Religion / Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Jozzy4: 12:29pm On Apr 28, 2020 |
freshboi88:
Actually, I have more sense than you. Isn't that evident?...
Should I still school u again....wht will u give me if I open ur eyes
you claimed Jesus saying I am in the Father means Jesus is same with the Father . then it means we too are same with Jesus and his Father. U this liar John 17:21 .that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. MAY THEY ALSO BE IN US so that the world may believe that You sent Me. Does this mean we are The Father and Jesus ? That point expose your false reasoning. 1 Like 1 Share |
Religion / Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Jozzy4: 12:13pm On Apr 28, 2020 |
freshboi88:
Romans 11:36 For from him and through him and for him are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen
That's the verse, show me where it said The Father created someone through himself. Re u been delusional What came through the Father ? 1 Like 1 Share |
Religion / Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Jozzy4: 7:43pm On Apr 26, 2020 |
freshboi88:
Only begotten because he is the only one the Father created through himself . while other sons made through Jesus.... Prove this scripturally.
Scripture itself says begotten. That's the prove he was created. Begotten means ? Romans 11:36 says the Father created someone THROUGH himself. Without Jesus , who is that person ? 1 Like 1 Share |
Religion / Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Jozzy4: 7:40pm On Apr 26, 2020 |
freshboi88:
New Living Translation Just believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me. Or at least believe because of the work you have seen me do.
Explain the bolded John 17:21 disciples in the Father . Do you have sense ? 1 Like 1 Share |
Religion / Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Jozzy4: 6:17pm On Apr 26, 2020 |
freshboi88:
Jesus Christ is called God's only Begotten, one and Only. Why?... Plus I have treated this before Only begotten son doesnt change the Fact he was created like other Sons of God. Dont be silly. Only begotten because he is the only one the Father created through himself . while other sons made through Jesus. Isaac was only begotten because she is the only one born by promise to Sarah. Other sons were through other women Same here . But the core remains , Father preceded the sons |
Religion / Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Jozzy4: 6:02pm On Apr 26, 2020 |
Colossians 2:9,10
Freshboi88 , verse 10 says we also have the same fullness .
Please go and sleep somewhere |
Religion / Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Jozzy4: 6:00pm On Apr 26, 2020 |
freshboi88:
Can't u see that Paul says
col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Who is the Godhead?. The Father. So the fullness of Father dwells in the Son. So the Father given Christ All Authority is like given the Authority back to himself. That is why Jesus says
Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”
9Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves. Point of correction , Jesus is not the Father We are also in the Father if you dont know John 17:21 " that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us , so that the world may believe that you have sent me. " Does this mean are we the Father and Christ ? Where is your sense ? So the Father was retuning kingdom to himself when the text clearly says it was son that is returning it to Father ? So when it says Jesus was given authority, it shows he was Given !!! Which excludes him from Romans 11:35,36 . the person spoken of there cannot be given anything . Now that we can see Jesus is not the person at Romans 11:36, Whom did the Father made THROUGH HIMSELF ? ( through himself shows he didn't need Jesus when he.made that person ? |
Religion / Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Jozzy4: 5:36pm On Apr 26, 2020 |
freshboi88: Guys I am dealing with @Janosky. E yansh dey pepper am now. E hi don tire for me say any akara analogy I carry comot freshboi go just use me do yeye.............
My brother nah because watch tower don deceive you nah. How u wan take win argument when u dey wrong 1Corinthians 15:27 says Jesus his a son ... Why are Angels and others called " Sons " ? |
Religion / Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Jozzy4: 5:29pm On Apr 26, 2020 |
freshboi88:
First of all, Jesus is both Man and God. So the fact that he is given authority and power doesn't mean anything. Let me school u again scripturally.
For Christ to become man, what did he do. Let's see what scripture tells us
Philippians 2:7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
Emptied himself of all power, glory and authority to become man.
