Maximus69:


I have found the GROUP practicing pure worship (JWs) and the LOVE, JOY and PEACE in their midst is obvious to my own family, presently few of them are seriously studying the Bible with JWs.
Please what GROUP are you presenting before daddy and mommy?

He has nothing to offer them ...

Just as Jwfact as nothing to offer rottennaija , paulgrundy the owner of the website himself doesn't see the bible as Gods word, that's the path he choose to follow. One of the ideas sold to him by paulgrundy is The reason you see him somersaulting on this thread.

Peacefullove:


Your IQ just Keep dropping, So animals exist in heaven ?? Or you don't understand anthropomorphism ?

rottennaija:

No he is not. That's why he is God. Now, the 24 elders being described with these features mean they are God?

He is not because he is Spirit.

Revelation 8:2
"And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them. "

Do you also agree angels are humans? They stand with skeletal system and have hands to hold physical trumpet ? Or you mean angels are God ?

rottennaija:


Peacefullove, You never responded to this.

He beautifully did, its left for you to tell us God been described with those features means He is human/flesh and bones ?

rottennaija:


Possible stupidity? I agree. But instead of spending time describing stupidity, why no tell me what I do not know? Tell me how spirit have heads for crown, eyes for seeing, knees for bending, where white cloths... Please correct me, when you have no flesh and bone, what do spirit need cloths for? What do spirit that have no flesh and bone need buttocks for? Spirit that have no flesh and bone but have ass to sit on thrones? No bone but have head, please tell me, is head in rested on the bone skeletal structure?

Educate me instead of name calling, please educate why the 24 elders have all these attributes that require a skeletal structure?

Does God a spirit been described with features like Sitting on the throne means he is Human ? That's what I want you to answer .

rottennaija:


But spirit have heads for crown, eyes for seeing, knees for bending, where white cloths... Please correct me, when you have no flesh and bone, what do spirit need cloths for? What do spirit that have no flesh and bone need buttocks for? Spirit that have no flesh and bone but have ass to sit on thrones? No bone but have head, please tell me, is head in rested on the bone skeletal structure?

It was a perfectly coin word for the description. Absolutely brilliant.

Jozzy4
Janosky
Maximus69
Achorladey
Timalt

So because God is said to wear cloth or sit on throne, it means God have flesh and bones ?? this is the height of Stupidity

rottennaija:


So it no longer a matter of bible forbids this or that, its now a matter of standard set the by the religion. Isn't that what we have been saying since, that it's a man made rule that has no scriptural backing?

We have used countless examples showing why its wrong in all ramifications and that there is no justification for it? Yet, these are rules set by the religion in the name of God and countless people are dying yearly for what God never condemn nor command?

Today, they are banning blood transfusion and causing 1000s to die when God has not ban anything and yet you are here shouting, Jehovah's Command, law, order.

Rozz, please pay attention as Maximus69 or other JWs respond to this question, Would Jesus
break God law in order to either save a life or help someone?

Achorladey
Jozzy4
Janosky
Timalt
Peacefullove

After eating the dust with peacefullove, You are trying to seek relevance . u are ignored, This thread is about Trinity . if you have question on blood discussion. Create a thread.

Peacefullove:


You have a very low sense . you can't be human and be spirit being at the same time , Spirit does not have flesh and bones . receive correction.

Cc: Jozzy4 , this your friend is dry

Rottennaija is actually Very dry . Good morning.

rottennaija:


JWs know nothing. They run and run.

Coming from mr human spirit being ? Shame no catch u , Your zero knowledge was exposed yakata on that thread.

achorladey:


Reply me if

Go back and look at his RESPONSE?

You have no idea right ?

achorladey:


Did Peacefullove expect me to REPLY?

Reply me if peacefullove doesnt expect u to reply, what Ya say on Angels called God with capital G and small g?

Peacefullove:


Rozz, Can you see this fellow dont know anything, as young as you are , Its was a basic knowledge that Who Jacob fought with was an Angel, But see the gibberish Shadeyinka is vomitting @ colored ? I told u all his initial gra gra na empty Noise.

Shadeyinka , Here is the prove that the man is an angel.


Hosea 12:3,4
In the womb he grasped his brother’s heel;
as a man he struggled with God.
4 He struggled with the angel and overcame him;

The Angel is called God . capital letter.

