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 Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 11:19am On Apr 25, 2016 |
Tritri:[b]What do you mean by 'so many years'? Long Island Medium which brought her into fame has only been around since 2011. So why do you think 5 years is 'so many years'? I guess you're new to these things. There is a certain Uri Geller who has been famous since the 1970s. His length of years does not make him any more than a charlattan. Anyone with a lil skill in critical reasoning will know TB Joshua is also a fraud. Tell me, how come he couldn't predict the collapse of his own church building, and even better, prevent it? What about his indictment in the #PanamaPapers, why was he unable to see ahead and stop the leakage of the documents? That's to be overlooked, huh? Look closely at his prophecies and you will realize that they are so generalistic that almost anything could happen and he would still claim them as his prophecies. Take a look at his recent prophecy that something catastrophic would happen in Nigeria and Ghana. Notice he gave nothing specific. He gave no timeframe. He described no actual situation. He's a fraud together with Pastors like Oyakhilome, Adeboye and Oyedepo. They feed on the gullibility of the uneducated masses who have been drenched in superstitions for hundreds of years. True, there are unexplainable things in our universe that we cannot explain. But that's just what they are: Unexplained. That they are unexplainable is not enough for anyone to pull the god-of-the-gap on us. Look around you, how many of the things around you were we unable to explain 500 years ago such that most people had to pull divinity into them? That should teach you something about not giving up on humanity's ability to resolve mysteries. [/b] 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 8:06am On Apr 25, 2016 |
Tritri:[b]Hey bro! Theresa Caputo is a fraud! Of course alot of people already know this. This is a woman who sends staff members to interview audience members in advance in order to be able to pretend that she acquires knowledge from communicating with the deceased. Several private investigators have found her out. One of them found out that she uses social media to learn details about people in the audience and relay information gained as if it came from the spirit world. Check out these links in your spare time - 'She’s a vulture preying on the most vulnerable': Long Island Medium Theresa Caputo is branded a ‘fake’ by private investigator http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2653374/A-vulture-preying-vulnerable-Long-Island-Medium-Theresa-Caputo-flouts-negative-claims-shes-fake.html - Reality Star Theresa Caputo Subject Of Fraud Investigation http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/06/long-island-medium-theresa-caputo-fraud-investigation-audience-complaints/ - The Long Island Medium – Can She Really Communicate with the Dead? http://www.insideedition.com/investigative/5331-the-long-island-medium-can-she-really-communicate-with-the-dead - The ‘Medium’ Is Not the Messenger http://www.wired.com/2012/04/opinion_randilimedium0409/ D. J. Grothe and James Randi are two well-known former magicians who have called her out having researched her methods extensively.[/b] |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 5:15pm On Apr 24, 2016 |
spacyzuma, saw your diary, mate, after I got notified that you shared one of my posts here. Interesting thoughts. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 3:01pm On Apr 24, 2016 |
WHY CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND? When people claim to have knowledge you don't have; when they cannot explain how they acquired that knowledge or how you could acquire it but assure you it is beyond you because you don't have the necessary openness, spirituality, discernment or [add any other deficit here]... When this happens, you can be sure you are talking to someone for whom reason is a long-lost friend. These are the arguments used by people who sincerely believe they are Elvis Presley or are being watched by aliens... or by those who think they have daily conversations with a long-deceased, Middle-Eastern rabbi. Walk away or call a doctor. You probably can't help them. 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 2:41pm On Apr 23, 2016 |
Fair enough. Now I know where you stand. I don't begrudge you. |
| Sports › Re: All The News About The Olympic Eagles (U-23) HERE! by joseph1013(op): 2:23pm On Apr 23, 2016 |
Scores his second goal of the game. 3 Likes |
| Sports › Re: All The News About The Olympic Eagles (U-23) HERE! by joseph1013(op): 2:10pm On Apr 23, 2016 |
Kelechi scores for Man City to make it 3-0. He was brought down for the penalty Aguero scored as well. 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 1:43pm On Apr 23, 2016 |