As man he had become lower than the Angels
New Living Translation Heb 2:9 What we do see is Jesus, who for a little while was given a position “a little lower than the angels”; and because he suffered death for us, he is now “crowned with glory and honor.” Yes, by God’s grace, Jesus tasted death for everyone. To answer your question in regard to the above points
It is the exaltation of our Lord’s human nature that is here chiefly intended, in union, however, with the divine. The authority and power intended is that which Christ exercises as Son of man and Mediator; but it is evident, if he did not possess all divine perfections, he could not exercise it.
To show his divine perfection and see that he is God look at col 2:9. Let's see what Paul says
Col 2: 9 Berean Study Bible For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form.
This verse puts an end to this debate. Do u understand the meaning of Deity. It says all the fullness of deity existing in human body.
But for him to be man he emptied himself. So as man he was given all authority and power.
My broda forget u no know nytyn. Read Ur bible so you can be cured and leave that secret cult u call a church Who gave him back all what he emptied ? He was given!!! It says ALL authority in heaven and earth has been given me . please open your eyes to " IN HEAVEN ". Not just man earthly authority but Authority in heaven was given too. Romans 11:36 says the one in that verse cannot be given anything. Secondly, I gave you 1Cor 15:27 for a reason to open your dull reasoning " Next, ... he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father " The one in Romans 11:36 cannot be given anything talkless of returning it to anyone. Jesus is not the one in Romans 11:36 , But the Father . who cannot be given anything So clearly the Father made someone by himself without any agent ( it says through the Father himself ) . Who is that person ? |
Religion / Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Jozzy4: 10:43am On Apr 26, 2020 |
Brainwashed freshboi88:
New International Version For from him and through him and for him are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen.
New Living Translation For everything comes from him and exists by his power and is intended for his glory. All glory to him forever! Amen.
English Standard Version For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen.
Berean Study Bible For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever! Amen.
Berean Literal Bible For from Him and through Him and unto Him are all things. To Him be the glory to the ages! Amen.
New American Standard Bible For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen.
New King James Version For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.
King James Bible For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
Christian Standard Bible For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be the glory forever. Amen.
Contemporary English Version Everything comes from the Lord. All things were made because of him and will return to him. Praise the Lord forever! Amen.
Good News Translation For all things were created by him, and all things exist through him and for him. To God be the glory forever! Amen.
Holman Christian Standard Bible For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen.
International Standard Version For all things are from him, by him, and for him. Glory belongs to him forever! Amen.
NET Bible For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever! Amen.
New Heart English Bible For from him and by him and in him are all things. To him be the glory for ever. Amen.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English Because all is from him, and in him, and all is by him, that to him would be praises and blessings to the eternity of eternities. Amen.
GOD'S WORD® Translation Everything is from him and by him and for him. Glory belongs to him forever! Amen!
New American Standard 1977 For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen.
King James 2000 Bible For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory forever. Amen.
American King James Version For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
American Standard Version For of him, and through him, and unto him, are all things. To him be the glory for ever. Amen.
Douay-Rheims Bible For of him, and by him, and in him, are all things: to him be glory for ever. Amen.
Darby Bible Translation For of him, and through him, and for him [are] all things: to him be glory for ever. Amen.
English Revised Version For of him, and through him, and unto him, are all things. To him be the glory for ever. Amen.
Webster's Bible Translation For from him, and by him, and to him are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
Weymouth New Testament For the universe owes its origin to Him, was created by Him, and has its aim and purpose in Him. To Him be the glory throughout the Ages! Amen.
World English Bible For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things. To him be the glory for ever! Amen.
Young's Literal Translation because of Him, and through Him, and to Him are the all things; to Him is the glory -- to the ages. Amen.
This are all the translations I could find. Pls where did u see the Father there? This verse mirrors col 1:16
English Standard Version Col 1:16For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.
Who is col 1:16 talking bout, the Father or the Son?... When u answer and see the similarity between both u will then see that u have been deceived.
Firstly, Ur translation carelessly put Father there to deceive u. Go through all other translations there is nothing like that, Not 1.
Secondly there is no where in the bible that says God created Jesus first and used him to create other things. If u read col 1:16, John 1:3 and this Romans 11:36 and many other verses that say the same thing.
