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SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 8:37pm On Mar 20, 2017
tbaba1234:
Who is the man on the floor biko?? #mancity grin grin grin grin

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7O60DeXwAAPq5l.jpg
LOL. And that's Luis Enrique watching the show.
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op):
ANOTHER SUICIDE...SAD CASE

I've been really sad since hearing of Dr Orji Allwell jumping off Third Mainland Bridge yesterday evening. His is the third case I'm learning of in the past one week. Depression is real folks and, by George, I hope we take action and see depression for what it is. It's high time we understood that medical experts are those we have to go through, not religious leaders. How many people see therapists when they experience suicidal thoughts in this country?

Accept it or not, church dominance in Nigeria makes all other meaningful disciplines irrelevant. Someone with clinical depression for example, is less likely to seek recourse in therapy but in the Church. Much worse, the bogus claim of the Church to salve our troubled lives blindly overlooks the human condition as a possible cause, at times overestimating the problem to some needless demonic or satanic-paranormal plight.

This huge chunk of relevance the Church commands “regresses” us as a society; we need therapists, shrinks, child psychologists and other disciplines whose expertise might be brought to bear on a matter, not this monolithic relevance-grab by the church to the depression of all other disciplines.

Church dominance in Nigeria is like heavy reliance on petroleum at the expense of other meaningful sectors.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 3:56pm On Mar 20, 2017
goldfish80:
You must have typed this with a very big grin on your face.
grin grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op):
stephenmorris:
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Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 6:30am On Mar 20, 2017
stephenmorris:
joseph1013 if you have the homon deus pdf,can you please send it to my male like you did the homo sapiens own
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Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 7:32am On Mar 19, 2017
TWO MISTAKES YOU SHOULD NEVER MAKE

Once you accept there is a supernatural realm, you're at risk. At that point nothing is too absurd for you to believe. This is when you risk becoming an apologist for the ridiculous. This descent into the absurd relies upon two thinking mistakes.

The first mistake is to accept there is a supernatural realm, when there is simply no valid reason to believe this is true.

The second mistake is to treat the existence of the supernatural, not as a possibility or a tentative conclusion based on speculative, fallible evidence, but as a self-evident premise that cannot be challenged. Once you have done this, you can build an entire world-view, using this premise as the foundation for further beliefs--such as a belief in gods, magical animals, invisible creatures, deadly curses and events that never happened and could never happen.

That is when you become lost to reason.

But there is a way back and it's simple. The way back is to understand these two foundational mistakes, and to think again.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013:
tbaba1234:
Fanendo Adi scores again Perhaps, this guy can solve our striker issues.. Joseph1013


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJE4kHKyJWg
I have said it before that these people shouting MLS this, MLS that cannot boast that come what may the Super Eagles will beat Columbia, Uruguay, Chile, or USA. In the FIFA ranking, USA is 30th, Uruguay is 9th, Columbia is 7th, Chile is 4th. Nigeria is 41 o. Some of the players of these teams play in the MLS, Fernando Adi is bossing them week in week out. Even Kaka was invited to the Brazilian team while playing in MLS.

We have players from Cameroun, Ivory Coast, and Mexico playing in the MLS.

So what's the excuse for not inviting Adi when he is regularly showing his quality in the league. It's not just the goals, it's the ways he scores them. Is MLS not better than Cyprus league? What about Bosnia?

According to a 2016 ranking, here are the top 10 leagues in the world:

1 Spanish La Liga 48
2 Premier League 47
3 Bundesliga 42
4 Italian Serie A 37
5 Portuguese Liga 35
6 French Ligue 1 31
7 Dutch Eredivisie 27
8 Argentine League 21
9 Brazilian Serie A 20
10 USA MLS 20


Source: http://www.totalsportek.com/football/ranking-best-league-in-the-world/

I repeat: What's the excuse? Why not invite him to camp and let him compete. Glad the likes of Siasia and Oliseh are out of the settings with their lies that he cannot undertake rigorous workouts.
Please what did they achieve for us with their rigorous training?
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 6:33pm On Mar 18, 2017
Again, Ndidi wins Man of Match in Leicester's win.

SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 7:57pm On Mar 17, 2017
safarigirl:
that is almost as ridiculous as that time when lakesidepapa put his money on Senegal to win AFCON....


Speaking of which, Joseph1013, na so this bros just do us shoki for this thread grin
The guy don bobo us finish. Even Buhari don comot, come back. grin
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 1:50pm On Mar 16, 2017
THE QUEST FOR MIRACLES...

The weak link in all miracle claims is that they rely on fallible human testimony and cannot be reproduced on demand before a skeptical audience. "But," some say, "God doesn't work like that; he does not provide miracles on tap for those who demand to see a demonstration of his power."

Or, "God no longer routinely performs miracles since the time of the Bible." But to this I say that these are precisely the sorts of excuses one would have to give to salvage a belief in miracles, if in fact they do not occur.

If Elijah was able to call on Yahweh to bring fire down from heaven before his adversaries (taunting the priests of Baal for their failure to do the same), why did no one come forward to skeptic James Randi to perform a bona fide miracle, and claim his one million dollar reward for doing so? Perhaps those who believe in miracles should do as Elijah advised the priests of Baal: "Shout louder! Surely he is a god! Perhaps he is deep in thought, or busy, or traveling. Maybe he is sleeping and must be awakened" (1 Kings 18:27).

Let's assume God exists and has the power to perform miracles, an assumption I do not categorically deny, but about which I am very skeptical. If, in addition to these assumptions, we also assume the Bible is true, then God causes an ax head to float in the Old Testament to preserve a prophet's investment, and God causes the Jordan to part so a prophet can cross it on foot without having to use a boat like most mortals, but he doesn't prevent an infant from starving at its mother's dried-up breast in an African drought, nor does he orchestrate the early demise of Hitler to prevent the many millions of deaths of World War II.

Does it not more readily comport with experience that, if God exists, he has purposefully restricted himself from all supernatural intervention in the world, rather than that he sometimes intervenes off and on again in ways that appear so whimsical to us? It seems a mockery to the agony of the mother of Austin (a young mentee) that God would cause an ax head to float but not relieve her suffering as she slowly died of cancer.

If we assume that God as a matter of principle does not intervene in the course of nature, then the arbitrariness vanishes. Of course the question remains, how could he choose to stand by and not intervene?

This is a problem for deism, I grant, and one of the lesser reasons for which I have come to doubt the existence of God.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 1:31pm On Mar 16, 2017
Ahmad replaces Issa Hayatou as African football chief

https://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/imagecache/mbdxxlarge/mritems/Images/2017/3/16/a146e3e36bdc4f35a01af700c46e7564_18.jpg

Ahmad Ahmad becomes president of Confederation of African Football (CAF), beating Issa Hayatou who served for 29 years.

Ahmad won the election in the Ethiopian capital by 34 votes to Hayatou's 20, official results showed [AFP]
Madagascar's football chief Ahmad Ahmad has been elected president of the Confederation of African Football (CAF) on Thursday, ousting veteran leader Issa Hayatou after 29 years in office.

Ahmad won the election in the Ethiopian capital by 34 votes to Hayatou's 20, official results showed.

"When you try to do something, you mean that you can do it," Ahmad told reporters after the vote. "If I can't do it, I never stand."

Ahmad, a 57-year-old father of two, had a discreet playing and coaching career before he took the reins of the Madagascar football federation in 2003.

His rare and determined bid for "change" at the head of the CAF this year took many by surprise, and the incumbent was seen as the favourite.

Hayatou headed CAF since 1988 and is a senior vice president of FIFA. He has been credited with increasing the number of African teams at the World Cup and bringing in extra finance for the continent's competitions.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/03/ahmad-replaces-issa-hayatou-african-football-chief-170316113650420.html
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013:
goldfish80:
You're being hypocritical. If Iheanacho had the kind of game Mbappe had over the 2 legs, you would have turned the thread upside down with adulations on how magical Guardiola has been on Iheanacho on the training ground.
grin grin grin
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013:
do4luv14:
i still don't know what's so special abt MESSI,
a player who hav refuse to leave his comfort zone to me is a baby who refuse to leave his mothers breast
No serious football fan will engage you on this topic.
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 2:16pm On Mar 13, 2017
TheEminentLaity:
What do you think about preternatural phenomena like demonic possessions, exorcisms, haunted houses, ghosts, and the guys from 'The Conjuring’ movie. Did you experience any as a ‘spirit-filled-born-again-christian' and what are your explanations for these?
It was interesting times. Well, during my time, I did 'perform' miracles. There were times I had felt some sensations and declared to the congregation that there was someone (described the person) and said the Lord had healed him/her of an illness. I would ask that they come forth and lay hands on them. Thereafter, they would come back to say they were healed.

