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MuttleyLaff:
Are you and budaatum bed mates? Is this some weird kind of pillow talk because I dont know what all this is about displaying emotions. I am in chillax mode and nothing ontowards is going on. Dont get your hopes too much high, I am a simple and sweet person and so my responses too wil be simple, sweet and uncomplicated but knowing you, who you are and what you are, you will ....

Laughed out loud at this remark. I own up, my hands in the air, yeah, I confess, I did set some bobby traps for you. You knew it and thats why you tried treading softly and being evasive earlier on

Just saw this. SMH.

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Muttley, save all this corny remarks of yours for when you've come back with legitimate arguments. But be warned....
It would be a shame to return back to this thread as you're leaving now: clueless, without reasonable counter arguments, resorting to cringey jokes to remain in the discussion etc. If you fail to impress me this time....
As your name suggests, Muttley, you're a dog.... and when a dog gets backed into the corner, it gets defensive
I'm waiting....

budaatum:
Don't you dare let him start going on about your knickers! He writes those meaningless and irrelevant patronising words when he's cornered and has nothing relevant to say. I'm calling it the "muttley kitchen sink approach", except nothing sticks where he's concerned!

. You must be very good friends to know him so well like this

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MuttleyLaff:
Keep your knickers on, what kind of person do you take me for? And what are you unnecessarily getting your knickers in a twist over for, hmm? I will take you to the river, but even you know this much, that I can't force you to drink the water. I can only tell you the truth. I can't, if you are bent on hanging on to your untruth, make you believe the truth I'll soon share with you. I must warn you though, that since you've been in the dark so long, the light of the truth, the epiphany, can be harsh to you.

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Fancy you telling me to keep my knickers on when you've let yours down around the ankle and you're displaying all this emotion like an elderly woman . Like I said, you've hyped me up to expect great responses soon and I'm holding you to your words. Do take your time, Sir Muttley. Wouldn't want you setting mouse traps for yourself this time

MuttleyLaff:
Thank you very very much for directly and prefectly well answering those questions. I actually like the succint binary response. It was just the way I wanted the answers to be. I don't know about you, but personally I like hold prisoners by their wrists, that way escape won't be that an easy option. The hunter will soon turn into the hunted, and I can smell the prey and fright.

JujuSugar, I am right now, at the moment, sat in my car reading this, let me get upstairs, change clothes, refreshen up, grab a bite and then settle down, put my feet up, to come read properly your comment.

Laughing out loud at the hair flicking. SMH. You don't know momoh.

Now you have me hyped up. I'm eagerly awaiting your response. It will be a crime to let me down after all this mouth you've made Mr. Muttley

MuttleyLaff:
I know this comment isn't addressed to me but is to CodeTemplar, still it is necessary that I share that God having foreknowledge, which essentially, is what predetermination means, doesn't in anyway affect your choices and/or freewill. What will happen, will happen as God permits it to happen. There are rules your freewill is subjected to, there are principles, your freewill respects and would not violate, if it does violate any, then undoubtedly face up to the consequence(s)

Its not just about foreknowledge.... hence why I added omnipotence. God is the first cause. He's the ALPHA & OMEGA. He chose the constants of the universe while creating it such that I'm here having this tête-à-tête with you. If you don't agree with this, then you're basically saying that God wasn't omnipotent before the universe's conception. Your "free will" is an illusion if YHWH exists.

MuttleyLaff:
Sometimes it gets tiring when one becomes sounding like a broken record JujuSugar.

You're telling me, lol

MuttleyLaff:
Jephthah did not barbecue or roast his daughter. There wasn't any plan to offer a burnt human sacrifice to God. Accusing me of dishonesty or saying I haven't a clue what I am talking about, is just a figment of your imagination and evidence of the world of fantasy you live in.

Hmmmm....
https://www.nairaland.com/4990896/why-did-god-tell-abraham/4
MuttleyLaff: Jephthah clearly stated in Judges 11:31a that if its human or animal that comes out to meet, such will be dedicated to God's purpose, then went on in Judges 11:31b to qualify his earlier pronounced vow, that, if it happens to be an animal, then it animal will be given up as a burnt offering to God

JujuSugar: Twisting the scriptures to suit your argument - Christian logic #101
Sir Muttley, @bolded please specify exactly where in the bible Jephthah indicated this exemption...

