livingchrist:
going by your logic all the dead will get a body like Jesus body? Right? Even your fraudulent organisation disagreed with you.
Argue with your GB.

you have never heard of context in your life.


1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

The dead rose up before living believers will be changed.
Dead Sinners do not rise up before belivers are changed, their portion is in the great white throne judgment.

who mentioned the rich man? The fact remains that worm will eat the bodies of sinners.

The publication you quote said Those going to heaven will have a spirit body like Jesus . And those on Earth a physical body, completely sound. ( Perfect)

So they got a perfect physical body , like Jesus since you claim Jesus have a physical body.

I stand on the point that Mark 9:43,44 was not a reference to ressurection body. But the Dead bodies in Gehenna.

I demand again: which body does the rich man have in hell since ressurection hasn't occur ?

livingchrist:
lie lie jozzy, paul was talking about the dead in Christ not all the dead.

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.



Fraudulent jozzy what happened to the body of Jesus if it did not rise, you cant explain yourself, lie lie

The red says the " Dead "


Just as " So it is with the ressurection of the DEAD . It is sown in corruption; it is raised up in incorruption " 1 Cor 15:42

Are they part of the dead ?

Which body did the rich man have in hell since ressurection hasn't occur ? Let's validate your Mark 9:43,44 claim. To see if it's a ressurection body

Only dead bodies are thrown into Gehenna , Do you read that ?

livingchrist:
exposing your deluded self all over the thread already.
Paul said the body was sown a natural body and raised a spiritual one, it was the same body that was sown that is raised.
Go and learn what a soulish body is

Sown=buried
So the body that was buried is a soulish body ?

where did you see the rich man in mark 9:43,44.
Jesus was talking of Ghenna in mark 9vv43,44 but you are talking of sheol of luke 16

Both are the same thing = hell. it's only dead bodies that are thrown in Gehenna in Jesus day. Do you know ?

SO WHICH BODY DOES THE RICH MAN HAVE SINCE RESSURECTION HAS NOT OCCUR.

You are ready to lose your soul in defending lies.
So a body that is eaten by worms is an incorruptible body? Shame

" So it is with the ressurection of the DEAD . It is sown in corruption; it is raised up in incorruption " 1 Cor 15:42

Uncle lie lie lie. Are they part of the dead ?

livingchrist:
go and check the meaning of psychokos. It means natural not physical (I know what you mean by physical and it is not)
physical is a very, very weak translation for psychokos which literally means soulish body I deliberately used physical to reconfigure your brain.
I used physical to mean real body not unreal body.

So it is soulish body that is buried ?

According to Paul the natural body is that body that was buried.

You will be exposed now, shey u say you don't hear English ni

fraudulent Jozzy what is so hard in knowing what "corruption is"?
Fraudulent Jozzy your own written wayo dictionary said corruption means death.
Your fraudulent organisation has taught you how to lie, manipulate and decieve so well that even the devil would be proud of you. Shame

Is it so hard to reply which body the rich man had in hell ? To validate your claim that mark 9:43,44 is a reference to ressurection body.


Ressurection body is not corruptible.

" So it is with the ressurection of the DEAD . It is sown in corruption; it is raised up in incorruption " 1 Cor 15:42

Just accept sinners will have same physical body like Jesus. Since they are also part of the dead.

livingchrist:
Jesus died as flesh and bones? That is a new one.
That was a statement of Adam saying Eve was created from his flesh and bones nothing else.


Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Only physical humans have flesh and bones not spirits even if angels appear it does not mean they have flesh and bones, but Jesus body was real Jesus is not a liar like jwo.

According to you Jesus is still a physical human with body of flesh and bones.

So Paul was wrong that he wasn't raised a physical body ?

Paul: he was sown a physical body and raised a spiritual body (different from physical)

Livingchrist : No Paul, he was sown flesh and bones ( physical ) and raised flesh and bones (physical ) .

wahala for who no know bible o

A body that can eaten by worms is a corrupt body it is immaterial whether the body last for a short time or forever.

Meanwhile, what happened to Jesus body? Wayo jozzy

This is why I told you to go back to your Sunday School classes. Jesus was reffering to the current human body. Not a ressurection body. Reference to Gehenna. Wahala for who know no Bible. Jesus was describing Gehenna.