Another example: A woman, let's call her Deborah, who attended my church while I was still a believer. She was bound to a wheelchair for over a year and a half, unable even to stand up. One day as she was listening to inspirational music and praying for God to heal her, she felt a wave of God's presence over her and was then able to stand up and walk about on her own. I am told that anyone who remains bound to a wheelchair for an extended period of time would not subsequently be able to walk without therapy, due to muscle atrophy alone. This provided additional corroboration that God had intervened on her behalf.

There are at least two kinds of false miracle reports: misperceptions and intentional deceptions. I did not know Deborah very well at all, but I know that a lot of trustworthy people in my church consider her trustworthy, so I am disinclined to think she was pulling a deception by sitting in her chair and pretending to be disabled (though it is a possibility that should be kept open). I know too little of her condition to make a call: was she diagnosed? If so, are there any statistics on recovery rates from her condition? Have any physicians evaluated her healing? It is not unfair to ask these questions before coming to the conclusion that it had to be supernatural. After all, a certain percentage of people recover spontaneously from even the most deadly of cancers, on the order of 1 in 100,000.

But what do I think about preternatural phenomena like demonic possessions, exorcisms, haunted houses, ghosts, and the guys from 'The Conjuring’ movie? I approach them with skepticism!

What should be our approach to claims of the preternatural phenomena? It should be the approach of detective and paranormal investigator Joe Nickell, who advocates withholding judgment until being granted the opportunity to investigate the claim.

Nickell never pronounces his judgment on a reported paranormal phenomenon, be it a weeping statue or a haunted house, until he has been given the chance to examine the claim. If he must place a stethoscope on a statue purported to have a heartbeat, that is what he will do. So far, no claim of the paranormal has given him pause, no reason to think a supernatural explanation was required, but he will examine each claim on a case-by-case basis.

Unfortunately, most of the claims we hear in the present day, not to mention those found in the Bible, are not amenable to this sort of controlled investigation. This being the case, we are under no compulsion to accept them as authentic.
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 1:45pm On Mar 13, 2017
TheEminentLaity:
Interesting

Let’s assume that humans discard all religions this moment and resolve never to bring them back, I would predict that in the shortest of times, they would invent several other gods and religions as replacement. I also think a similar outcome would be observed irrespective of previous religious/theistic knowledge/history. The gods in religions today are the ones people want to exist and has little to do with actual existence probably why many would continue to reject facts that do not affirm the comforting superstitions they hold.

Another factor I think is the propensity of majority, probably due to religious influences, to blame external circumstances/people/things for individual shortcomings so they invent mythical antagonists to suit that purpose. ‘the devil didn’t want me to succeed but...'

I also think atheistic/non-theistic dispositions about uncertainty very likely has a significant relationship with education or knowledge of methods/techniques towards demystifying uncertainty. It could be likened to behavioural differences between domesticated animals vs primal relatives.

But I still think it’s extremely apathetic to console anyone with the facts in grieving moments. It’s better to be all things to all men at grieving moments to avoid the risk of exacerbating issues and annoying people with facts. grin grin

Anyway, just my thoughts.
Would people cook up new religions if we discard all religions this moment? It depends on which region(s) of the earth you do that. In places where the light of enlightenment have shone, most of them will just move on with life like nothing had happened. For instance, countries like Japan, Vietnam, Denmark and Netherlands where irreligious people are the overwhelming majority will not feel any loss. It is countries in Subsaharan Africa struggling with poverty that will be hard-pressed to come up with new ones.

