rottennaija:

Yes, idiotic fellow, and you have elders... Do we now have Elderly spirits? Fool

Genesis 5:2 What he creates from Dust he called HUMANS

rev 21:3,4 says HUMANS

Humans are flesh and blood. The reference is earth . anything flesh and blood cannot go to heaven.


Stupid man

rottennaija:


When you provide the scriptures I asked for, you can quote me

Are u this empty ?

rottennaija:


As I remember correctly, I asked you a nomenclature for it and you won't provide any. So coined a word for it. Go back to the thread and learn

Stupid person. Anything human is flesh and blood.

rottennaija:


Keep deluding yourself. Last last, you will die, buried and nothing will happen. Russel deceived many, died and nothing happened. Rutherford came, deceive many even more and died nothing happened. 1975 came and went, Fred Franz for his over ambition and wild imagination wrote many books, JWs believed, Las las! He died and was buried. Nothing happened, his writings allotted its place in the dustbin.

The last gb came with this generation nonsense. The generation all died! Nothing happened. This present one is coming up with overlapping nonsense, last last! They will die, nothing will happen.

Its all a comforting illusion. Nothing more, they writings are not worth the ink it's written in. Las las, you will die with a comforting illusion, the next generation of JWs will change every doctrine and believe their own. As long as they do not go back to the original Bible teaching, nothing is going to happen.

So! Maximus69, keep deceiving yourself. Las las, nothing will happen.

All the false hope will fail as they always do.

So u still have mouth to talk after fooling yourself on Nairaland with human spirit being and humans but not flesh and blood BLUNDERS shows you don't know shit about what u talking about. Its even interesting that your JWFACT author renounce believe in the bible as Gods word. Satanic influence at work.

The people you are attacking Are by Far better since they have full belief that Jesus statement about this generation cannot go unfulfilled, they diligently try to study and see what those words meant. I know If I ask you now that do you have a better understanding , You CANT PRODUCE ANY. That means you are empty

rottennaija:


Lol, what assignment? You kept referring to a place in the bible but cannot point to it? Is that one talk?

I asked again! Which part of the bible are you referring to when speaking about Gethsemane? Point me to it and make your point.

So you are this ignorant of how that Greek word was used at Gethsemane, Remain like that or search it yourself .

rottennaija:


Bros, Quote the scriptures you are referring to.

I can't do your assignment for you. Cross check then come back to talk.

rottennaija:


Funny that when speaking about Gethsemane, you don't actually quote the verse. What was is the context of 1 Co 15:31 - 58

Did they die or fell in deep sleep for considerable period of time at Gethsemane ?? Start from there.

Your no death position violate Revelation 20:6 which says those who will reign with Christ must have a part in First ressurection

rottennaija:


How were these same words applied to Jesus disciples in Gethsemane? And most importantly, did it have the same context what Paul was discussing in 1 Co 15?

The context was they were in a deep sleep., the exact same thing Paul was saying some who will go to heaven and reign with Christ won't do due to their instant resurrection.

Revelation 20:6 clarified this enough

Maximus69:


Jozzy, be warned o!

You're discussing with a pure Apostate!

Just check his profile and see all the nonsense and ingredients he's been trying to do. Searching for LOVERS up and down on social media.
I'm sure his parents must have tried to get him a Christian sister but since he's not stable in the truth, who will go for him?
So no matter what you say or prove from the scriptures, all he wants to tell you is that God's organization is evil but he can't point to any better group!

He is deluded .

rottennaija:


Jozzy4, this is where the real illusion is...
1 Corinthians 15:51 But let me tell you a wonderful secret God has revealed to us. Not all of us will die, but we will all be transformed.

You see the above? Not all of us will die? But will be transformed? That's where your real illusion is.

The same word was applied to Jesus disciples at Gethsemane, they are dead ?

That word does not mean Die. ( Rev 20:6 death and first resurrection is compulsory to reign with Christ )

Check below from Jesus also

St. Matthew 24:40 "Two men will be working together in the field; one will be taken, the other left.
St. Matthew 24:41 Two women will be grinding flour at the mill; one will be taken, the other left.

