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CAPTIVATOR:
Chill, the statement said " only"
Let me repeat it again

" ONLY "

According to the dictionary, Only when used in a sentence means THERE ARE NO OTHERS in that class.

So Jesus said ONLY the Father knows, ( which automatically means Jesus don't know and holy spirit don't know );

Do you Emusan believe this statement that Only the Father knows ? Yes or No!



Psalm 115:3 OUR GOD IS IN HEAVEN

The spirit return to God

God dwell in heaven.

Spirit return to where it came from.


Implication: The spirit person lives in heaven before he was given .


The question arises: So this person's exist in heaven before their birth? Adam existed in heaven before he was created ?

Emusan is on weed

Emusan:
The BODY died.

The body is the man that died. The spirit is his force of life.

Another nonsense to start giving you Bible study again.
The Spirit RETURNED TO GOD.
Says the Holy book.

That spirit is breath. Common knowledge

John 8:23
But he continued, “You are from below; I am from above"

Anybody claiming spirit that return to God is a Person is claiming we are also from above. Do humans also lived as spirit person's before they are born ? You don smoke weed Emusan.

Spirit of man is a force just as holy spirit is a force.

Emusan:
Smile....

See delusion.

Now, what the scripture says doesn't matter anymore just for your fraudulent ideas.

O ma se oooo...

Why is this hard for you
Present where Jesus said he knows all things ?

Doesn't exist?

That is your own understanding.

The scripture says the Holy knows the MIND OF GOD and the very THOUGHT OF GOD.

No inanimate object can know ANOTHER PERSON MIND.

To think ordinary FORCE knows the MIND of your god shows how powerless your god is.

That a force KNOWS the mind of your god should make you to be a shame of your god.

But for the great Yahweh, the God of the universe force is too small to know His mind talk less of His THOUGHT.

I repeat that was because spirit of man is also a PERSON.

Only a person have the ABILITY TO KNOW ANOTHER PERSON MIND.

You can't proof this wrong since.

No one knows the Father like the Son. The implication is that nobody can know what the son declares himself that he doesn't know because that would mean someone else knows the Father than Jesus which is unscriptural and wrong. Holy spirit knowing in that refers to a force that proceed from the Father himself. Not a person. Spirit of man also know the things of man, yet it's not a person but his breath

Emusan:
"Destroy this BUILDING and I'll raise it up...He is talking about His BODY"

Simple English.



O ma se ooo

So the BODY was alive!



So Jesus lied that He will RAISE the Body

Jesus also lied that He has the power to lay down His life and also TAKE it back.



The BODY was in the grave which is also Jesus
.

The SPIRIT can't die and is a person.

The bold is the point. Jesus died and was in the grave. Not heaven.

@highlighted, Jesus was in the grave , Countless humans have died before Jesus came to earth and yet he still declared no man has ever been to heaven John 3:13 . Men don't have another person that go to heaven when they die. Its a force.

Emusan:
So I never said Jesus lied, it's just your own false accusation.
The liar here is the one who is denying God and His word.

According to scripture:

Jesus knows ALL THINGS

Fraud, He said you should present where Jesus said himself that he knows all things ?

He already present where he said with his own mouth that he doesn't know.

THE HOLY SPIRIT KNOWS THE VERY MIND OF GOD, THE DEEP THINGS OF GOD and the THOUGHT of God.

Only a PERSON can know the THOUGHT of another person.

Holy spirit cannot know what Jesus said he doesn't know. Jesus is the closest person to the Father. This is clarifying the truth that it's a force that proceed from the Father himself.

Spirit of man was also said to know the thoughts of man and yet it's not a Person/soul . Wake up.

Emusan:
The reason why you have been jumping up and down is because you know you already lost the battle as your father the Devil did.

Jesus was obviously talking about His BODY which there's no doubt as He Himself said He will be the one to RAISE THE BODY.

" son of man will be in the heart of the earth"

Who is the Son of man?

