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Mkenya2019:
You cannot dispute facts. They are stubborn things.
https://www.imf.org/external/np/fin/tad/extarr2.aspx?memberKey1=540&date1key=2017-06-30

Let examine the last 10yrs - before COVID

Kenya - has taken ZERO ZERO shs from IMF - has been given standby that they never withdrew or cash a dollar -

Standby Credit Facility Mar 14, 2016 Mar 13, 2018 354,629 0 0
Standby Arrangement Mar 14, 2016 Mar 13, 2018 709,259 0 0
Standby Arrangement Feb 02, 2015 Mar 14, 2016 352,820 0 0
Standby Credit Facility Feb 02, 2015 Mar 14, 2016 135,700 0 0

Let examine Ghana

You've been on bailout every few years

Facility Date of
Arrangement Expiration
Date 4/ Amount
Agreed Amount
Drawn Amount
Outstanding
Extended Credit Facility Apr 03, 2015 Apr 02, 2019 664,200 531,360 531,360
Extended Credit Facility Jul 15, 2009 Jul 23, 2012 387,450 387,450 257,641
Extended Credit Facility May 09, 2003 Oct 31, 2006 184,500 184,500 0
Extended Credit Facility May 03, 1999 Nov 30, 2002 228,800 176,218 0
Extended Credit Facility Jun 30, 1995 May 02, 1999 164,400 137,000 0
Extended Credit Facility Nov 09, 1988 Mar 05, 1992 388,550 388,550 0

is the why Kenya has taken 2 bailout in the space of one year?

Why have you taken more money from the fund than Ghana has asked ever taken?

Mkenya2019:
Since 1990s - you've been on extended facility aka bailout.
Kenya has had few of those...generally on standby facilities.
That big difference - Kenya has made ammends on prudent management of public finance - only needing IMF during global crisis like Covid.
Ghana every three years is asking IMF for a bailout.

so now you're disputing the facts?

Ghana has had 7 extended facilities as you will like to deflect to

Kenya has had 12 since 1989 and your first was 1975..

You receive 2.3 billion ECF last year ... Why are you taking another 3.6 billion EFF this year too?

I've never seen a country been this frequent there before.

Wasn't your 22 bailout enough? At this point you're getting worse than Liberia

Mkenya2019:
Not every IMF facility is a bailout. Standby facility is not. What you want to look out for is Extended Facilities. Kenya had those in 90s in stop-go reforms of Moi era. After that we have been generally fine...only taking standby facilities.

what an excuse ... You still manage to put yourself in a deeper corner since Kenya has more Extended facilities than Ghana.

Ghana has 7 while Kenya has 10 or 12 of those

Next excuse for why you've collected 6 billion from the IMF over the last 60 years

GeneralDae2:
I wonder what he was thinking talking about IMF when Kenya is number 2 most supported country ever in Africa by IMF. Second only to Liberia.
In addition, Kenya is also much more indebted to China as well than Ghana.

Every day, we have to pick a topic to educate them on

Mkenya2019:
Let try the future..sounds as ignominious as your slave trading past.

A team from the International Monetary Fund (IMF) is to review Ghana's request for a $3bn loan that heightened criticism against President Nana Akufo-Addo’s economic policies. Here's why the west African nation is seeking its 17th bailout since 1957.

Ghana’s return to the IMF within three years underscores its deeper economic problems

Ghana’s approaches to the IMF, which have averaged every four years over the past 65 years, tell a story of recurrent failure of government to properly build the economy to withstand internal and external shocks. Ghana’s lack of fiscal discipline, and its recent history of dependence on foreign financing – with as much as 48% of the total public debt being held by external investors – leaves the country vulnerable to swings in investor sentiment, and accompanying portfolio investment selloffs.

Ghana has been to the IMF 16 time and only take 2,549 million over the last 60 years.
Obviously Ghana does not go there for the money but the stability it creates in it market and politics.

Kenya has been there 22 times, do you care to post how much your country has taken?

Your country took 2.3 billion last year for budget support and will be taking 3.6 billion this year to pay china

Enugurangers:
After the annexation, Russian soldiers fled from Lyman which is in the DPR. The UA are also pushing ahead in Kherson as I type this post. Kreminna in Luhansk oblast is also under attack.