holamiday:Excellent! What if these words below Let's imagine evidence was uncovered that showed, without a shadow of doubt, that God was invented by the ancient Hebrews. Let's imagine this evidence was so clear and incontrovertible, that you had no choice but to accept God is a fabrication.were replaced by Let's imagine evidence was uncovered that showed, without a shadow of doubt, that God and the infinite intelligence you are so enamored with was invented only by your personal unique thought processes about life. Let's imagine this evidence was so clear and incontrovertible, that you had no choice but to accept God is a fabrication.Which of the options would you choose? |
| Investment › Re: Nigerian Stocks To Buy - 2025 Best Performing Stocks by joseph1013: 9:07am On Apr 23, 2016 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 8:08am On Apr 23, 2016*. Modified: 8:36am On Apr 23, 2016 |
[b]DEAR BELIEVER, ARE YOU FOOLING YOURSELF? Here's a thought experiment for believers who are convinced that God MUST exist because God explains how the universe came to exist and the various processes in the universe including gravity which makes water flow downhill, turning of seeds into giant trees under the right conditions, various excellent workings of the human body as well as the mechanism with which the human egg and sperm combine to form a most tangible human baby. Let's imagine evidence was uncovered that showed, without a shadow of doubt, that God was invented by the ancient Hebrews. Let's imagine this evidence was so clear and incontrovertible, that you had no choice but to accept God is a fabrication. Be honest with yourself; would you: 1. Start studying other gods in the hope of finding the god responsible for the universe and the various processes I described above? 2. Stop believing in all gods? 3. Continue to believe in God? One of these options shows you are sincere when you tell us you believe in God because of the evidence of the universe--the others show you are insincere and lying to us and, possibly, to yourself as well. Honest believers can only pick option (1). Give it some thought...[/b] 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 9:18pm On Apr 22, 2016 |
holamiday:You got a sense of humor. I like that. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is The Most Convincin unBeliever In This Section? by joseph1013: 9:10pm On Apr 22, 2016 |
[b]Ah...I'm in the company of great minds here. I loved Frosbel as a religionist. He was brilliant. With time, he became honest with himself and was torn between the two lines. During his last days here, he leaned more towards the atheist side and became a nightmare to believers. Sadly, he has deactivated his moniker. I miss him. There was this guy I could no longer remember. Longtimers here would remember a guy that was always debating frosbel those days. He was really good with logic. He also deactivated his moniker, I think. Right now, johnydon22 is the man. He's rightly (about) the most loved guy here. He blows my mind with his method of breaking things down. He's very convincing My favourite guy is PastorAIO. Dude would be a great chess player if he majored in it. Coolheaded. He has a way of making you acknowledge your delusions yourself without saying too much. "If I see farther than others, it's because I stand on the shoulders of giants." Much love, OP.[/b] 8 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 7:54pm On Apr 22, 2016 |
holamiday:The bolded renders your entire rant meaningless. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 4:22pm On Apr 22, 2016 |
Krystalluv:Skepticism on the basis of lack of evidence is a good thing. Those who say otherwise almost always have an agenda. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 7:50am On Apr 22, 2016 |
BELIEVING THE IMPOSSIBLE? People say God is not material, he is spirit. In fact, people believe there are many spirit beings inhabiting a vast supernatural realm. Spirit beings are made of nothing yet have desires, intentions, intelligence and can do things in the material realm from moving physical things to making their voices audible inside a person's brain. Humans have debated whether or not God exists for thousands of years but, I think there is another important question. How do we know spirit beings are even a possibility? If you believe in such things, how do you know it is POSSIBLE for such things to exist? 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 9:06am On Apr 20, 2016 |
SO SMART YET SO STUPID We are in the 21st century. We have walked on the moon and sent machines to roam the surface of Mars. Our telescopes can see back to the dawn of the universe and we have broken apart atoms to see what's inside. We have viewed our planet from space and we can travel around it in a day. Yet still billions of us worship an Iron Age god who demands blood sacrifices, hates gay people and thinks women are property. How can we be so smart, and so stupid? 12 Likes 6 Shares |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 3:57pm On Apr 17, 2016*. Modified: 4:56pm On Apr 17, 2016 |
