₦airaland Forum

you guys need not fight yourselves.

Nigerians are the most self-destructive people on the surface of the planet. That makes it easy for negative things to affect us and get magnified.

MrCrackles:
Do we really need more parties in Nigeria?
Buhari had his chance. . . . . .I wish someone can just bomb him into extinction!

Not just him. All the bastards who have had a taste of power and brought Nigeria to its present state should be bombed into extinction!

agabaI23:
Justgood
welcome to nairaland. have you been here before? How did you find us?

I have been here for a few years. I was searching for something on google when I discovered nairaland

Nobody has ever welcomed me.

please can you all welcome me now? Thank you  

chaircover:
Yes it is a very wicked thing to deliberately bring a child into this world knowing fully well that the child will not have a father, the child will not look like you and I understand you eventually want to marry a black man . . . . so the child will look different to the other kids you have. The child has no identity even before he/she is born.

Now isn’t that wicked?

Maybe you should speak to those single mothers who are struggling & coping everyday and ask them it is an easy job.

Thank you jare.

The problem is that many single women never tell the truth about what they are going through. . . so they dont advise others not to fall into such pits. They like to pretend that things are sweet for them as single mothers. Eventually some daft girl will follow their paths as well.

ElRazur:
JustGood, it is not as simple like that.

Tamiflu appears to be prescription only in the Uk - I.e, you would need a note from the GP to get one. However due to the fear of swine flu, a lot of people have bought some over the net. There is no law saying you can buy some kind of drugs. However, trying to buy cocaine or heroine over the net is illegal.

Most of the emails you get are usually about Viagra and aphrodisiac. . . am guessing.

I already explained what concessions is. However, there are a few bad eggs amongst sales men - mind you not the company but the sales men doing the leg work [some are paid on commission basis]

You claim to not like scam, yet you appear to have given some sort of explanation as to why it may be acceptable as long as it is from a nigerian? ?

You have a strange meaning for accpetable

ElRazur:
It is not as simple as that.

Your statement suggest all emails asking you buy drugs are fake.

People sell drugs across the web because it is easier to reach a global audience. Some of these drugs are actually as good as they claim, but are not readily availabe in the UK -either due to needing prescription or not yet licensed etc.

There are laws in place to make sure contract and trades explanation are clear cut.

Concessions mean they get some sort of subsidized electricity and Gas due to their income etc.

Please go and look across the web and tell which one you find the most - Naija scam email or Western scam email.

Is it not criminal to expect me to buy drugs through a non-legalised route?

There are also laws in place to ensure that 419ers are caught.

Concessions dont mean they dont get to pay and they can be made to pay to thieving/fraudulent salesmen.

Nigerians are more likely to live in poverty than westerners so it is normal that their own style of scams will be more naive and not subtle enough. It will therefore seem to be more pronounced.

Just to be clear, I regard scammers as scum and I dont condone them but I like to get things straight.

ElRazur:
Have you ever queried where those evidence came from?

I already gave my reasons as to why I think it is all cooked up - by the guy or his supporters.

There are rigourous check here, however a few people do slip through the net no doubt.

No doubt that some people will slip through certain nets. Did the guy sit the exams to be allowed to practice?

We need to start making our leaders accountable. You dont expect the British government to start freezing the accounts of every rich Nigerian, do you?

Without proof of looting or embezzlement, it becomes difficult. Its up to us to make them accountable to us and then the rest of the world will help us.

ElRazur:
Well presido and justgood. . . it appears you guys would believe anything. . . .

I believed the guy worked with forged documents when I first heard about it.

After reading through that, I am inclined to believe he did not work with forged documents. He would have had to sit the normal tests in order to be allowed to practice in the UK

ElRazur:
No it is not my birth right to experience racism.

I am yet to experience. I know racism when I see one. . . Or are you saying you actually know me more than I do?

You know from how you think, it is easy to see how you could develop a "victim syndrome" and "a persecution complex". . . Nice logic. How did you do it?

Oh now you are making assumptions? How nice.