If I were u, I will demand all the money I have given to awake to continue to spread fake doctrine, repent, get baptized and give my life to Jesus. Our Lord and Our God!
To protect a LIE , U need more lies ... You committed another blunder by lying that Romans 11:36 is describing Jesus. Okay let us look at verse 35 . its the key Romans 11:35 , 36 says concerning him " OR who has first GIVEN HIM, so that it must be repaid to him Because FROM HIM and THROUGH HIM are all things. " The verse says the person described here has never been given anything. And will never repay to anyone. Was Jesus given anything ? Let's start from Matthew 28:19,20. Was Jesus given anything In that verse ? 1corinthians 15:27 Jesus RETURNING the Kingdom to his Father , did Jesus return what he was given here again ? Tell me how Romans 11:36 refer to Jesus . 1 Like 1 Share |
Religion / Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Jozzy4: 9:50am On Apr 26, 2020 |
freshboi88:
How does Romans 11:39 help Ur pitiable situation?
Yeah the pitiable situation you are that kept you running around just for you to tell why Adam and other heavenly beings are called " Sons of God "
..... You r beginning to sound desperate. Can u xplain how Roman 11:39 shows the Father creating Jesus
Romans 11:36 said All things came from the Father , THROUGH the Father , and for him. Through the Father shows that there is someone or something the Father made himself without any agent. Who is that person ? 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Jozzy4: 9:47am On Apr 26, 2020 |
Perfectbeing:
Your bible has Romans 11:39? Romans 11:36 , the point still stands Romans 11:36 says the Father made all things THROUGH himself. He needed no Jesus to made all things. Question: What was Made through The Father to make this claim ? 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Jozzy4: 8:20am On Apr 26, 2020 |
freshboi88: Jehovah Witnesses want us to believe that Jesus is God's first creature. They quote the part of scripture that says Jesus is the first born of all God's creature.
I have just 1 verse from the bible that ridicules that false teaching.
John 1:3 God created everything through Jesus and nothing was made without him
Going by this scripture, God used Jesus to create Jesus since Jesus is God's creature and nothing was created without Jesus
I guess they have never reasoned this part of the scripture. The Father made Jesus THROUGH HIMSELF - Romans 11:39 exposed you here. If you say he needed to Jesus to create Jesus . then answer Me, what exactly was created THROUGH the Father ? Cos that shows the Father himself was the agent for a certain creation. |
Religion / Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Jozzy4: 8:18am On Apr 26, 2020 |
freshboi88:
I know wht u upto, u just want to revenge....hit my church!!!.... because I have finished urs. Adeboye is a man just like u. He is not infallible. The people who claim infallibility like the Jwits are hypocrites and the fake one. By their fruit we shall know them After running away from why Jesus was called Son of God like Adam and the angels ... Why are they all " Sons " ? You can't escape it. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Jozzy4: 8:15am On Apr 26, 2020 |
Perfectbeing:
When I say I built something by myself what does that statement means?
And you quoted Gen 1:27 while cleverly skipping verse 26 (...let Us make man in our own image...) Explain..
And no the word didn't create the father. The word and the father are the same Romans 11:39 says the Father made all things THROUGH himself. He needed no Jesus to made all things. Question: What was Made through The Father to make this claim ? 1 Like |
Romance / Re: Runs Girls Are Getting Better Husbands Than Church Girls - Lady by Jozzy4: 4:43pm On Apr 23, 2020 |
Liliantalks: a man cheating doesn’t mean he’s not happily married , just so u know . Cheating is cool then. All the best |
Religion / Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Jozzy4: 4:14pm On Apr 23, 2020 |
freshboi88:
Clap for yourself...u don make sense abi?... Shame don leave u dey catch me for u.
First thing first, is God human?...is it wise to apply the analogy of humans to God?
Secondly does this Ur quack theory confirm to other verses of scripture?... No!.
If it does, how does it apply here?