[b]RELIGIOUS COERCION IN PUBLIC TRANSPORT I boarded this bus a while ago, sat in the front seat, beside a woman sandwiched between me and the driver. Just before departure, one passenger sitting at the rear seats begins to chant the usual prayers and Christian songs. Armed with earphones and a wide variety of songs in my phone, it was easy for me to shut off the distraction. A few seconds before my head begins to nod to the melody of music in my ears, I hear the driver tell the woman sitting between us to cover her hair, and she dutifully did. I caught the driver with the corner of my eyes, surreptitiously staring and stealing glances at me. I'm sure he was shocked and too dazed to throw an insolent remark in my direction. I have to always ask myself why people make it their ultimate goal in life, to coerce others into following their own religious dictates and moral values. When I was younger, I used to encounter preachers who would refuse to go on with their private prayers in public transportation, until the dissidents stopped talking or complied with pre-prayer procedures. Nowadays, many are getting used to the idea that some folks don't give a damn about their religious chants and screams. I imagine myself in a bus with a real dissident who counters by playing a pornographic film with speakers, and seeing the shocks on the faces of the religious zealots and phariseees. What I can't predict is the lynching that might follow, for only a thin line separates the fanatics from Boko Haram.[/b] 5 Likes 2 Shares |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 10:28am On Apr 17, 2016 |
[b]QUESTIONS ABOUT THE RESURRECTION STORY Can we ask some very simple questions? Note: This is for those who have read their Bibles very well. If you're wondering if some of the things I'm saying are in the Bible, please this is not for you. 1. When Jesus arose from the dead, what was his nature: a ghost or a physical body? Using biblical accounts, he zoomed through the wall — that could never been a fleshly body. He suddenly appeared to a certain duo of disciples — again, that must have been a ghost. But Thomas touched his hands — that could never be a ghost: he was a physical body. He had a meal with the disciples — that must have been a fleshly body as spirits don't eat physical meals. I can go on and on but you sure get my drift. What was the nature of the risen Jesus: ghost or flesh? 2. He was buried without any garments. He perhaps was just covered in some drapes but not garments. But when he arose from the dead, he went about showing himself to people. He wasn't going around naked neither was he going around in the drapes. So where did he get the garments from? Note: If you answered 'ghost' to the previous question, you're automatically excused from this one. 3. The Bible records that immediately after Jesus died, the tombs were opened and the saints who have been buried for thousands of years came out and appeared to people. How did the people recognize them? I can't recognize my great grandfather that died just 70 years ago. How did those people know that the walking corpses were the saints? And once again, where did those risen bodies get garments from? 4. If he could appear and disappear and pass through walls, he could have quickly appeared to one or two witnesses in Africa and other parts of the world. But why did the resurrected body remain in Galilee, only for the story to be told to Africans by Christian slave masters more than a thousand of years later? 5. Was Jesus crucified or impaled? 6. Between the period he gave up the spirit on the cross and when his spirit returned on the resurrection day, where was his spirit? Bible scholars say his spirit went to hell to preach to the spirits there. Did he spend the whole 3 days in hell or did he spend some of the time with his father? 7. God had already purposed that Jesus would be killed and that he would be betrayed before being killed. So why was Judas scapegoated for simply contributing to the predetermined will of God? 8. And when he ascended into the skies, what happened to his garment? Pulverized? Or removed, folded and kept neatly in a ward robe in the heavens to be worn again when he's returning in the second coming? 9. Jesus invited Thomas to touch his wounds to prove that it was he. In another passage, he warned them not to touch him because he was not yet ascended to the father. Which is it? It's clear that most Christians don't think about these questions. [/b] 3 Likes 2 Shares |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 7:42am On Apr 17, 2016 |
