freshboi88:
Guys I am dealing with @Janosky. E yansh dey pepper am now. E hi don tire for me say any akara analogy I carry comot freshboi go just use me do yeye.............

My brother nah because watch tower don deceive you nah. How u wan take win argument when u dey wrong

1Corinthians 15:27 says Jesus his a son ... Why are Angels and others called " Sons " ?

freshboi88:


First of all, Jesus is both Man and God. So the fact that he is given authority and power doesn't mean anything. Let me school u again scripturally.

For Christ to become man, what did he do. Let's see what scripture tells us

Philippians 2:7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

Emptied himself of all power, glory and authority to become man.

As man he had become lower than the Angels

New Living Translation
Heb 2:9 What we do see is Jesus, who for a little while was given a position “a little lower than the angels”; and because he suffered death for us, he is now “crowned with glory and honor.” Yes, by God’s grace, Jesus tasted death for everyone.

To answer your question in regard to the above points

It is the exaltation of our Lord’s human nature that is here chiefly intended, in union, however, with the divine.
The authority and power intended is that which Christ exercises as Son of man and Mediator; but it is evident, if he did not possess all divine perfections, he could not exercise it.

To show his divine perfection and see that he is God look at col 2:9. Let's see what Paul says

Col 2: 9 Berean Study Bible
For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form.

This verse puts an end to this debate. Do u understand the meaning of Deity. It says all the fullness of deity existing in human body.

But for him to be man he emptied himself. So as man he was given all authority and power.

My broda forget u no know nytyn. Read Ur bible so you can be cured and leave that secret cult u call a church

Who gave him back all what he emptied ? He was given!!!

It says ALL authority in heaven and earth has been given me . please open your eyes to " IN HEAVEN ". Not just man earthly authority but Authority in heaven was given too. Romans 11:36 says the one in that verse cannot be given anything.


Secondly, I gave you 1Cor 15:27 for a reason to open your dull reasoning

" Next, ... he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father "

The one in Romans 11:36 cannot be given anything talkless of returning it to anyone.

Jesus is not the one in Romans 11:36 , But the Father . who cannot be given anything

So clearly the Father made someone by himself without any agent ( it says through the Father himself ) . Who is that person ?

Brainwashed

freshboi88:

New International Version
For from him and through him and for him are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen.

New Living Translation
For everything comes from him and exists by his power and is intended for his glory. All glory to him forever! Amen.

English Standard Version
For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen.

Berean Study Bible
For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever! Amen.

Berean Literal Bible
For from Him and through Him and unto Him are all things. To Him be the glory to the ages! Amen.

New American Standard Bible
For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen.

New King James Version
For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.

King James Bible
For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

Christian Standard Bible
For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be the glory forever. Amen.

Contemporary English Version
Everything comes from the Lord. All things were made because of him and will return to him. Praise the Lord forever! Amen.

Good News Translation
For all things were created by him, and all things exist through him and for him. To God be the glory forever! Amen.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen.

International Standard Version
For all things are from him, by him, and for him. Glory belongs to him forever! Amen.

NET Bible
For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever! Amen.

New Heart English Bible
For from him and by him and in him are all things. To him be the glory for ever. Amen.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Because all is from him, and in him, and all is by him, that to him would be praises and blessings to the eternity of eternities. Amen.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Everything is from him and by him and for him. Glory belongs to him forever! Amen!

New American Standard 1977
For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen.

King James 2000 Bible
For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory forever. Amen.

American King James Version
For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

American Standard Version
For of him, and through him, and unto him, are all things. To him be the glory for ever. Amen.

Douay-Rheims Bible
For of him, and by him, and in him, are all things: to him be glory for ever. Amen.

Darby Bible Translation
For of him, and through him, and for him [are] all things: to him be glory for ever. Amen.

English Revised Version
For of him, and through him, and unto him, are all things. To him be the glory for ever. Amen.

Webster's Bible Translation
For from him, and by him, and to him are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

Weymouth New Testament
For the universe owes its origin to Him, was created by Him, and has its aim and purpose in Him. To Him be the glory throughout the Ages! Amen.

World English Bible
For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things. To him be the glory for ever! Amen.

Young's Literal Translation
because of Him, and through Him, and to Him are the all things; to Him is the glory -- to the ages. Amen.