Shadeyinka , over to you

I ought to like this post 100 times.

achorladey:



The problem is how can it BE NORMAL and you be RELATING and telling me to DEAL with something when you KNOW that I can't comprehend(since I am the MUMU and you are the MUMU DETECTOR) what you tell and that I have issues with according to you with MY BRAIN CELLS?

Peacefullove don shenk this one. I thought u would reply his point on usage of God to angels, He run

Timalt:

Hello, dear friend, I would want you to apply the same thing you said to her to yourself. Since you advised her to behave like the Boreans, that is fine.

Now, do the same yourself.
On your doctrine of 1914,.i want you to read this too
https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/607-7-times.php

Happy reading

The same Jwfacts whose author doesnt believe in the bible . u are a joke.

Timalt:

Typical!!!

Another one bites the dust. E don see another socratic question from my arsenal of questions. E don invoke terms and conditions.

The same terms and conditions he broke. He asked me which church I attend, I told him I don't belong to any denomination but I meet in small homes like the first century Christians. But that answer did not satisfy him as he was looking to pin me into an angle like the Pharisees.
He couldn't deny that meeting in homes was the way the first century Christians did.

After answering his question, it became my turn to ask him a question. I asked him to provide the biblical and emperical evidence that his organization was chosen by God and christ in 1919 as they claim. Evidence is all I asked for.

Then cried wolf. He said that I must produce the name of my denomination and what I believe. Hahahaha. What a joke. I answered him but he refused to answer me. So much for a "friendly discussion"

Oga go pour your medicine drink, there is nothing friendly about you. I have seen the way you attack people like a tout on Nairaland.

Answer my questions o

Based on this your small group.
Do u agree with Paul Grundy that there is nothing like earthly hope ?

rottennaija:


So at least, you can admit their are reading he bible....some people are getting sense. You have been mentioning the organisation up and down, what is this organisation? Is it Jehovah? Jesus? The angels? The bible? The Christian congregation? What?

You said its a concept, what is this organisation?

Jozzy4
Janosky
Maximus69
Timalt

Mr human spirit being I still can't forget that thread man, besides Eating emblem is important for everlasting life shey ?

Timalt:


Don't mind this followers of a deluded 1800s American Sect follower.

Ask them where the word organization was mentioned in the Bible and see them run. ;DOr ask them where in the first century was even the concept of a top down totalitarian, legalistic, dictatorial, autocratic organization found in the First century and they can't provide one.

Yesterday I called out Janosky's false lie that there was a governing body in the first century. The word was never used. The concept is never seen. All we had was ONE council meeting in Jerusalem by the Apostles and elders to settle a dispute caused by the jews who went to gentile nations to impose the yoke of circumcision.
The coward Janosky cannot provide one reference to show there was a governing body whether in the first century, second century or third century.

I even showed him the book written by their strongest defender and apologist - Rolf Furuli. Who was a district overseer and a university lecturer (PhD) who destroys the governing claim to authority.
Janosky fled like a wimp and refused to respond

I want to ask Jehovahs witnesses another question.


Since you first taught that the number of the "anointed" was completed in 1931 and then 1935 and that it was because the number was complete that God started choosing those with an earthly hope from 1935, the question now is since you people no longer agree that the number of "anointed" is complete, on what grounds then did the gathering of those with an earthly hope start?

How can we say the gathering of those with earthly hope started in 1935 since the number of "anointed" was not complete at the time as we now know?



Maximus69 I want make you come answer this one o.

Another Paul Grundy disciple, ask Rottennaija how he was disgraced with his paulgrundys philosophy of no living forever on earth. I will prefer a Bible discussion not all this rants.

Rottennaija, have you explained Rev 21:3,4 to Paul ?? Or cry to him that you couldn't explain it ?

Peacefullove:


That's why its a vision and not reality.



There are only two forms . Spirit being or human being. , Peter can never be eye witness to a spirit being. Cos they are invisible to the human eyes, very clear reality would mean they are physical.

For a dead man to become physically alive. Ressurection is required . Question: Show me where it says Moses and Elijah has been ressurected Without Jesus dying for their sins?? One it will rubbish Jesus claim to be the resurrection . cos they get it without him dying ? So how exactly is this reality ??

Correct.

Peacefullove:


Dont be deluded , it was a real fight. The text never called it a vision. Mumu is askimg me to get human opinions when his Bible says otherwise.