I don't get how this prove a rapture, righteous taken, wicked left ... Does that mean Only the wicked are left on the earth ? Rev 21:3,4 is still there for you .

Jozzy4:


So if a spirit is given human attributes , it becomes Human ? Is God human ? Can you call God an human spirit being ?

I never knew u are this very Deluded

Maximus69 u can visit this thread and see how deluded rottennaija is, Human spirit being , humans with no flesh and blood . he is one deluded fellow

rottennaija:


Because watchtower deceived you into believing that Christ presence began in 1914. That's why. In the days of Russel, their deceptiom was that christ presence began in 1874.

Each generation of JWs have their own level of deception, an illusion to keep then going on the treadmill.

U probably subscribed to the Jesus will raise the saints twice idea some persons propagate on this thread. U are living in delusion

rottennaija:


I asked you resurrection, you are talking about first resurrection. Did you see first resurrection in the scriptures I quoted?

You are answering an unasked question.

See this one sha.

So which resurrection was Paul discussing at 1 Corinthians 15 ?

rottennaija:

Jozzy4, please look at the cited scriptures again

1 Corinthians 15:51 But let me tell you a wonderful secret God has revealed to us. Not all of us will die, but we will all be transformed.

1 Corinthians 15:52 It will happen in a moment, in the blinking of an eye, when the last trumpet is blown. For when the trumpet sounds, the Christians who have died will be raised with transformed bodies. And then we who are living will be transformed so that we will never die.

1 Corinthians 15:53 For our perishable earthly bodies must be transformed into heavenly bodies that will never die.

Jozzy4, please take a good look at the bolded.
1 Co 15:51 says simply "Not all of us will die, but we will all be transformed" . Then verse 52 says, "the Christians who have died will be raised with transformed bodies. And then we who are living will be transformed so that we will never die"


Let me ask you, is Resurrection the same as to be transformed?

First Resurrection is the medium through which they are transformed to rule with Christ . ( Revelation 20:6)

Emusan, how many times did I call you ? You are making a fool of yourself big time

Emusan:


If other remain in the grave then it's a fraudulent act to apply 1 Thess 4 to that...

because the account of 1 Thess 4 is so straight forward except to the liar liar JWs...

I'll tell you to read it slowly on your own without using watchtower by that you can get cure.

You that have read it slowly says the Good will be ressurected twice , are they killed to be raised a second time ? Are u sure u are even cured yourself ?

Hell is a temporary place for the wicked

See this deluded man, Still repeating the point I made. Was it not a certain Judgement that render them worthy of this hell ? So any need for a second/Correctional judgement again if there were no errors in the first??

while Abraham's Bossom is the temporary place for the righteous because the spirit of man lives on after death,

Second resurrection if for FINAL JUDGMENT where even HELL ITSELF will be thrown into the lake of FIRE!

Is that too hard for you to comprehend

Barristter07 carry your guy o


Rev 20:13-15

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


Emusan, There was error in the first Judgment ba as the book of life needed to be Checked again ? Some were actually found written in the book of life after UNJUSTLY sent to Hell ??

Eeyah

Emusan:


This is the lie your brother lied against me
"....THE SAME JESUS WILL STILL RAISE THE ALREADY RESURRECTED SAINTS"

This was my challenge to him:
Where did I say THE SAME JESUS WILL STILL RAISE THE ALREADY RESURRECTED SAINTS?

I'm still waiting for you or your brother to proof me wrong by providing the link where I said that and if you can't then you know what you are, a liar and false accuser like your father The Devil

You are deluded .

Your post says Jesus is coming to ressurect TWO times. Funny enough the saints will be ressurected twice. Are you this silly ?

Emusan:


Idiotic person.....

Is the resurrection to heaven as spirit being not happening now?

Are people still not leaving in their grave also during this Christ presence when 1 Thess 4 supposed to be for event that will happen at Christ presence which should only be for quick/instant resurrection

First resurrection is for Those that will reign with Christ .. Not everyone . u sha read Rev 20:6. So others remain in their graves biko


Come and explain the wicked getting final judgement part of your post o, was there mistake/error in former Judgment they were assumed to have gotten when they died and were sent to hell ?

