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Do you believe Jesus existed before He came to earth? If yes, what was He in heaven?

When man begets a child, the child is a man. The same when God begets a son, He is God (John 1:1). In John 14:8-9, What Jesus said effectively was I Am the Father. Philip asked to see the Father, Jesus' reply was have I been so long with you that you don't know ME. In other words, what you're looking for is right in front of you and what was he looking for? The Father. In Phil 2:5-7, we are made to understand that Jesus had the form of God, but dropped the reputation and did not seek equality with God here on earth. For Him to drop a reputation, He must have one, which the scripture said is the "the form of God". You need to understand that here on earth, Jesus humbled Himself before God and became low, to die for you and I. This did not change His deity thereafter or therebefore, Jesus upholds everything by The Power Of His Word. The world was made by Him and without Him was not anything made that was made. Unless you are saying that God did not make the world, then Jesus is not God.

John 10:30 "I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE". John 14:8-9 "PHILIP SAITH UNTO HIM, LORD SHEW US THE FATHER, AND IT SUFFICETH US. JESUS SAID UNTO HIM, HAVE I BEEN SO LONG WITH YOU, AND YET HAST THOU NOT KNOWN ME PHILIP? HE THAT HATH SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; AND HOW SAYEST THOU THEN, SHEW US THE FATHER?" I think you should read these scripures, you don't need anybody to explain these verses to you.

The "Man" Jesus was a descendant of David, by lineage. He is also a descendant of Adam, of Abraham etc. David is used because of his signifance to God, and to Israel's royalty. Till today, he is the most reverred king in Israel. So Jesus is illustrated as king not only in heaven but on earth. Jesus is THE BRIGHT AND MORNING STAR. While Lucifer was the SON OF THE MORNING. Have you ever seen a bright star shinning in the morning? Definitely not. The description here is of one whose brightness cannot be outdone by the sun. Whose image is unfathomable and indescribable. Jesus is now the physical representation of the brightness of God's glory (Hebrews 1:3). As for your topic, don't get it twisted, there is NO comparison between Jesus and Lucifer anywhere in the bible. Lemme give you one reason: Jesus is God and Lucifer was an angel and guess who created angels? God of course.

What about this one, LIVING FAITH, oh thats 12, okay, DEEPER LIFE, oh 10, what of DUNAMIS =7. OP, I don't know what you're expecting to hear, but whatever it is, it is in your head.

Op, if I get you, you are of the opinion that christians should not be afraid of death? and to that I say a big yes. But this doesn't mean when you have a chance to save yourself from death, you shouldn't, that would amount to foolishness and/or suicide. There are people who counted their lives nothing because of the gospel. Many old apostles who refused to save themselves by denying Christ, died at the stake, were beheaded, killed by wild animals why? because they knew to die (for Christ) "....is gain" (Phil 1:21). But to just die anyhow, it is not God's will at all (Ps 91: 16).

While I believe a person cannot be saved twice, once you are saved, you are saved. But people may fall because they don't understand that God saves you, you work out your salvation through The Holy Spirit in you (Phil 2:12-13). To think the Holy Spirit will work sin in you, bro that's blasphemy. If you sin, you should be convicted, that's why you have the Spirit of God. Sin as a born again child of God should not be tolerated (1 John 3:9 ; 1:9; 2:1). It is the trivializing of sin that has brought about some of these devilish doctrines. It is not a tragedy to sin, it is more of a tragedy not to confess AND FORSAKE that sin. Besides, God has given us grace to live above sin, so anytime one feels like a sin is dominating you, run to the Throne of Grace and apply for more grace (Heb 4: 14-16). Don't let any man decieve you, don't give any place to the devil, attack that sin on time, God is rich in mercy. People who backslide do not do so in one day, gradual toleration of sin eventually leads to a free fall.

Timijo:
A true anointing does not fall people, but what it does through the carrier is to heal the broken hearted and to set the captives free. But what we see today in many of our churches is a falling anointing from the end time pastors. Many of them are wolves in sheep clothing. God's anointing brings healing and deliverance to people and not to make them fall like a rid. A true pastor with God's anointing does not need to blow air unto people or removing his suit and flinging it to the congregation as John Cena will do before fighting.

Are you saying it is not real? The fact is the power of God can be too heavy for the human body to hold, so whats the reaction? The body gives way. I have seen people fall from watching tv. The man of God cannot make anybody fall, it is the power of God. Besides falling under power is biblical. John 18: 5-6 "Jesus saith unto them, I am he.... As soon as he said unto them, I am he, they went backward and fell to the ground."