Here, get some education, get a good qualification, get some decent experience, be ambitious, plan your life. . . .  Just may be, just may be you would see beyond this bogey white man trying to be racist against you.

I work in a predominantly white place.

I just feel some of these posters in this thread have a complex of some kind. A few would have been denied Visa back in naija and as such the Brits automatically become racist etc. It is scary if in almost 2010 people have this sort of mentality.

Thanks for reminding me that I am uneducated. I'll try and get educated. . . oh I almost forgot: I dont really wanna be a professor. Perhaps one of my children will do that. I'll tell my first son what you said. . . he might take it on board and get educated.

I dont care that the white man may be racist towards me. I dont even care that you would rather be the cleaner of his trainers than try to be a human being who should have the rights to stand up the same way he stands up. So, I may not need any further education to see what you want me to see. Actually, I'd rather not see what you see. I'd rather see myself as a human being just like any other.

I have also never had the need to apply for a British visa in my life. Interestingly enough, I have even had to apply for Nigerian visas.

Go back and listen to your predominantly white colleagues. You are probably better off the way you are: never (experiencing) knowing racism otherwise, you may have lost your job?

Please enjoy yourself in the comfort of your mind telling you that there is no racism.

Bye

Moves:
It is quite posible for Elrazur not to have experienced racism, if u live & work in a predominately black area or migrant area the chances of you experiencing racism is slim, Also sometimes we tend to term people's action (whites) to be racially motivated when in actual fact it is just a dislike, based on the actual individual and with no bearing to their race, Case in point, have the manager at work, could bet my house that the guy is racist cos of his action and the manner in which he deals with non natives, until last week at our summer party , saw the dude's family, he is married to a ghanian lady with 3 lovely kids, So understandably it is easy to point at racism whereas there could be other underlying issues that give raise to people action towards us which may have no racial bearing,

You have a good point. However, being married to a black person does not preclude a white man/woman from being racist and vice versa.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article4641432.ece

na wa o

A former salesman, who did not want to be named, said he reported deception and mis-selling by salesmen to Luke Schultz, the Edinburgh sales office manager, but that only one, who had accumulated 27 complaints, was sacked. The salesman resigned from the company last week because he felt the management had misled him about price rises.

“I felt sick because I had been signing people up telling them, ‘we have had this honesty policy that we when we put our prices up it will be last and by the least amount’. We weren’t. Our company has been making me lie to all these people.”

Another Nigerian 419 man?

On three occasions she said: “I really only like dealing with my local man and don’t want to change . . . I want to think about it if you give me some literature.” He ignored her objections. Lyall later told The Sunday Times that she couldn’t read what she signed and cancelled the policy the next day.

The reporter took his findings to Finlay Mason, area sales manager, and Lindsay MacDonald, acting office manager, for Scottish Hydro. Both warned the reporter not to lie on the doorstep but did not appear to take any action.

ElRazur:
Why do you like to twist stories and present them to suit your view?

How are these drugs fake? I guess you bought from every one of them?

In the UK, door-to-door sales is not even allowed in some areas, or at least regulated. OAP are not duped into signing anything like you are trying to portray - they do not even part with their cash - besides, their are concession for some OAPs when it comes to electricity and Gas.

If these drugs are the right ones, why does the government always tell us not to buy drugs on the internet? OAPs dont part with their cash?. . . oh yes, they only have to sign documents which implicate them financially. Do concessions mean they get electricity and gas for free?

GEW:
justgood u know we expect much from you bros. 419 letters is bad gas or electricity seller or no sellers.

Referring to those others is not a justification for 419 and other rubbish perpetrated by Nigerians abroad. I posted that to show my experience and what I have read about.

ElRazur:
So you are telling me that as a black man, it is a birth right for me to experience racism? Is it hard for a few people here to understand that one can live their life here without some experiencing the same event like some? No?

It sure is your birthright.

The claim that you have NEVER experienced racism in Britain sends something straight to my mind - you are either not being truthful or you are the type who doesn't know when negative things happen to you.