This are all the translations I could find. Pls where did u see the Father there? This verse mirrors col 1:16

English Standard Version
Col 1:16For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him
and for him.

Who is col 1:16 talking bout, the Father or the Son?... When u answer and see the similarity between both u will then see that u have been deceived.


Firstly, Ur translation carelessly put Father there to deceive u. Go through all other translations there is nothing like that, Not 1.

Secondly there is no where in the bible that says God created Jesus first and used him to create other things. If u read col 1:16, John 1:3 and this Romans 11:36 and many other verses that say the same thing.



If I were u, I will demand all the money I have given to awake to continue to spread fake doctrine, repent, get baptized and give my life to Jesus. Our Lord and Our God!

To protect a LIE , U need more lies ... You committed another blunder by lying that Romans 11:36 is describing Jesus. Okay let us look at verse 35 . its the key

Romans 11:35 , 36 says concerning him

" OR who has first GIVEN HIM, so that it must be repaid to him Because FROM HIM and THROUGH HIM are all things. "


The verse says the person described here has never been given anything. And will never repay to anyone.

Was Jesus given anything ? Let's start from Matthew 28:19,20. Was Jesus given anything In that verse ?

1corinthians 15:27 Jesus RETURNING the Kingdom to his Father , did Jesus return what he was given here again ?


Tell me how Romans 11:36 refer to Jesus .

freshboi88:


How does Romans 11:39 help Ur pitiable situation?

Yeah the pitiable situation you are that kept you running around just for you to tell why Adam and other heavenly beings are called " Sons of God "

..... You r beginning to sound desperate. Can u xplain how Roman 11:39 shows the Father creating Jesus

Romans 11:36 said All things came from the Father , THROUGH the Father , and for him.

Through the Father shows that there is someone or something the Father made himself without any agent.

Who is that person ?

Perfectbeing:


Your bible has Romans 11:39?

Romans 11:36 , the point still stands

Romans 11:36 says the Father made all things THROUGH himself. He needed no Jesus to made all things.

Question: What was Made through The Father to make this claim ?

freshboi88:
Jehovah Witnesses want us to believe that Jesus is God's first creature. They quote the part of scripture that says Jesus is the first born of all God's creature.

I have just 1 verse from the bible that ridicules that false teaching.

John 1:3 God created everything through Jesus and nothing was made without him

Going by this scripture, God used Jesus to create Jesus since Jesus is God's creature and nothing was created without Jesus

I guess they have never reasoned this part of the scripture.

The Father made Jesus THROUGH HIMSELF - Romans 11:39 exposed you here.

If you say he needed to Jesus to create Jesus . then answer Me, what exactly was created THROUGH the Father ? Cos that shows the Father himself was the agent for a certain creation.

freshboi88:


I know wht u upto, u just want to revenge....hit my church!!!.... because I have finished urs. Adeboye is a man just like u. He is not infallible. The people who claim infallibility like the Jwits are hypocrites and the fake one. By their fruit we shall know them

After running away from why Jesus was called Son of God like Adam and the angels ... Why are they all " Sons " ?


You can't escape it.

Perfectbeing:


When I say I built something by myself what does that statement means?

And you quoted Gen 1:27 while cleverly skipping verse 26 (...let Us make man in our own image...)
Explain..

And no the word didn't create the father.
The word and the father are the same

Romans 11:39 says the Father made all things THROUGH himself. He needed no Jesus to made all things.

Question: What was Made through The Father to make this claim ?

Liliantalks:
a man cheating doesn’t mean he’s not happily married , just so u know .

Cheating is cool then. All the best

freshboi88:


Clap for yourself...u don make sense abi?... Shame don leave u dey catch me for u.

First thing first, is God human?...is it wise to apply the analogy of humans to God?

Secondly does this Ur quack theory confirm to other verses of scripture?... No!.

If it does, how does it apply here?

16For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things [/b]have been created through him and for him. 17He is [b]before all things, and in him all things hold together

Respond to how a created been applied to the bolded in the verse

Okay, at highlighted what does it mean to be a Son of God ?

Revelation 2:18 Jesus called " Son of God "

freshboi88:


Of course Isaac was born, so is Isaac the only begotten son of God?

Isaac was born just like other sons of Abraham. Been called only begotten doesn't change this.

Good , likewise Jesus was created too like other sons of God.