Did I hear you say Kherson, a well defended area that is well staffed?
Each time Ukraine tried to march on Kherson, they had to retreat with massive loses ... Their counter offensive there massively failed....

obaaderemi:
Someone is still butthurt about his past.

Someone is now busy interrogating his country history and is getting depressed by how much of a weakling they have been

texazzpete:
This is ignorance speaking. Zelensky just canceled the winter draft. Meaning they feel they’ve mobilized enough soldiers + reserves.

Ukraine didn’t make that request after Russia announced mobilization. They made it after Russia illegally tried to steal Ukrainian land for good



Run out? With Lend-Lease, it’s now the weapons deliveries will even increase sef. Dem neva even start to give Ukrainians modern tanks and aircraft. Wait until that happens then you’ll see

Some of you live in a fantasy world of your own making

you're ignorant of what is happening in Ukraine... Zelensky has already drafted everyone he could possibly lay hands on, his country population has decreased to 22 million and he has gone through 6 rounds of draft to the extent that he even had to draft women.

Zelensky made that request when Russia formally accepted the 4 regions and it was a panick move for him.

No one is going to give Ukraine western tank because they are all afraid that it will fall into Russia's hand and their best will get vaporized by Russia. Secondly, they are afraid that it will leave their own forces vulnerable since they don't have enough.
And the stockpile of old Soviet tanks and aircraft that NATO kept had all been supplied to Ukraine and been vaporized by Russia.

Did I hear you say fantasy world, it seem you're the only one living in that fantasy world oo.

Russia has always lunched offensive during winter and anyone will be a fool not to see another one coming, even Zelensky sees it and is panic as he doesn't even have enough artillery shells to compete and the US does not have anymore to supply unless he wait for those from the production line.

The 300,000 force that Russia mobilized will be trained for 3 weeks and they will be sent to military post duties within Russia in order to free up more combat ready forces to be sent to Ukraine. For the first time since the SMO begun, Russian allied force will have more than 100k manpower per rotation

obaaderemi:
It's alright.
Go and sleep.

the embarrassment is too much for you to watch er ?

obaaderemi:
Exactly. Rvp will lead them by the nose and when facts go against them, he abandons them.

Justnotyou:
Avoiding the question altogether huh, a smart decision accepting defeat.

Bringing in Harriet Tubman a wise decision.
Now why don't you take your own advice & go free your slaves in the middle east.

empty noise

obaaderemi:
This one is even worse than rvp. Now they've abandoned him.

This time round, rvp acted smart just like what he does to gallipig and shma

obaaderemi:
He can't. If he knows what is good for him, he'll run away like the other little Indians. But he seems a persistent little fellow.

obaaderemi:
They always do it when they lose.

yeah...
They act like sore losers

Justnotyou:
You say that like any of your captured Ghanaian slaves/uncle Ruckus even had a muscle to go against their massa lol...

They were all raped, massacred & disposed off like trash after their Spanish overlords had no use of them.

If you're so sure of yourself why don't you get to fulfilling my request first, give mentions of the endless people groups from Ghana that did what those Kamba's did.

the Kambas did nothing...
They took advantage of chaos and run away to Paraguay where they were still deprived of everything.

Learn what Harriet Tubman did and the movement she set up that freed lots of slaves... Use that as inspiration to go and free your slaves in Saudi Arabia

obaaderemi:
Lol @ the bolded.
The guy is not very brilliant. He seems to have entangled himself.

It's always good to set traps
Let's see how he wrangle himself out

obaaderemi:
Now you are angry because you've been exposed. When a little Indian loses a debate here they resort to insults and name-calling. It's your trademark.

Go back to primary school to learn basic English. The Swahili education has messed up your life.

you've noticed it too

obaaderemi:
He has presented himself today as a much needed comic relief.

I know right

It's fun

Justnotyou:
Copy pasting won't do you any good, they didn't arrive in Paraguay as slaves but as settlers & that's a fact.

Uruguay ≠ Paraguay lol conflating countries now pitiful.