Japan, the UK, Canada, South Korea, the Netherlands, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Germany, France and Uruguay (where the majority of citizens have European roots) are all places where religion was important just a century or so ago, but that now report some of the lowest belief rates in the world. These countries feature strong educational and social security systems, low inequality and are all relatively wealthy.

I have referenced Prof Harari's excellent book, Homo Sapiens, on this thread before and he detailed how humans will weave up imaginary things into reality because that's just who we are. We are creative beings. As it is, science is showing religion to be a facade but new creations are constantly weaved into being that evoke equally strong emotions like nationalism, capitalism, socialism, etc.
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 10:18am On Mar 13, 2017
TheEminentLaity:
Throughout history, humans have always looked towards the divine in moments of fear, despair and great sorrow. It is convenient to analyse probability of events occurring hypothetically but in reality no one does that. Everyone including the most hardened of atheists in real moments would wonder and ask god/nature/spirits/whatever why a series of unfortunate events keep happening.

Also, what would a radical atheist tell a grieving mother who just lost all her children and husband in the same week? or what would a father tell his only surviving daughter that is grieved from the loss of her mother and other siblings in a plane crash?That they were all decomposing tissues and victims of unlikely probability? she isn’t going to see/meet them again? Someone said radical atheism is kind of disorder of hyperactivity of the left brain, there are many reasons to lean towards that suggestion.
This is an interesting point. While it is true that the sun and the rain falls on all men, it is not true that all men yearn for the divine to explain why things are the way they are in their times of troubles.

This reminds me of a story a missionary told about when he went to a remote village in the 1970s to evangelize. He told them about Christ and his sacrifice on the Cross and of how he came to redeem them from their sins. After he finished speaking, the leader stood up and said, "This Jesus you speak about, is he NPC, NCPC or AG? (Those were the political parties in the first republic)"

It goes to show that a man does not know what he does not know. The same reason a Christian will not wonder why Allah is punishing him is the same reason why an atheist not exposed to religion will not wonder why God is abandoning him. It is a Christian that is an ex-muslim that may wonder if Allah is angry, and an Atheist that is an ex-christian that may wonder if Yahweh is punishing him for abandoning him. The kids born in the Scandinavia with no indoctrination of religion will not wonder about divine retribution if they experience bad times.

What would a radical atheist tell people who are grieving? The truth with empathy. In fact, most times, only empathy is needed. We all have been with people who are grieving and all they wanted was a shoulder to cry on. They didn't even want you to say anything. They just wanted to vent out their sadness and cry their hearts out. Scriptures (1 Thess 4:13) say to believers about those who have died, "We don’t want you to grieve like other people who have no hope", but in reality, believers still cry their hearts out as much as unbelievers.

I know to the theist it may seem inexplicable or cold but you have to understand that in certain ways, knowing that death is the end of the journey and accepting it can also be freeing. This is a process that has been repeated 20-30 some billion times by humans in the course of history. I do not have to concern about if me or my loved ones were good enough to get into heaven or bad enough to face hell. I know that I am made of stardust that in turn came from yet other stars and that someday parts of me will be stardust again.

"I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it."
~ Mark Twain
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 9:41am On Mar 13, 2017
TheEminentLaity:
Joseph1013, you apostate, how dare you speak objectively about christianity? The impetus. You have not the Spirit so you can NEVER NEVER NEVER understand the things of God and the bible, NEVER! grin grin grin

But bros this is legendary, without a doubt, the best thread on NL. You have surely been immaculately regenerated with scientific knowledge and history. Amazing how even your writing improved as I read along…My adulations are too voluminous to type. In short, TWALE!! you be Man-wey-Sabi.

I read all 55 pages, very engaging and for the first time on this forum I didn’t want it to end. Indeed this is thought-provoking, full of insight with precise information. You surely make science, reading a lot, and speaking intelligently sexy. You have reignited my curiosity and opened my eyes to see - even as a scientist myself- that the not-so-obvious bubble of religiosity that exists within/around us, even in the minds of liberals, influence and hinder us somewhat from asking the most daring of questions about our existence. From James Randi to Probability to NDERF Man! I loved the probability talk. Amazing stuff. I would only share my thoughts.