[b]THE STORY OF GOD God had no beginning. He was always there. He is maximally intelligent. We don't exactly know what this means but let's say his IQ is a few billion compared to our average IQ of 100. And he was alone. Definitely. We are told he is the ONLY real god--all the others are human inventions. So he had no friends, no wives, no one to talk to, nothing to do, no TV, no nothing. He didn't even have day and night. As far as we know, he spent infinity in the dark and terrible cold all alone. But he must have been happy, because he is perfect. At some point he tired of being alone and decided to make some friends to love. He made an unimaginably huge universe and then made trillions of solar systems and in one he placed a tiny (and rather dangerous) planet for his friends to live on. He looked at his creation and thought it was good. With preparations done, he created his new friends. Now, you might think he would have made them as intelligent as himself. That would have allowed for interesting late night conversations. He could even play games with them and not always win. But he didn't. He made his friends pitifully weak; very, very tiny, belligerent, argumentative and very, very, very stupid (compared to himself). Well, they say God works in mysterious ways but this was like a lonely human being making bacteria for company. Unsurprisingly, it didn't work out too well. He was careful to provide each human with a dedicated comms channel, so he could talk to each one directly. Yet, still many of them didn't love him back, some didn't even believe he existed! He wanted them to follow his rules of behaviour but most of them ignored him. They even invented their own gods, and some actually masturbated! (He should have made their arms shorter!) Finally, he was so exasperated with his friends that he decided to kill them all. What else could he do? He truly loved them but they ignored him. He just left one family alive whom he thought would behave better. I suppose we could call this supernatural selection! Well, to cut a long story short, it still didn't work out. Humans continued to do their own thing; some of them pretended to love him, some of them loved other gods and hardly any of them would stone their unruly sons to death. God was at his wits end. So he thought and he thought (with an IQ of several billion, that's a heck of a lot of thought) and came up with his master plan. He would come to Earth as a human and have the locals kill him as a sacrifice to himself. Then he would be able to forgive all past, present and future human sin; obviously. What could possibly go wrong? Of course, it is possible that this story is not true. We can either believe that the immensely powerful being with a several billion IQ did all this, or we can believe the whole story was invented by tiny, tiny beings who are very, very, very stupid (compared to God). I don't know. What do you think?[/b] 9 Likes 5 Shares |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 7:29am On Apr 17, 2016 |
johnydon22:Agreed. The dangers of revealed religions are well documented. The false confidence it gives its adherents could lead to disastrous endings. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 9:52am On Apr 16, 2016 |
CltrAltDelicious:Thanks boss! 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 9:35am On Apr 16, 2016 |
[b]SYRIA, ISLAMIC STATE AND THE BIBLE Just seeing the news that last month, US Secretary of State, John Kerry said IS (Daesh) was "genocidal by self proclamation, by ideology and by actions". He said this Islamic group had committed genocide against Yazidis, Christians and Shia Muslims. Attacks against Yazidis included (just like Boko Haram) the execution of hundreds of men and boys and enslavement of hundreds of women and girls. The women and girls were sold as slaves or forced to "marry" IS fighters, which is the Islamic way of saying they were forcibly used for sex--they were raped. There cannot be many people, regardless of religion, who are not deeply horrified by this systematic brutality. But Christians would do well to remember Numbers 31. In this Bible chapter, God ordered Moses to punish the Midianites. The Israelites attacked the Midianites as commanded, killed all the men and brought all the women and children back to their camp. But, in verses 17-18, Moses was angry that they had failed to killed everyone, so he ordered all the married women and boy children to be slaughtered but the virgin girls to be kept for the men. According the the Bible, God ordered the 32,000 virgins to be shared among the soldiers and other men. Thirty two virgins were sacrificed to God. Fortunately, there is no reason to believe this story is true but, if you believe it, ask yourself what exactly is the difference between the behaviour of God and the behaviour of IS? Remember that question next time you get on your knees to pray. ........... Numbers 31:17-18 17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.[/b] 2 Likes |
