected was not immediate success. As the team keeps understanding the game, we will keep improving.
LMAO...you are giving us a quote made since 28 Sep 2016 before clubs adapted to Pep's one-way method. Remember that it was at that period that he went unbeaten and players like Kolarov and Stones were called the best defenders in the EPL. Look inwards and ask yourself, "Is this Sterling better than the one we saw at Liverpool?

Your remarks defending Pep is often too bemusing for my comments. I chuckled when you said Alli will not send all your overpriced players to the bench. It's unbelievable what you say sometimes. Na drilling we go chop? Drilling that will drive a first team player to the bench and then to not making matchday squads. How does that signify progress?
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 5:06am On Apr 06, 2017
TheSuperNerd:
Revealed – Players Rohr Plans To Invite For Future Games Ahead Of MFM Stephen Odey


https://owngoalnigeria.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/image-68.jpg


Despite calls from most Nigerians on coach of the Super Eagles Gernot Rohr to include the top scorer in the Nigeria Professional League Stephen Odey in his plans, Owngoalnigeria.com can exclusively reveal some other plays are well ahead of him.


* Osas Mahawi


Source: http://owngoalnigeria.com/2017/04/05/revealed-players-rohr-plans-to-invite-for-future-games-ahead-of-mfm-stephen-odey/
@bolded. Owngoalnigeria can be such junk journalism. Where did they get the survey that most Nigerians want home-based players? People want the best players for the Eagles, not home-based for home-based sake.
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 9:42pm On Apr 05, 2017
What's the difference between this pronouncement:

"Meningitis is caused by fornication."
~ Governor Yari of Zamfara State.

and this tweet:

The root cause of mental illness is sin and the foundational solution to mental health is salvation
~ Pastor Sam Adeyemi.

I ask because the Christians who are condemning Yari today (and rightfully so) were the same people defending Adeyemi a few months ago. It seems believers are blind to the absurdity of their own beliefs.

If you believe that snakes and donkeys spoke Hebrew with perfect human diction or that a virgin gave birth without sexual intercourse or that a man flew into the sky on the back of a horse then how can you be repulsed by the notion that meningitis is caused by fornication?

Ijabla Raymond
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 7:32pm On Apr 03, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
You do not know the criteria. Something I have explained before. Note, Amunike knew what he was looking for and picked a player who suited his philosophy. How many teams in Nigeria train their players with the tiki taka philosophy. Amunike is a coach who embodies that. You can see that the player selected walked into his starting eleven.

It is possible to have six hundred players and only one embodies the philosophy. It is not our culture. The other players selected went through rigorous training to understand it.
LOL. Only his boys understand the philosophy. Just like Pep and his drilling. Okay!
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 7:23pm On Apr 03, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
For real. I said. Are you saying you did not follow the news? We had a thread dedicated to the junior teams.


Nigeria U-20 Head Coach, Emmanuel Amuneke has decided to have a three -day open screening for new players ahead of the team's camping for a 2017 Africa U-20 Cup of Nations qualifying fixture against Burundi, Vanguard reports.

Following Democratic Republic of Congo withdrawal from the tournament, Burundi progressed to be entitled to lock horns with Cup holders Nigeria.

Dates

Amuneke called for the open screening between Thursday 7 to Saturday 9 April before a group of 30 invited players arrive camp in Abuja on Monday 11 April.


http://www.futaa.com/transfers/amuneke-opens-screening-camp-for-u20
Cmon...if a coach calls 600 players to camp and chooses just one...and then piles the rest of the team with 'his boys', it is not unexpected for people to say that the camping exercise was a ruse.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 5:25pm On Apr 03, 2017
Icon4s:
I understand. But na make them begin the preparation on time.

In fact you deserve more. Take this one knack am down.

Joseph1013 we suppose dey do comment of the month award on this thread. Pick up 4 best comments or contributions and we vote.

That tbaba's comment deserves a look in. grin
grin Na that one go cause fight pass. Forgiveness go dey analyse singular and plural with that hin shine shine teeth.
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 3:54pm On Apr 03, 2017
According to NCDC, 328 people out of over 2,500 cases have died from the recent strain of meningitis. I was informed that this strain of the disease was recent to Nigeria and as such, current doses will not cure it. However, 500,000 doses of the vaccine are on the way but can we pause? What if a part of the world did not invest in science and research to produce vaccines? What if they waited for us and they just begun the research? What would we have been done? Give them paracetamol or assume its malaria or typhoid?