The title" son of God " is only applied to someone that God created. E.g Adam

freshboi88:


I doubt u read my post hence u called it copy and paste. If u cannot read, how will u understand. No wonder you lack understanding. Now this time, read it again and ask the Holy Spirit to guide u. He would take the scales off Ur eyes just as scales fell from the eyes of Paul formerly known as saul

I didn't read and I color some parts. .. You are dubious . your post admit the only begotten was applied to Isaac too, question is : Isaac is unique but does that mean Isaac wasn't born like other sons of Abraham ? Answer that sincerely

ibkayee:

I don't know the stats on this but I know for a fact that their married male counterparts do the same thing

That's just it ...

lefulefu:
and the funny thing is that they still cheat on their husbands

Thank you for this point

Liliantalks:
these same possibilities r the reason decent girls r decent , n still don’t gain nothing from it

Keep shut. All these unfaithful married men we have up and down are married to this same bad girls isn't it ? We all know what's going on.

To you they dont gain anything because marriage is an achievement. Marriage itself is not an achievement been happily married is . and you and I know faithful men in this generation are so few ... Those better guys are according to you married to this same runs girls . I wonder why we still have cheating men everywhere

Liliantalks:
small small girls kee ? We talking of women in general, woman wey quick spoil enter street meet better guys, look at Jemena for example opening her body everywhere, is happily married

Your mouth like happily married .. They are always happily married until kasala burst on social media . someone like you would have said same about tonto dike and churchill

Emusan:


I've told you never you ask question when you didn't answer my question first!

What are the THINGS that passed through Jesus if you know?

ALL THINGS(Jesus included-acxording to you) THROUGH THE FATHER now the scripture says the SAME ALL THINGS passed through Jesus.

Isn't this an evidence that Jesus was the one who created Himself?

If only you have sense to comprehend . you will have realize that the word " Through the Father " showed what came through the Father was done by himself. He himself was the agent for that creation and that Creation belong to him

We should ask you this, you're the one who claimed!
1. Father created Jesus first
2. Then Jesus was used to create other things

But what did scripture say?

The Bible says, ALL THINGS (Jesus included-according to you) from Father passed through Jesus! Isn't this evident that Jesus passed through Himself?

Recheck
passed THROUGH the FATHER . the Father was the very agent for a certain creation

If Jesus was the agent needed for all, The Father being an agent would be a LIE.

For what creation was the Father an agent ? That's the bone of contention

And if what came through the Father was responsible for other creations , then it means all came from the Father , through him and for him. Through him because that person he made was the agent that brought other creations.

Waoooooo Mr delusion.

Waters FILL THE SEA again

Firstly, you lied and I've been trying to correct you but you're very stubborn to correction.

Job didn't mention WATERS but SEAS which is the reason I even went further to explain the meaning of the choice words used by both JOB and Genesis

Job fits into the six creative days because the USAGE of seas shows different from the body of WATERS GOD CREATED SEAS from in Gen 1:1

It was in Gen 1:10 that God called the gathering of the waters SEAS and according to STRONG the meaning of seas deals with violent which is what Job 38 alluded to because Job 38 says "BURST OUT" this is an act of force or violent.



Only children play hide and seek which is the evidence that you people are not intelligent.

You just confirmd my point

God called gathering of water sea . not that he birth the waters of the sea . in Genesis the water already existed. But Job 38 says God brought the water of the sea to existence. This is where you are wrong.

Who, The Bible or your deluded brother?



Just know that you haven't answered my question yet

You claim Father dwell in eternity before heaven and earth.

Show me where it says the Father dwell in eternity ?

freshboi88:


Oga truth will always triumph over your lies.

Now Learn.....if not for the fact that I am opening your eyes to the truth, you would have paid me for teaching u.

John 3:16 teaches that Jesus is God's "only begotten Son" (King James Version). What does this mean?

The Greek term translated "only begotten" is monogenes, a word used nine times in the New Testament that can mean one of a kind or unique. For example, Luke uses the term three times to refer to an only child (Luke 7:12; 8:42; 9:38).

The writer of Hebrews uses the term to refer to Isaac, the only son of Abraham and Sarah, the son of the promise (Hebrews 11:17). Modern translations generally translate monogenes in John 3:16 as "one and only Son" or "only Son" to reflect this definition.