| Sports › Re: All The News About The Olympic Eagles (U-23) HERE! by joseph1013(op): 4:53pm On Apr 14, 2016 |
This is a very favourable draw. Siasia knows how to navigate these sort of groups. Great! 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 3:44pm On Apr 14, 2016 |
[b]GOD DID THIS AND GOD DID THAT Billions of people believe in God because they believe God did something. That something may have been as extraordinary as creating the universe from nothing; as complex as creating humans; as caring as healing a sick child, or as helpful as finding a parking space in a crowded lot. But did these people SEE God do these things? Did God explain HOW he did what he did? Were there any witnesses? Did God leave any evidence that unequivocally tied him to these acts? Of course, the answer to all these questions is always the same. It is always NO. There is never anything at all that links God to the event. Even if you prayed for something to happen and it happened, that does not mean God made it happen--there are always other possible explanations. Even if you can't think of an explanation, there may be an explanation that you are unaware of. So when you think God did something, you have only an hypothesis, and no sensible person believes an hypothesis until it is shown to be true. But that hypothesis has never, ever been shown to be true, which is why I don't believe God did anything at all. And neither should you.[/b] 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 3:55am On Apr 13, 2016 |
holamiday:LOL. The word Probability offends the religious, but it's completely legitimate. I swear, a study of the concept of Probability will change how you view life and will easily make you be able to single out charlatans. Why not digest that lengthy response first and see how the very short explanation I gave under Probability. So you see, you're the one who still has some knowledge to acquire. 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 9:06pm On Apr 12, 2016 |
urahara:Boss...I remain loyal. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 8:30pm On Apr 12, 2016 |
holamiday:I already answered in my response you've not digested. - From whence do circumstances (which are beyond control) in a man's life come from? Where are they designed? + Probability and Confirmation bias - How do I choose my experiences? + See Steps 1-6 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 7:33pm On Apr 12, 2016 |
holamiday:[b] Let me take my time to give you my thoughts on The Law of Attraction and why it is a truckload of rubbish. The Law of Attraction is taught in many different ways and many teachers have their own "spin" on what the term means. The basic gist, though, is the same from teacher to teacher and it's basically this claim: that you can control external events, people and conditions by simply focusing your thoughts on a desired outcome. I used to have many books in my library on "law of attraction" and three examples that appear regularly in these books are: 1. Traffic lights. The idea is that, if you focus your thoughts correctly and you manage your "vibration" with the Universe, then you can actually "manifest" green lights with surprising regularity. 2. Parking spaces. By focusing your thoughts and feelings on feeling good and appreciative of a nice parking space right next to the entrance.....supposedly you will "manifest" empty parking spaces where you want them. 3. Unexpected connections. More accidental than on-purpose, this example refers to those incidents where you think of someone that you haven't thought of in years and then you get a communication from that person. We can go on and on but the basic question here is simply this: is there any reason to think that these things are happening because someone is controlling the Universe with their thoughts? And the answer is "no". And here's why: Two factors that contribute to the illusion that one can "control the Universe" by the way they think are: 1. The average person's ignorance of the laws of probability 2. Confirmation bias The average person has no real grasp of probability and how amazing it is. We can demonstrate this with a simple question: Which of the following options is more likely in ten tosses of a coin? A. H T H H T T H T T H B. H H H H H H H H H H The answer is "neither". One is just as likely as the other one. The only reason it appears to be less likely is because of something called the Gambler's Fallacy: it's the logical trap of thinking that a coin is "due" to come up tails. But a coin has no memory. Every time you flip a coin, it's a 50/50 chance. Or, consider something that has a 1 in ONE MILLION chance of occurring. Sounds pretty rare, doesn't it? Until you realize that could happen 200 times today in the Nigeria alone. Or over 7,000 times worldwide. Probability is an infinitely powerful concept. Given enough