Fully human ( flesh and bone ) according to Emusan, therefore that angel in human form is Fully human.


Those that visited Abraham SAT down to eat and drink , With which body , How could someone without bones sit ?? When they ate , they dont have teeth , which is a bone ?





Fully human to you means Flesh and bones. Angels appear with flesh and bones. Have given u an undeniable example.



Good u confess . Jesus claimed so due to the figure they see.



Every man enter heaven ? Wow . I thought heaven is too holy for sinners ?


Meanwhile Jesus spirit returns to the Father YET he claimed he has not returned to him ?

Now the question again: From where do Moses and Elijah get their physical form when Jesus whom is the Ressurection is yet to die for their sins or ressurect ?


Dead on arrival.
I told you they are dead men. Not spirits ... But rope yourself.

Jesus spirit return to the Father , YET Jesus claimed he has not been to the Father ... Does that not tell what return to the Father is not moses and Elijah themselves ?


Act 12:9

You clearly can't refute that point.

Peter knows it real , because peter thought its an Horama ... Horama is real, then this should be correct that Peter knows its real . agree ?


Finally : How could someone you claimed have divine nature only does that through a vision ?

That's to tell you how low their reasoning can be . They want Moses and Elijah in that vision to be physically real, but not ready to suffer the consequence of it as it pertains to ressurection.

And those angels dont have teeth when they ate Abraham's meat bro. angels can only be flesh no bones

Emusan:


It makes Him fully human while HIS ORIGINAL FORM OR NATURE DIDN'T change because you're trying to remove that from my statement.

SHARING/PARTAKING doesn't change the existing form but to have PART which is the point both Heb 2:14 & 2peter 1 are making.

Only God can cure your delusions!

Calm down, we are saying the same thing. unless u mean Jesus was half human when she shared human nature .


@ bold , Partaking in human nature makes Jesus FULLY Human, Do u accept partaking in Gods nature make the Christians FULLY GOD ??

Emusan:


Then it means John the Baptist was already possessed then in heaven....

Is Isaiah 42 a prophetic statement or not?



Jesus existed as GOD from beginning, that is His form! Share in humanity can mean like adding something which doesn't change the existing one.



When I said Jesus was fully human on earth, did you know I said His original nature doesn't change? because you neglected that part.


Sharing in God's nature doesn't make you FULLY GOD

But sharing in Human nature Make Christ FULLY HUMAN ?

Do u see how u are speaking from both sides of your mouth. Its a shame on you

that's why Christ can't be said to be Human forever but Christ existed in form of God from beginning.

So Christ is no longer human ?

Emusan:


The point is the form that Christ existed from beginning didn't change when he shared in humanity.

The statement "What matters is once someone share in something, they became FULLY part of it." was yours not mine!

Your own is to prove to us that, that verse says THEY BECOME FULLY DIVINE NATURE



He became fully human while His original nature doesn't change which means the human nature was just like something borrowed I've said this before.


In the case of the Christians now where you'll see that they become FULLY God for sharing God's nature which I even said that's not what the verse was saying in the first place!

Mr , Your logic is working here big Tyme .... You admitted Jesus partaking of human nature make him FULLY HUMAN, Do you also accept Partaking GODS NATURE make the Christians FULLY GOD ?

freshboi88:


Who is Mighty God in that verse...and Ur here shouting El Gibboa like a mad dog.

Who is Mighty God in that verse...give me a name

Kid , El Gibboa appeared in those verses humans are called same.. That ENGLISH translators choose to say it differently DOESNT change that Fact.

Kid, you have a lot to learn

Copy and paste guy, una well done.

freshboi88:


Ansa 1:New International Version
Rev 22:9 But he said to me, "Don't do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!"

The bible confirms that angels are essentially servants.....u can see the angel clearly rejecting been worshipped

They dont have servant nature BUT are servants . likewise Jesus .

Nowhere are angels said to take on nature of servants.

Ansa 2: By the divine nature he means not the substance of the Godhead, but the partaking of those qualities, by which the image of God is restored in us.

In other words

that we "may become partakers of the divine nature," not that we are now.

To make it clearer to u. Even Jesus's human nature was a partaker of his Divine nature in that it was a resemblance or likeness of his Divine nature. In sense of imitating the virtue of his Divine nature. That's what that verse means.