I also ask you which body the rich man had in hell since ressurection hasn't occur. To make my point clear.

livingchrist:
flesh and bones is not physical body.
Can you give me anywhere in the bible where humans where said to be flesh and bones? Fraud

Gen 2:23
The man said,
“This is now bone of my bones,
And flesh of my flesh;
She shall be called Woman,

Genesis 5:2 he called them humans

So jesus died flesh and bones and raised same physical flesh and bones ?

fraud loving jozzy you are covering the lies of your false witness organisation.

Do worms continue to eat physical bodies forever?

How will you know what eternal life is when you love to gulp in satan witness lie lie.

Worms don't eat a corruptible body forever .

Are you admitting again sinners have an INCORRUPTIBLE body ?

If the only thing you gained on this thread is that Jesus wasn't raised in physical body which is flesh and bones. You are liberated.

livingchrist:
stop? Because it does not suit your fraudulent organisation teachings?
If Jesus was not referring to the resurrection body how come the worm does not die?
So the worm that eat the current human body does not die? You are a comic relief seriously.
What happened to the body of Jesus? Fraud jozzy

the place Jesus was reffering to is Gehenna . U skip your Bible study classes I guess, do worms at Gehenna not die ? Jesus died so that worms can have everlasting life ?

Which body Did the rich man have since ressurection haven't occur ?

livingchrist:
crap as usual.
Wayo scam organisation, your thinking is warped.
Jesus said the worms in hell never dies, meaning those in hell will have corruptible bodies.

Jesus never said you enter into hell with your natural body but rather It is better to live in this life with a maimed body and enter into heaven than to live with your full body and yet enter hell.
Hell is a place where the worms never dies nor the fire is quenched.

I told you to stop applying the verse to a ressurection body
Jesus was not reffering to a ressurection body , but the current one.

" And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. " Luke 16:23 kJB

With which body ?

livingchrist:
the body isnt a natural body but a spiritual one.

Flesh and bones is physical.

Jesus wounds and scar wasnt a dishonor, do you even know what is a dishonor?

Define dishonor to a body ?

Someone who got burnt in an accident, will be raised with a burnt body, use your head.

A perfect body doesn't have scars

what explanation are you looking for? mr choke on your neck.
Jesus body was raise a spiritual body rather than a natural body.

Natural means physical. And it's opposed to Spiritual. ( reference: Mariam Webster definition 12 of natural )

Flesh and bones is pure natural / PHYSICAL. Same body Adam has. You are fooling yourself.

whether you are serious or not it does not hide the fact that you are bereft of the truth.
Mark 9:44 current human condition, you are not ok. [b]
I know the debris was from Lie lie fraudulent Jehovah witness junks.

Mark 9:43 says


If [b] your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.

Which hand was he asking to be cut off or left and carried to hell ?

Which hand causes a person to stumble, the present natural body ?

This is not ressurection body. More wahala for who no know Bible

livingchrist:
do you even understand anything at all?
It[the body] is sow a natural body but [the body] raised a spiritual body.

Natural body sown =physical body buried

He therefore can't be raised with the Same natural body with which he was sown.

The Spiritual body isn't physical .

That body that appear to the disciples even had wounds and scars . Which is a dishonor. That's not a glorified body.

Whether you call it physical or not, the fact remain that Jesus body rose but in a different state but your organisation denied it.

The truth will always choke you on the neck, Explain that different state ?

It does not change the fact that Jesus rose with his body

And Mary couldn't recognize him?

Only a dummy will deny what has being clear set before you.
Sinners body will be eaten by worm Jesus said so.
but your organisation said Jesus body was destroyed, that means Jesus body was never raised.
Fraudulent organisation.

I actually just play along with you all the while, but I think it's time to knock off your illusions

Mark 9:44 was a reference to the current human body . Not a ressurection body.

Roll it .

Tymax:

Ɨƚa..Ɨƚa..Ɨƚa.. Why do ladies keep mentioning bad belle people? Which bad belle people? It's the same to me whether Online and Public. And I don't like it at all. Highest I fit do na to hold hand abi to hug but kiss? Ah, or to dey write poem for twitter or facebook? No way.

My ex GF wey I dey use do DP for BBM, after we break up people just dey ask me say question. After all my "fumble", omo I just humble .

livingchrist:
actually it is, words has places they best fit.