But does this mean Jesus was somehow born or created by God the Father? It does not. Instead, the emphasis is on Jesus as one in unique relationship with the Father. The Bible often uses Father and Son with God and Jesus to explain their relationship in terms we can better understand as humans, but this does not mean Jesus was created by God the Father.

Other passages in the Bible make this very clear. For example, John 1:1-3 states, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made." Colossians 1:15-17 also emphasizes Jesus creating all things.

The use of monogenes in John 3:16 is similar to what is seen in other passages of Scripture to refer to Jesus as unique. For example, John 1:14 shares, "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth." John 1:18 includes, "No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known." John 3:18 adds, "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God." First John 4:9 notes, "In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him."


I have given you supporting verses to backup for u to see that the bible cannot lie. If ur story is not consistent throughout scripture, then it is wrong.

Now I ask u, contradict this is scripture and stop going round in circles

You see the copy and paste you did didn't help you ... Does been one and only exclude Isaac from been born ?

You are a liar. The truth is getting clear. Son of God title is for created beings. Father precede son

Emusan:


Liar who claimed a writer can't be an Author when the source that himself quoted says otherwise.



Now you're getting more confused.

The same ALL THINGS were created THROUGH HIM and for HIM... that's Jesus!

There must be a competition between the The Father and Jesus since they're struggling who will win this ALL THINGS!



BUT ALL THINGS CREATED was also for HIM Jesus which which means Jesus belongs to HIMSELF

This is getting interesting!



Don't divert our attention to another thing.

If ALL THINGS ARE THROUGH HIM AND FOR HIM--That is Jesus! According to your logic it means Jesus belongs to HIMSELF.

That's the point!

because you're trying to include Jesus in ALL THINGS that came from the Father but EXCLUDED the same Jesus from the SAME ALL THINGS that passed through Him!

" and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God." 1Corinthians 3:23

Christ is included in the all things created for the Father .

But not the same for Jesus.

By means of Jesus his own property, ALL Things Came from the Father , through the Father ( he needed no Jesus to create Jesus , made him through himself) and FOR HIM . Even Christ

So the highlighted was your mistake. Learn again.

I've corrected your ignorance in my post above.

Job didn't use WATERS but seas

Lying liar...

What is in the seas ? Job mention the birth of this water in the sea itself. , something
not mentioned in Genesis creative days.

freshboi88:
Jehovah Witnesses want us to believe that Jesus is God's first creature. They quote the part of scripture that says Jesus is the first born of all God's creature.

I have just 1 verse from the bible that ridicules that false teaching.

John 1:3 God created everything through Jesus and nothing was made without him

Going by this scripture, God used Jesus to create Jesus since Jesus is God's creature and nothing was created without Jesus

I guess they have never reasoned this part of the scripture.

The final scripture that will expose your lies is Romans 11:39 . Something or someone was made THROUGH God the Father . without Jesus.

What exactly is that person or thing ?

Emusan:


Your own source was there for everyone to see how a lying liar can never repent. So I don't need to waste my time on that.

Like I said , Good u are learning

Tell us the ALL THINGS that came through the Father that was different from ALL THINGS that came through Jesus.

Stop being stupid and next time if you don't answer question(s) never ask me any question.

Romans 11:39 all things came from him , THROUGH HIM and For him.

The difference is What came through the Father included Jesus and everything else from Jesus .

If you look at that " FOR HIM " it included Jesus because Jesus belong to the Father too being his creation.

But in the case of Jesus when it says all things are through him and for him . it doesnt include the Father.

In case you forget let me remind you again,

Job 38 was part of the six creative days not part of the first CREATION of Gen 1:1

I showed you that the marginal reference your confused organization cited was Gen 1:9 which happens under the six creative days! So Job 38 perfectly fits into the six creative days not the FIRST CREATION of Gen 1:1

Which I even attached a quote of your deluded organization that shows Gen 1:1 is totally different from the six creative days!

Evidently, Job 38 can't be part of Gen 1:1

So, there is ONLY ONE EVENT THAT HAPPENED AT THE BEGINNING which is Genesis 1:1 for "In the BEGINNING God created the heavens and the earth"

So both Jesus, (angels since you liar have added that), and heavens and the earth can both be created in the beginning unless you will agree that they were all created SIMULTANEOUSLY

Bible told us what was CREATED in the BEGINNING it's lying liar like you, the twister of the word of God that says No! Bible was wrong, Jesus and Angels were first created.