Imagine how we have been inflicted with polio but we have not worked hard to produce a vaccine? The world loans us money to buy vaccines. We rely on those who the shoes doesn't pinch to research and improve the vaccines. The same extreme heat causing meningitis can actually be used to produce power to cool the environment. We cannot connect the dots.

The British Empire rose when it found the maxim gun, built an amazing Navy and also led on cotton spinning technology. The US leapt because it cared for science, founding its National Academy for Science since the Abraham Lincoln era of 1860s. Chinese are repatriating intellectual capital and also leading in renewable technology and manufacturing. It is only the skilful use of science and capital, all embedded in their people, that has made nations great.

We have engineers and doctors but basic investment/output in science confounds us. We will rather put money in National Assembly, Prado Jeeps and borrow the rest to build basic infrastructure. We give 4-6% of our annual budget to health and education and we think we are building the future.

Why is everything wrong with our ability to think for the long-term?

Good Morning.

P.S To confound you more, kindly watch "Hidden Figures" and see what US was doing 50 years ago.

Oluseun Onigbinde
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 8:23am On Apr 03, 2017
Wilfred Ndidi vs Stoke. The tackles, interceptions, aerial presence...this guy is impressive.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e83G8xskebM
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 6:45am On Apr 03, 2017
TheEminentLaity:
This might help https://www.quora.com/Hypothetically-if-there-is-intelligent-alien-life-with-the-knowledge-and-means-to-traverse-space-and-travel-to-Earth-what-would-be-their-reasons-for-not-making-contact-Please-read-details/answer/Yishan-Wong
Damn! This guy is a killer! Shredding people's beliefs without remorse.

"The Earth is a tiny, tiny dust mote with even tinier tinier mites living on it whose physical capabilities have thus far been limited to raising the temperature on the surface of the dust mote by a few degrees. That is the sum total of the physical effect that our entire civilization has had on the real physical universe."

Talk about busting bubbles!

Quora is about my favourite place for my education on the web. Gracias!
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 4:47pm On Apr 02, 2017
Despite the injury to Gabriel Jesus, Pep still does not think Kelechi deserving of the bench.
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 3:21pm On Apr 02, 2017
ON THE JEWISH GOD OF THE BIBLE
by Godswill Vesta Utong

As a recurrent character in most anti-evolution campaigns and pseudoscience like creationism and Intelligent Design, the Jewish God, as portrayed in the Bible, seems to be the most evolved character ever to saddle our consciousness.

Here's a character whose presence could be departed from—hidden from, eventually gaining omnipresence.

A character who is known to have regretted his decisions at some point, eventually gaining omniscience—knowing everything before they even occur.

A character whose caprices can be matched only by his anger, eventually gaining benevolence and is touted as the poster child for love.

A character very much known to exist in and interact with objects in the third dimension—one who was known to walk in gardens and rest after a day's hardwork—suddenly becoming a ubiquitarian and existing outside every known dimension.

And just when you thought you'd figured him all out he gains an alter ego. Two alter egos.

With every advancement in knowledge of the natural, with every receding pocket of ignorance, it seems the Jewish God evolves—gains another super(natural)power—remaining elusive. He started evolving the moment he made his first appearance.

His latest addition to his trophy room of powers—this invisibility one—is particularly impressive. He's practically removed himself from every realm of rational enquiry, existing in, and only stalking the hearts of believers.

He has—and herein lies the problem and his ultimate undoing—amassed so much super(natural)powers that he has practically become too complex to describe and too strenuous to envision.

But he loves you.

You're so sure of it.

You do not know what he sounds like, but you're so sure he speaks to you.

You cannot even begin to describe what his hands look like, but you're so sure you see it in every situation in your life.

What's more impressive than the evolution of his visage is the evolution of his morality. Witnessing the speed with which the Jewish God's morality has evolved in the last 300 years, one can almost swear he dips himself in the blood of his son, washing himself clean of his own 'sins'.

The avowed misogynist is now an avid lover of women.

It was not so long ago that the Jewish God condoned slavery. Now he abhors it. Taaar! Don't even mention slavery near his adherents. "slavery? what's this despicable thing you speak of?"