Living Christ : the same body rises . Physical body died and was raised

Paul; No, It was buried a physical body, but raised a spiritual one. If there was a physical body, there is a Spiritual one too.

Can you see yourself ?

How about this,

Numbers 20:11 And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his rod he smote the rock twice: and the water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their beasts also.

Moses hit Christ ? Or is Christ not the rock again ?

Stop quoting what you don't understand

corruption does not mean death.
An incorruptible body can not be eaten by worms.

Just as sinners body will never be eaten by worms. It exist forever . Incorruptible , won't die or decay . U just busy proving Jesus and the sinners got same body

The same dictionary you used told you that decay means dissolution.
Fraudulent organisation,

Jesus body did not decay, what happened to it?

We know Jesus wasn't raised a physical body, begs the question: if you don't agree with that explanation, where is the physical body ?

livingchrist:
good, I did not say it cannot be translated as physical only that it is a weak translation.

It's not weak , natural means physical . Every dictionary can testify. Don't be deluded. Paul drive it home when he said the natural is buried. That same physical body buried.

It's now so silly that You are saying it is raised as well as the same Natural/physical body.

No, not nesccesarily.
The Rock was also a physical rock that produced water for them.
Also they ate spiritual food, does that mean that the food was not also physical?

If Christ is not the physical Rock. U quoted a wrong verse. Your point can only stand if the Christ of the time of the isrealites is a rock that can be physically touched.

Decay does not neccesarily leads to death, it can come after death or before death.

Those sinners ain't dying. Worms feed on something to ruin it. That they were to exist forever proved neither the fire or worm. Affect them. Their flesh and bones body is eternally incorruptible like the one you gave to Christ by your logic.

Your fraudulent organisation lied that Jesus body was dissolved whereas the bible said His body didnt suffer decay.

Did they say it suffer decay ?

He surely wasn't raised a physical body . so where is the body if that explanation is not correct in your eyes ? Physical body is a body of flesh and bones like the one he was buried with. So appreciate that explanation.

livingchrist:
I hope you know that there is a greek word for 'physical'?
Bible > Interlinear > 1 Corinthians 15:44
◄ 1 Corinthians 15:44 ►
1 Corinthians 15 - Click for Chapter
44 4687 [e]
44 speiretai
44 σπείρεται
44 It is sown
44 V-PIM/P-3S
4983 [e]
sōma
σῶμα
a body
N-NNS
5591 [e]
psychikon
ψυχικόν ,
natural
Adj-NNS

Do you know what psychikon mean in english?
It means soulish or animal like


Greek words are not black and white like you think.
If paul wanted to use physical he could used fysikos instead.

Look up that verse and see how many translation use the word " physical" . It's clear you are the deluded one here. What is buried us flesh and bones, which is Natural or physical body.

Natural body means physical body. Definition number 12 from Mariam Webster also admit this.

There are cases in the bible where physical things or beings where described as spiritual.

For example,

1 Corinthians 10:3-4 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

We all know the Israelites both ate and drank real physical food and drinks.
The opposite of physical is not neccesarily spiritual.

Spiritual is That which is opposed to physical . Undisputed.

That's so weak, The Christ in heaven at the time of the isrealites is a physical Rock ?

corruption is not death, dont get it twisted, corruption simply means decay or disintegration which leads to death.

Mark 9:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

The worms that fist on the body of those in hell do not die.
If worms could fist on the body of sinners then their body is a corruptible body

Decay leads to death u say.
But the Sinners wont die too. They are immune from the effect of the fire and worms. That's an Incorruptible body. They ain't decaying in the first place.

Daguccizgreat:
I will tell you this, If You're convinced he loves you and he does not abuse physically then you have to forgive him and give him another chance. I know it's hurts but you have to do it since you love him. If you Keep quiting your relationships because your partner cheated, my dear na long journey you dey oo. A lot of we men find it hard to resist the urge of cheating even though they love their partners. This Life no just balance

And who told you females don't have urge to cheat too ? Or are they not sexual beings ?