MuttleyLaff: I numerous times already have, but because you do selective reading, you only read what you want to see and believe

JujuSugar: LMAO. I've caught you, Mr. Muttley
Please point to the part of Judges chapter 11 where Jephthah made an exception for sacrifice IF it was an animal that came out. Don't dodge this please. I'm waiting....
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MuttleyLaff:
Please watch my mouth and read my lips. There was no incident of burnt human being offering sacrificed to God by Jephthah

Proof?....

MuttleyLaff:
What's so difficult in or frightful about just straight up answering those four questions

I have read all your warped and misunderstood predestination and freewill malarkey. I know about all the gaping holes in them and that is why I have asked you those four deliberate questions, that you stylishly have directly and outrightly avoided answering

Let me bring it your level, Muttleylaff, since you don't how to "interprete" statements...

1/ Are you in control of your freewill, is it you or God?

God

2/ Who takes the credit for all choices, good or bad you make, is it you or God?

God

3/ Do you believe your every moment, step and move in life has been predetermined to the point you have no autonomy or say in the whole matter?

Yes

4/ Explain how and what you mean by everybody's life is predetermined.

Lifting from my previous post, cause I have neither the time nor crayons to start all over for you:
The Christian YHWH is claimed to be the creator of everything and to have the attribute of omniscience. In defining omniscience, I posit that the attribute of omniscience should first and foremost be applied to the internal cognition of this Deity; then omniscience can be defined as: the Deity has, at a minimum, true or perfect knowledge of the results or actualizations of all cognition's by the Deity. That is, the Deity knows, to a level of complete certainty, any event whatsoever, the actual actualization that results from purposeful cognition by the Deity.

The combination of omniscience and the purposeful cognition of the creation of everything (as The Creator Deity) results in a wholly hard deterministic universe, or total and full predestination; free will is an illusion and all of existence (sans the Deity - the issue how this Deity came to exist is outside this discussion area) is a script to be played out without variation.

Even the Bible supports the position of hard determination: God's Will is inviolable, God is the alpha and omega, is sovereign and in control, the alpha and omega, not a sparrow falls to the ground apart from God's will, etc.

Predestination cannot exist with free will

CodeTemplar:
Predestination simply means God predestined you for something, usually a career and that is different from God knowing what you will eventually become. He knows your outcome and did predestinated you but your free will stands between you fulfilling that purpose or not.
He gave us the choice to choose between life and death, remember that? It means you were designed for something and you are admonished to find out that thing and answer God's calling on your life.
Predestination isn't exactly foreknowledge.

At least you've admitted that God knows the outcome of every individual. That's one point clarified. Now let's move on...
The problem is that if God knows what you will choose, it means you are only ever going to choose that one thing.
It means that the choice is an illusion — it means that, even though it looks like you could be an accountant, the only true reality is that you will become a doctor.
Otherwise, how could God know it? The fact that God knows something implies that it will be true.
Think of it this way:
a) God knows you will become a doctor.
b) If God knows something to be true, it is true, no matter what. (This is because all knowledge in the universe is contained in him)
c) It is true, no matter what, that you will become a doctor.
d) If you are a doctor, you cannot be an accountant.
e) If God knows you will be a doctor, He also knows you will not become an accountant.
f) It is absolutely true, no matter what, that you will not become an accountant.
Let me put it this way:
If God knows you will become a doctor, that means it is at the very least possible to know what choices people will make. If it is even remotely possible to know the outcome of any decision a person makes, it is meaningless to regard what they do as an actual choice. It may appear to be a choice, but in reality, there is only one, known outcome. If God knows you will become a doctor, it means that you never had the choice. You can't become an accountant, because God can't ever be wrong. Ever. God knows everything, meaning He cannot be misinformed, and by extension, cannot be wrong about things, or be lied to about them. If there is a God, one who is omniscient, and truly knows all, there is no allowance for free will in our universe.

CodeTemplar:
That girl is more concerned about justifying her no-God-exists stance and will twist even English to suite it. She confuses predestination with foreknowledge and starts blaming God for all her own flaws and actions.

Fixed your post for you , I'm a girl actually....
There is nothing to twist here. You & MuttleyLaff are the ones who can't seem to grasp where I'm coming from regards this issue.
https://www.thoughtco.com/atheism-incompatible-with-free-will-moral-choice-248350
Cc. budaatum, CreepyBlackpool, LordReed

CodeTemplar:
You sound like an examiner with that last line but I assure you, you need to be examined well. Even when you decided what to type, God is still at fault? And in addition to that you had to believe God exist in other to infer that He doesn't exist?
Confusion is a subconscious thing so I won't blame you much.