Having an infantile christian background, I moved from atheism to 'finding Christ/getting saved’ into pentecostal Christianity. In my christian walk, I gradually turned towards fundamentalism - thanks to my church that was never short of other fundies to encourage me and make me feel comfortable being an arsehole towards 'non-believers’.

But being as inquisitive -simply out of genuine interest- as I am I just couldn’t last. The nauseating ignorance masquerading as faith within those circles made me question all the beliefs with its theological history and so I found most of their end-time/rapture beliefs -that sadly cause delusions ala MrPresident1 and annyplenty misinterpreted as prophecies/end-time/apocalyptic visions - and fraudulent teachings are fairly recent in christian history. So, I moved along with history, i.e. If christianity is true, towards Orthodoxy and discovered an almost entirely different doctrine and theology rich in history and tradition that resonates with the New Testament Church and the apostles; but here I am again, questioning everything, wholly embracing scepticism and learning and re-learning. It is honest and beautiful to say “I don’t know” There is nothing wrong with doubt/doubting - funny how these religions equate doubting with the worst of sins.

However, I still don’t think the Bible or Quran should be completely written off as total BS - at least not yet with my current level of knowledge, I guess you know better - even though it contains some of the most ridiculous stories. I don’t believe the true God of the universe -if any- told Moses/Joshua/Mohammed/Rev King or anybody to go slaughter/sacrifice, commit genocide or/and enslave humans and keep the virgins. God, the one synonymous with ‘god said/spoke/ministered to me’- does NOT speak to anybody. S/He/They have NEVER spoken to anyone. It’s all in our minds, many religious people only choose to justify their desires with god branding.

Religion itself isn’t entirely bad as you may have painted it. However, people need to know the facts, of which you have done quite well here, and be guided by it. As you may well know that the human brain, well capable of hypothetical thinking has limitations that tend towards cognitive heuristic biases towards possible outcomes. It retain aspects of information that writes a suitable story for us and not the entire story. History as well isn’t completely reliable as aptly coined by Napoleon ‘A fable agreed upon’ and it is the victors that write the story; but I agree with you that logic and science is much more reliable.

I don’t think anyone or anything is entirely good or evil and Abrahamic religions in spite of its bloody history has a lot of good - be it Illusory or not - in it. Religion in these parts restrains a lot of people. Think about all the potential domestic violence and almost-homicide cases doused by priests/pastors/imams/spiritual leaders. Going by these, it is safe to say that Africans would become even more barbaric savages without it.

Personally, hesychasm and prayer has made me become a much better person, in compassion and empathy especially in comparison with when I was an angry atheist. I’m sure it is like that for many others in religion. I think if one is a fundamentalist in religion it has to do more about the person than the religion because they most likely would go on to be fundamentalist/‘angry' atheists when they leave. A dishonest person wouldn’t be any less dishonest when s/he leaves religion.

Most people find religion by birth or through decisions during heightened emotional states. Rarely, if any, do people find religion through reason, certainly not the Abrahamic ones. The apologetics sure paint a fine picture for people who do not or have not the time to read these ‘holy' books but nonetheless, the god-of-the-gaps in religion has brought peace, responsibility, purpose and sanity to a good majority. We either see the glass half empty or half full. True religion (James 1:27) isn’t against science, I think it is rather ignorance emboldened by religion that is.

People do not function/behave outside of their reasoning capacities. Hence, if they knew better they simply wouldn’t do the things which you strongly condemn that are not in the least helpful to us as a people. Also, the fact that you know so much through your curiosity and vast reading habits is because you have access (food, money, a home, power, internet, experiences and books) that the majority are being continually denied of in these parts. The people in governments - a typical representation of the people - simply don’t know what education is and it’s value, if they did, they wouldn’t act the way they do.

I would, however, suggest that you see yourself not better than the religious ones but rather privileged to be able to educate, your reading habits could well go for as a pleasant disorder and of course, not many people read ‘boring’ stuff even if they had the same access you do. There is no need for condescension, as typical of many atheists in their disdain for religion. There is a thin line between learning during arguments and not wanting to lose by all means. You wouldn’t have known all these things if you had no teachers in your primary school and was starving for most parts of the day.