Just admit it's lack of self control and stop forming the lie of it's man's nature. Lack of self control simple

johnw47:


here is another i posted lying unstable max

1Jn_2:16  For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Sexual desires with ones married partner is not lust. You need to understand scripture before quoting them.

johnw47:


dope jozzy4

God doesn't give authority for sexual immorality, fool

you stick with your false jw immorality
i will speak against it

normal sexual intercourse between a married man and woman is natural.
anal and oralsex is lust:
Jas_1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Go back to my post and read the scripture quoted and stop acting silly in public. I shared that post not only for MaxiInDHouse , But any other couple you meet , don't ever interfere in their private matters. Whatever they do is between them. They have authority over every part of their bodies.

MaxInDHouse:


They are scattered in different DENOMINATIONS of Christendom Churches with contracting teachings and conflicting doctrines!

They are mistaken, Jesus stress the importance of his followers been in the same organization when he said be careful of the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees. Jesus is against wrong teaching. It's one thing to believe in Jesus , it's another to swallow teachings of the Pharisees, So when they are together, that's when they can assist each other on the right path and where there is need to adjust like the circumcision issue, Readjustment can occur in their midst . This won't be Feasible if many of them are still scattered in various ideologies around that time.

Barristter07:

You know very well that the physical rendering will finish you . Hence the denials.
KJV said it is sown a natural body ... Is this not the physical body ?

He now admit natural means physical. But insisted Paul is wrong , Jesus was raised with the same Natural/physical body . Comedy lol

johnw47:
normal sexual intercourse between a married man and woman is natural.
anal and oralsex is lust:
Jas_1:15  Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Don't let God of heaven Judge you. Stop this shameful display, leave AkinwaleJJ and MaXinDhouse alone. And not just them, Other married couples you come across. Are they complaining?

Whatever happens between a married couple is their business, not yours.

Do you not read 1Corinthians 7:4 ?

" The wife gives authority over her body to her husband, and the husband gives authority over his body to his wife. "

Desist from nonsense post and respect their authority to do whatever they want with their bodies.

livingchrist:

Incorruptible does not mean death, merriam Webster never defined it as such.

Do you read ?

Def of incorruptible
:
b: not subject to decay or dissolution

Define dissolution ?

Ok, let me go with the assertion that the natural body means physical body but yet still does changes the fact about Jesus resurrection body.

Jesus body was a real body, flesh and bones but a spiritual one.

Real body, you mean physical body ?
That means apostle Paul was wrong. It was raised a physical body not spiritual. Spiritual is not physical. Are u sure you know what you are doing ?

Since corruption means decay or dissolution,

Corruption means decay

Jesus body never suffered corruption mean that his body never decayed neither did it suffer dissolution.
As for sinners body, can you give me anywhere in the bible that said sinners body will be incorruptible?

Will they die ? No.

Will they decay ? No

That's the prove of incorruptible body of sinners. It will also be a real body of flesh and bones. Guy, Sinners share Christ body

Rather the bible said worm will feed on their bodies which means decay but the worms never dies ( unending decay)

Show me where it says the above ?
Big lie. If worm will feed on it, they won't have exist forever in that hell. Neither the fire nor worm have any power of that body. It's incorruptible , cannot die nor decay.

Barristter07:


What is glorious is perfect, A perfect body doesn't have wounds. Wounds either from accident or whatever is a dishonor to the body.





This is the meaning of incorruptible according to Mariam Webster


Definition of incorruptible
:
b: not subject to decay or dissolution


Sinners body is not subject to death or dissolution too.


Change what? Lol
Fraud man, QuOTE the definition of Natural , number 12 for this thread and let's see if it's not the same as physical. I deliberately wanted you to quote it . Since English is a problem for you

This is the definition from Webster on Natural . I don't know why he hasn't brought it up as requested.

: having a physical or real existence as contrasted with one that is spiritual, intellectual, or fictitious

b: of, relating to, or operating in the physical as opposed to the spiritual world.

Cc livingchrist, Barristter07 ..


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/natural

Jesus was buried a physical body and still raised a physical body. How silly , even the definition make it clear what is spiritual is not physical. They are opposed to each other.

livingchrist:
@ bolded I can see satan has so taken hold of your soul.
That is what your satanic organization taught you,
So sinners will possess a body like Jesus, Jehovah will honor sinners, may be the god of watch tower not the true God.
All liars like you barrister will have their part in the lake of fire, you will think it is a joke until you end there.
Pls I wont dignify a son of satan like you with response again.

I saw it coming

Barristter07:
Wounded lion Emusan , This thread is a good one.