You complicated issue more for yourself as this proved that:

1. Jesus body was the actual one that was BACK TO LIVE SINCE THE BODY WASNIN THE HEART OF THE EARTH.

2. Jesus is fully aware location of the resting body and reason why He can bring it back to life.

3. Spirit of Man is actual separated from man.

Blasphemy! You are saying Jesus didn't die for sins. He just changed location 😂🤣🤣🤣

God the Father raised Jesus back to life ( 1Pet 1:3) the person called Jesus died. The bible said the Messiah pour his own SOUL UNTO DEATH. Not just a body. HIS SOUL as a PERSON died.

It was Jesus that was in the grave until ressurection. He didn't take himself to heaven until the day he was taken up ... He died on earth, rested as a dead soul on earth for three days , get ressurected as a living soul on earth, until the day he was taken up to heaven.

Emusan:
So was Jesus seen after THAT ASCENSION BY disciples with their NAKED EYES?

There are how many ascension?

" For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. "

Jesus died on earth and remain 3 days and night ON EARTH.
Didn't return to Heaven until the day he was taken to heaven.

You this Fraud 😂

Emusan:
Yes! "At this particular time" I'm not going to the Father.

Simple English that even a kindergarten will grab quickly.



'SET' where did Luke say that.

See the person who is castigating me for using the word FINALLY

Preach and teach UNTIL THE DAY HE WAs taken up to heaven.

Went to heaven on that day. " Until "

before that day he didn't. You this fraud 😂

Emusan:
So was Jesus seen after THAT ASCENSION BY disciples with their NAKED EYES?

Fraud 🤣🤣🤣🤣

There is only one ascension not two.

Emusan:
Olodo...

You want me to proof to you EXPLANATION of a verse.

Did I say I'm QUOTING the verse with FINALLY? see the person I'm waisting time with here

O ma se oooo

Olodo 🤣🤣😂😂😂

Stop adding finally, Jesus ascend once.

Barristter07:
Someone that's bold enough to say Jesus was lying at Matthew 24:36 won't care to add more lies to protect himself. He now needs more lies to protect his other lies.

Boss 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂

No proof, just vibes.

Jesus didn't even say I'm yet to ascend Finally to indicate he has ascended before . He said I'm yet to ascend . No finally o, Emusan dey cap nonsense

Luke still said he wasn't taken up until a set day. Emusan say e don go heaven before ascension , Confirm fraud 😂😂🤣

Emusan:
Smile....

But Jesus was there!

Now, the scripture is lying

Had it been the statement was like 'Lord I know you are a liar!"

Do you think Jesus will reply with “Do you now believe?" Or "Feed my sheep."

Or Jesus will quickly correct their understanding?

Someone that didn't even respond or bother to correct when he was called all sort of things during trial. 🤣🤣🤣Silence doesn't mean admittance

Provide where Jesus state it himself that he knows all things?

After all we know he already refute it with his own mouth at Matt 24:36

Emusan:
You must be a weed smoker for you to ask this.
Someone who came from heaven in the first place

Poor understanding is your problem.

Until the day he was TAKEN TO HEAVEN which means the day was taken to heaven without been SEEN AGAIN.

What is so hard for you to understand here?

Just saying stuff without proofs. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Show me where Luke said this or even add Take to heaven FINALLY?

He teach and preach on earth until he was taken to heaven on a single day.

Emusan:
He can't be TAKEN TO HEAVEN FINALLY IN DAYS it must be ONE DAY

The fact is, that verse was talking about WHEN JESUS WONT BE SEEN AGAIN not that He has not been to HEAVEN.

😂😂😂😂😂😂 Who is your weed plug Emusan?

Until the day he was taken to heaven

That destination is heaven, he wasn't taken there until that single day.

Emusan:
Smile....

Poor understand, he was taken up FINALLY which means He was not going to be SEEN AGAIN.

The DAY

Not DAYS.