I dont think you should approach him. All these ladies be saying tell him, the truth is if a guy likes you, normally, he'd talk to you. If he talks to you and you say no, most times, he will keep on pressing. If you approach him and he says no, what will you do? Will you keep on pursuing? If he tells you no, you should be happy. There are thousands of guys who would say they like you too, only to sleep with you and brag to their friends. My advice: the info you gave is not enough to draw a conclusion as to whether he likes you or not. So you just keep doing what you're doing, be friends with him and if he does like you, he'll open up soon. He might also be falling for you unknown to him, so just let him be, if he is falling, let him fall yakata and later you'll appreciate your patience.

you should try the amplified bible, it amplifies to your understanding

Anytime is effective, we pray to God and our God is not bound by time. "Call unto me in time of trouble...".(Jer 33:3) so if your time of trouble is in the day, call, if it is in the noon, call, whenever it is, you just call. The reason people prefer the night is because it is the time with the least distractions and you will be able to concetrate better. @ Amberon11 I am sorry but you are wrong, everything is in the bible, anything that is not there, we don't need to know.

Oloruntobi4382:
So because he is god we will suffer. Doesn't that make him useless? god wey no fit heal jedijedi, that one na god?

Firstly, it is clear you don't believe in God. Secondly, God healing your jedijedi won't make Him God. He is God already, whether your jedijedi is healed or not He cannot become Godder or less-God. He is God all by Himself. Thirdly, if you are suffering in life, God has nothing to do with your suffering, wake up and take responsibility. Your suffering could be either down to terrible decisions you made or the terrible decisions of others around you. What is certain is God has given you and every man free will to chart your own destiny, use it wisely and stop blaming Him. Fourthly, if you don't believe in God, you cannot discern Him even if He is working or walking in front of you.

NPComplete:
Nonsense.

Now that he is now he now an excellent musician, don't u think it will go a long way in drawing people to God if that excellent renown blind musician suddenly gets his sights back instead of the obscure blind people, whose blindness cannot be verified, that keep getting healed in those same churches.

Keep deceiving yourself.

people like you will not get drawn to God even if Cobhams is healed in your front and it is not any fault of yours. I have answered the question of the thread, and if you don't comprehend, I am sorry there is nothing I can do for you.

The answer is simple: because He is God and His ways and thoughts are not like ours(Isa 55:. So sometimes, you can't comprehend what He is doing untill He is done. Also, He will have mercy on who He will have mercy on (Romans 9:15-16) meaning, He owes nobody no explanation for not healing someone, just as He doesn't need to explain if He does heal anybody. It is His mercy and He reserves the exclusive right to give it as He pleases. Do you know it is possible that he Cobhams, might have just been a struggling pianist if he wasn't blind. You're seeing a good pianist who is blind, God is seeing a blind man who despite his blindness is an excellent musician.

kenex4ever:
U need to do plastic surgery to d face on ur profile to have dat kinda man

NOT TRUE, LADY IS PRETTY.

Actually, they are both one and the same John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and my Father (Yahweh) are one." To your question then, He is NOT foolish at all 1Corinthians 1: 18-31, in fact, He is "......THE ONLY WISE GOD OUR SAVIOUR......" (Jude: 25).

enilove:
What do you mean by " they are one and the same"?

I mean exactly what Jesus meant when He said "I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE". They are one and the same, (see John 14: 6-11). There Philip asked ".....show us the Father...." Jesus said "have I been so long with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip?.....". Read Vs 8 & 9 well.

The difference between childhood and sonship is responsibility Gal 4:1-7. However, it is possible for someone to still be a child when God expects him to be a son. It is possible for a 30 year old christian to be a child and a 2 year old in the faith to be a son. Fervent study of the word and prayer will move a man/woman from childhood to sonship.

I think, there is a big confusion as to who Jesus was on earth and His status in heaven. Here on earth, He was a man, who had relinquished his equality with God and made Himself of no reputation (Phil 2:5-11). For someone to make Himself of no reputation, He must first have a reputation. Reputation as what? As God. He is said to be in the form of God, He was equal with God, but He set that aside to become the ultimate sacrifice. In John 10:30, Jesus made it clear, that there is no difference between Him & His Father. The big problem occurs when we try to separate Jesus from God, they are one and the same.