Whichever way, it's a signal of being in denial. Except if you tell me you have never ventured outside of your Nigerian circle of friends and family for any reason.

We should not wait for UK to do things for us. UK has its own interests to protect and it is up to us to find ways of protecting our own interests too

why this software dey ban me anyhow

http://www.abpuk.4t.com/

A Victim of Home Office's Operation Swale or His Skin Colour?


To state that a number of U.K residents watched with either mixed reactions or disbelief how the face of a ‘’supposed Professional’’ was paraded with claims of forgery was an understatement as the photograph of Oluwaseyi Olorundamilola Farombi was displayed both on the crime watch TV programme (BBC One) and on it’s website on 02/06/2009. Quite a number of Professionals (Medical & Non Medical alike) felt there was either a huge disjoint in this narrative but convoluted (complicated) description at the very best, a major but nonetheless unacceptable error or what could be most unimaginable, a calculated manipulative attempt to rubbish a man’s life without any regards whatsoever for facts, evidence or substance. . Truth as constant as it may be needs no superhuman effort to extract. Keen interests both positive and negative got generated by the programme and prompted some genuine intellectual investigative efforts since it was too difficult to even imagine how a doctor without any qualifications could get as far as obtain full registration with the General Medical Council here in the United Kingdom.

A contact with the General Medical Council (GMC) fetched a prompt response disclaiming such claims that Oluwaseyi Farombi had no primary qualifications; A signed document from the Council indicated Dr. Farombi passed through all required procedures prior to being granted limited Registration on Dec. 24th 2004, this got upgraded to full Registration in October 2007. There was clear evidence from the GMC that Farombi passed both Professional exams (Plab 1 & 2) in November 2003 and August 2004 respectively, investigations with the General Medical Council (GMC) further revealed these exams were organized and conducted by the Council itself and it was only on satisfactory completion of these preliminary stages that a foreign doctor got issued their first Limited Registration, The GMC through its officer (Mrs. Helen Handy) confirmed Farombi passed through these stages and the required exams, prior to being granted his Registration, it was gathered through the GMC that Dr. Farombi provided evidence he obtained his medical degree from a University in Nigeria (named Obafemi Awolowo University, South West Nigeria).

The Nigerian High Commission was unusually prompt in referring further investigations to the Nigerian Universities Commission in Abuja, Nigeria (The Nation's capital city). The Commission made a further referral to the University in Ile-ife, Nigeria (formerly known as University of Ife, Nigeria) where the Institution’s Registrar confirmed with proof that Oluwaseyi Farombi graduated from its College of Medical Sciences in 1994, contact with the College of Medical Sciences of the same University revealed further that Dr. Farombi commenced its degree programme in 1986, completed same in 1994 when he got awarded its Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery degree (M.B.Ch.B), His student identification number through the Course of Study was given as 861496, it was also further revealed that he proceeded on completion of his course following the initial registration with the Nation’s Medical Council (Nigerian Medical and Dental Council) to the Nigerian Army Base Hospital in Lagos Nigeria for the mandatory internship (also known in medical parlance as Housemanship). Another check with the Medical Council of Nigeria not only confirmed Farombi as its member but also described him as being of good standing with the Council since obtaining full registration in 1996. Having gone round this first phase of procedures, the General medical Council and Obafemi Awolowo University were both consulted to verify if either of them had informed the Home office’s operation Swale (source of Information) of Farombi’s supposed “lack of medical status/qualification”. The General Medical Council through its investigating officer (Mrs. Hardy) clarified through a letter dated 11 June 2009 that the body did not inform any party whatsoever that Dr. Farombi lacked a medical qualification, she further reiterated the fact Dr Farombi had passed the required exams prior to being granted his first Registration in December 2004.