If he ascend to heaven at death that make it days. Olodo, that means the spirit that ascend is just breath, not Jesus himself. Olodo

Emusan:
John 16:30, John 21:17

That's not Jesus .

You don't have proof ?

Emusan:
Yet also means "AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME"

So cut the crab!

" In my former book, Theophilus, I wrote about all that Jesus began to do and to teach 2 until the day he was taken up to heaven, after giving instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles he had chosen.

He was taken up to heaven on a single day , not days , not two days. Mr first ascension and final ascension Lie lie 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Emusan:
I've answered many times.

Did the scripture lie that Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS?

Provide where Jesus said he knows all things.

Emusan:
Provide where I said so.

When fact are presented to you people you change mouth.

Even when you called your brother did you see him saying anything?

The fact is, 1 Pet 2:14 was not about believers KNOW ALL THINGS as having the ability of OMNISCIENCE as related to God.
But about Jesus it's about KNOWING ALL THINGS which is OMNISCIENCE.

😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Did Jesus lied when he said he doesn't know at Matthew 24:36?

Emusan:
Now, he is changing mouth

The point is clear no further going around.

Using style to call the Apostles LIAR when that statement was made in THE PRESENCE OF JESUS HIMSELF.

You admitted its Jesus that lied ?

Emusan:
Smile....

You people are just too dull for scriptural knowledge.

Let me use your own NWT to explain to you maybe it will sink this time.

Here is how your NWT put John 16:30 "Now we know that you KNOW ALL THINGS+ and you do not need to have anyone question you.+ By this we believe that you came out from God.”

The plus sign is a reference to John 21:17 where Peter used the same ALL THINGS for Jesus Christ about KNOWING.

But let's see how your NWT translates 1 John 2:20 "And YOU have an anointing* from the holy one;+ all of YOU have knowledge."

If you check other translations some use:
"know the truth"

"all of you understand"

"you all have knowledge"

But compare this to Jesus Christ and see that they all translate it as ALL THINGS OR EVERYTHING

Do you agree with NWT that the followers only HAVE KNOWLEDGE?




No! Man's spirit is a PERSON too that is why the word 'KNOW' was used, inanimate object can't KNOW YOUR THOUGHT.

So, God's Holy Spirit is also a PERSON.

Just agree that inanimate things knows the THOUGHT of your god

A good bible translation could use their judgement in certain matters, it doesn't change the Fact that the Greek word that appeared at 1John 2:20 means all things. Like someone said that it's sad to watch you cling desperately to apostles utterance when Christ already specified he doesn't know certain things. The same way NWT and other translation use their judgement, is the same way you ought to use your judgement to know the apostles statement is made in error since Jesus confirmed there are things the Son doesn't know. If the apostles statement is Correct, Jesus is a liar at Matthew 24:36

Emusan:
But Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS and Him and the Father ARE ONE.

Here in other to use Jesus statement 'I and my Father are One'

People like interpret that to mean Jesus and His Father are one both in THOUGHT AND ACTION.



Yes! We know ALL THINGS concerning the TRUTH of the Gospel which is what the verse is addressing

"Concerning "

Now that Concerning has join the league, concerning the day and hour, did the Son know ? Noooooooo!

Which means no other person can know!!!!

The Holy Holy Spirit is a person and Know the very THOUGHT OF GOD.

To think inanimate things KNOWS the THOUGHT of your god is the greatest inappropriate statement about God, well The Great Yahweh can't be so low that inanimate things will KNOW his THOUGHT

Spirit/breath of man is a force yet it was said to know the thoughts of a man. No difference here.

cc: Barristter07

achorladey:
Here you are......
Jehovah is our father because Jehovah married the heavenly Jerusalem to give birth to Adam.

Provide Jesus offspring while he was on Earth?

See it again.....
Who brought to existence the brothers?