The point is Angels of heaven are sexless, your humans in heaven theory is a sham ND an hoax.

Someone here told you earlier there are two ressurection, Jesus was reffering to the first . Which is ressurection as Spirit beings

Good I remember, anyone having share in the first ressurection cannot be harmed by second death .


So which Ressurection did unbelievers have ??



Not so fast, u can't escape this, but which location are they ressurected , a verse said they stand before the throne. So where is this throne ?? How come flesh and blood stand in God's heavenly Kingdom ?



Unbelievers won't have glorious body, but you said they will be in torment. The corruptible human body cannot withstand fire for 24 hours before it get burnt, but this body will stand fire for Ever and ever . And you said this body is corruptible ? In Jozzy4 voice you are dull.

At the end unbelievers and believers have the same Glorious body of Christ. Emusan , So this is what you are peddling around ?

Corruptible body but can withstand fire forever . At times you wonder if they think. Of cos no more no less, they have given glorious body to sinners too

emror4u:
If the police profiles you just by your looks alone, I know you'll be screaming oppression...

Lol reverse psychology

Fact1:
Karamo,,,,,, edakun who bring this simplenton jozzy?,,,,,,,


Matter dat we don conclude even i don tell my guy og to stop,,,,, ☹️

Tueh!!!!

Fact1:
Aunty how you take know,,,,,,,,?


It has been scientifically proven that weed cools down the body temperature,,,,,,,,☹️☹️


Even I'm just doing one white London presently,,,,,,,,,, ☹️☹️

What else can I say ?

Dtruthspeaker:


That is the Proof of how man is Wicked and when the Bible tells them that they are, they do not believe it, yet, they think that they qualified to enter the kingdom of God.

We'll, keep doing that which is good for as the Lord has Said "the rain falls on both the good and the evil".

And as you do unto others, so shall it be done unto you.

Correct

Motirayo2018:

I also have neighbor, I help to pack her cloth everyday when she is not home

My shop is close to our house.

On Tuesday it was raining I was busy in the shop so I can't help her to pack her cloth.
When she come back home she was like I did not allow my daughter to help her to pack her cloth. I was very annoyed because I have always help her without her asking me to.
I just kept quiet, she told my daughter the following day that she will be taking her cloth to her shop to dry.

Human beings kai

MhisTahrah:
Yes I know

Am of the school that says Cheating is wrong irrespective of the gender. While am not a supporter of divorce in marriage , I often say it that rather than cheat in a relationship or courtship , end the relationship and find someone else . To reduce the chances of cheating in marriage since you marry who you want and who want you.

MhisTahrah:
Some Nigerian men are always quick to generalize and bash Nigerian women whenever a lady makes the news for something bad for example, a married woman having extramarital affairs.But one will never see this set of hypocrites judge cheating married men in such manner.They make senseless comments and the really dumb ones go ahead to insult the wife for her husband's inability to remain faithful.

You might want to go through this thread and see for yourself
https://www.nairaland.com/6174273/cheating-some-men-something-else

And this
https://www.nairaland.com/6181309/abuja-bride-cancels-wedding-after
They keep proving me right.

Now compare the comments in that thread with this
https://www.nairaland.com/6176488/ex-views-stories-status-ignores

you have some points.

Ryan03:
love your reply. Making everything a woman thing whereas men do same is the height if hypocrisy.

I don't think the OP said men don't do the same, we are only taking a look at that of ladies

Ken4Christ:


There is already a thread on it. You have no defence.

If hell was ordinary grave, why did Jesus said it was prepared for the devil and his angels? Do you bury spirits in physical graves? Use your sense.

If hell was ordinary grave, why did the Bible talk about the sorrows of hell? Is there sorrow in the physical grave?


If hell was the ordinary grave, the Bible talks about throwing people into hell. Do you throw people into graves or gently lower them?


If hell was ordinary grave, why did Jesus talk about the gates of hell? Do graves have gates.

Forget about your useless books full of lies and read your Bible with open mind and you will discover that you have been taught lies. Jehovah Witness just pick Scripture out of context and make it say what it didn't say. Their punishment is certain and the hottest part of hell is reserved for you all.

Thank you very much, Can you please tell this thread what is thrown into hell ,

Is it the human body ? Option A

Is it an immaterial soul ,? Option B

Is it human body and soul ? Option C