Biglittlelois: What if she is actually just posting it without any thought of you at all?? Its obvious the pictures got to you that's why you came here to whine about it, you can always block her you know.
You just hit the nail on the head. Ignore her and move on. Smh
I am copy pasting from the link you provided One thing that later generations might do with their super-powerful computers is run detailed simulations of their forebears or of people like their forebears. In this claim the so called the later generations are creating a simulation, they are the creators.= This is creationism being talked about.
You guys are implying that it would be impossible to say that nobody created us if the sim hypothesis was true and i demonstrated that is not the case.
Not exactly, sir......
You are claiming that a simulation could come into existence on its own. ( Which is another debate ) That's not the simulation hypothesis.
Simulation hypothesis is based on some beings deliberately creating a sim.
Basically the hypothesis says " if we can build computers that can run realistic simulations , then someone else must have been able to do that too, and they may have created us, therefore we could be in a sim".
That someone else could be us in another life/ dimension/ universe or some other beings , but no matter who they might be they are the creators. = This is creationism.
Maybe its not exactly the creationism as we are used to hear from religious people as stated in bible or other religious books , but it still is creationism.
Now don't twist it , i am not defending any religious ideology here, and i am personally an atheist , but we have to be objective about it and when all the evidence suggest that this must be the case then we can not deny it just because it goes against our belief system.
TheArranger: I disagree with this one. If the universe is infinite, then everything that is possible to happen will happen. Then brain-in-a-vats will emerge from dumb matter. It is extremely hard for brain-in-a-vats to emerge from dumb matter, but this process will have infinite amount of time to happen.
Even if we would accept that , that it was possible, its still not the simulation hypothesis .
If the simulation theory is true then creationism must be true as well.
shakmati: I like NnennaG6's musings. A point I would like to develop is the certainty of everyrhing if we are in a simulated environment. That means the ceator(s) know the exact response to every action as it is in the codes. What if it is programmed that if the character believes in the existence of the creator, it gets upgraded at the end of the level to ....... Lol. What if the characters were programmed to think and act the way they do. Just the way the particle responds 'not knowing' if there will be human presence or not. Are we then really agents of free thought?
Crazy musings @johnydon22. It's mind blowing thinking about how many levels of reality could exist out there. In recent times I have found myself dreaming of events that would occur the next day. Has my programme been tweaked to give me an advantage or was I programmed to do this before now.? I totally agree that this our reality is never all there is to reality. The levels of reality might be more than we can fathom with the limited processing power of our microcosm of a universe. I however also believe that we are products of a creator. That means we are from the thought process of a superior being. If there is a part of the code that gets me translated from merely participating on the interface to being part of the creator, won't that mean eternal life? *crazy thoughts* lol
Now, consider again the futility of the characters in this simulation trying to fully comprehend the creator if the creator does not include that possibility in the simulation. Interesting topic really!
NnennaG6: So i was watching a movie about a week ago titled "The Thirteenth Floor", and its been on mind for quite some time. Now i've come to a conclusion: We are living in a simulated reality and experiments already carried out prove it.
Crazy right? If that caught your attention stick with me a while and I'll walk you through it.
Particles react one way when being viewed by a human.
Particles react differently when not viewed by a human.
Particles fired down experimental tubes unaware if a human would be at the end, measured at the start of the tube and the end of the tube.
When there was a human at the end the particle acted like there would be a human at the end even when it didn't know there would be because it would only find out in the future if a human was present.
When fired down the same tube with no human at the end to watch, the particle was measured acting the way it does when no human is present at the beginning and at the end, before it could possibly know there would be no human present.
Just like when you are looking down a road in a computer game, everything that's behind you in said computer game isn't there because it's not on screen, the particles aren't "on" because you are not looking at them, if you then turn around they are on, you can't however catch them unaware that you are going to turn them "on." they know in advance. This is how all particles work.
So what would need to be true if this were a simulation. One day the world would just start like a computer turning on. It would be off one minute and on the next kind of like a big bang.
The world would be entirely made up of coded laws, like gravity, enersia and there would be a speed limit just like the speed of light, because there is a maximum speed at which a computer can run like all computers. When traveling at the speed of light we believe time slows down, just like when you are near large amounts of mass such as a black hole. Why would time slow down? Because of the limitations on our simulator. Traveling at the fastest speed possible and being next to large mass would require large amounts of processing power taxing our simulation slowing it down.
Would we see computer code in the world we live in? We've already found it. String theory which is earths best mathematical explanation for the world we live in has computer code in it.
