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lovingJehovah:
LOL. My, oh my. Do you know what it actually means to refer to someone as being possessed?

Possess 1. own, have. 2. keep control over 3. become the owner of 4. occupy (the mind) dominate.

lovingJehovah:
Brave men own up while cowards duck. That is the saying of an old soldier.
I can send you a receipt of you saying that you are possessed by the Holy Spirit. Let us iron it out once and for all time. Are you possessed by the Holy Spirit?

Oh, I Am. He controls and dominates my human spirit.

lovingJehovah:
You are funny. We began with being possessed by the spirits and now that you see your folly you are trying to digress. Can we focus on one at a time? Keep that one pending let us focus on being possessed by the spirit. You said that you were possessed by the spirit. So I am asking how, when it is mentioned that demons are the spirits possessing. What spirit are you really possessed by? As for the other guy's question, I have taken care of it and you are not the guy to use him as a reference. Use our very own conversation as a reference and stay on it.

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lovingJehovah:
Do we need to purchase a dictionary for you? Dwell and Possess are two different words that are not even synonyms. If you dwell in my house, do you possess my house? Since Abraham dwelled in tents, was that the possession that God gave him?

I don't expect you to understand, I said my spirit is a possession of the Holy Spirit. One of the definitions of possess in the Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary is "to control or dominate something". No need to purchase a dictionary, I have got one already. The Holy Spirit controls and dominates my human spirit.

lovingJehovah:
We are not looking for synonyms. Are you insisting that you are possessed (by a spirit)?

your evasive tactics will not work tonight. Answer this; does the bible mention that the Holy Spirit dwells in man or not? Someone asked you how many Mighty Gods there are today, you didn't answer, you instead asked your own question. Answer my question and the question you're asking, I have answered already. Answer the questions you are asked and stop using subtilty and be straight forward.

lovingJehovah:
How can it be? Spirits can only be possessed by demons. The Holy Spirit is not mentioned to perform in such manner

How can it be? I have told you numerous times, the Holy Spirit dwells in me (1Cor 3:16). That is how it be.

lovingJehovah:
A knowledgeable and reasonable mind always knows how to tackle the most difficult questions. My questions are simply drawn from what you say. Read your previous comments and judge for yourself. You talk and I question for clarification

Thats another issue with you guys, you think spiritual things are of knowledge and reason. Nope, that question was out of the blue, because I never said or even suggested that all the Holy Spirit does is to discern spirits.

lovingJehovah:
You didn't attempt to answer my question. According to the Bible, evil angels are known to possess (hence they manipulate and control) while the Holy Spirit, which is the active force of Jehovah is mentioned to fill or be with.

He is also mentioned to dwell in the believer, isn't He?

lovingJehovah:
Sorry, I forgot this one. A possession is something owned. For example, the Bible says that God's people are his own possession

okay my spirit man is possessed by the Holy Spirit, my spirit is His house, his dwelling place.

Empiree so, in that article, you're saying the Israelites taking Jerusalem from Canaan was wrong, but Palestine taking it from the Israelites is right and now the Israelites trying to take it back from Palestine is now wrong? Sentiments all over that article. Try harder.

lovingJehovah:
So, the entire role of the Holy Spirit is to help you recognize evil spirits?
Where did you get the concept that our spirit is the most basic way of hearing from God after his word? Can you back that up with the Bible?

your questions sometimes portray you in a terrible light intellectually. Did I ever say that's his only role? That's not His only role. Read John 16:13-14, you will see the role of the Holy Spirit in the life of a believer. The Holy Spirit plays this role through our own spirit (Rom 8:16). It is the spirit of a man that communicates with the Holy Spirit. One of the signs of a son of God is the leading by the Spirit of God through your own human spirit.

lovingJehovah:
You do not have to recoil. I am human like you. You can easily say, 'I withdraw that statement", "my bad" or "I was wrong on that". It is more manly. I understand every word that you say so you do not need to use puerile slangs to make me understand anything. I will ask for clarification if I need one.
Therefore, do you want to admit that the Holy Spirit has not possessed anyone? Or, do you want to hold on to that? I am pretty sure that you took a lil while to do some quick lookup.
How do the quoted verses below reflect here? They dont.

what does it mean to possess? what is a possession?