The xenophobe is now a lover of people from all nations.

Encyclical after encyclical from the seat of the papacy has seen the Jewish God transform in his morality in a bid to be showcased as a global citizen.

And it is interesting to note that the morality of the Jewish God evolves with every hard-won battle for human rights.

I can assure you that it won't be too long before you hear the Jewish God has nothing against homosexuality—in fact he approves of our differences in sexual preferences. I promise you. If you hadn't heard it before, hear me now: your Jewish God will soon welcome homosexuality.

The question then is not if, but when.
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 2:18pm On Apr 02, 2017
Dear Winners disciples,

"My case is different" is the 2017 Winners’ Personalized Prophetic Declarations by Bishop Oyedepo.

Have you guys' cases been different since 1 January 2017 prophetic?

Have you guys made more money than other hardworking people in the world?

How many fleet of cars have you guys miraculously got?

How many houses have you people built?

I'm in no way doubt the power of your God. I'm waiting anxiously to hearing from you the different cases of you people.

Kind regards.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 6:51pm On Apr 01, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
WHEN YOU HAVE A SYSTEM. For now we do not have the system and so we can not short out these young geniuses fighting their way out of poverty. Our open camp system has served us fine. Why stop it?
I see that you're shifting the goal post as usual. I came into this discussion because you said we don't need such a system because it will work against some players.

But if you now agree that when we should such a system anchored on education, we will be better off, then my job is done.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 6:24pm On Apr 01, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
Let the educated ones compete against the uneducated ones. If any uneducated one is better, he deserves the chance. Talent and Discipline is key. Thumbs up to Manu Garba who helped a player like Yahaya speaking his native dialect to help him grow.
That's not sustainable. Tell me a football power that just pick people at random and tell them to start playing for their national teams?

You have to understand that systems trump personalities. Manu was there, he won't be there forever. If an Efik person comes, he's also inclined to help someone who speaks Efik. It's subtle nepotism.

When you have a system in place with education as the background, you better your lot.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 6:14pm On Apr 01, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
Until we have the systems in place, we can not start screening out kids from humble beginnings because their parents could not educate them. Football is another way to empower kids out of poverty. Look at Musa Yahaya. Imagine screening him out because he is not book smart and wasting such talent.
I can assure you that players better than him have been screened out with this present system of pick and play before. Is our football dead as a result? The said player is not even under contention to play for the Eagles at this time.

We have better odds of getting better talents if academies are made to educate the kids they bring in.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 6:05pm On Apr 01, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
Jamb Question. As I said, the best opportunity should go to the kids with the best talent and Discipline. Book Smart is not a guarantee.
There is nowhere in the world you will get that. Even right now, you don't get it.

What we need to do is to build systems. Systems that will come as close to it as possible. And the best system that will ensure the best balance is the one of education. Football does not last forever anyway. The average career is 10 years. If a player lives to be 70 years and he starts his career at 16, he has more than 40 years to live. So why not start on a foundation of education?
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 5:48pm On Apr 01, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
Even book smart, well schooled players fall for bad agents.
So what are the odds compared to an uneducated footballer? There is something called risk management.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 5:45pm On Apr 01, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
LOLS. You are still missing it. Rooney shows that a player like Ifeanyi Ifeanyi can be young. Looks deceive.
Such a simple thing you have decided not to understand. grin

A Rooney is not a cause for concern. An Ifeanyi is a cause for concern. Simple something!
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 5:39pm On Apr 01, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
That is why I said you are missing the point and you went all out to elaborate that you are missing the point. grin

I will not go all out to defend Ifeanyi Ifeanyi but I will also not go out to condemn him because like Donnaruma, looks could deceive.
Only an ignorant person will not accept the age of Rooney. Only a blind patriot will accept the claims of Ifeanyi.

Can you see how you missed my point?
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 5:37pm On Apr 01, 2017
goldfish80:
What they were issued was not first school leaving certificate. First school leaving certificate come directly from the state education board.
Date of birth and some other data you mentioned is not captured in the first school leaving certificate.
The government is notoriously bad in keeping such records. We know it. Even crucial documents like records of the Nigerian Stock Exchange were being lost to rainfall, fire outbreak, and pure old age until they migrated to electronic record keeping.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 5:17pm On Apr 01, 2017
goldfish80:
Probably you haven't had a cause to go retrieve your school cert. When you do have a cause, nobody will tell you to run back to your primary school headmistress or state education board to retrieve the doc.