time and enough events, lots of things can "line up" so that it appears that the cause must be something supernatural......but it's perfectly natural. The other factor is called "Confirmation Bias". Confirmation bias also plays a huge role. This is simply the tendency for people to notice/amplify when things DO happen and ignore/minimize when they don't. For instance, have you ever had this happen? You're in the shower and you think of someone you haven't thought of in a long time.....and then you get a phone call or email from them the same day? You've probably had that experience. They're noticeable. But, how many times have you thought of someone you haven't thought of in a long time....and they did NOT contact you that same day? Answer: thousands. It happens all the time. But we don't notice. That's confirmation bias. We ignore when it doesn't happen and we notice when it does. And then we attach some type of meaning to that incident even though it's purely coincidence. That's how the law of attraction REALLY works. You do not control the Universe with your thoughts. You do not "manifest" events in your reality through mystical process. You cannot sit on your couch and think positively about money all day long and have it magically fall into your bank account. If people want to know "The Secret", it's not on a DVD. It's simply this: 1. Set a goal 2. Create a plan for achieving it 3. Take action with persistence, consistency and determination 4. While you're taking action, increase your knowledge and keep your eyes open for opportunities. 4. Check your results 5. Make corrections as needed 6. Repeat Steps 3-6 until you reach your goal That is how every successful person in the world has achieved their results. No mysticism required.[/b] 8 Likes 2 Shares |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 7:04pm On Apr 12, 2016 |
holamiday:[b]Saying you hold unto the Bible because it contains a whole lot of wisdom is the same as a Lord of the Ring fan saying he holds unto the JRR Tolkien's books. They contain alot of wisdom too. If that can be said about the two books, then they are no different to the thousands of books written over the years. The truth is that the Bible does not contain extraordinary truth. Take for example, the Golden Rule which is perhaps the best the Bible has to offer, versions and variants of it have been in existence thousands of years before the Bible was written. From China to India to the core African societies, they have been principles adhered to by humans for survival. Talking about Faith, it's obvious you're not vast in the Bible. If you are, you will realize that Hebrews 11:1 from whence that statement was plucked has a context. Let me give you some of the rest verses. 1. Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. This is what the ancients were commended for. 2. By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible. 3. By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead. 4. By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death... Can you see how what the Bible is referring to is totally different from you having a mental picture of what you want and having the belief in yourself that you can make it happen?[/b] 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 5:58pm On Apr 12, 2016 |
holamiday:[b]The arguments and explanations put forward in The Secret are generally unscientific, mystical, nonsensical and just plain wrong. First, what is The Law of Attraction (TLoA)? Let’s say you’re poor and really want to be rich. Instead of always complaining about being poor and always focusing on what you don’t have, TLoA says that you should visualize yourself as rich. See yourself in this situation. Feel what you would feel if you were in that situation. Then, somehow, money will come to you. Simply stated, it is the belief that what you focus on is what you get (or create for yourself), and there is some truth to that – but not for any of the mystical reasons claimed in the terrible movie and book. These are my major beefs with The Secret: 1: The movie claims that famous people knew “the secret” The movie indicates that a number of famous people knew “the secret”, including Einstein, Plato, Newton and Edison. However, the movie offers no proof that any of these people knew of, agreed with or used the law of attraction. 2: The movie claims that TLoA is kept secret The movie also claims that the people in power in society and business have long known of this law and worked to keep it from the rest of us. Scenes are shown of people being persecuted for trying to steal the secret and (I assume) bring it out to the rest of us. No proof of this is offered and to the best of my knowledge, no conscious effort has ever been made to keep TLoA secret. 