The University in Nigeria denied responding to any checks and actually indicated it was not contacted by any party seeking information regarding Farombi’s qualification and that as far as they were concerned there was no reason for stating Farombi was not an alumnus of its College of Medical Sciences as that would amount to gross inaccuracy. Contacts with the BBC (host of both the programme and web) revealed it was informed by the Home office to air the clip on its programme, although the Crime Watch programme presenters proved highly evasive, It was disclosed at the Home office through its spokesperson that its border agency unit’s Operation Swale, (described as a joint unit of the Home Office and the Police) was responsible for that investigative process and a PC Helen Reid was officer in case, attempts to engage members of this “Swale” team proved mostly abortive. Members of the team reached on phone denied any contacts with the BBC but PC Helen Reid reportedly claimed on a telephone conversation she ‘’had to put that across’’ as she did not feel convinced about Farombi’s qualification, Asked whether she put such information on TV following prior checks with the concerned regulatory bodies, Reid claimed it was not her duty to check on people’s qualifications, a further query as to why she made such claims without proof or evidence resulted in Reid referring any further questions to her ‘’boss”. When confronted with updated evidence the GMC had written to her on 11 June 2009 through Mrs. Hardy indicating she was not advised at any time Farombi had no initial/primary qualifications or had forged documents and that he had completed the required procedure prior to his practice of Medicine in the U.K., Reid resorted to what later became known as her malicious, manipulative and abusive tendencies (most unexpected of a Police constable on Her Majesty’s Service).

It got discovered during these tedious but thorough investigations that members of the operation Swale (the team Helen Reid belongs to) had murdered among others a 36 year old black man by name Frank Odame on a raid in his home in Lambourne court, Woodford Green Essex on 9 September 2008 and had kept this sealed underneath as every effort to make enquires or investigate this murder was trampled down by the Home office (Sponsors of the Swale team) since it took place.
A second stage of investigative efforts at the Home office on 18 June 2009 revealed that Dr Farombi obtained his indefinite leave to Remain in the U.K since March 1995 with Home office Reference as F234156, How and why Farombi could then be claimed as “working in the U.K as a mental health doctor with forged documents” becomes most disturbing since checks confirmed his name, age, date of birth and other identifiable data were constant all through the course of education and working both in Nigeria and the U.K. Farombi we authoritatively confirmed schooled, obtained his current immigration status in the U.K, got registered and worked in the U.K as a doctor under the same details as all checks revealed, why then should he be put through such a damning experience? There are obviously more questions than any available answers. Is this another story of the new face of “Harass-Hunt-Dehumanize” approach to investigate procedures by U.K authorities? Has it become acceptable to set out series of lies, outright falsehood and brazen inconsistencies to manipulate the public or blackmail members of the public even to the stage of murder? Does working for the Home office or any of its units confer rights to illegalities on these individuals?

Need it mentioned also that checks with the Croydon Crown Court, Surrey revealed Dr. Farombi was alleged by this same Operation Swale (moderated by PC Helen Reid) to have resided and worked illegally in the United Kingdom, This allegation was brought before the court on 18 March 2008 and after a month of investigations, the court at its hearing presided by Judge Waller on 18 April 2008 threw out the case as evidence showed Farombi not only lived and worked legally in the U.K. but had been wrongfully brought before the court. Reports revealed that members of the Operation Swale team were highly embarrassed at the judgment of Waller who expressed shock at the malicious and damaging claims by this team in spite of overwhelming evidence at the Home Office indicating otherwise that Dr. Farombi lived and worked legally in the country, It was understood that since then there had been a barrage of harassments both physical and psychological on the person, family and home of the Nigerian-born doctor. With his qualifications and immigration status checked and positively verified, fears abound why Farombi has been a target of this “highly questionable” squad.

Although our efforts to reach Farombi are yet to yield results, it was confirmed that matters of Human Rights Abuse perpetrated by Operation Swale against the medical doctor are currently before the European Courts of Human Rights (ECHR) in Strasbourg France.

