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childofaking weldone, lovely write up, good answers, keep it up. God's got you.

what is the difference between homosexuality and fornication/adultery before God?

1 John 3:8b "for this purpose the son of God was manifested that he may destroy the works of the devil."

This rubbish is getting out of hand. What sort of senseless and crazy mentality do this people possess? God help Nigeria even as we help ourself in 2019. #dontjustgetangrygetapvc

3nim:
I think you've defeated me lol. Because I don't think I can do this anymore

I didn't need Bible scriptures because you already knew the general stories.

God's ominiscience is subjective... you're saying he's not completely ominiscient.
Hands off till the choice is made. No problem. I can agree. but he already knows a person who Will make the wrong choice and is just patiently waiting for the person to make that wrong choice?

Not true. What about those who make the right choice and the wrong choice and the right choice again? or vice versa? God creates man, forms a path for the man to follow and leaves the man with the choice to follow or not to follow.

for peace sake, this man should not die

After reading some of the comments here, even from some christians, I can only say that ignorance is a disease.

number 8 & 10 na scam.

Guyman02:
His brother General John Enenche who I was told is a pastor in the church justified the brutal murder of Igbo youths in Abia State under operation python dance as Army spokesman, meanwhile Igbos form the bulk of worshippers in his church.
This is Part of the reasons that Nnamdi Kanu was abusing Igbos donating to building churches belonging to other people while churches which brought education and healthcare in their communities and towns in the past have dillapidated and their pastors or priests starving and poor

General John Enenche is NOT a Dunamis Pastor Sir, whoever told you kinda lied to you. I should know cos, I am a Dunamite.

Ubenedictus:
if you want to understand what an elect salvation means please start reading my Post about Calvin

send the link

3nim:
I never claimed to get my points from the Bible

First, is the word "ominiscient". It means "all knowing". You agreed that God knows everything.
You really don't need to come into my head to understand.
I don't need the Bible to make my point.


You say "no"?

If God doesn't know that, then he is not ominiscient.

Is he ominiscient? Yes?

Then you're wrong by saying"no". In your statement above.

not your points, your references like Job, Adam, Eve etc which helped you make your points. I have answered this before God's omniscience is subjective as pertaining to the human will, even His omnipotence is also subjective to man's will at times. When it comes to man, God creates and hands off until the choice is made.

3nim:
Not intentionally!



He wants everyone in heaven but he knows that some people will go to hell.

He knows who will choose wrong even before he. Has made that person. So why doesn't who choose to NOT create that person that would go to hell...so that the person won't make the wrong choice and suffer for it?

you're contradicting yourself there. If He knows and still goes ahead to create such a person, that sounds intentional to me. He keeps creating because He knows that for every new child born a possibility of one more soul in heaven is made.

3nim:
True and upright but able to make the wrong choices, sin and go to hell?

that is where the freewill comes into play, I gave you the concluding part of that scripture, but for emphasis lemme give you again. "....we are the ones who have messed things up" Eccl 7:29

Ubenedictus:
thank God and thank you

it is very rare today to find anyone who would do research on a matter he is arguing about... I have encountered cases instead where people argued ad infinitum until they almost reached insults.

definitely not me, you did well.

3nim:
I understand your points. But I've really tried to make you understand mine the way I do.

That you may not be able to do, I don't think I can understand your points THE WAY YOU DO. Your points are inferred from the bible without any explicit back up from the same bible. You say God knows if a person is going to hell or heaven while creating that person, I say no. He creates a person and the person chooses hell or heaven personally. And I backed mine with scriptures too. Your points are in your head not the bible you are referencing and I will have to get in your head or start thinking like you to understand your points THE WAY YOU DO.

3nim:
You actually can imagine it because I can, and I am not greater than you.

Your imagination is running wild dear. You chose to imagine that about God, but I can't because the same God has told me He creates men and women true and upright. It is therefore futile to imagine something I have seen and know already.

3nim, I get your point: God creates some people to go to hell and others to go to heaven right?

3nim:
I thought nothing is impossible for God.
Or do you not agree with that statement?

Exactly, that is why He chose to stop "dragging" with man. He is all powerful and He can choose to exercise His power or not. And concerning man, He has said "my Spirit shall not strive with man" Genesis 6:3. Strive means to struggle, so now He makes man and leaves him to make his own choices.

3nim:
He knows they will choose that even before he creates them. Just imagine God in the process of creating a person that will go to hell. Someone who hasn't even started life but God, the ominiscient, already knows the person will be condemned

I can't imagine that, because it is impossible according to Eccl 7:29 & John 3:16, God created you and I true and upright and whoever believes in Jesus will be saved. That simply shows that nobody is created for hell.

Ubenedictus:
my oga so why you just allow me dey sweat for nothing?

heee!

it wasn't in vain at all, your points made me go and do some mini studies and now I agree with you.

3nim:
I really believe you already understand my point.

God already knows who's going to hell cuz he already knows everyone's choice. He's ominiscient and is just waiting for the people he knows will go to hell to end up there.