Emusan:


Where did I say THE SAME JESUS WILL STILL RAISE THE ALREADY RESURRECTED SAINTS?

If you can't provide the link then you know what you are, a liar and false accuser like your father The Devil

who are the saints/good people that will be raised in your second point ?

achorladey:


You should have added that I should ponder on #U NO WELL# too. Hahahahaha

Two destinations ... Chop am

achorladey:



Love where I push you reach. Hahahahaha at least you have seen the motive I join the thread. You have the opportunity to ponder over all that have been said whenever you have the time.

I love repeating this part of your post U NO WELL........please don't read this. Hahahahaha

Also ponder over the saying that Christ will come and catch away all the saints as first resurrection , and will again ressurect them for the second time in the general/second resurrection of Saints and unrighteous.



Also ponder over the fact that there was a mistake/ ERROR in the first hellfire judgement so the wicked would have to be raised and Judged again in the final judgement to determine their destination .

Alot of things for you to learn so far man

achorladey:



Love where I push you reach. Hahahahaha at least you have seen the motive I join the thread. You have the opportunity to ponder over all that have been said whenever you have the time.

I love repeating this part of your post U NO WELL........please don't read this. Hahahahaha

Yeah that your post admitting two destination will forever haunt you

achorladey:


Agree with WHAT? You read and can't even understand what is contained in there. You want him to EMBRACE speculation and assumptions like the....... POSSIBLY, MAYBE, CANNOT DIRECTLY CONFIRM, IT SEEMS.......

Isn't it funny that the guy that mess you up this way don't even believe in the Bible as Gods word ?

achorladey:


TWO DESTINATION and TWO HOPES you mean to SAY abi? Your brother can't even answer the question raised in the WATCHTOWER



Here it is AGAIN


What TWO HOPES are to be found AMONG CHRISTIANS TODAY, and why are the “OTHER SHEEP” INTERESTED in the HOPE the ANOINTED entertain?

2 Christians living at this time of the end focus their attention on ONE of TWO HOPES. The remaining members of the “little flock” of anointed Christians have the hope of immortal life in heaven as kings and priests with Christ in his Kingdom. (Luke 12:32; Rev. 5:9, 10) The far more numerous “great crowd” of “other sheep” share the hope of living forever on a paradise earth as subjects of the Messianic Kingdom. (Rev. 7:9, 10; John 10:16) The OTHER SHEEP should NEVER forget that their SALVATION DEPENDS on their active support of Christ’s anointed “brothers” still on earth. (Matt. 25:34-40) The anointed will enter into their reward, but the hope of the other sheep will just as certainly be fulfilled. (Read Hebrews 11:39, 40.) First, let us examine the hope set before the anointed.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2012205


To show you and THE organization loves DIVERTING the SCRIPTURES they CAN'T quote Titus here neither Ephesians 4:4 was CITED in this particular PARAGRAPH

and please look at the QUESTION for the PARAGRAPH.....why are the “OTHER SHEEP” INTERESTED in the HOPE the ANOINTED entertain?

Oga Jozzy4 does that RING A BELL? Are we STILL talking ABOUT one HOPE or TWO HOPES? Hahahaha

and they WENT FURTHER BY STATING this.......

The OTHER SHEEP(other NON ANOINTED Jws) should NEVER FORGET that their salvation( THEIR HOPE OF EVERLASTING LIFE) depends on their active support of CHRIST’S anointed “brothers”(THOSE WHO HOPE to GO TO Heaven according to JWS) still on earth.

Yet Jozzy4 will comeback and tell they both have ONE HOPE.

Well what do I KNOW, I am a FRAUDSTER hahahahahaha.

' Irrespective of their DESTINATION ( HEAVEN OR EARTH ' - achorladey

You are both saying the same thing.

frank317:


What exactly is the use of this believe in achieving ur daily goal... If u don't understand the question do not bother to answer with off point

Let me highlight just two .. I would have been a chronic womanizer , desperate man pursuing skirt all around and used by women as ATM . unfaithful Father causing heartbreak to his wife and kids with his reckless behaviours. Studying Gods word the Bible Made Me wiser . I live a decent lifestyle , No fear of STD, I don't go through the stress of hearing a lady say " I am pregnant " . So my finance is stable and even ladies admire me even when I don't seek their attention for my been disciplined.