Hairyrapunzel:
You cannot convince people who think their Jehovah will slaughter 650 million babies and 8 billion non jws so 8 million jws including rapists, pedophilles, narcissists, psychopath, murderers, thieves etc so they can inherit earth forever.

Loving Jehovah that thinks his/her real life is not here on earth will not listen to you. She cannot be stopped from entering her imaginary paradise earth.

I have said I am not out to convince anybody, but to speak the truth. They must hear truly who they are, and how demonic their teachings are

lovingJehovah:
That is an irrelevant attack for now. How do you discern the spirit?

I know by the witness of the Holy Spirit. He guides me into ALL truth, He bears witness, testimony with my spirit and I can thereby discern an evil spirit. If you don't know, your spirit is the most basic way of hearing from God after His Word.

lovingJehovah:
What is fact and who are you saving it for? Be bold to express yourself instead of dodging questions that appear as storms to you. The Holy Spirit possesses you! Can you show me in the Bible where someone gets possessed by the Holy Spirit?

what I say are the truth, facts are bound by human knowledge, truth is not bound by anything. Mr lovingJehovah, I used your word possess to help your own understanding. The Holy Spirit dwells, abides, lives, is at home in me. He therefore owns my body or possesses it as His own. Therefore He can deal with anyone or anything that tries to defile it (2Cor 3:16, 17).

lovingJehovah:
so how many spirits do you possess in the factual sense?

I am not spilling facts for you, I am telling you the truth and you better accept and be free. I am a spirit, I have a soul and I live in a body. The Holy Spirit also dwells in me. If there is anything I possess or own it will be a soul and a body. I don't possess the Holy Spirit, in fact I'd rather say He possesses me.

lovingJehovah:
do you discern the spirit or the message of spirit?

you discern the spirit, a message can sound right but an evil spirit is behind it (Acts 16:16-18). In JWs case, the message and the spirit are not of God.

lovingJehovah:
That question should really move you forward. Your definition of indoctrination is sarcastic. Can you look the word up in a dictionary and compare to yours?
The world might need a physical sign to prove that you are truly inspired. If you know in your own spirit that our teaching in not inspired, does your spirit always agree with the Holy Spirit? Or is the Holy Spirit always in you?

Of course He is ALWAYS in me. The Holy Spirit dwells in me because my body is His temple (1Cor 3:16). My spirit is ALWAYS in agreement with the Holy Spirit, because my spirit is born again, a brand new creature (2Cor 5:17). The Holy Spirit now bears witness with my spirit.

lovingJehovah:
is part of the fruit judging and condemning others?

that's not a fruit, it's a spiritual gift; it is called discerning of spirits.

lovingJehovah:
Did the Holy Spirit inspire you to judge?
How can you literally prove your belief in the Holy Spirit?

Call it whatever you like. I have seen the truth and I will say it. When Paul met Bar-Jesus a false prophet, he didn't mince words, he was "filled with the Holy Ghost" and said the truth to his face. I also will not mince words at your terrible false doctrines. I have told you before I am not here to prove anything to you. How does somebody proves a belief if not by confession, I believe in the person of the Holy Spirit & I have Him dwelling in my spirit and producing in me the fruit of the Spirit.

lovingJehovah:
No disrespect but first you need to use a dictionary before you can conclude on what is inspired or not. Who taught you the meaning of indoctrination?

first of all I don't need a dictionary to know what is inspired by the Holy Spirit or not. I have got the Holy Spirit and I know in my own spirit that your teachings are not inspired by the Holy Spirit. Some of your questions are just..... if I tell you who taught me the meaning of indoctrination, how will that help the aim of this thread? You've asked me the meaning, I have told you, you're still asking me who taught me? Please ask questions that will move us forward.

lovingJehovah:
If you learn by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, what gives you the prerogative to judge or slander others based on their own beliefs? How about accepting that the Holy Spirit as well inspires them to accept what they believe. Or, are you the only one entitled to be inspired by the Holy Spirit?