16For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things [/b]have been created through him and for him. 17He is [b]before all things, and in him all things hold together
Respond to how a created been applied to the bolded in the verse Okay, at highlighted what does it mean to be a Son of God ? Revelation 2:18 Jesus called " Son of God " |
Religion / Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Jozzy4: 4:00pm On Apr 23, 2020 |
freshboi88:
Of course Isaac was born, so is Isaac the only begotten son of God? Isaac was born just like other sons of Abraham. Been called only begotten doesn't change this. Good , likewise Jesus was created too like other sons of God. The title" son of God " is only applied to someone that God created. E.g Adam |
Religion / Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Jozzy4: 3:43pm On Apr 23, 2020 |
freshboi88:
I doubt u read my post hence u called it copy and paste. If u cannot read, how will u understand. No wonder you lack understanding. Now this time, read it again and ask the Holy Spirit to guide u. He would take the scales off Ur eyes just as scales fell from the eyes of Paul formerly known as saul I didn't read and I color some parts. .. You are dubious . your post admit the only begotten was applied to Isaac too, question is : Isaac is unique but does that mean Isaac wasn't born like other sons of Abraham ? Answer that sincerely |
Romance / Re: Runs Girls Are Getting Better Husbands Than Church Girls - Lady by Jozzy4: 3:42pm On Apr 23, 2020 |
ibkayee:
I don't know the stats on this but I know for a fact that their married male counterparts do the same thing That's just it ... |
Romance / Re: Runs Girls Are Getting Better Husbands Than Church Girls - Lady by Jozzy4: 3:41pm On Apr 23, 2020 |
lefulefu: and the funny thing is that they still cheat on their husbands Thank you for this point |
Romance / Re: Runs Girls Are Getting Better Husbands Than Church Girls - Lady by Jozzy4: 3:40pm On Apr 23, 2020 |
Liliantalks: these same possibilities r the reason decent girls r decent , n still don’t gain nothing from it Keep shut. All these unfaithful married men we have up and down are married to this same bad girls isn't it ? We all know what's going on. To you they dont gain anything because marriage is an achievement. Marriage itself is not an achievement been happily married is . and you and I know faithful men in this generation are so few ... Those better guys are according to you married to this same runs girls . I wonder why we still have cheating men everywhere |
Romance / Re: Runs Girls Are Getting Better Husbands Than Church Girls - Lady by Jozzy4: 3:37pm On Apr 23, 2020 |
Liliantalks: small small girls kee ? We talking of women in general, woman wey quick spoil enter street meet better guys, look at Jemena for example opening her body everywhere, is happily married Your mouth like happily married .. They are always happily married until kasala burst on social media . someone like you would have said same about tonto dike and churchill |
Religion / Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Jozzy4: 3:05pm On Apr 23, 2020 |
Emusan:
I've told you never you ask question when you didn't answer my question first!
What are the THINGS that passed through Jesus if you know?
ALL THINGS(Jesus included-acxording to you) THROUGH THE FATHER now the scripture says the SAME ALL THINGS passed through Jesus.
Isn't this an evidence that Jesus was the one who created Himself?
If only you have sense to comprehend . you will have realize that the word " Through the Father " showed what came through the Father was done by himself. He himself was the agent for that creation and that Creation belong to him
We should ask you this, you're the one who claimed! 1. Father created Jesus first 2. Then Jesus was used to create other things
But what did scripture say?
The Bible says, ALL THINGS (Jesus included-according to you) from Father passed through Jesus! Isn't this evident that Jesus passed through Himself?
Recheck passed THROUGH the FATHER . the Father was the very agent for a certain creation If Jesus was the agent needed for all, The Father being an agent would be a LIE. For what creation was the Father an agent ? That's the bone of contention And if what came through the Father was responsible for other creations , then it means all came from the Father , through him and for him. Through him because that person he made was the agent that brought other creations.
Waoooooo Mr delusion.
Waters FILL THE SEA again
Firstly, you lied and I've been trying to correct you but you're very stubborn to correction.