Those 144,000 in the book of revelation your religious organization called Jesus' brothers are they figurative or literal? Who didn't bring them into existence figuratively. Who died figuratively for them. Who didn't empty himself figuratively to live as humans and not ashamed to call them brothers.
He was created just like his brothers yet all other things were created through the instruments or all things came into existence through the instrument, and apart from the instrument not even one thing came into existence(brothers)

This.....

VS......

Do you read ?
John 1:3 says " Apart from him" . Exception, because he was created directly by the Father.


He is a " Firstborn among many brothers "

First born means First to be Born .

In that succession. Others follow till today until whoever will be the last born of creation in heaven and earth.

Generically all are " Sons of God "

A united description of all living creatures born by creation.

achorladey:
Discussion coming to a halt.....

You have the answer already. Isaiah 53:10 states his offspring. Call it literal or figurative or spiritual.

Not one single child was attributed to Jesus while on earth. Neither was he even married.

Who brought to existence the brothers?

Those 144,000 in the book of revelation your religious organization called Jesus' brothers are they figurative or literal? Who didn't bring them into existence figuratively. Who died figuratively for them. Who didn't empty himself figuratively to live as humans and not ashamed to call them brothers.

He was created just like his brothers yet all other things were created through him or all things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.

Who brought to existence the brothers? The one that apart from him not even one thing came to existence is not ashamed to call them brothers.

This is like trying to say your Dad is your creator because you were made through him.

Instrument is not creator!

Creator is the source ( 1Cor 8:6 The Father, from whom all things came )

Many can act as instrument to bring further life, but none is the Creator

If Jesus wasn't created like the Father, he won't have such description as " firstborn " and " Son " .

achorladey:

From spiritual to figurative offspring.
Isaiah 53:10 his offspring with no quote are his kids.

Those he died for and not ashamed to called brothers are not figurative? Are they?

Those 144,000 in the book of revelation your religious organization called Jesus' brothers are they figurative or literal?
He was created just like his brothers yet all other things were created through him or all things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.

Who brought to existence the brothers?

When you produce the child Jesus has on earth as a Messiah, we will discuss.

That aside , while God used Jesus to accomplish some things. The Fact remain

Angels = Sons of God [the Father]

Adam = Son of God [the Father ]

Jesus = Son of God [ the Father ]

All of them are brothers because they have the same Father. But what united them all is that they proceed as a Creation from the Father. Hence " Sons " , with Jesus reference to as the " Firstborn among many brothers "

Such a description like firstborn or son was never applied to the Father for one reason. He doesn't have a Father , neither proceeding from anyone

achorladey:
Now
Spiritual what first?

Figurative " offspring" . can you Show me Jesus Kids when he was on Earth?

Emusan:
Yes! Holy Spirit knows God's mind.
That makes the Holy spirit to be a person and whoever knows your mind actually knows ALL THINGS.

Jesus as the Word of God and God Almighty is ONE with the Father.

Just as @achorladey piint ed out as quoted in that Rev Jesus has a NAME only Him knows, I know you won't hesitate to say of course the Father will know the name as well.

Neglecting the that fact the scripture was clear as ONLY ONE PERSON KNOWS.

He has a name "WRITTEN " . The writer is excluded. The word " Written" indicated an action of writing.

The same way it says at Rev 2:17 that the person from that congregation who conquers has a name written which only him knows. Once again, excluding the writer.

I need to know : Who gave the Father the permission or right to know the day and hour so we can exclude him?

Secondly, no one knows the Father deeply than the son, Are you saying holy spirit knows the Father much more than the son who doesn't know ?

achorladey:
You are the one saying......




Now....

.

I forgot it is not through Jesus that those he called brothers were created and you are the one differentiating true offspring from fake offspring.



You started from.....



When Isaiah said he has offspring you entered. Offspring in quote despite your religious publications defending why he is called eternal father using that same scripture and others.



Jesus calling humans brothers will indeed be a problem despite your belief that God used him to create humans.