As a people, we have been robbed by the colonialists and we can only play catch-up. It will take a long time but little drops, like you have done here will go a long way. This one would certainly be in the archives.

A little addition of note ‘The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom’ is one pleasantly sounding untruth that has gone on for centuries.

Africans, it is rather fear that keeps us bound by toxic religions/oppression/indoctrination and there is absolutely no virtue in fear, none at all.

The acquisition of knowledge is the beginning of wisdom. Knowledge of scientific facts, laws and history that casts out all fear.

In all thy getting, get knowledge. There is no universal truth that would require defenders/apologetics/imperial powers of oppression to defend. Nobody goes about killing anyone that says the sky is purple.

Atheism is a personal journey of honest inquiry about long held beliefs but it does not provide an alternative to human’s religious nature neither does the truth about religion tell us why we are very prone to hold on to comforting superstitions. It is only rational that not many people would leave religion in spite of knowledge of its superstitions.

Throughout history, humans have always looked towards the divine in moments of fear, despair and great sorrow. It is convenient to analyse probability of events occurring hypothetically but in reality no one does that. Everyone including the most hardened of atheists in real moments would wonder and ask god/nature/spirits/whatever why a series of unfortunate events keep happening.

Also, what would a radical atheist tell a grieving mother who just lost all her children and husband in the same week? or what would a father tell his only surviving daughter that is grieved from the loss of her mother and other siblings in a plane crash?That they were all decomposing tissues and victims of unlikely probability? she isn’t going to see/meet them again? Someone said radical atheism is kind of disorder of hyperactivity of the left brain, there are many reasons to lean towards that suggestion.

Don’t stop writing Joseph1013, you are sage.
Thanks for this. Appreciated. Yeah, I eventually caught you when the 'likes' kept coming in droves. I will address a point you raised near the end of your post in the next comment.
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 2:10pm On Mar 10, 2017
YAHWEH LOVES SUYA

Then Noah built an altar to the Lord, and took of every clean animal and of every clean bird, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And the Lord smelled a soothing aroma. Then the Lord said in His heart, “I will never again curse the ground for man’s sake, although the imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth; nor will I again destroy every living thing as I have done.
Genesis 8:20-21 NKJV
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 12:11pm On Mar 10, 2017
NOT ALL QUESTIONS ARE LEGITIMATE

"Where does the fire go when you put out the candle?"

I asked this question yesterday and the responses were interesting. A few people tried to give serious answers but I dare say, everyone who commented on that post must have felt something off about the question.

That was the point of the post.

You see, just because a question can be phrased in grammatically correct language doesn't make it a genuine question.

"Why does the fire go...?"

Fire is a product of a complex chemical reaction. It did not 'Come' from anywhere and therefore it does not 'Go' anywhere. Putting out a candle terminates the chemical reaction.

What is the edge of a circle?

What was before Time?

These questions are grammatically correct but they're flawed questions.

Sometimes in engagements online, someone may ask a seemingly 'deep' question that is just really nonsense. Someone even commented "Deep" on that post . It wasn't a deep question. It was a flawed question.

Questions like "Who created you/the first human?"

These questions are akin to asking a man "Have you stopped beating your wife?"

These are flawed questions. Loaded questions that presupposes an already known 'fact' which in most cases is just nonsense.

Don't fall for these things. If a question seems off, most times it is because something is wrong with it. Take your time, think about it. Find out what (if any) is assumed in such questions. That way, you're not drawn into pointless arguments that will leave you confused and drained.

BY AKORITA ISAIAH
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 5:40pm On Mar 09, 2017
IF PRAYER REALLY WORKED

Imagine there was a supernatural being who could intervene in our world.

If this being did something to affect our natural world, we would see the effect but we would not see the cause. We would see an uncaused effect.

If this supernatural being answered billions of prayers a day, every answered prayer would be an effect with no cause. So, across the world, we would be witnessing billions of uncaused effects everyday; lost keys just appearing in your hand but not where you left them, parked cars disappearing before your eyes to give you a free space, a bus failing to move despite the engine racing, to give you time to get aboard...