LMAO. Sure thing. Keep wrestling with yourself in the mud over there
I've asked you to demonstrate how predestination and free will can co-exist, so until you do so..... you really can't talk.

CodeTemplar:
You succeeded in speaking many English but will this hard determination also include the things you are typing about God here?

Yes

CodeTemplar:
If yes, then it means you can't afford to type a contradicting message on your phone this moment because, to you, either God hard coded/predestinated it or God knew it before you typed it and God who knew what you were going to say and in fact type next, is responsible because he knew what you were going to say.

Right on the money

CodeTemplar:
You are denying your own free will and blaming God for it. If Satan hadn't rebelled against God I am sure he would have claimed he isn't capable of rebelling against God.

Wake up and smell the coffee, sir. There's no denial here. This is what it all boils down to:
If YHWH is an omnipotent, omniscient being, then it simply means that he created the universe such that he has already predetermined all events. Denying this would mean that God lacked these attributes at the conception of the universe. Given that diseases, natural disasters, suffering and pain all exist in our universe, we have two options:
a) YHWH is malevolent
b) YHWH doesn't exist
Take your pick

@MuttleyLaff, I'm going to ignore the fact that you've conviently dodged my question in my last post to you . At least you've admitted that you were either being dishonest or you just had literally NO idea what you were talking about there . So let me entertain your request

MuttleyLaff:
1/ Are you in control of your freewill, is it you or God?
2/ Who takes the credit for all choices, good or bad you make, is it you or God?
3/ Do you believe your every moment, step and move in life has been predetermined to the point you have no autonomy or say in the whole matter?

These three questions basically lead to the same point: God's existence terminates free will. Make of that what you will.

MuttleyLaff:
4/ Explain how and what you mean by everybody's life is predetermined.

Go back to my previous posts. I've explained it perfectly well and the more rational users and possible lurkers of this thread can bear me witness. If you still don't get it, I can't help you there.

CodeTemplar:
I missed it please sample it again. I need to know your claim.

Permit me to start afresh...

The Christian YHWH is claimed to be the creator of everything and to have the attribute of omniscience. In defining omniscience, I posit that the attribute of omniscience should first and foremost be applied to the internal cognition of this Deity; then omniscience can be defined as: the Deity has, at a minimum, true or perfect knowledge of the results or actualizations of all cognition's by the Deity. That is, the Deity knows, to a level of complete certainty, any event whatsoever, the actual actualization that results from purposeful cognition by the Deity.

The combination of omniscience and the purposeful cognition of the creation of everything (as The Creator Deity) results in a wholly hard deterministic universe, or total and full predestination; free will is an illusion and all of existence (sans the Deity - the issue how this Deity came to exist is outside this discussion area) is a script to be played out without variation.

Even the Bible supports the position of hard determination: God's Will is inviolable, God is the alpha and omega, is sovereign and in control, the alpha and omega, not a sparrow falls to the ground apart from God's will, etc.

Predestination cannot exist with free will

MuttleyLaff:
[s]You are, what you are. Trust me, if I were God and knowing what and all I know about you, your bitchiness and all, I'll probably would not let you see the light of existence, but then God is more forgiving than I am, God is in more control of affair of things more than I am, so your tiny lucky arse sees the light of day on early and you are still here taking in oxygen[/s]

Lol, based on the jargon you just wrote I can tell you're getting emotional . Its not my fault you don't understand the concepts of predestination. You better pour some water in that pot before it gets damaged.

MuttleyLaff:
Glad we sing from the same hymnn hymn book there

Yeah. But only one of us understands the lyrics

MuttleyLaff:
It is the show-stopper, the spanner thrown in the wheel of fantasy that Jephthah barbecued his daughter

It's not relevant, MuttleyLaff. Just give up. You're trying to fit a camel through the eye of a needle

MuttleyLaff:
How many times do you want me to refute this. Watch my mouth and read my lips, it did not happen. Jephthah, even never nursed an idea to barbecue a human being. That is fake news

So why did he sacrifice his daughter then?

MuttleyLaff:
Good, then go back to read what I dropped about pronouns in one of my earliest posts on this thread

The emphasis you're laying on this pronoun stuff is... quite sad and desperate to be honest. If really the pronoun mattered, Jephthah wouldn't have even bother himself when his daughter came out.