So a similar verse makes it clearer to us

Hebrews 12:10; "That we might be partakers of his holiness."

To sum it all

To be partakers of the divine nature; does not imply essentially, or of the essence of God, so as to be deified, this is impossible, for the nature, perfections, and glory of God, are incommunicable to creatures.



How much u go pay for this lecture...c as scales dey fall commot Ur eye

Copy and paste guy well done.

One simple question: Was Jesus fully human when he partake of humanity ?

Emusan:


So My Servant was the only statement that chapter

Olodo....

Isaiah 42 is a prophetic statement and the fact that Present Perfect Tense was used which I've explained earlier proves you wrong.

Rest man. U have no point

What u already possess is called " MY "

You keep exposing your ignorance!

Whi says they are FULL OF GOD'S NATURE

Jesus was equal to humans by virtue of his sharing , Do you accept this Christians too are EQUAL to God by their sharing ?

Where did I say "share in the case of Jesus means FORM he exists?"

" Jesus was FULLY HUMAN on earth because HE SHARES in humanity " Emusan


Do you accept Sharing in GODS NATURE make one FULLY GOD as well ?

Emusan:


This is the point you still failed to grab!

-He was not human from the beginning.
-When He shared humanity it didn't stop being God, He's nature of God remains what it is.

Forget beginning, because even this Christians dont possess Gods nature from beginning. What matters is once someone share in something, they became FULLY part of it.


Jesus became Fully human when he shared in humanity, Do you agree this Christians are also FULLY GOD for sharing GODS NATURE ?

Emusan:


Isaiah 42 is a prophetic verse which means foreseeing what will happen in the future.

Even the same thing happened in Malachi

Does that mean John the Baptist has started existing with God that time?

Olodo

MY servant is not prophetic , it's a description of the chosen one.

Olodo!
Didn't that prove to you that Christ as God didn't change His nature which is my point here!

So if you apply that it means those Christians didn't change their human nature yet are fully Of GODS NATURE ?

SHARE doesn't mean that is the FORM they exist.

But Share in the case of Jesus means FORM he exist ? this tight corner wey u enter , na die.

So was that verse LYING that they share GODS NATURE ?

Emusan:


Share divine nature doesn't mean they change from being human because that's not what the verse is all about

Hahahahahaha Guy

But when Jesus share humanity he was human. Mr , Was the verse LYING they share Gods nature ?

Emusan:


May statement is that you share a form doesn't mean you exist in that FORM....

We exist as HUMAN that's is our FORM.

Jesus was FULLY HUMAN on earth because HE SHARES in humanity not that HE WAS HUMAN FROM BEGINNING.

Do you read the bold ? He shares means existed as human .

Apply same to those humans sharing Gods nature.

Emusan:


Despite the fact I explained that statement when you ignorantly claimed it was Past Tense, you can still spew this thrash...Truly there's is a pride in ignorance.

Isaiah 42:1

" Look! My servant , whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved "

God would be lying to call him his servant if he wasn't at the point of writing that verse.

They are still human!

Their Nature didn't change unless you can proof further that, that's what the verse say.



They are still human their Nature didn't change!

Coming from someone who believe Jesus can co- exist with man nature and God nature

Who is lying you or the bible ? It says clearly that they share Gods nature. So did scripture lied or what are you trying to prove?

.

Emusan , laughs

Emusan:


The problem you're having is big, many translations reference Isa 42:1 with Phil 2:7

Why? Simply because it was that time when Christ became man that Isa 42 was fulfilled.

Just like I said if ordinary primary school English is difficult for you, how can you even understand scripture?

Isaiah 42:1 didn't say " my future servant "

He was servant even the present.

Grow up. The possesive MY says it all

They are PARTAKERS/SHARE, they don't exist in that FORM

But Christ exists in God's form which only God existed.

When it was shared with them, In what Nature do they exist ?

Let me quote your own translation of Phil 2 so that it can cure your ignorance!

[color=blue]"who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and became human"[/Color]

Even your own translation says "WAS EXISTING in God's FORM" and went further to say "but emptied himself and took a SLAVE'S FORM"

Which shows the state He was and the state He is now.



SHARE isn't EXISTING in that FORM

I even forgot you lack understand of basic English.

Which Nature was shared with them ?

Once shared, in what form do those humans exist ?

Brain dead analogy Emusan .