Also you seem to be under the illusion it was so common place for other black ethnicities to just end up as settlers or even as free men, why don't you post any people groups from Ghana that did that... I'll wait.

What's even more funny is that the Kamba aren't even known for being fighters lol, they're not even one of the powerful ethnicities in Kenya lol...

See argument... You're arguing like a kindergarten kid.

Crazy kid, how will I that know your entire country history conflict two countries I've visited?

Did they also enter Uruguay as settlers too?
Anyway, how did they end up in Uruguay? Let's see if you'll be smart as well

They escape their Uruguayan masters during the Uruguayan chaos of a revolution..the smartest way to get out of Uruguay alive (out of those Spanish own farmlands), when the revolutionaries invaded it, was to join Jose's militants who eventually had to escape to Paraguay.


Since you want to know of Ghanaian history... Let me introduce you to Harriet Tubman, her record is too popular for me to have to educate you on it.

obaaderemi:
The bolded is pathetic. How could a grown ass man mix up such distinct grammatical forms?

And look how he came here all scholastic.
I knew sooner or later he would come out the fool like the other little Indians.

Let's just laugh at is write ups and attempt to change history

texazzpete:
NATO themselves don’t want Ukraine.

Ukraine made that request knowing well that it wasn’t going to be accepted. Just made as a statement that they have zero interest in ever aligning with Russia in the future.

Ukraine made that request knowing very well that an onslaught of their troops was coming this winter.

Especially now that NATO has run out of supply of weapons for Ukraine.

haaryobhami:
ukraine will take back all there territory and chase them Russia back to there filthy land,pootin fans can continue there delusion like there god is untouchable

which movie are you watching?

Have you not heard that NATO has run out of weapons to supply Ukraine?
Ukraine will be lucky to hold onto half of it territory by the end of this winter.

Justnotyou:
Kamba Cua and the Kamba Kokue of Paraguay.
Do you even know the history behind that group?

They comprised of a little more than 200 settlers not slaves, they accompanied General Jose Gervasio Artigas in the 19th century, the revolutionary leader of the now Uruguay, in his exile in Paraguay as his personal group of Spearmen/soldiers along with their wives.

They had land, wives, rights & established customs which wasn't possible for a mere slave in the 19th century.

They've lasted for so long in such a racist country due to their self respecting nature, though their land has been stolen by the government in a bid to have them mix with the white women to dilute their presence.

They weren't a bunch of meek slaves that were used as property by the white settlers lol...

Do your own research before embarrassing yourself lol.

I intentionally left that part out so that you can Google..
Now that you've google, let me add the other part.


They were slaves who arrived in Montevideo, Uruguay on a Spanish slave vessel in chains and sold as slaves... During the Uruguayan revolution, they because free men who entered Paraguay and Brazil.

They are 400 families with total number of 1200

Get working googling up your history and don't come back with the lie of they were slaves..

obaaderemi:
I see where you are mistaken. You are struggling with English language. Zanj as used in the term Zanj slaves is an adjective and not a possessive. Obaaderemi's as used in obaaderemi's towel signifies possession. You are even a bigger ignoramus than rvp, who actually owned up he has never heard about the term Zanj, and that he has always had a problem with English language since high school.
Zanj land stretches up to the coast of modern day Kenya. And many Zanj people were captured as slaves by the Arabs, some of them ended up as far as China and Iraq. I guess you also read about the Zanj here for the first time and had to make a hasty research like your brother who admitted his ignorance. But unlike him, ignorance is bliss to you.

The slavers were the Arabs , the Zanj were traded and of course some of them worked for the slavers to sell their own people, some of whom came from modern day Kenya. If you need more clarification on this, hit me up. I'll school you for free. Like just 40 said: you need to learn your own history.

Thank goodness you've realized they have problem with English language

The can't different between possessive noun from and adjective

Justnotyou:
OH really? & what exactly made you come to the conclusion that the Asante bought Kamba slaves? Do you have any articles to collaborate with your assertions?

There's record in old Asante ledger on consignments and there's record of the Kamba people in Paraguay.

rvp20182:
The madness level in Just40 is just disturbing.