Calm down, Job 38 mentioned the Creation of the waters that fill the sea. Contrary to your lies that earth automatically has water . the Bible saysit was God that covered it with water after he has established its foundation. ( the same foundation of the earth itself the angels witness at Job 38 4-7 )

Genesis creative days never included the birth of waters of the sea.

Emusan:


Didn't something PASSED THROUGH Jesus also?

What is the difference between ALL THINGS that passed through the Father from ALL THINGS that passed through Jesus?

We know what passed through Jesus . but what passed through the Father himself .. Jesus ?

Or was scripture lying the Father made something without using Jesus ?

You didn't answer that as you stylishly boycotted it.

Liar!



You will soon shot yourself in the foot!

No!

So Job 38 cannot refer to creative days . Job 38 mention birth of the waters that fill the sea.

Liar like his father the devil...

You're trying to confuse us but I'm smarter than you and I won't allow that to happen.

I asked, where was Jesus and the angels live since heaven hasn't been created? And we all know that ALL CREATED BEINGS need a SPACE TO OCCUPY

Your deluded brother says with the Father, then he asked me where was the Father before heaven was created which I reply ETERNITY!

He can't object this since the scripture attest to it that the Father lives in eternity.

And we also know that ONLY AN ETERNAL BEING lives in ETERNITY!

Now since you people claimed both Jesus and the Angels joined the Father in ETERNITY?

It then means they are all ETERNAL too, I know you can't with this, yet you still want us to agree with your shallow mind that BOTH CREATED JESUS and The Angels were all EXIST before the CREATION OF HEAVENS.



You haven't answered my question until then I'll answer you.

You are not smart , Barrister was playing hide and seek with you

Show me where it says the Father LIVES in eternity ?

Then we come back to was Jesus God the son then ?

I love where we are in this discussion

Emusan:


You're still twisting your own source....

I know you will never have sense till you die

No reply .. Nice one. Next time dont make that blunder again. There is human writers not human authors for the Bible. Good you are learning

So how does ALL THINGS which come through the Father different from ALL THINGS that come through Jesus?

FATHER and Jesus are different persons .. If one of them came through the other . then the statement is valid.

But if none of them came through another but are separate , Then what exactly came through the Father too ?

Another display of ignorance!
The creation of earth in Gen 1:1 contains the WATERS , why the SEAS is the product of the SIX CREATIVE DAYS

Get that into your empty skull



So which one came first, the creation of the heavens and the earth Gen 1:1 or the six creative days?

because if seas which is a product of six creative days (which your confused organization attested to) suddenly came out of womb again then it's either you lack understanding of that verse or you just decided to be a perpetual liar like your father devil.

I said it , You lack knowledge .

Psalm 104:5,6

He has established the earth on its foundations ( the foundations mentioned in Job 38 . You see your life) ... YOU COVERED IT WITH DEEP WATERS as with a garment . The waters stood above the mountains

So the waters was made AFTER he established the earth on its foundations together with mountains created also within the waters .

So The water was BIRTH after God laid the foundation of the earth ! Job 38 is correct the events precede Creative days.

Emusan:


Now you've jumped to Roman

How does the ALL THINGS(Jesus included) who came from the Father different from ALL THINGS (Jesus included) through Jesus?

Is it the same ALL THINGS that passed through the Father that ALSO PASSED through Jesus or the are different?

Father and Jesus are different persons .

Something Passed through the Father which made him the one through whom all things came . Who or what was made through the Father ?

See the face of a liar once again,

So how can a sea that happened in SIX CREATIVE DAYS suddenly came to existence later?

Like I said, ignorance couple with lies are the main problem that you people have.

I've showed you that Job 38 was part of the SIX CREATIVE DAYS yet your deluded mind couldn't grasp it.

Can you create what already exists ?

What is the rationale behind a created beings exist in ETERNITY?

Only an eternal being can exists in ETERNITY, do you mean both Jesus and the Angels are eternal?

These are the questions I've been asking you idiots since!

The entire live in eternity was coined by you. So deal with it , Jehovah , Jesus and the angels precede creation. Of heaven and earth , so that made them all in your eternity . are Jesus and the angels not all Sons ( creations) of this Father.?


The question now is : Is Jesus God the son in this eternity ?