We would find all this extremely unsettling--we expect effects to have a cause. We expect this as surely as we expect a dropped heavy object to fall. We expect it because we only ever see caused effects.

We never see uncaused effects because they don't happen.

Sorry.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 11:21pm On Mar 08, 2017
Don't hate a great team. Greatest comeback in football history by the greatest club on earth. Força Barça!!! tongue tongue tongue
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 10:23am On Mar 08, 2017
MOVIE RECOMMENDATION

Silence, a movie released in 2016 is a movie I recommend. It is one of the few films where you'll actually see persecuted Christians, rather than Christians who are offended because an Atheist dared to question their holy book (I'm talking to you, God's Not Dead).

I feel everyone should see this film, no matter what religion they believe in or not believe in because we live in a society where one person simply doesn't buy into the bullshit that the person next to them believes, they're immediately antagonized.

As an atheist, I don't believe in any religion, but I believe in one's choice to practice a religion. So to me, Silence was an excellent film.

If it's playing in a cinema near you, seriously check it out. It's a little long, but still worth the watch.
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 10:19am On Mar 08, 2017
onyenze123:
.......

Mark 9:42

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If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in me--to stumble, it would be better for them if a large millstone were hung around their neck and they were thrown into the sea.

grin grin
Indeed. I await the day.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 5:16am On Mar 07, 2017
tbaba1234:
Fanendo Adi scored 2 goals.. The second goal was especially good...

See highlights here: http://www.timbers.com/post/2017/03/06/mls-team-week-timbers-fanendo-adi-diego-valeri-make-their-mark-week-1
He was unplayable in this match. Scored two goals...was brought down for a penalty for another goal. Contrary to what some would have us believe, this guy is good in hold-up play and can build from the back. He was building throughout the match. There is just too much sentiments in Nigerian football. People judge players even without watching them.
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op):
THANKS FOR READING...

Time and time again, I get notified of a large number of 'likes' just out of the blues. When I check, I realize that they have been coming from someone reading this thread from Page 1 all the way to the latest page.

It shows these sometimes incoherent words are making sense to people. I have gotten emails from people saying their journey to disbelief started on this thread. I'm humbled by this.

I have been spending the last hours watching Youtube videos of Benny Hinn endorsing Chris Oyakhilome. The last video lasted 3 hours. Benny Hinn invited Oyakhilome to California to preach to a congregation of about 100 people. It was a huge endorsement and Chris was grinning from ear to ear proud to have his mentor pay glowing tributes to him.

In describing what he saw in Nigeria when he last visited in November 2016, he spoke of how Nigeria is now very different from what he experienced when Benson Idahosa invited him in the 80s. He called Nigerian pastors the best pastors in the world. He called Nigerian churches the best hosts in the world. He said there is a move of the Holy Spirit in Nigeria that is not in any place on earth. He ended by saying that the US needs Nigeria.

That struck me as odd. In terms of economic development, Nigeria is one of the worst places to do business and even live. A reuter report last week quoted some investors saying that Nigeria is uninvestable. The US is the world's leader in economic development and it is still the greatest country on earth.

Here is my point: That Benny looks to Nigeria as an example to the world shows the level of 'unthinkingness' that is taking place. There is a dearth of critical thinking no thanks to widespread poverty. Nigeria's greatest export is now religion. Ministries are springing up all over the world managed by Nigerian pastors, and those who understand religion realize the bondage Nigerians must be to have so many of these charlatans fleecing them.

Therefore, if my little thread does something to buck the trend and cause people to carve a 'thinking' path, then it would be worth the efforts.

Thanks for reading this thread. Hope it stays here for a long time. Posterity will absolve us of some blame because here is proof that some indeed understood the manipulation and exploitation that is taking place at this time of great religiosity in our dear country.

Keep reading. The truth will set you free...
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 4:12pm On Mar 06, 2017
YOU OWE IT TO PEOPLE

Let's play a game of "imagine"...