The event of Isaiah 53 applies to Jesus days as Human, he has no literal offspring or children. He died single, The reference was spiritual. That is why the initial commentary was wise enough to use quotes

Romans 8:29 said he is the " Firstborn among many brothers "

The term " Firstborn " and Son of God " were frequently applied to him because he was created just like his brother's, The only person excluded from such terms is the Father , the Uncreated one.

achorladey:
Now that Isaiah didn't put offspring in quote you enter.......
I wonder, they were his imaginary offspring. He is not ashamed to call them brothers.
The same person that is not ashamed to empty his position and die for those he is not ashamed to call brothers.

How can you be ashamed to call fellow persons created BY YOUR FATHER, Brothers ?

The Bible said he is not ashamed to call us brothers because we all have the same Father and Source.

Anyone born by your Father is your brother.

He will never call us brothers if we are his children. Show me anywhere the Father call us brothers ? Never.

achorladey:
Isaiah 53:10 But it was Jehovah’s will to crush him, and he let him become sick. If you will present his life as a guilt offering, He will see his offspring, he will prolong his days, And through him the delight of Jehovah will have success.
Isaiah who penned it down didn't put offspring in quote.

He is not ashamed to call his offspring brothers.

He call them brothers.

He is not ashamed , because he knows he was created like others, he and us , all have ONE SOURCE.


If they were his true offspring, he would have been ashamed to call them brothers.

Nowhere will you see the Father call his creatures brothers. It's never done.

Emusan:
@achorladey has already done justice to that

But I know you people are shameless

No, the writer is not a dummy, he placed " Offspring" in quotes because he knows you can't be a brother with your offspring.

achorladey:
But it was Jehovah’s will to crush him, and he let him become sick. If you will present his life as a guilt offering, He will see his offspring, he will prolong his days, And through him the delight of Jehovah will have success.

Next Isaiah says something startling: “Jehovah himself took delight in crushing him; he made him sick. If you will set his soul as a guilt offering, he will see his offspring, he will prolong his days, and in his hand what is the delight of Jehovah will succeed. Because of the trouble of his soul he will see, he will be satisfied. By means of his knowledge the righteous one, my servant, will bring a righteous standing to many people; and their errors he himself will bear.” (Isaiah 53:10, 11) How could Jehovah possibly take delight in seeing this faithful servant crushed? Clearly, Jehovah did not personally inflict suffering upon his dear Son. Jesus’ enemies were fully responsible for what they did to him. But Jehovah permitted them to act cruelly. (John 19:11) For what reason? Surely the God of empathy and tender compassion was pained to see his innocent Son suffer. (Isaiah 63:9; Luke 1:77, 78) Jehovah was certainly not displeased in any way with Jesus. Even so, Jehovah took delight in his Son’s willingness to suffer because of all the blessings that would result from it.

31. (a) In what way did Jehovah set Jesus’ soul as “a guilt offering”? (b) After all the trouble that Jesus experienced as a human, what must be particularly satisfying for him?

31 For one thing, Jehovah set Jesus’ soul as “a guilt offering.” Hence, when Jesus ascended back to heaven, he entered Jehovah’s presence bearing the merit of his sacrificed human life as a guilt offering, and Jehovah was pleased to accept it in behalf of all mankind. (Hebrews 9:24; 10:5-14) By means of his guilt offering, Jesus acquired [b] “offspring.” As “Eternal Father,” he is able to give life​—eternal life—​to those who exercise faith in his shed blood[/b]. (Isaiah 9:6) After all the trouble that Jesus went through as a human soul, how satisfying it must be for him to have the prospect of delivering mankind from sin and death! Of course, it must be even more satisfying for him to know that his integrity provided his heavenly Father with an answer to the taunts of His Adversary, Satan the Devil.​—Proverbs 27:11.


That's your religious publication admittance of Jesus having OFFSPRING and being ETERNAL FATHER.

The writer put Offspring in " quotes" for a reason.

Regarding the same guilt offering

" For he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified all have one source. That is why he is not ashamed to call them brothers " Heb 2:11 .

Can you and your offspring Be BROTHERS?