Janosky:


Matthew 28:18
Jesus said to them:
"All authority have been given to me in heaven and on the earth"
Na Jesus Christ talk am, do you believe his statement?

Who gave Jesus Christ the authority everywhere?

Rev 17:14 = Matthew 28:18. That's how to study the Bible with understanding.

I have answered your question.

Please answer the 6 Bible based questions.
I know you have spiritual knowledge of heavenly things in the Bible.

Don't DODGE , Please.

Janosky' have 6 questions to ask you:

Let's see how honest you are and test your integrity .....

Bros, Please answer questions 1 to 6.

1)
Isaac is One and only ,begotten son.
How is Isaac the one and only begotten son ?

2)
Don't you think Isaac's begotten son status meant something , the same as Jesus one and only begotten status ?

3)
Now we go know whether you really love Jesus.
Whose God and whose Father is Jesus Christ ascending to?

4)
When he was on earth,who did Jesus Christ instruct you to worship?

5)
Rev1:1, in heaven, God gave Jesus the Revelation , who did God's Revelation to Jesus says you should worship?

6)
1 Cor8:5, who are the Lords and Theos in heaven and earth?

Before you attack me or my post,please answer the 6 questions... grin

Oshe gaan.

The six questions will expose him.

Emusan himself is still struggling to wrap creation of the waters in the sea to Genesis 1. while avoiding the Son of God discussion like plague

Emusan:


Author has broader meaning but does it negate a writer being an Author as you claimed in your post?

Lying liar like your father the devil.

You still dont learn.

A writer can only be an author when he can claim legal responsibility for the work which makes him the owner of the writes piece of information.

This men in the Bible cannot claim ownership for the content.

When will you have sense ?

Idiot address my point:

ALL THINGS (Jesus included) came from the Father....
The same ALL THINGS (Jesus included) pass through Jesus!

Then it also means NOT ALL THINGS pass THROUGH Jesus Christ, if Jesus is excluded....and it means God is lying to us!

But what did the scripture says?

It says just as ALL THINGS CAME FROM THE FATHER, ALL THINGS ALSO are THROUGH JESUS!

Lying liar JWs.

All things are also THROUGH the Father .

What came through the Father ?

Tueh!

Which verse are you referring to before I know what to say?



SEAS not Waters

Just as I explained to your deluded brother up, SEAS was used to show the violent gathering of the WATERS before DRY LAND (which includes cornerstone) appears.


The whole earth was covered with WATERS which is very calm and mild.


In fact, the plausible explanation is that, since Angels were not there when HEAVENS AND THE EARTH were created, they will be so surprised and astonished to have seen how a great body of WATERS rose up in violent way to pave way for DRY LAND TO APPEAR.

This witness alone will be such a thing of joy for the angels, had it been they witness the CREATION OF HEAVENS AND THE EARTH in Gen 1:1 There's nothing there for them to surprise because you will agree with me that creation of HEAVEN alone will surpass that of earth in thousand time.

You must died in your ignorance!

Where did the waters come from , are they created ? Yes.

Been brought from womb is an act of creation.

Emusan:


And the same ALL THINGS are THROUGH JESUS does not exclude Jesus...FIXED!

Is it not the same ALL THINGS that came from the Father that also PASS THROUGH JESUS?

No, something passed through the Father too , which make the scripture says the ALL THINGS CAME THROUGH THE FATHER - Romans 11:29
Jesus must be the work of his hands to claim that Glory.

Gen 1:1 IN THE BEGINNING God created the Heavens and the earth

I've explained the usage of the womb in that verse.

From your own confused organization translation the cited scripture for Job 38:8 are Psalms 33:7 "He gathers the seawaters like a dam; (a) He puts the surging waters in storehouses." and Prov 8:29 "When he set a decree for the sea
That its waters should not pass beyond his order, (a) When he established* the foundations of the earth,"

Look at the two bracket (a) it's a marginal reference guess where it referenced? Genesis 1:9

Yet you deluded people have been trying to shift the event of Job outside the SIX CREATIVE DAYS!

You are a Liar . Devil is your mentor

That was cited for part A: doors for the sea.

Not its coming from WOMB

You can bring from womb what is already in existence. Womb is an act of creation.

Answer my question first!

And I will answer your question.

Is Jesus God the Son in eternity ?

freshboi88:


This man sef...I know u r learned

Now c....it is not the same


“To him who sits on the throne [b]and to the Lamb

be praise and honor and glory and power,

for ever and ever!”[/b]

They specifically used to word 'And'. Where they also honour Jehovah too?