Job didn't mention WATERS but SEAS which is the reason I even went further to explain the meaning of the choice words used by both JOB and Genesis
Job fits into the six creative days because the USAGE of seas shows different from the body of WATERS GOD CREATED SEAS from in Gen 1:1
It was in Gen 1:10 that God called the gathering of the waters SEAS and according to STRONG the meaning of seas deals with violent which is what Job 38 alluded to because Job 38 says "BURST OUT" this is an act of force or violent.
Only children play hide and seek which is the evidence that you people are not intelligent.
You just confirmd my point
God called gathering of water sea . not that he birth the waters of the sea . in Genesis the water already existed. But Job 38 says God brought the water of the sea to existence. This is where you are wrong.
Who, The Bible or your deluded brother?
Just know that you haven't answered my question yet
You claim Father dwell in eternity before heaven and earth. Show me where it says the Father dwell in eternity ? |
Religion / Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Jozzy4: 2:54pm On Apr 23, 2020 |
freshboi88:
Oga truth will always triumph over your lies.
Now Learn.....if not for the fact that I am opening your eyes to the truth, you would have paid me for teaching u.
John 3:16 teaches that Jesus is God's "only begotten Son" (King James Version). What does this mean?
The Greek term translated "only begotten" is monogenes, a word used nine times in the New Testament that can mean one of a kind or unique. For example, Luke uses the term three times to refer to an only child (Luke 7:12; 8:42; 9:38).
The writer of Hebrews uses the term to refer to Isaac, the only son of Abraham and Sarah, the son of the promise (Hebrews 11:17). Modern translations generally translate monogenes in John 3:16 as "one and only Son" or "only Son" to reflect this definition.
But does this mean Jesus was somehow born or created by God the Father? It does not. Instead, the emphasis is on Jesus as one in unique relationship with the Father. The Bible often uses Father and Son with God and Jesus to explain their relationship in terms we can better understand as humans, but this does not mean Jesus was created by God the Father.
Other passages in the Bible make this very clear. For example, John 1:1-3 states, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made." Colossians 1:15-17 also emphasizes Jesus creating all things.
The use of monogenes in John 3:16 is similar to what is seen in other passages of Scripture to refer to Jesus as unique. For example, John 1:14 shares, "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth." John 1:18 includes, "No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known." John 3:18 adds, "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God." First John 4:9 notes, "In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him."
I have given you supporting verses to backup for u to see that the bible cannot lie. If ur story is not consistent throughout scripture, then it is wrong.
Now I ask u, contradict this is scripture and stop going round in circles You see the copy and paste you did didn't help you ... Does been one and only exclude Isaac from been born ? You are a liar. The truth is getting clear. Son of God title is for created beings. Father precede son 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Jozzy4: 2:50pm On Apr 23, 2020 |
Emusan:
Liar who claimed a writer can't be an Author when the source that himself quoted says otherwise.
Now you're getting more confused.
The same ALL THINGS were created THROUGH HIM and for HIM... that's Jesus!
There must be a competition between the The Father and Jesus since they're struggling who will win this ALL THINGS!
BUT ALL THINGS CREATED was also for HIM Jesus which which means Jesus belongs to HIMSELF
This is getting interesting!
Don't divert our attention to another thing.
If ALL THINGS ARE THROUGH HIM AND FOR HIM--That is Jesus! According to your logic it means Jesus belongs to HIMSELF.
That's the point!
because you're trying to include Jesus in ALL THINGS that came from the Father but EXCLUDED the same Jesus from the SAME ALL THINGS that passed through Him!
" and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God." 1Corinthians 3:23 Christ is included in the all things created for the Father . But not the same for Jesus. By means of Jesus his own property, ALL Things Came from the Father , through the Father ( he needed no Jesus to create Jesus , made him through himself) and FOR HIM . Even Christ So the highlighted was your mistake. Learn again.
I've corrected your ignorance in my post above.
Job didn't use WATERS but seas
Lying liar...
What is in the seas ? Job mention the birth of this water in the sea itself. , something not mentioned in Genesis creative days. |
Religion / Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Jozzy4: 11:03am On Apr 23, 2020 |
freshboi88: Jehovah Witnesses want us to believe that Jesus is God's first creature. They quote the part of scripture that says Jesus is the first born of all God's creature.