As a prerequisite to be in camp, players must be made to come with the afformentioned documents just like they came with their clothings and soccer boots.

Youth football goes hand in hand with education. A player shouldn't be worthy of consideration if he uses lack of education as the reason he cannot provide his school papers. One thing should be clear, because as we play to win football matches at the cadet level, we also showcase the quality our education. Football and education are like twins and rightly so.

I recall with shame when Ramon Azzez was asked to read the FIFA fair play rules from a piece of paper as a duty of being captain. The young man struggled to read four sentences. It was a huge national disgrace if you ask me. It shows the young man is sparsely educated. It wasn't a good advertisement for Nigeria irrespective of the fact that it was a football tournament and not an inter school debate.
Interestingly, the few people I know who went to collect their primary school certificates went many years later after finishing tertiary education. You know what they did? They were told to fill a form with details like date of birth, year of resumption, year of graduation, etc. The school then typed the details given into a template.

How do you trust that kind of certificate as a good measure of the age of a person? Abeg, we know how things are run in this country. What records do we keep?
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 5:11pm On Apr 01, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
You missed the point. I am saying that MRI is it just the reason for our growth in football. It also has to do with talent. I am also pointing out that we have produced young quality players without the MRI.

As for Harry Redknapp (Doubt it was Allardyce), Kanu already had a Heart Condition long before he joined Arsenal. How he expected Kanu after his career at Arsenal to perform like a young Bobo beats my imagination.

The idea of using appearance to pick out the age of players does not add up because of the likes of Pogba and Donnaruma.

Anyone who wants to hinge his belief on that is free. Does not change the fact that looks is not a guarantee.
Youre the one missing the point. Our football has a better future with MRI than without it. It's visible to the blind.

I just laughed at your rationale for the comments to Kanu's situation. So the medical personnel who gave the report about Kanu did not know of Kanu's history? Well done!

I have explained Pogba and Donnaruma's situations to you many times. I wonder why you want me repeating myself. People are correct to see their looks and wonder, but the mere realization that they are French and Italian citizens will put their minds at rest. You simply don't want to understand why people react that way?

If someone sees Ifeanyi Ifeanyi with his age of 21 declaration, and doubts him, I will not defend him. It's possible he is an age cheat. He failed the U17 MRI. He was drafted to the U20 where there is no age test. So I have absolutely no reason to defend him. Or let me ask you, how will you defend him?

If you doubt Rooney, you can ask for his records and it will be shown you. There is no argument about it.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 4:54pm On Apr 01, 2017
goldfish80:
That is why I added the caveat in my last paragraph that anyone who cannot provide such verifiable documents should come with their first school leaving certificate.
We all know the age range which a kid is expected to graduate from primary school. You can't claim U17 while your first school leaving certificate says you graduated from primary school in 2005.
Anyone who cannot provide the aforementioned certificates should be disqualified from attending screenings. There are many ways to kill a rat.
Till now, I have not collected my primary school certificate. I don't know how many people on this thread have their primary school certificates, but if my experience is a common one, how can we use this way to kill this rat?

The truth we don't want to accept is that nothing substitute for a real birth certificate. The primary and secondary school certificates can bear false dates. If a player knows that he is going into an academy, he can write a false date of birth in his WAEC form, what then?
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 4:49pm On Apr 01, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
MRI helped our football but some like Awaziem, Mikel Agu and Victor Moses did not use that route to stardom. We produced quality young players in the past like Oliseh, Oruma and Finidi without the help of MRI screening.

The fact is that not all players that look older than their ages are overage. Ask Rooney.
And you saw how people like Oruma, Oliseh, Kanu, Yakubu, etc were made fun of about their ages. I remember the story Allardyce told about Kanu being so tired and the doctor said he could not have been less than 40 at the time he claimed 30 or so. Not good for our image, football and country.

No one is sure of the real age of Awazien and Agu. Time will tell.