How can you be inspired by someone you don't believe even believe in?

Ubenedictus:
maybe the word preserve let him down, but he does have a point. Jesus told the parable of the vine and he told us that the guy without works AKA fruits will be cut of, which means the branch the continues in good work is assured of not been cut off.


in that parable works is presented as a test by which people are cut off or remain in the vine.

You must be referring to John 15. true talk

I think english has not done you justice here. Using the word "preserve" changes everything. Works are very important, they show who we actually are to the world, they give glory to God (Matt 5:16). We are actually saved to wrought good works, because after being saved, your works will be tried in heaven (Matt 25: 32-46). But nowhere in the bible is it suggested that we are "preserved" by works. Our faith in Jesus is actually shown by our works (James 2: 14-26). Faith Without Works Is Dead.

lovingJehovah:
What do you mean by indoctrination? Can you explain what you mean by "reject indoctrination"?

Indoctrination is accepting all you're taught hook, line and sinker without checking things out yourself. I believe all you write here is what you have been taught or convinced of by a man, nothing you write is inspired. You obviously don't read the bible to see more, you only read from the perspective of what you have been convinced of by a man. You need to open up and not swim with only what you have been taught.

lovingJehovah:
What offshoot of Christianity are you?
What Church or religion do you represent?

I represent no church, what I have told you I read myself and learnt by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

lovingJehovah:
have you ever read John 17:3 in your Bible?
You still need to tell me the name of the Holy Spirit. you owe me that

I have read it, and? The Holy Spirit bears the name of The Lord Jesus alongside the Father & The Son. How many times do you want to hear that. That is how much the bible reveals, if you have a name for Him, why, share.

lovingJehovah:
It shows that you are not trying. If you are leading people at 0% you need to be fired. As a leader, it is your responsibility to get up the ranking.
If you read your previous answers you will see the difference.
I will rephrase my question, if Jesus is the name of the Holy Spirit, can the 3 of them be called namesakes?

You can call them whatever you want, I have answered that they are one and the same, different dimensions of God through different ages, call them namesakes if thats your understanding, It is the name they all bear, the name they all respond to, you can call it the family name.

I'd rather not imagine that, if you are here quoting scriptures up and down and you don't know God, no human can help you. I repeat, it is not my duty to convince, I teach, I preach, the Holy Spirit is the convictor. I actually duff my hat when I see Jw's because of how explicitly mislead they are and still don't know. I also duff my heart for the few I know, who have finally come to see Jesus as God and also see the numerous lies your bible contain not that they were convinced by a man like you were, but by the Holy Spirit Himself. You guys are more like Islam and Judaism in your beliefs of Jesus. Read your bible for yourself reject indoctrination know God for yourself, don't let one man form your belief systems for you, know God for you.

lovingJehovah:
Initially, I asked you what is the name of God, the father of Jesus, and you told me that it is YHWH. We all know that the name of the son of YHWH is Jesus. According to your belief in the Trinity, there are three and from that verse that you quoted, it says the 'name' of the Holy Spirit. So, I am asking, what is the name of the Holy Spirit that makes up the third of your doctrine? I am trying to help you elaborate your doctrine. We have got two names so far. You are 70% there.

I am 70% there to you, while to me you are 0% to where I am taking you. There is only but one name, I did not give you 2 names. There is nothing like the name of the Holy Spirit, just as there is nothing like the name of the Son or the Father, the three together have one name, and since you are afraid to call the name, I'll call it for you: JESUS is the NAME of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

lovingJehovah:
Is this the Good news that you will give to an atheist?
The Bible says that you received free, so give free

are you an atheist, you want me to be telling you about God as I will tell an atheist? By the way, it is not in my power to convince anybody of the existence of God. Nobody can convince anybody because it is God that draws people to Himself. Nobody convinced me, so I am not bound to convince anybody, I can share the gospel, but I cannot convince anybody.

lovingJehovah:
How can you prove that God exists?

what has this got to do with what we are saying? If you need a proof of His existence, ask Him, He will show you. You believe, you will see. I cannot prove God to any man. If you want to know Him read about Him and ask Him.