MuttleyLaff:
I numerous times already have, but because you do selective reading, you only read what you want to see and believe

LMAO. I've caught you, Mr. Muttley
Please point to the part of Judges chapter 11 where Jephthah made an exception for sacrifice IF it was an animal that came out. Don't dodge this please. I'm waiting....

MuttleyLaff:
So just because the author knows everything about the character, the book should not be written or acted in a play, huh?

Even in a play, the actors have to follow the script; and the end of the script has already been planned before hand by the scriptwriters and directors. Keep chasing your shadow, sir. You're like a rat struggling to wriggle out of a trap at this point.

MuttleyLaff:
Don't you dare use that tone with me madam. Keep it in check

I feel your pain . But your misery and anxiety can only be quelled if you stop trying to distort the issue here.

CodeTemplar:
Stop being redundant bros. Gods omnipotence and omniscient nature doesn't contradict free will.

I've demonstrated my claim. You demonstrate yours.

CodeTemplar:
If God doesn't give men the chance to act out their hearts, man will claim they are not capable of doing such since it never happened. It is like a poor man hoping to hammer or hit big so he can date one of the 'big' girls in town. if he gets the money he plans to date the girl and will, God already knows but is hesitant in blessing that man financially. The man goes to God and accuses God of starving him before men and finally God tests him by giving him his wish of money and boom! ... He goes to sin by dating that girl.
Finally he has followed his heart and somebody somewhere hurt by the act, may a wife to the man, starts saying God is wicked or bad for allowing his husband to cheat. Is God really wicked? Never. His anger is there, agreed but God isn't a bully.

The man had his will power all along. Remember Adam named all the animals in the garden and whatever name he gave them God agreed to it.

Man has a free will and God won't stifle it just to force us into heaven, instead he has prepared his word to feed our spirit and help strengthen our mind, soul, and spirit.

You're limiting God's omnipotence and omniscience here. These two can't coexist with free will. I'm open to correction if you think they aren't mutually exclusive concepts

MuttleyLaff:
It's hilarious you saying God is responsible for your sins

And its baffling how ignorant you are of the relationship between predestination and free will

MuttleyLaff:
Cripple

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MuttleyLaff:
People don't want to believe the truth because it will shatter their illusions

I know right? Its crazy

MuttleyLaff:
It does as a crucial specimen of evidence matter

Advertise it all you want. It's irrelevant

MuttleyLaff:
Don't hit a man, talkess talk less a madam, when down. The pronoun you've just confirmed is self evidence.

It's not. If it is then why didn't God caution Jephthah from sacrificing his daughter if the pronoun is as vital as you're making it to be?

MuttleyLaff:
I am sure you took English classes in primary and secondary school

I did. I'm equally sure you have the ability to read?

MuttleyLaff:
Where did you get the warped idea God accepts sacrifice of children? Jephthah clearly stated in Judges 11:31a that if its human or animal that comes out to meet, such will be dedicated to God's purpose, then went on in Judges 11:31b to qualify his earlier pronounced vow, that, if it happens to be an animal, then it animal will be given up as a burnt offering to God

Twisting the scriptures to suit your argument - Christian logic #101
Sir Muttley, @bolded please specify exactly where in the bible Jephthah indicated this exemption...

CodeTemplar:
If you are asking God to take away our will do act creatively and destructively entirely, then you are asking God to turn the human race into a computer simulation.
In Eden, Adam ate the tree of knowledge of good and bad. That tells us there was a preceding factor in the case of Jephthah. Stop blaming God for all your woes and start looking more at yourself.

The idea of an omniscient, omniscient being contradicts the idea of free will. If God knows perfectly all future events, then all future events have already happened, therefore existence would ultimately be pointless and unimaginably drab. God is the author of the book and we're just characters in it. Every choice you make has already been written. He knows the end from the beginning. Denying this would be denying God's omni qualities.

MuttleyLaff:
This your scenario is so amateurish and full of naivety because of not understanding and knowing that God's integrity and His love is unquestionable. His character has no stain, blot or blemish. No one can scandalise God.

What's so hard for you to understand about the concepts of free will and predetermination,Mr. MuttleyLaff? You still haven't justified God's role in the Jephthah issue, so till then, kindly buzz off.

CodeTemplar:
God may know but Jephthah knew it was a possibility before vowing.
It isn't about God here but Jephthah.