Imagine people you knew believed that Santa Claus actually existed. And they lived their lives according to rules they were told that Santa Claus wrote (or inspired his elves to write) in a book. And the rules in this book were used to occasionally restrict human rights or police people's morality or threaten people with an afterlife spent in the desert if they did not confess that Santa Claus was the only person who made Christmas special.

None of them had literally seen Santa Claus. Just imitations of him at malls and the likes.

But they were all sure that he existed because they had "experienced" Santa Claus.

Now, imagine you could see through all the brouhaha. Wouldn't you think you owed it to people to tell them that Santa Claus didn't exist and why? Wouldn't you think you owed it to them to explain the improbability of flying all around the world in one night... on a flying sleigh... and flying reindeers without wings (not that reindeers are supposed to have wings)

Wouldn't you feel upset when they ask you something as incredulous as, "prove that sleighs cannot fly" or "prove that Santa Claus does not exist".

Would a decision to keep stating to people that Santa Claus doesn't exist and why mean that you actually believe in Santa?

by Nwobodo Fortune Chukwuemeka
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 6:29pm On Mar 05, 2017
I like this Rohr guy... something tells me he will be our greatest coach ever. He's so dedicated to his duties.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 8:10am On Mar 05, 2017
tbaba1234:
Osimhen is in the first team of Wolfburg, Do you think Adi can make the first team of Wolfburg? Same argument against some home based strikers, would they make Wolfburg first team?

Wolfsburg have three strikers in their first team

Mario Gomez
Borja Mayor
Victor Osimhen

Osimhen is just coming back from injury and will get his chances this season.
You proved my point with the bolded. Why do you want a player that is just coming from injury? Why do you want a player that has not gotten his chances?

It's not good logic to say Adi would not make the first team of Wolfsburg when Osimhen has not made it either. But then use the same criterion to justify Victor's call-up.

Life is about opportunities. If Victor didn't go to the U17, he would still be in an obscure academy in Nigeria. That he was lucky does not mean he is better than the home-based players. If these same players I am starting to watch in the NPFL get the same opportunities, they would blow in European teams. You and I know Nwobodo, but he's still in Nigeria despite all his potential. Does it mean Silvester Igboun is better than him?

I don't like to hear it when people imply that local players can't shine the shoes of their foreign counterparts because they have not left the shores of the Nigeria. It's just untrue.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 10:01pm On Mar 04, 2017
edi287:
Osimhen is a young prospect being groomed. We already have experienced players. If you're complaining of him being called, you should be calling Kayode who's played and scored in the europa league and has been doing well and not Adi. There's nothing to see with Adi
Here is the article...I believe this was discussed on here sometime ago http://owngoalnigeria.com/2016/03/30/eagles-coaches-regret-dropping-home-base-players-for-adi-and-samuel/
The same article quoted unnamed local coaches saying Aaron Samuel could not perform basic drills for strikers. You believe that? The same Aaron we know?

So why did you ask us to invite Aaron when the article says both of them were terrible in training?
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 9:01pm On Mar 04, 2017
edi287:
Adi is not better than Nacho, Ighalo, Ideye, Kayode heck even Aaron Samuel. This is the same Adi who was invited against Egypt and didn't even make the matchday squad because he was horrible at training. Adi is just decent at best. I stand by that.
He was horrible, says who? What's your source?

I can see all the people you listed but that's you changing the goal post. What brought about this discussion is if it makes sense to call up Osimhen, who has not played a professional game, instead of a top scorer in MLS? All these other names you're calling, I've never argued for them not to be called instead of Osimhen at this time, so you can't drag me into that debate.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 8:24pm On Mar 04, 2017
edi287:
MLS. He's scoring in the MLS. Nothing special.
Oh please. You kept quiet when players from backward leagues like South Africa, Bosnia and Cyrus are invited but you think MLS is not deserving. You believe a player who has not tasted professional league action is more deserving than one of MLS top scorers? Even Brazil has invited players from MLS before. Mexico, US, Uruguay, Columbia have got players in the league that Adi outperforms.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 7:56pm On Mar 04, 2017
edi287:
Nope he isn't. I've watched him and he isn't that great. I'd rather invite Kayode instead.
Where did you watch him? Dude is scoring goals and lifting his team week in week out.

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