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Boriqua:
I believe in freedom of worship, if we can point out the facts that made these acts idolatory, then its left for any reasonable adult to decide to stop idolising Santa or continue in the act.

Oh, Ok.

Boriqua:
Well, am only trying to help those who ignorant of their worship to this idolatory.

I don't see you helping anyone. You're only diagnosing the problem, you've not proferred any solution.

urahara, to answer your question: wherd did we get Satan from? Job calls Satan a roamer (Job 1:7;2:2). Peter calls him so too (1 Peter 5:. Job portrays him as an accuser, he accused Job of being faithful to God because of material blessings (Job 1:9-11;2:4-5). Guess what? Revelations did same; called him the accuser of the brethren (Rev 12:10).

Boriqua:
So this observation is so right, Santa just came from outter space to steal the show with his load of gifts. Dont neglect the worship of Santa by the assumed christains, that contravene the first commandment of God almighty,"Thou shall not worship any other god before me"

Santa was created by man, if you say people are worshipping him, fine. If someone does not have a relationship with Jesus, he/she can't celebrate correctly.

urahara seun etc, there is double identity in the bible. In Dan 10:12-13, the angel told of the prince of the kingdom of Persia. He wasn't talking of a physical prince, but of a demonic entity that fought him in battle. That demon was in charge of the territory of Persia, hence; "the prince of persia". It is the same used for Lucifer in Isaiah 14, the same used for The King of Tyre (Ezekiel 28). Both speak of the same person: Lucifer. Job 1&2, very important in deciphing who Satan is. Firstly, a distinction is made between the sons of God (angels) and Satan (1:6). Secondly, angels are under the command of God, doing works as assigned to them. Satan was roaming the face of the earth. Angels are ministers (servants) to believers not roamers. God's eyes are already "roaming" the earth (2Chro 16:9), not angels. Lastly, it is clear that Satan here has thoughts of his own, he was even suggesting to God. An angel, like you said, has no will of his, but Satan did. No angel will suggest to God what to do. None.

Boriqua:
"As for Santa; Kid's story." i dont think o there is seriuos global recognition given to this Santa, grown-ups in my street and the whole neighbourhood are all displaying this same Santa in different sizes but same colour you can hardly notice the assumed celebrant,to me that is a complete worship of Santa.

I don't have any problems with the Santa thing. People who take Santa more than Jesus Himself have no understanding of who the celebrant is. So, they end up celebrating the wrong way. Santa is for kids, not for grown ups. There are many people in this "christmas party" who don't even know who the celebrant is. Santa is not the problem; a lack of relationship with Jesus is.

enilove:
Thanks .
Am a learner , from a Muslim background .

wow, kudos, you're a fast learner then. May God's grace abound more towards to you bro, and may your light lead others to the light of Jesus.

you're probably a muslim, but no matter, we'll try to satisfy your curiousity. JESUS is the reason for the season and the one we celebrate this season. We celebrate because heaven gave us a precedent to follow as they were the first to celebrate the birth of the Son of God (Luke 2:8-14). Now some people celebrate christmas the way they do because they don't have a relationship with who they are celebrating. If I am celebrating my birthday my family and close friends will know how to celebrate me due to relationshlp. They know what I like and what I don't like. People celebrate christmas without even knowing who they are celebrating, hence the many horrible vices that prevail this season. Have a functional relationship with Jesus and you will celebrate christmas the right way. You can have one too, just believe in Jesus and receive Him as your saviour. As for Santa; Kid's story.

You're doing well enilove, keep it up bro.

ubenedictus, this is clearer, but the description in Rom 2:9-10, can't be of christians, that description is for unbelievers. I believe we are SAVED for good works. There are things we need to do as christians to maintain our new nature and all these things are found in God. All. Victory above sin is given by God, even though we have our parts to play. The works we are referring to we do them by God (Phil 2:12-13). No doubt that works are important, but they are only important for the salvation of the soul and not the spirit. A dying man who surrenders to Christ will go to heaven without any works, why? Because, his spirit is saved, there is no need for works to do that.

Ubenedictus:
salvation is both inheritance and reward

Colossians 3:23-24
Whatever you do, do your work heartily, as for the
Lord rather than for men, knowing that from the
Lord you will receive the reward of the inheritance
It is the Lord Christ whom you serve.

"reward of the inheritance", that is reward of the salvation. There are rewards attached to your works if you're saved. If salvation is a reward, then it can't be an inheritance, you either work for it or not.