A man who pretends to be a cab driver or tricycle operator to kidnap his victims shouldn't turn around and blame God if caught because God knew he was going to be caught.

He knew he could be caught.

Don't you see the problem here? How can a loving God know that someone would commit a crime, but let him go ahead even when the said crime will endanger both him and his victims?

LordReed:
Yeah but you still get attempts to wash the story. Even on here you see MuttleyLaff challenging the narrative that Jephthah actually roasted his daughter.

I swear. These christians have an annoying habit of being dodgy as fvck.

MuttleyLaff:
Classic! I love this.

Ok

MuttleyLaff:
Coolio

Lame

MuttleyLaff:
He was in the first part of the vow thinking of whatever comes to meet him, human being or otherwise, and then clarified his intention in the second part of the vow what he will do, if what comes out happens to be an animal

Sir Muttley, @bolded please specify where in the bible Jephthah indicated this clarification

MuttleyLaff:
It is the issue. The pronoun is a game changer. The pronoun is truth standing and on steroids.

Seriously. It doesn't matter

MuttleyLaff:
Would you kindly please tell all and remind others, what is the pronoun used in Judges 11:31b Madam JujuSugar?

The pronoun used is "it". Your point?

MuttleyLaff:
That's because you are in denial

No. Its because you're desperately trying to distort the verses as much as you possibly can to deny the obvious moral of the story: God is fundamentally evil and a narcisstic sociopath who accepts the sacrifice of children without second thoughts. He has no excuse here because he knew exactly who would come out and meet Jephthah on his way back. Feel free to keep chasing your shadow on this issue.

MuttleyLaff:
Is God also responsible for your sins too Madam JujuSugar?

Yes

MuttleyLaff:
The feeling is mutual.

Cool

MuttleyLaff:
[s]I am sorry, it is too strong for you to stomach the truth.
Weren't you warned to put forward just one verse? You want to hide the truth under an avalanche of verses, right?[/s]

Cry me a river. I gave you those verses to debunk your claim that Jephthah wasn't thinking of a human being when he made the vow. Now, you want to dance around the fact. Do keep dancing.

MuttleyLaff:
he wasn't even thinking of a human being.

I've addressed this statement already

MuttleyLaff:
The clue is in the kind or type of pronoun Jephthah used in Joshua Judges 11:31

The pronoun isn't really the issue. One thing to understand concerning Jephthah's vow is that he did not expect some type of animal or household pet to burst forth from the house upon his return. This makes sense for a couple of reasons. First, in 11:31, the verb "to meet", in the bible, is always used for people, never for a person encountering an animal. Second, in the ancient world, when men returned from battle, women would customarily come forth in procession in order to participate in celebratory dancing. Given the cultural context in which these events transpired, Jephthah likely assumed that a woman would come out from the house to meet him, perhaps a servant girl or, even better, his mother-in-law, but certainly not an animal.

MuttleyLaff:
If you really and truly read the four pages objectively, you would have noticed that I am not being opinionated but I am having an unbiased conversation dealing with truth and facts I can back the truth up with

Your "truth and facts" have been weak thus far. If not, I wouldn't even be having this conversation.

They arrive at the club and the doorman says, "Hey, Dave! How ya doin'?"

His wife is puzzled and asks if hes been to this club before.

"Oh no," says Dave. "Hes on my bowling team."

When they are seated, a waitress asks Dave if hed like his usual and brings over a Budweiser.

His wife is becoming increasingly uncomfortable and says,"How did she know that you drink Budweiser?"

"Shes in the Ladies Bowling League, honey. We share lanes with them."

A stripper then comes over to their table, throws her arms around Dave, and says "Hi Davey. Want your usual table dance, big boy?"

Daves wife, now furious, grabs her purse and storms out of the club.

Dave follows and spots her getting into a cab. Before she can slam the door, he jumps in beside her.

He tries desperately to explain how the stripper must have mistaken him for someone else, but his wife is having none of it.

She is screaming at him at the top of her lungs, calling him every name in the book.

The cabby turns his head and says, "Looks like you picked up a real bitch tonight, Dave.

MuttleyLaff:
please tell where and when God authorised anyone in particular about Boko Haram?

If God is not responsible for Boko haram, then he is neither omniscient nor omnipotent

MuttleyLaff:
Of course, God knows and knows everything,

Good. I'm glad we agree on this.