3: The movie talks about electromagnetic waves/vibrations as the explanation for TLoA The movie claims that since thoughts are electromagnetic waves, every thought we have spreads to and affects our surroundings, and this is why our thinking affects the universe. The movie repeatedly shows people who, as they visualize their goals, generate a wave or signal that emanates from their heads. In some of the cases, this wave is seen to spread over the entire Earth. There are many things wrong with this assertion, primarily the fact that while thoughts are, at least in part, electromagnetic waves, there is no scientific indication that our brain waves alter the world around us in any meaningful way. 4: The movie claims that the universe will provide. But my greatest beef with the movie is the claim that whatever you sit down and imagine in this way, the universe will provide. Almost as if the universe is a big vending machine: Insert sincere wish here, pull out cold coke (or shiny new Ferrari) here. That seems to me to be a very mechanical, shallow, self-serving description of the universe. This is my point: Changing your thinking changes nothing out there, in the vast universe surrounding you. It changes something inside of you. Changing your perception, your focus, your emotions and your thinking from negative to positive (from what you lack to what you want) has an enormous effect on your motivation, energy and creativity and that’s why you will then be more efficient working towards your goals. It’s that simple. No electromagnetic waves emanate from your head, magically transforming the universe. No mystical vibrations affect your surroundings. Changing your thinking does not change the quantum states of objects around you in any reliable, useful way. The universe doesn’t stand ready to grant your every wish. Rather, you change yourself and THEN you change your circumstances. It works through a combination of entirely non-mystical, psychological and rational mechanisms, including confirmation bias , positive thinking and optimism. The Secret offers precisely zero evidence that it could ever be otherwise, and instead proposes a number of mystical, unscientific and entirely unproved explanations. [/b] 3 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 10:33am On Apr 12, 2016 |
holamiday:[b]I loved that book. I got knowledge of it via The Secret. Years later, I got to realize that The Secret (book and movie) is a fraud. I could give you reasons why it is so, but now is not the time. Back to that book, as usual we extrapolate from things the things we want to extrapolate. The book is not based on having faith, it is based on having a positive attitude to life. Here are a few outstanding quotes in the book: "Visualize this thing you want. See it, feel it, believe in it. Make your mental blueprint and begin." "Success is the sum of small efforts, repeated day in and day out." "Your chances of success in any undertaking can always be measured by your belief in yourself." "All power is from within and therefore under our control." "If you don't make things happen then things will happen to you." "There is nothing on earth that you cannot have once you have mentally accepted the fact that you can have it." "You are today the result of your thoughts of yesterday, and the many yesterdays preceeding it. You are forming today the mold for what you will be in the years to come." "I shall pass through this world but once. Any good, therefore, that I can do Or any kindness that I can show To any human being Let me do it now. Let me Not defer it or neglect it for I shall not pass this way again." If the concept of believing in oneself is your idea of faith, then we are saying the same thing in different ways. However, that's not the way religious people use the word Faith. Their concept of Faith is believing in what has not been proven as fact. Now, that's not a virtue. The turnaround from being a Christian to being someone who speaks against the ills of religion has to do with simple common sense. Really, there is no easier way to tell someone that all they have devoted their lives to is a lie. It's not pretty, and unless you're insincere with yourself, it's almost impossible to accept that most of my thoughts and questions in this page are valid without reexamining all you have ever been taught since childhood. In the religious sense of it, Faith is more harmful than good. [/b] 3 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 3:30pm On Apr 11, 2016 |
THE APOSTATE'S PRAYER Oh logic, which art forever. Hallowed be thy name. Thy time will come. Thou will overcome on earth, as thou should everywhere. Give us this day a clear head, and forgive us begging the question, as we forgive those who equivocate against us. Lead us not into circular reasoning, but deliver us from delusion. For thou brings us wisdom, and good sense and tolerance, for ever and ever. Amen. 5 Likes 2 Shares |
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