Having established this, 1)If we were in a simulation then doesn't that follow that the creator(s) of that simulation should be GOD(S) to us? 2)If the creators of simulations are considered GOD(s) are we GODS too if we can create them?
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Curious points here......
SImulation Hypothesis claims that we are simulated , aka created, that there is a simulator somewhere processing some kind of data and creating us......
This is a type of creationism. So if we are going to accept that the simulation hypothesis could be true , then we have to accept that at least some kind of creationism must be in play.......
You simply can not play the simulation game if you have no computer. Just as you need a computer to run ( = create) the game you also need a simulator to create this universe............
So if there is no creator and no god(s) the simulation hypothesis can not be true. This is undeniable.........
shadeyinka: Time isn't a creation! Time resulted because of the physical world. It's simply the interval/duration of wait between two physical events.
Doesn't the part underlined imply that time wouldn't exist but for god?
Nothing is a "Proof of God"!
Not sure what this means
I believe you define quails as : Individual instances of subjective, conscious experience.
We all have subjective experiences such as intuition, trance, dejavus, sometimes vision and even auditory.
To me, it's an evidence that perception may not just exist using our 5 senses. Maybe we have other senses other than this.
Like: How does a chicken know it should brood on her eggs? How do they figure out how to mate? How do some animals use the earth's magnetic field to navigate?
Qualia are weird. They're a philosophical concept that I'm not a fan of that refer to the conscious experience of thought as distinct from the thought process itself. They are based on the idea that a person could behave entirely normally without ever actually being conscious, and they call these entities p-zombies.
Basically, they're making the assumption that consciousness is something extra that the brain does, something that observes the decision-making process without affecting it, and they then ask why it would be evolutionarily advantageous. The flaw in that assumption is that we have no indication that a fully functioning brain can exist without consciousness. Consciousness may simply be the mechanism by which integrative neural tissue functions.
Proponents of p-zombies also try to invoke [url=https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor]Occam's Razor[/url] by arguing that assuming that someone else is conscious is less parsimonious than it is to assume that they are not because consciousness is an extra, unobservable trait, but this fails the logic test because the one test case that everyone has (themselves) is conscious. It's more parsimonious to assume that sapience is always paired with consciousness than it is to assume that sapient beings can either be conscious or not.
Yes!
The only problem is that we (humans) can only measure cause and effect relative to our universe. We don't have any yardstick to describe what happened before the big bang.
I'll need you to demonstrate your assertion properly
This is an interesting question. BUT Just slow down a little and you'll understand.
Time is a measure of interval between two or more physical events. The physical universe happened at the big bang time T=0 and it started from a pin point and the universe is still expanding today.
Now, time isn't absolute: it's a measure of interval between physical events where the starting point is always T=0 and ending at any further time later. Like a track race is always measured from time T=0
In other words, if you can set a reference time before the big bang, you can measure times before the universe.
God predates our time T=0 and that is why He could be the cause of the Universe
I'm still at a loss as to why there has to be anything prior to the universe. If you believe in an eternal god, is it so hard to believe in an eternal universe?
shadeyinka: Very good question. 1. God exists beyond time as the first "cause" that generated "events" : this looks like a statement and yes it is! For there must exist a first "cause" that led to every other physical things.
Special pleading.... God of the gaps......
2. Because we exist with consciousness, then there is no reason why God cannot exist.
Are you trying to say that the existence of qualia is proof of god?...... Because there's no evidence that qualia can be abstracted from thought processes in general.... Consciousness may just be how the brain works.
3. If God was to be the "first cause", he must not be subject to the physical laws for all known physical laws existed after time T=0. As Christians, we know God as a Spirit.
Can there be cause-and-effect outside of time?
How could God have created Himself: that would have been an impossibility except God had always existed.
Time is part of the very fabric of the universe...... If the universe started to exist then so did time. How can anything eternal predate the beginning of time? It's like saying Santa lives north of the north pole.
@shadeyinka & UyiIredia If the universe couldn't create itself, then how could God create himself? The best I've heard from theists explained to me is god exists outside of time which personally I think is a massive cop out of an interesting question
IHate9jerianss: TheKingIsHere,she has spoken not Oya,obey her command right this minute
I can smell the fear.... Why walk into a storm without an umbrella, sir? Abi dindinrin f'edi si e ni Did a fool open yansh for you?
Me as i dey here, i no go even touch your matter. Sabrine & The King don settle 4 u already. If I put hand, that one na triple wahala for dead rat body. The King knows already. This is not my first time here
IAmSabrina: Lol. He's already inches closer to his coffin. But the mist of stupidity and ignorance still clouds him Your business will be available soon
IHate9jerianss: Hahaha...What mercy? Do you know how I knew she was going to do nada? She began her first few posts directed at me with threats. That is always the giveaway of cowards
jesusjnr: Lol! This my own joke with another moniker dey still dey crack me up!