I have just 1 verse from the bible that ridicules that false teaching.
John 1:3 God created everything through Jesus and nothing was made without him
Going by this scripture, God used Jesus to create Jesus since Jesus is God's creature and nothing was created without Jesus
I guess they have never reasoned this part of the scripture. The final scripture that will expose your lies is Romans 11:39 . Something or someone was made THROUGH God the Father . without Jesus. What exactly is that person or thing ? |
Religion / Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Jozzy4: 11:01am On Apr 23, 2020 |
Emusan:
Your own source was there for everyone to see how a lying liar can never repent. So I don't need to waste my time on that.
Like I said , Good u are learning
Tell us the ALL THINGS that came through the Father that was different from ALL THINGS that came through Jesus.
Stop being stupid and next time if you don't answer question(s) never ask me any question.
Romans 11:39 all things came from him , THROUGH HIM and For him. The difference is What came through the Father included Jesus and everything else from Jesus . If you look at that " FOR HIM " it included Jesus because Jesus belong to the Father too being his creation. But in the case of Jesus when it says all things are through him and for him . it doesnt include the Father.
In case you forget let me remind you again,
Job 38 was part of the six creative days not part of the first CREATION of Gen 1:1
I showed you that the marginal reference your confused organization cited was Gen 1:9 which happens under the six creative days! So Job 38 perfectly fits into the six creative days not the FIRST CREATION of Gen 1:1
Which I even attached a quote of your deluded organization that shows Gen 1:1 is totally different from the six creative days!
Evidently, Job 38 can't be part of Gen 1:1
So, there is ONLY ONE EVENT THAT HAPPENED AT THE BEGINNING which is Genesis 1:1 for "In the BEGINNING God created the heavens and the earth"
So both Jesus, (angels since you liar have added that), and heavens and the earth can both be created in the beginning unless you will agree that they were all created SIMULTANEOUSLY
Bible told us what was CREATED in the BEGINNING it's lying liar like you, the twister of the word of God that says No! Bible was wrong, Jesus and Angels were first created.
Calm down, Job 38 mentioned the Creation of the waters that fill the sea. Contrary to your lies that earth automatically has water . the Bible saysit was God that covered it with water after he has established its foundation. ( the same foundation of the earth itself the angels witness at Job 38 4-7 ) Genesis creative days never included the birth of waters of the sea. |
Religion / Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Jozzy4: 10:34am On Apr 23, 2020 |
Emusan:
Didn't something PASSED THROUGH Jesus also?
What is the difference between ALL THINGS that passed through the Father from ALL THINGS that passed through Jesus?
We know what passed through Jesus . but what passed through the Father himself .. Jesus ? Or was scripture lying the Father made something without using Jesus ?
You didn't answer that as you stylishly boycotted it.
Liar!
You will soon shot yourself in the foot!
No!
So Job 38 cannot refer to creative days . Job 38 mention birth of the waters that fill the sea.
Liar like his father the devil...
You're trying to confuse us but I'm smarter than you and I won't allow that to happen.
I asked, where was Jesus and the angels live since heaven hasn't been created? And we all know that ALL CREATED BEINGS need a SPACE TO OCCUPY
Your deluded brother says with the Father, then he asked me where was the Father before heaven was created which I reply ETERNITY!
He can't object this since the scripture attest to it that the Father lives in eternity.
And we also know that ONLY AN ETERNAL BEING lives in ETERNITY!
Now since you people claimed both Jesus and the Angels joined the Father in ETERNITY?
It then means they are all ETERNAL too, I know you can't with this, yet you still want us to agree with your shallow mind that BOTH CREATED JESUS and The Angels were all EXIST before the CREATION OF HEAVENS.
You haven't answered my question until then I'll answer you.
You are not smart , Barrister was playing hide and seek with you Show me where it says the Father LIVES in eternity ? Then we come back to was Jesus God the son then ? I love where we are in this discussion |
Religion / Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Jozzy4: 10:27am On Apr 23, 2020 |
Emusan:
You're still twisting your own source....