Mind u the cases u said was on earth. This one is in heaven.... Jesus is worshipped in the same breadth as the Father.

Isaac is an only begotten son, does that mean Isaac wasn't born like every other sons ?


The term " Son of God " is for created beings

freshboi88:


Why did God not make u divine, are u not his son too?


So inessence God gave Jesus divine attribute then you are saying God made Jesus God?

God gave his sons divine nature , Do you think only Jesus is divine . human sons of God are divine too . Grow up

More proof that Jesus is a son like every other sons. Son shows he was created.

Emusan:


It's justice to you because both of you lack sense!

All things came from the Father does not exclude Jesus . .

Liar.....
After I show you GREEK STRONG...

The usage of the SEAS differentiated it from WATERS which God split....That's why in Job 38 the description is sort of VIOLENT action which is the meaning of the SEAS according to STEONG!

The question is, why didn't Gen 1:2 use SEAS?

It's evident that, at the six creative days it was when a violent gathering of WATERS occurred which God called SEAS.



You're a perpetual liar....

Even when I post the meaning of both MAYIM and AYAM from STRONG you can still spew this thrash.

You can see how ignorant you are now
Look at this your own statement "but at Job 38:8 it says the Sea ( waters filling it ) once burst from from womb ( Womb birth , born , came into existence )

You intentionally inserted WOMB birth, BORN, came into existence when the reference to womb was to demonstrate THE VIOLENT FORCE of the gathering of the SEAS.




Stop lying.....
If cornerstone wasn't part of creative days, why did God command DRY LAND to appear?

Does CORNERSTONE not the one holding DRY LAND in place?

Ole...

Once again, Gen 1 it's only the beginning no other beginning!

Check the usage of the word Womb I'm the entire bible it refer to Been born, Coming into existence . Genesis 1 does nor mention the waters been born , it only says they are gathered .

IGNORING PART:
You haven't explained the rational of a CREATED BEING EXISTS ETERNITY because you're busy ignoring that part.

Explain how a CREATED BEINGS (Jesus and the angels) join the Father in ETERNITY because only ETERNAL BEING can exist in ETERNITY.

Do you want to tell us that both Jesus and the Angels are also ETERNAL?

Good u came back to this.
Is Jesus God the son in this eternity ?

Emusan:


The @underlined is real funny and just shows how a liar like you will never repent.

You quoted Wikipedia when you're to define "who is Author?" but when you want to define "Who is a writer?" your source of information suddenly change. Why? because you know Wikipedia will expose your lie, that's why you can say the @underlined.

You still refuse to learn .
From Wikipedia


" The term writer is often used as a synonym of author, although the latter term has a somewhat broader meaning and is used to convey legal responsibility for a piece of writing , even if its composition is anonymous, unknown or collaborative. "

Author has broader meaning , an author is the owner of the piece of writing. When will you have sense ?

And your empty brain couldn't phantom also that the same "ALL THINGS (Jesus included) pass THROUGH Jesus which means Jesus is the one who created Himself.

Then It means not all things came from the Father if Jesus is excluded. But we know you are the Liar here and that's why Jesus is a son. Father preceded the son.

Coming from the chief of most ignorant.



After I pointed out that Job 38 talked about SEAS you can still openly lied that Job 38 says the Angels witness when the WATERS were birth.

Gen 1 used WATERS it was during the six creative days that the word SEAS first used.

See how you exposed your ignorance and lying attitude again.

As it stands, Gen 1 it's only THE BEGINNING that happened first!

Again JWs are wrong and liar! Just as their father the devil

The waters are gathered together NOT BROUGHT INTO EXISTENCE in Genesis 1.

Job 38 says they were there when it burst from WOMB , brought to existence.

Sense !

freshboi88:


Remember what i told u. Human Analogyto the things of the Spirit. Isaac is human so was Abraham. Doesnt apply here.

Isaac is a son, Jesus and the angels are also son... Who Father them ? By what process were the Sons of God produced, Creation ?

Why was Jesus worshipped in heaven pls Answer....whybr u dodging that question

Sons of God are created being. So a created being cannot be worshipped in your own words that translation should be honor or respect. Its an error in translation just as it happened for Daniel and David.