Of course I understand your point but don't mistake that with agreeing with your point. I totally and absolutely disagree with the point you're making. You made reference of Job being made pure by God, but that is not true. Job must have grown himself to a position where God trusted him, he was not made like that, he chose to be that way. Since you're making your references from the bible, I put it to you that there is no scripture to back up your claim of God creating some people for heaven and others for damnation.

3nim:
How am I proof of that?

Condemned people AKA the damned reside in hell....they put themselves there with their sins, according to popular Christian belief. The ominiscient God already knew this would happen before he created these people. He already knew that they'd be condemned.

If they end up in heaven though, that makes God wrong. You understand this.

Of course people will be condemned as a result of their choice, God did not create anybody to go to hell, God wants EVERYBODY to be with Him in heaven. That is His will, hell is not God's will for anybody but people will still choose that.

For one to be saved, he must believe voluntarily and confess same belief in Jesus. Is it possible to lose salvation? Yes, and I will give real life instances and biblical back up. I know a lady who got born again in CE and later joined my church; powerful singer. But she married a muslim, today she is a muslim. This once burning brand has been plucked from the fire & if she dies as she is, no heaven. As a christian, getting born again is the beginning of grace, making sure that grace is not in vain(1 Cor 15:10) is another thing. God has given us grace abundantly, we are not to frustrate it, but put it to work. Yes, you can lose your salvation if you let your guard down. Peter said "for if after they have escaped the pollution of the world through the... Lord & Saviour Jesus Christ, they become entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse... than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known...righteousness, than...to turn from the holy commandment." 2 Peter 20-21. #wewontfailGod

3nim:
In other words, God does NOT know everything?

He does but your choice is left to you to make.

3nim:
He is very able to change things then. I already thought of a way. I'm sure he can think of 10.
Or does this have something to do with justice being served?
Burning in hell forever is a good punishment?

If he used my way...and only let the not-condemned live,then there'd be no more people going to hell. But he could have better ideas.

there is nothing like the not condemned "for God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son that WHOSOEVER believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." Everybody has an equal chance of making heaven. Whoever believes in Jesus is saved. Nobody is born a Christian, you must choose to believe. "The grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men......" Titus 2:11. Nobody has a better shot at salvation, and unfortunately, you actually are a proof of that.

3nim:
Joshnes, you haven't been understanding. If we were all upright, we wouldn't make a mess of things. If the balloons were made blue, none would pop. If there were only people like Job on earth (with free will), they would never let God down.

I made the balloon analogy because I'm of the opinion that God already knows everyone's choice. So he should have chosen to leave the people who would end up in hell in inexistence by not creating Them. Then he should only create the people, who he knows will end up in heaven.
God can doing this because he can do all things and he is also good and benevolent... loving. he can think of it because I can.

Is he okay with people burning in hell forever? While he gets worshipped in heaven...

He is not okay with it at all. "The Lord is.... longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." 2 Peter 3:9

3nim:
We're actually on the same page... I think.
He knows the beginning and the end, yes.
I still say that God knows the end and those who will choose death. He knows everyone's choice. If you disagree then God would only be technically ominiscient...or not ominiscient at all.

Our choices are ultimately up to us but do you agree that God already knows everyone's end choice?

I totally disagree with that. God does not know your end choice. He knows the end of your choice. If He knows your end choice, then there is NO CHOICE. That means you are created to without a choice, I quoted Eccl 7:29 for you, and that shows God has given everybody freewill to choose. That's why He told the Israelites if you do this, you will see this, if you don't do it, you will see that. God creates you, you make your choice. He will alway suggest you choose His way.

3nim, concerning your balloon illustration please read this Ecclesiastes 7:29 (MSG) "God made men and women true and upright, we're the one who have made a mess of things." There are no red and blue balloons only blue.

3nim:
No. I'm only insinuating that I don't know your uncle's friend's daughter and I didn't know her during her ss days. I'm glad she's healed. It would be really miraculous since all the blood in her body can't just disappear and be replaced by blood with normal RBC's.

So did you know this child or do you just assume she had crisis?

errm, if I tell you I have malaria do you not know what the symptoms will be? Can someone be ss without crises? I never saw her in crisis, but she was ss.

3nim, God knows the beginning from the end of YOUR CHOICE. I will quote Deuteronomy 30:15-19 "See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; in that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgemdnts, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee... but if thou turn away... I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land... I call heaven and earth to record this day... that I have set before you life and death...therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live." Clearly this passage shows that God knows the beginning and the end, but ultimately your choice determines your end, if you choose life what follows it follows you, if you choose death, you bear the consequence, the same principle applies to all of us and applied to Adam & Eve.

3nim:
I don't call myself atheist or christian. That's why I wouldn't fight like I'm this child's mother.. but you aren't that either. I personally know someone who claimed to have died and gone to heaven. I know people who know her and attend her fellowship sessions...but I wasn't there when she died and neither were these people.

I won't ever go fight that this woman did not go to heaven, but I believe people lie, get things wrong, or could be mistaken.

so you're insinuating they got the diagnosis of the SS wrong for 10 years. All the crisis she had, a mistake too?

3nim:
Exactly what I have thought. God practically created them to sin. Is God ominiscient? That's a yes/no question I'd like you to answer....with just a "yes" or a "no"

WHY, YES.