The scripture you quoted, the verse 1 says "obey your parents IN THE LORD". Your obedience to them as a christian should be tied to the Lord's will. And God will never force a man against his will so their forcing you to read what you don't want to read falls outside this scripture. To your question, you should pray to God to touch them and talk with them to see reasons with you. If you go ahead with their desire, you will probably regret it for the rest of your life. Pour out your heart to them and if they truly love you, they'll let you follow your passion.

akintom:
It's the foolishness of being a disciple to a deluded mind like Jesus, that's the crux of the post.

If your Jesus, will want those who wish to follow him, to sit back, and have serious and thoughtful consideration about that decision.

But will have them, in another contradicting teaching, not to give same pondering to how their needs will be provided for and sustained.

It's evident that there's no other means by which human needs can be met, except by actual thoughts and actions, directed at meeting those needs.

The talk about birds not in active search for their needs, as referred to in the following verses by your Jesus, is a stupid one. Go watch animal planet on dstv, you will see the intelligent efforts of birds, when it comes to their survival.

The rogues called pastors, will die of starvation, if Yahweh really provides.

just check the meaning of these words "think" and "worry". Your problem is the lack of a dictionary.

The prayer of forgiveness is like any other, and 1John 5:14 says "and this is the confidence we have in Him, if we ask anything in accordance with His will, He heareth us". So be confident, God has heard you, but don't go back to your vomit. There is no need to put her away, my advice to you is that you hasten up and get married, if not there is high propensity for you to fall into sin again. 1Cor 7:2.

For the Fifpro XI I wonder what Iniesta is doing there. Kante would have been a better option. The coach of the year top three, Leonardo Jardim, Monaco's coach should be there at Conte's expense

freshboi88:
I dnt Want to sound funny like u guys, if not I would have asked u were it is in d bible tht Mary died

But then u r of d opinion tht asking d dead to intercede on ones behalf is idolatry right??

I am actually quite sleepy, so if you can get to your point, I will be grateful.

freshboi88:
U c I want us to get somewerw n we r getting der....so if I ask a living person to pray for me it is okay.......mind u I can't ask an image to pray for me...I pray with a chaplet not d other way round...so to d last part...a dead person.....now Mary been the subject here.....who told u Mary is dead, were did u get tht info??

she is dead I dont need to gather the info from anywhere, a woman that lived 2 thousand years ago is dead and buried like any other mortal.

freshboi88:
On whose authority did u decide that......come back dnt run away......we dnt pray to images.....I say a pray to Mary asking for her prayers....come n enlighten me how that's worshipping her.......

you pray to God in Jesus Name. Anybody praying for you should do the same, anything other than that is idolatry. JOHN 14:16 "......NO MAN COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME" That Scripure is my authority, please show me where you are told to pray to Mary.

freshboi88:
I dnt ask dem to join me in prayer oga, I ask dem.to pray for me....the bible said pray for one another ....so if in asking someone to pray for u is worship den is it right to say we r worshipping one another??

pray for you, pray with you. They are before you, they are not images. When you ask an image, chaplet or dead person to pray for you, it is IDOLATRY. The Image.

TheArchangel:
What you do to the bangles , bracelets, aprons, handkerchiefs and all what nots, do you worship those....hell no...aint it? Same with catholics...., nobody worships the images or they would've carve the first commandment out of the bible seeing it contradicts idolatry and the facts that they compiled the whole works of the holy book.

you have told me what you don't do. You have not told me what you do with the images.

freshboi88:
But u early made reference to symbols, and ur how ur actions doesn't mean worshiping that symbol what what the symbol represent......I tot u established that fact....so y r u going back on ur own words

when you pray to it you are worshipping it, I am done.

freshboi88:
Catholics do that....so whts is ur point

my point is all these differences exist but our unity is our belief in Jesus as the only begotten Son of God which at the end of this life is the only thing that matters.

TheArchangel:
So why is it difficult to believe what the Catholics do with the images? They have said that they don't worship it and I have never seen a single catholic that said they worship images, why dont you people get that!?

what do they do with it?

freshboi88:
Does it mean we I ask my mum, dad, friends to pray for me, which is a prayer in itself to dem.....means I am worshipping them...I hope u realize how dumb that is

you ask them to join you in prayer, they are alive in your front. You dont need to build an image of them. Why will you make an image and pray to it? That is IDOLATRY sir.