MuttleyLaff:
but Jephthah wasn't even talking about human being as what he is willing to barbecue.

Wrong.
Judges 11: 30-35:
30 And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the Lord, and said, If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands, 31 Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the Lord's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering........ 34 And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter. 35 And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he rent his clothes, and said, Alas, my daughter! thou hast brought me very low, and thou art one of them that trouble me: for I have opened my mouth unto the Lord, and I cannot go back.
Don't try to twist it. You know damn well what Jephthah meant in this passage.

MuttleyLaff:
I am categorically telling you, an issue of Jephthah having or planned to sacrificing his daughter as a barbecue is a non-story. None of this rubbish is found in the Jephthah narrative. This is why I asked you to provide a single verse that you are hinging this assumption on, mind you, a single verse and not more than a single verse.

If you're trying to suggest that God's hands were tied with regards this issue, i'd like to know why.

MuttleyLaff:
You guys are so fond of being argumentative just for argument sake, eh.

I've gone through the four pages of this thread and this description best fits you, Mr. Muttleylaff

Earthbound:
Best believe it and if you're in my bed best believe the same applies to you. You sef no go like wear anything when you see me finish

Ehn. I've heard you.

#Failbuhari

MuttleyLaff:
What has his comparison in common with God asking Abraham to sacrifice Isaac?

According to you christians, God always has a plan. And every event is part of this plan, so automatically, he's responsible for Boko Haram. And then you claimed that a deed isn't bad if God authorizes you to do it. So now how do you justify the deeds of the Boko Haram?

MuttleyLaff:
How do you mean doesnt justfify anything and saying thanks for quoting you, to say nothing?. I am telling you that the Jephthah story is not an example God intervening to any child getting being barbecued sacrificed and you are giving off attitude

Did God know that Jepthah's daughter will be the first person Jephthah would meet at home? Yes or No.

MuttleyLaff:
Your assumption that Jephthah was thinking about his daughter, as the first person Jephthah would see when returning back from fighting the enemies? Jephthah wasnt even thinking about any human being when he promised a barbeque

I'm not assuming that Jephthah was thinking of his daughter. In fact i don't know where you pulled that from. What I'm saying (and its not an assumption by the way), is that God could have easily spared Jephthah the pain of killing his own daughter since he's omniscient and clearly knew before hand that Jephthah would end up killing her.

LarryHooper:
# being naked on the bed and cool breeze blowing on you

People do this?
Edit: Sorry, I thought you meant completely unclad. Anyway, my favourite is...
#cleaning your itchy ear

MuttleyLaff:
Bring out one single verse and not more than one verse, you are basing this assumption on, and let's both give it a critical look over together

Which one is assumption? Is God not supposed to be omniscient?

MuttleyLaff:
Keep on jumping from pillar to post with invalid comparisons

Its not an invalid comparison, bro. There's a little something called "God's plan"

MuttleyLaff:
I am sorry to be the one bursting this bubble of ill-information, a victim of bad and/or false teaching, for you, that the child sacrificed as perpetual dedication to God's work, similar way Samuel the priest was, and that she wasn't given up as a barbecue or burning sacrifice

Doesn't justify anything. Thanks for quoting me to say nothing.

CodeTemplar:
The man vowed and fulfilled his vow? How is that God's fault?

Are you trying to say God did not know that Jephthah's daughter was the first person Jephthah would see?

LordReed:
If the god HATES child sacrifice?

Deuteronomy 12:30-31 New International Version (NIV)
30 and after they have been destroyed before you, be careful not to be ensnared by inquiring about their gods, saying, “How do these nations serve their gods? We will do the same.” 31 You must not worship the Lord your God in their way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the Lord hates. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods.

So it decides that the best way to test its loyal servant is to ask him to do something the god hates to see if its loyal servant will obey a thing the god hates? And then rewards the servant for attempting to do the thing the god hates? How does this make sense?

I prefer Jephthah's story to Abraham's as an example because God doesn't intervene and the child is sacrificed.

EMELIE
Edit: It came out in 2015 but its a really creepy disturbing film, although not in the way you'd imagine. Its about a psychotic babysitter...

Early reactions to Captain Marvel are here
https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/first-reactions-captain-marvel-call-beautiful-stunning/
Its a Marvel movie so I couldn't be less surprised, but i just hope it actually ends up top 5 in the MCU.

You caught her unclad.... with your dog
Wow

And this is why men fornicate.