I am sorry ubenedictus but you're wrong. Firstly, works will not make you attain salvation, belief in Jesus gives salvation. Eternal life is not a reward, but an inheritance. You don't work for an inheritance, you're born into it, in this case born again into it. Works determine reward not salvation. If works makes you attain salvation, then it will be useless for anyone to accept Christ on a death bed. Secondly, I never supported disobedience, if you read what you quoted well I said works are highly important for a christian, highly important. Works are an offshoot of your faith, you can't say you're saved and revel in disobedience. Jesus Himself went about doing good but, works will not enhance or reduce your salvation, definitely influence your reward.

ken4christ thanks for your last quote. Works as you said determine reward, not salvation. Hence some christians will be rewarded more than others. Once you accept Christ, you're saved, works will not increase or reduce your salvation. If works could save or preserve salvation then it will be useless preaching to a dying man, because, he will not have the chance to work. Salvation is an inheritance not a reward. You don't work for an inheritance you are born (again) into it, but you will have to work for a reward.

hopefulLandlord:
when atheists discuss your Yahweh we discuss it from the point of fiction just like we discuss GOT, Harry Potter, Superman, Spiderman etc; I (dare I say we?) just use questions as these to (attempt to) snap some of you out of your delusions

you must love this particular fiction, cos I think you know there is something more to this "fiction" hence your incessant obsession with this "fiction". And how many people have you managed to "snap out of delusion". I have no problem with your belief (or non-belief), but I do have a problem with you asking what you can't understand. The answer to this thread lies all over the thread, but you can't see it. That is nobody's fault but yours. Your weak attempts at snapping people out, if I may ask is to what end? So that they become aethists like you and live to die? There's much more in God, assurance of heaven, joy unspeakable, a hope that will not be shaken by your (or anyone's) attempt to ridicule our faith.

shaybebaby:
This is the mistake you make. Most atheists were once like you and believed whatever doctrines postulated by their religion. Until they started seeing the illogicalities and it all started to unravel.

If people turn against faith, it's because it makes no sense and when they ask questions, they get the usual bunkum spouted.

Kinda like politicians that never give straight answers when asked simple questions. It speaks of deception or falsity.

not so dear, faith is believing what you don't see, people who turn against faith often do so because of what happened to them, this in itself negates the whole concept of faith. Very few aethist changed because of doubt on what they were taught, events change them. My post was; how can someone understand angels when he doesn't believe in God? How? It is like trying to understand squares and roots without understanding multiplication, even if you see the answer, you won't know.

if you ask a primary school student a question on rocket science, even with options before him, he'll most likely always fail even though the answer is before him. The reason being that he lacks the basic required knowledge to identify the answer. As aethists, you are most likely to be unable to see answers to the questions bothering your mind on a "non-existent" God (I wonder why you ask questions on what does not exist) not because you don't want to but because you lack the basic knowledge to. And people say what you don't know is greater than you. My own prayer is for God Himself to shine His light on you as on Paul. I know no amount of answers arguments and counter questions is able to save even the least doubtful aethist in the world.

ken4christ, you're write ups are cool, but I still believe the word "preserve" in this context is wrong. No doubt that good works are of high importance in christianity but as to the preservation or keeping of salvation, works cannot preserve what grace gives. Even the works themselves are by-products of grace (Titus 2:11-12). God Himself has the sole responsibility of preserving what He gives "Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless...." (Jude:24). "Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." (1Peter 1:5). Works in itself are more like signs for men and not for God (Matt 5:16). God has called us unto good works to the glory of His name (1Peter 2:12), not unto the preservation of our salvation. He will keep me and preserve me and I will live my life according as He pleases in appreciation.

Every and any relationship can and should be broken if the need arises. A broken relationship is always better than a broken marriage. Although a friend of mine told me that as christians we don't break engagements or relationships, we end 'em.

Bevista:
It means he is not dogmatic, but open to new (and more enlightened) interpretations and perspectives of the bible.
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Surely, if Jesus was available today and he was asked questions concerning most issues in the bible, his perspectives would challenge some of the things we claim to hold as dogma, sacrosanct or law.

please can you give an example of what Jesus would change His perspectives on?

dalaman:
So human beings were created for the purpose of praising a God that is a narcissist? I wonder why we regard things as bad when humans do it but consider them as good when it comes to God. Will you consider a human that loves endless praise from other humans as a good thing? Will you consider a human being that creates robot solely for the purpose of endlessly praising him a good thing?
If people kill each other we consider it a bad thing but when God does it as we read in stories we claim it's good, we even claim it's good when God burns people in fire forever because of unbelief, but will conside any himam that does that the most vile of all humans. What kind of nonsense is that?

you try to comprehend something you don't know. When you're hungry and eat, do you get hungry again? What do you do? you eat again, sometimes a new delicacy. The same with God, He eats, inhabits worship. That's why The bible calls worship and praise "the FRUIT of our lips".

dalaman:
So your God is a narcissist? All he wants is to be praised every moment. The millions of angels that are constantly praising and worshiping him isn't enough for him. He still wants the praise of humans endlessly. What kind of insatiable narcissist is this?

He deserves to be praised, it is obvious you don't praise God, so why the hate on His praise? Anything/anybody praising God, is only fulfilling their purpose of creation.