At least I dey transparent and honest, and no dey like one fraudster wey dey hide under different monikers with different genders dey like my own posts and comments like one Satan zombie for here whose zombism case worse pass others.
Famousbabe: Here is the moment a young lady felt she could beat up a guy in her class. She attacked the guy while the guy kept calm and tried to avoid her troubles.
But the girl was adamant, she continued to slap, hit and kick the guy, but what happened next when the guy retaliated shocked the girl.
The person that shared the video which has gotten over 800,000 views online captioned it: "You want to claim strong by beating a guy who is just on his own doing his thing, you later got the beating you wanted and now you are shocked he did it. Women are the most confusing creatures on this earth ���"
ABCthings: I decided to create this thread out of necessity The rise of Atheists have been quite disturbing as some complete ignorant that should never be taken seriously!---Don't waste time replying them, they should always be ignored!
While others are so convincing and can end up misleading you for the rest of your life.Do your best in avoiding them--- they are Devil's workers and frustrating a Christian life is their area of speciality, Trade Mark!
One thing common to the two groups above is that they don't answer honest question but say things like the burden of proof is on...which brings us to the third kind the one that sincerly seek direction in life.They are rare though 'cause after reading the Bible with an open mind they become one of the first two.
Back to the main purpose of the thread; I decided to pulish their names here and other info I'll update as the spirit leads...
Ooh....ooh...I'm an atheist!......look at me!.... Yoo-hoo!!
Ihedinobi3: The very first time that you address me you found it necessary to insult me as well. Very interesting.
A warped concept of free will, you say. What is the straight one and where does it come from? Are you going to make a straw man for me? I have observed that atheists in their arrogance often think they know what the Bible says and then proceed to throw straw men everywhere claiming that those ridiculous constructs have something to do with the Bible and Christians are responsible to defend them. Is that what you have in mind when you think of free will: a straw man?
As for your question, obviously not. God's knowledge of all things is complete. Nothing takes Him by surprise.
Are you now going to repeat that travesty of an argument that omniscience magically negates free will? IAmSabrina already made it, you know.
Ihedinobi3: As for your question, obviously not. God's knowledge of all things is complete. Nothing takes Him by surprise.
Then there is no freewill. Simple The rest of your rant couldn't bother me less honestly.
Ihedinobi3: Up to this moment, I have been trying to keep the conversation out of absurdity but "freethinking", as your kind calls it, is wont to jump straight into absurdity after huffing and puffing fails.
What does "alter our free will" mean? If free will is altered, is it still free will? This is precisely the same thing as assuming that omnipotence means the ability to do contradictory things. So, if God is all-powerful, then He must also be able to lie, for example. What do these things mean?
As for creating somebody to go to hell, see my last response to you. Additionally, you are exactly right that we were made for Him. Exactly right. Therefore, how dare anyone rebel against Him?
Look, for example, at the atheistic position. You say that no God exists. When you are asked why you believe such a thing, you claim to have no evidence of His Existence. So then, how come you exist? How are you here? Your answers end up at "I don't know, no one knows." In other words, you completely reject a perfectly reasonable explanation for your existence in favor of complete ignorance. And that is the intellectually superior position for the lot of you!
Obviously, you didn't create yourself. Obviously something or someone caused you to exist. Why does it not register with you that if anything is powerful enough to produce something as awesome and incredible as you with your self-awareness and ability to reason that even the most talented animals completely lack, then that thing or person must have a reason for you to exist? It is entirely because you want to be responsible to no one at all that you pretend that your existence is a complete mystery. That mysteriousness gives you the delusion that you might be God yourself so that you can make your own rules and do as you please.
Clearly, if God made you, then He has a right to be obeyed by you. If you don't obey Him, whether it is because you are unable to do so or it is because you just don't want to do so, He has absolutely every right to throw you into the Lake of Fire with no resulting stain on His Character. In what way are you equal to Him that you would judge Him? You simply can't since you are His product.
This is painfully obvious in all of human experience. We do what we want with our possessions, especially with the ones that we produce. Why should God not do the same?
Been observing your arguments on this topic and I have to say you have a very warped concept of free will.... Unlike others here, i have neither the time nor the desire to start writing down epistles, so I just need you to settle down, stop flinging your faeces all over the place and answer this one question: Can we make a choice that god did not expect?