One of the ways MRI scans has helped us is that if FIFA shows the world that our players are within the particular age, foreign clubs will have more rest of mind in dealing with them. If enough players in an academy pass the MRI scans, foreign clubs will trust the club more. I don't understand how this is lost on us.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 4:40pm On Apr 01, 2017
goldfish80:
Speaking on the issue of age falsification and lack of public records. I wll disagree with the summation we don't have public records. We actually do.
Anyone born in a government accredited hospital or health centre is issued with birth certificate. This record is well cataloged in the hospital database that even if you come back after 50years the record can be called up.
I personally had an issue last year which I went through the process and within 30 mins my file was pulled out.

Also any baptised Catholic have his records kept forever. I have seen people who got their baptismal cards reissued when they was about to Wed and their records called up by the catechist within minutes. Some of the records predate the civil war.


The case with age forgery is aided by the lax attitude to verifying data.
If the NFF wanted to verify age and cut cost they should simply have a unit in the state FA's who will verify documents from players coming from their state or better still, for those without a birth certificate, they should be mandated to come to camp with their first school leaving certificate. Its very simple.

1. Paper documents: How long can paper documents last? In Nigeria where we have frequent random fire outbreaks? Where people carelessly store paper files? Cmon... Electronic storage of documents as seen in saner climes, and good corporate management of such records are ways to avoid these preventable hazards.

2. Do you have any idea the number of people from 2000 downwards that were not born in accredited healthcare facilities? A sizeable percentage of people were even midwifed in 'traditional' ways.

3. Catholicism is just one arm of the Church. Not every Nigerian is a Christian. Not every Christian is a Catholic.

Unless we want to sidestep the truth, we all know the average Nigerian is not totally misguided when they doubt the age of our footballers, particularly those that didn't go through the MRI scans. A problem accepted is half-solved.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 4:06pm On Apr 01, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
We have a lot of challenges here to turn our system overnight. We do not even have enough centres to provide Medicare. Simple. Looks does not determine age. Whether verified or not.
Then our players will continue to have problems with people doubting their ages. It's not the fault of the doubters. It's not the fault of the players (if genuine). It's what the hand of fate has dealt them by them being born to mismanaged Africa.

You can see how MRI scans has helped us and our football, right?
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 3:58pm On Apr 01, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
The point is simple. A young player can look old and that can not be an accurate reason for doubting a player's age.
There is nothing wrong about having suspicions about the age of a player if people think his looks does not match how old he says he is.

It is left for the player to prove them wrong. In the case of the Europeans, they turn to their fantastic system. Who do we turn to over here to douse the tensions?
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 2:19pm On Apr 01, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
I share terzurum5 ideology. He is not saying Pogba is overage. He is saying we should stop using looks to tag players overage. If Donnaruma was Nigerian, no one will believe he is a teenager because of his looks. People should not suffer because of the failed system.
If anyone questions Donnaruma, his records can be checked and verified. How do you check the records of a Nigerian player who is on suspicion of being an age cheat? Through a Nigerian high court affidavit that can be obtained by the roadside for #100?

See why we won't be trusted and be subjected to other methods of age verifications like MRI scans until we get our house in order?
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 2:16pm On Apr 01, 2017
terzurum5:
Now I can deduce from your previous posts that as far as we do not have a comprehensive system of records, our age declaration will not be accepted, even when the persons concerned are telling the truth.

Therefore, even when someone from the advanced Countries presents his age we should not doubt because such persons are from climes where standard and comprehensive data is kept.
Paul Pogba looks older than a 24yr old person, but I should be forced to admit his age is real.

On the other hand, I should always doubt the ages of Nigerian youngsters such as Iheanacho, Simon, Musa Yahaya and co even though appear to be young and as well a true reflection of their declared age, just because they are from the part of the World where comprehensive records are not fully adopted.

Can you see the useless doctrine the whites want to force on ushuh
You're missing the point. As long as your country cannot get it right in the keeping of records, you will have to make do with other methods of ascertaining the ages of your footballers like MRI scans.

There is something called precedence. If people from a particular country are known for being drug peddlers, it only makes sense to put extra measures before allowing citizens from that place to enter your country. It's just common sense. Nothing personal. Your anger is misdirected.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 11:21am On Apr 01, 2017
terzurum5:
I met a foreigner early last year, we discussed on so many issues. He told me that he has worked with some people from a particular state who where very honest. "He now believes that anyone from that State is honest."

These generalisations do not always prove to true.
What does this have to do with the age of Pogba?

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