Zenithpeak:
They all believe that there is GOD and know is name to be JEHOVAH, they prefer calling YAHWEH, they also believe strongly that He is the Almighty, the creator of heaven and the earth.

The problem is that, at some point in time in their lives, they felt he has offended them and they have vowed never to reconcile with Him. Isn't it funny, a pot fighting with the potter hmmmm.... They are always enraged and seeking for a means to take revenge on HIM or anything / anyone related to Him.

A time is coming one by one they will be realising their errors and be willing to return. I pray the grace be extended to accommodate them.

NOW, THIS WRITE UP, I AM IN LOVE WITH.

dalaman:
The problem with this whole angel brouhaha that I fail to grasps is praising and worshiping God. Accordingto the story, we are told that angels have been worshiping and praising Yahweh for billions if not millions of years, yet Yahweh isn't satisfied he still wants humans to worship and praise him here on earth and when they also die and go to be with him in heaven. What kind of fuckkeed up nonsense is that?

whatever God creates has a duty of bringing pleasure to Him whether angels or man, and worship does just that. Revelations 4:11 "....for thou hast created ALL things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created". The only thing God cannot do for Himself is to worship Himself. So He made man in His image and likeness to show forth His praise. Isaiah 43:21 "this people have I formed for myself, they will show forth my praise."

hopefulLandlord:
it makes NO difference if I complete it or not as the message therein stays the same and either way still shows the contradiction

Answer a fool according to his folly least he is wise in his own eyes.

Answer not a fool according to his folly least you become like him.

the question now is "Should you or should you not answer a fool according to his folly?"

you've just proven me right with this post of yours, you picked the verse that agreed with you based on whim and ignored the fact that there's a verse that totally goes the opposite too

so while joshnes probably went with the first, you went with the second and tried to make joshnes go with yours like you're some authority; confused set of people being led by a confused book which explains why there are over 30,000 different Christian sects, each claiming to be the best and almost all claiming to be the only true sect

AND HERE I WAS THINKING THIS THREAD WAS ON ANGELS

Zenithpeak:
Answer not a fool according to his folly least you become like him.

Their situations has gone beyond redemption.

LOL, they are NOT beyond redemption.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with this, if anything, this is progress. If you pay offering or tithes by cash, what is wrong with paying online. You people be just ready to insult.

The soul is large and contains our mind, emotions, will, intellect etc. It is a realm on its own. The soul and the spirit will not die. The soul was created before the body, it was created first (Genesis 1: 26-28). The spirit was gotten directly from God just like you said. Nice write up.

God needs angels to minister to man physically. God will not come down physically to minister to you. The Bible says they are ALL ministering spirits sent to minister to the heirs of salvation (Hebrews 1:14). There is your answer sir.

In relation to the thread, God has even healed through medicine before 2Kings 20:7 "And Isaiah said, Take a lump of figs. And they took and laid it on the boil, and he recovered." Personally, I prefer not to take drugs, because I have grown with the Word and I believe God can and will heal me, and He does just that. That's my faith level, I don't ask anybody to pray for me, I just speak the word and wait for my healing. When I meet an ill person, a christian, I ask "have you taken medications?" some say no, others not yet and some may say they don't take drugs, I am like fine whatever rocks your boat. It is dangerous to make somebody do something they are not convinced about. A little doubt means you get nothing (James 1:6-7).

urheme:
The bold is very correct.....this was what Kathryn kulhman lamented...as if faith is a thing that can be purchased.

Christ did all manner of healings and miracles with out faith.

Elisha's bones raised a dead man.........where is faith and whose faith
Naama got healed by grudgingly washing in the Jordan river...who's faith is it
Peter's Shadow was busy healing as he passes by.........who's faith is it.
Lazarus was raised in the presence of faithless mourners

It is an abomination for a pastor to preach faith.....it becomes an excuse for his shortcomings after collecting tithe, offerings, seeds etc

What about the love of God...

you're not absolutely right. Jesus healed a man in Luke 5 because of the faith of the man's friends. In Acts 14, a man got healed because "he had faith to be healed"(v9). The woman with the issue of blood (Mark 5), Jesus told her "thy faith hath made thee whole". Faith is important to be taught about.

lovingJehovah:
Not really! I just thought about Jude 1:12-13 and decided to end the intellectual riling and divergence of thoughts and beliefs. There are people who are structured to waste fruitful time on fruitlessness. You have your ways and it is different from mine. So, I appreciate your time so far.

OWKAY

lovingJehovah:
Okay, bro. Do have a wonderful day ahead of you.

Finally, dictionary has kept you quiet. Now, you will not decieve people like this and go scot free. God will eventually arrest you just like Paul and like Paul too, open your eyes to the truth and make you an ambassador of the same truth. I am praying for you and I hope to hear from you then. Do have a nice day too.