Crazy kid

Learn your history oo


It's always fun when I tell you more about your country than you know of

Justnotyou:
The Maa stance on slavery had been documented by scholars long before naira land was even a thing so you're literal inventing your own version of history on the Maa by suggesting otherwise. "The Maasai people stood against slavery and never condoned traffic of human beings; and outsiders looking for people to enslave avoided the Maasai. Essentially there are twenty-two geographic sectors or sub tribes of the Maasai community, each one having its own customs, appearance, leadership and dialects."
https://www.google.com/search?q=the+maasai+stance+on+slavery&oq=the+maasai+stance+on+sl&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j33i160l4j33i22i29i30l3.11906j0j4&client=ms-android-huawei-rev1&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#:~:text=The%20Maasai%20people,leadership%20and%20dialects.

The Kamba, Kikuyu... arrived in Southern Kenya fairly recently & were surrounded by the Maa to the west & the coastal bantus to the east, their earliest ancestors left their genetic imprits in Kenya during the 3rd - 6th century CE, so most of their slave raids happen to have involved mostly Tanzanians, & the buyers were the Zanj who re-exported the slaves to the Indian Ocean market.

The only east Africans that were sold to the west (Brazil, Caribbean, USA) were from Mozambique & Madagascar by the Portuguese, lol the Asante had enough slaves & were the ones selling each other as slaves for meager things like rum, clothing, & the likes.

simply put, go and learn your history...

You don't seem to know it just like your fellow Kenyans.

The Asantes were major buyers of slaves and resellers of slave from all around Africa, slave workers were highly needed for farm work in Asanteland itself.
Your kamba slaves passed through Asante land to serve before being resold and ending up in the Americas

obaaderemi:
This one is even more stupid than the other little Indians.
How could the Zanj be the traders when they were the bantus being traded?


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Ocean_slave_trade

I don't know if I should dignify his write up with a reply

The kid is not even asking himself how the kamba people got to Paraguay or Brazil.

He's not even asking himself how maasai male slave were castrated before being sent to the Arabian world or how Kikuyu blood ended up in Arabia

Justnotyou:
You're just being obtuse & ignorant.

The reason it's called the east African slave trade is because the traders were east African swahili speakers like tippu tip https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tippu_Tip but the slaves comprised of mostly central Africans & southern Africans who were colonized by the swahili who established trade routes to their colonies.

Even today most Eastern Congolese people still speak swahili due to the effects of the trade & swahili colonization.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congo%E2%80%93Arab_War#:~:text=The%20Congo%E2%80%93Arab%20War%20(also,%2C%20Tippu%20Tip's%20son.

Continental Trade routes pic1
Continental slaving grounds Pic2

Nilo-saharan & afroasiatic regions were generally avoided due to it not being a viable trade.

Let me test your knowledge of your own history to see how ignorant you are.

Did the Kikuyu and maasai have long history of raiding each other lands and collecting slaves to be sold to the Arabs or not?
Weren't the maasai most dominant over the kikuyus weaklings for a very long time?

Did the kambas carry out raids of various communities around it to be sold as slaves?
Do you know how the Arabs sold kamba slaves to the Europeans who went on to sell them to the Asantes for gold, who used them as farm helps to clear forest and later on resold for guns?

Mkenya2019:
The last video I saw it was dustbowl without any infrastructure. No roads, sewage or even pipe water. That is normal in accra.

Nice try
The place is bigger than 500 square kilometers, it has 420,000 people living there according to the 2021 census.

40% of it roads are already done, that's 2,000km of roads...
The rest are at various stages of construction.
It has 3 4 lanes highways, all of which are at various stages of construction.

Water, fiber and electricity were the first things sent there even before the lands were sold..

All it drainages are already built


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPmOwzb_oMM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdPrhsQvorg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouNnwxzKJL4

Mkenya2019:
How is unplanned suburbs related to a planned mini city? This level of madness is unique to Ghana

Crazy kid

The entire place is planned and well demarcated far better than anything in your country....

Next excuse

PROVERBZ:
if this is what it's competing with that has made it stall then it is truly a failed project.

did you see the aerial view of that huge area and the level of development?
You can consult YouTube on East Legion hills view.

Despite that competition, Appolonia still managed to scoop up 34 or so companies and counting