I know you will never have sense till you die
No reply .. Nice one. Next time dont make that blunder again. There is human writers not human authors for the Bible. Good you are learning
So how does ALL THINGS which come through the Father different from ALL THINGS that come through Jesus?
FATHER and Jesus are different persons .. If one of them came through the other . then the statement is valid. But if none of them came through another but are separate , Then what exactly came through the Father too ? Another display of ignorance! The creation of earth in Gen 1:1 contains the WATERS , why the SEAS is the product of the SIX CREATIVE DAYS
Get that into your empty skull
So which one came first, the creation of the heavens and the earth Gen 1:1 or the six creative days?
because if seas which is a product of six creative days (which your confused organization attested to) suddenly came out of womb again then it's either you lack understanding of that verse or you just decided to be a perpetual liar like your father devil.
I said it , You lack knowledge . Psalm 104:5,6 He has established the earth on its foundations ( the foundations mentioned in Job 38 . You see your life) ... YOU COVERED IT WITH DEEP WATERS as with a garment . The waters stood above the mountains So the waters was made AFTER he established the earth on its foundations together with mountains created also within the waters . So The water was BIRTH after God laid the foundation of the earth ! Job 38 is correct the events precede Creative days. |
Religion / Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Jozzy4: 10:06am On Apr 23, 2020 |
Emusan:
Now you've jumped to Roman
How does the ALL THINGS(Jesus included) who came from the Father different from ALL THINGS (Jesus included) through Jesus?
Is it the same ALL THINGS that passed through the Father that ALSO PASSED through Jesus or the are different?
Father and Jesus are different persons . Something Passed through the Father which made him the one through whom all things came . Who or what was made through the Father ?
See the face of a liar once again,
So how can a sea that happened in SIX CREATIVE DAYS suddenly came to existence later?
Like I said, ignorance couple with lies are the main problem that you people have.
I've showed you that Job 38 was part of the SIX CREATIVE DAYS yet your deluded mind couldn't grasp it.
Can you create what already exists ?
What is the rationale behind a created beings exist in ETERNITY?
Only an eternal being can exists in ETERNITY, do you mean both Jesus and the Angels are eternal?
These are the questions I've been asking you idiots since!
The entire live in eternity was coined by you. So deal with it , Jehovah , Jesus and the angels precede creation. Of heaven and earth , so that made them all in your eternity . are Jesus and the angels not all Sons ( creations) of this Father.? The question now is : Is Jesus God the son in this eternity ? |
Religion / Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Jozzy4: 9:49am On Apr 23, 2020 |
Janosky:
Matthew 28:18 Jesus said to them: "All authority have been given to me in heaven and on the earth" Na Jesus Christ talk am, do you believe his statement?
Who gave Jesus Christ the authority everywhere?
Rev 17:14 = Matthew 28:18. That's how to study the Bible with understanding.
I have answered your question.
Please answer the 6 Bible based questions. I know you have spiritual knowledge of heavenly things in the Bible.
Don't DODGE , Please.
Janosky' have 6 questions to ask you:
Let's see how honest you are and test your integrity .....
Bros, Please answer questions 1 to 6.
1) Isaac is One and only ,begotten son. How is Isaac the one and only begotten son ?
2) Don't you think Isaac's begotten son status meant something , the same as Jesus one and only begotten status ?
3) Now we go know whether you really love Jesus. Whose God and whose Father is Jesus Christ ascending to?
4) When he was on earth,who did Jesus Christ instruct you to worship?
5) Rev1:1, in heaven, God gave Jesus the Revelation , who did God's Revelation to Jesus says you should worship?
6) 1 Cor8:5, who are the Lords and Theos in heaven and earth?
Before you attack me or my post,please answer the 6 questions... grin
Oshe gaan. The six questions will expose him. Emusan himself is still struggling to wrap creation of the waters in the sea to Genesis 1. while avoiding the Son of God discussion like plague 1 Like |