I tend to pursue peace with all men too as the bible advised . Leading to more increased personal relationship with people, have seen people help my career all because of my Character.

Not bragging, its Because God taught me.


" Your commandments make me wiser " Psalm 119:98

johnydon22:
Doesn't this premisw suggest that God too must then require something acting to bring it into existence since God is something and your premise says Nothing can exist except caused

Thats why he is God. If he needed something to make him exist, then he isn't.

How do you recognize design?

Let me illustrate with Key and padlock ... U will call that a design ? Now compare the human sex organs and tell me its not a design

Janosky , Barristter07 , Maximus69

Kindly read the below and see where the word second coming led this guys

https://www.gotquestions.org/resurrection-first-second.html

Very hilarious .

achorladey:


Thank you!

The point below simply means

the GB of JWs and those EATING THE EMBLEMS at the MEMORIAL of christ death(which the JWS see as the ANOINTED ONES) get RESURRECTION in twinkling of an eye UPON DEATH while those still ALIVE wait for THEIR TIME TO DIE, the reason you see THEM trying hard to HANG on to Revelation 20:6. Should they decide to drop REV 20:6 they know their CHRIST INVISIBLE PRESENCE comes to NOTHING and their BELIEFs concerning 1 Thessa comes to NONSENSE.

Therefore rephrasing point 6 it becomes

"6. Which means as some JWs will die some will be quickly resurrected( aka THE BORN AGAINS/ THE Governing body/ THE ANOINTED JWS) while the rest will be left ASLEEP in the grave (THE GREAT CROWD OF OTHER SHEEP or NON ANOINTED JWS)...."

Does that mean that scripture expose you as a fraudster ?

Maximus69:


Please Mr Emusan, if the FIRST RESURRECTION means catching away of the saints (good ones) for the event of AntiChrist.
Does that mean the good have been resurrected?
Because your second sentence somehow seems confusing.
WHY?
The saints (righteous) have been resurrected and taken away, so it means the second resurrection should be pure for only the wicked and not for both the good and the wicked again, since all the good ones have been resurrected during the first resurrection.
Please i'll wish you to clarify that!

That one na case lol . but look again:

he even said the wicked will be raised for final judgement , the same person believed they are already judged to hell when they die. In essence , it means there was an ERROR / MISTAKE in the first judgement , seeking an appeal through the second judgement that's why I call Emusan a comedian

Barristter07:


Coming from a deluded fellow who claimed first ressurection is when Jesus comes and caught away the saints , Yet Jesus will still raise The already ressurected saints again a second time at the general ressurection. Makes you question his sanity

If the only thing u gain on this thread is that ressurection is important for all whom will reign with Christ a thousand years. It will do you much good.

achorladey:


Thank you for eventually accepting JWs BELIEVE in TWO HOPES for CHRISTIANS

Acholardey believed same. As evidence by that quote.

even WHEN the scriptures states CLEARLY ONE.

' Irrespective of their destination ( heaven or earth ' - acholardey

Emusan:


For the last time....
The first resurrection is catching away of the saints from the event of Antichrist....

Then there will be resurrection of both the good and the wicked for final judgment....the judgement of the Saints will be their rewards...

I said it, what you people lack is Sunday school lecture....

My friend go for Sunday school tomorrow

Both dead and alive are included in the caughting away by first ressurection ?

Emusan:


For the last time....
The first resurrection is catching away of the saints from the event of Antichrist....

After the catching away would now come back for judgment ba ? . I thought the verse says " we shall always be with the Lord "

Then there will be resurrection of both the good and the wicked for final judgment....the judgement of the Saints will be their rewards...

I said it, what you people lack is Sunday school lecture....

My friend go for Sunday school tomorrow

This ya judgement dey amaze me o ,

So those caught away will be.killed again to be ressurected again ? Cos I don't get why some saints are still in the grave when Jesus was raising the dead again.

Wicked final judgement ? Hahahaba I thought they are judged when they die, to check if there was a mistake in the previous judgment ba ?