With the Home office’s Operation Swale's manipulative officer PC Helen Reid obviously abusing the position of her employer, negatively influencing TV programmes and carrying out acts amounting to gross manipulations, blackmail and attempts at destruction of this medical practitioner’s life, family and career without any regards whatsoever for Professionalism, facts or evidence, it gradually begins to sink in what kind of monsters are being bred by this Home office’s destructive gang. Will the BBC retrace its steps or allow the continued use of its programme(s) as a tool of human abuse against persons especially of ethnic minority origins in the modern day U.K?, Will the Police check this barbaric and tyrannical use of office by these unscrupulous officers?. Will the Home office continue to look away from these ''official'' criminals who blackmail, manipulate, harass, brandish lies and even kill innocent residents in the name of immigration work?,


To be continued,


Excerpts from the Association of United Kingdom Professionals of Ethnic Minority Origin's Mid year Journal (JUNE 2009)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/glasgow_and_west/8140201.stm

Police in France have arrested a man who allegedly tried to abduct a 12-year-old Scottish girl he met through a social networking website.

The 41-year-old Belgian national was detained at Marseilles Airport where he is said to have tried to board a flight with the girl.

French police said the schoolgirl was from Glasgow and was on holiday with her family in Provence.

She had met the man after contact through a website called Gaia.

Detectives said she had believed him to be in his 20s and had secretly arranged to meet him.

According to the authorities they travelled to Marseilles Airport where the man abandoned the girl when he realised she did not have a passport.

He was arrested on board a flight to Madrid just minutes before it was due to take off.

The man has been charged with child abduction and remains in custody.

He is said to be a wealthy Belgian, who lives in Madrid.

The girl and her family have since returned to the UK.

90% of the scam emails I get are from Europe and America. Its Americans always wanting to sell caked powder as Viagra and all the other rubbish. . .

I do get my fair share of yahoo yahoo mails but they are nowhere near the ones trying to sell me fake drugs etc. The salesmen who scam OAPs by deceiving them to sign contracts with Gas and electricity compaines are not Nigerians.

It wont happen

I think that Nick Griffin is likely to get even more votes at the general election. He may not win anything more but he's likely to win more votes as more and more Brits start to feel more comfortable in expressing their dislike of foreign looking people.

Most people know that Nick Griffin is scum but he connects with what many British people seem to desire - get rid of black and non- European faces.

Go and talk to any politician and they'll tell you that the people of Britain dont like to see coloured faces on the streets of Britain. The politicians are the ones who speak to these people at their front doors and they hear what they have to say. Even if my friends try not to act racist towards me, I know deep within me that there are some of them who complain about black people when there's no black man around.

Why do you think that every election campaign is hotly debated along immigration lines?

To be honest, any black man who has lived in the UK for any length of time and says he's never experienced racism has to either be lying or constantly having to lick white a*ses. . . even licking their backsides does not mean you wont face the occasional racist acts.

That really beggars belief.

ok, so Nigeria is a tribalistic nation. . . dont we all say it openly?
Britain is also a racist nation whether we admit it or not. It can also be declared openly. The fact that Nigeria is tribalistic does not eradicate the inherent racism of Great Britain.

Igwe, the seeker and martho, b4 you guys crucify me I AM NOT AGAINST BLACK KIDS AND WOULD STILL HAVE SOME BLACK KIDS.
I NEVER SAID I DO NOT WANT BLACK KIDS NEITHER DID I SAY I WOULD DECEIVE PEOPLE IT IS MY HUSBAND. This is just my desire to have at least one. I AM NOT OBSESSIVE ABOUT MIXED KIDS

A woman who is planning to have children for more than one man wants me to believe she is a normal and rational woman!

Igwe, the seeker and martho, b4 you guys crucify me I AM NOT AGAINST BLACK KIDS AND WOULD STILL HAVE SOME BLACK KIDS.
I NEVER SAID I DO NOT WANT BLACK KIDS NEITHER DID I SAY I WOULD DECEIVE PEOPLE IT IS MY HUSBAND. This is just my desire to have at least one. I AM NOT OBSESSIVE ABOUT MIXED KIDS

You are already making plans to have kids for different men and you say you are a normal rational woman. If this is what normal, rational women are like, there is no proper woman in the world again.