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PoliticsRe: Uk 'cocaine Capital Of Europe' by JustGood(m): 1:56pm On Jun 25, 2009
JJYOU:
i dont know where u get your info but i will say you can blame the Uk govt for everything but you will be out of order to say they dont try prevent kids and teenagers getting involved with drugs.

electronic media awareness alone is more than £20m annually.  that is not taking into consideration the free bbc channels plus radios.

drug awareness and education eats into every council, NHS and educational authorities budget so you cant say they dont do their best. go to any library and see the amount of print work on drugs and come back here tell me u are wrong.

even if they were not doing anything it is no excuse for people to continue to push drugs  no doubt thiis is a permisive society.  it is not the kids that have  problems but the adults who are supposed to make the rules and control but are tooo drugged or drunk ti set them.  the kidas are more victims of their situation tahn anything else.
Hope you're not getting me wrong. I have no excuse for people who chose to sell drugs thereby destroying the lives of other people. However, I know that all the nonsense information awareness programmes are a waste of money because those things have little or no effect. These things can only be curbed by society, which starts from the home. However, what is it that happens in the homes? The government control parents, tells them what to give to their kids etc. These are things we have discussed with education committees and made representations to former education secretary about.

The government knows these things but cannot change them easily because of the campaigns that the politically correct organisations tend to mount on the media.

JJYOU:
no doubt thiis is a permisive society.  it is not the kids that have  problems but the adults who are supposed to make the rules and control but are tooo drugged or drunk ti set them.  the kidas are more victims of their situation tahn anything else.

what you  see is the result of the free sex, drug and rock and roll of the 60's - 80@s. you can see nigeria travelling that roue these past years.  no one is asking questions but when the casualties start mounting i wonder what will happen.   just watch the abati and co thread.
i have lived long enough in europe to remember the pushing of boundaries by the channel 4 of this word and the newspapers of the land. i remember one mary whitehouse - a British campaigner for what she perceived to be values of morality and decency   saying something like the society will pay a high price.  i remember too one maggie thatcher saying there was nothing like society.  society is picking up the pieces and bill in billios.
This is exactly what is wrong!

No values again. Britain's real values have been lost on the altar of permissiveness as a result of excessive freedom and liberty.
Foreign AffairsRe: US Angry That China Does Not Want To Allow Unrestrained Access To The Internet by JustGood(op): 1:48pm On Jun 25, 2009
Ok. fine. . . I'm glad we are agreed that both the UK and China are in this business. If you want to talk about democracy and rights, that's another point.

The same thing that China does, the UK does. The government in this country controls everything we do in a very structured and systematic way so the Chinese government is also trying to find ways to structure what the citizens do and hear. It is their prerogative to determine what is good for thei country.
PoliticsRe: Uk 'cocaine Capital Of Europe' by JustGood(m): 1:42pm On Jun 25, 2009
ElRazur:
Iran. Taiwan. and some of these far eastern country carries harsh penalty on drug use - Death, hanging, firing squad, life imprisonment etc. Yet people are still actively using drugs in these place.

The point is, no nation can completely stop the use of drug on any age level within his/her population.

Drugs smuggling is a global business and the people behind it are finding "new and innovative ways" to get drugs to the people who need them. To point and blame society and social norms is a bit short-sighted. Drug use and control is a complex and very broad area.

What would you call "Stricter values"? Please point at what you think are lax society norms that actively encourage kids to do drugs.
I hope you're not taking this along this path. . .

No kid needs active encouragement to act childishly. Its in them because of their inexperience and their willingness to try and learn new things.

You think that to blame societal norms for increases in drug use is not right but you think it is right to blame those who chose to supply the people who chose drug taking. Interesting.

Stricter values would mean less independence for kids and less inculcation of the sense of being untouchable.
FamilyRe: Where And How To Meet Guys Ready 4 Marriage by JustGood(m): 1:14pm On Jun 25, 2009
theolar:
Real Truth u really give a new meanin to bin proactive.good 4 u
abeg make you talk better to the guy.

make una stop this sidekrokro style
Foreign AffairsRe: US Angry That China Does Not Want To Allow Unrestrained Access To The Internet by JustGood(op): 1:12pm On Jun 25, 2009
JJYOU:
na who upset my brother today? you just dey fight every where.
I never vex bro. cheesy

I just dont like Nigerian becoming apologists for anyone. grin
PoliticsRe: Uk 'cocaine Capital Of Europe' by JustGood(m): 1:11pm On Jun 25, 2009
ElRazur:
The funny thing is I feel the same way. Three threads or so now, you appear to be on a collusion course with me - Something I am not keen on.

The problem here is that without your definition of what is proper and what is meaningful, I honestly have a feeling that you would dismiss what ever one points at you. Hence, why I asked for clarification of what is good enough for you.

Here are a few pointers -

Drug is illegal and as such control substances. That only would deter most of the population.

Addicts have detoxifying programmes and society integration initiatives.

Several initiates directed at kids in areas where they may be prone to drug-abuse and users/dealers etc.

Here is a link to give you an idea of what it is been done
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/drugs/drugs-misuse/

There is more info on there to read.

To claim that the government is not doing anything worthwhile to stop kids from going into drugs is just not true in my view.
Thanks for that.

If you look at every programme that the government has embarked upon, none of them deters youngsters from drug taking. I dont really want to go into too much details but I have had the privilege of dealing with some of those youngsters and I can tell you that what works is not treatment but prevention. The government cannot do much to prevent young people from getting involved in drugs because of the laxity of societal norms. My opinion is that children are too independent - children should not be so excessively independent or given that sense of huge independence. Youngsters always want to experiment and you only need to experiment on many of these drugs and you're hooked.

Stricter values will do better than what we have at the moment - I know that there are some forces working behind the scenes to return this country to a country of better values but it will take w while to get there because we have gone so far down.

You will note that your points are all about treatments and the afters except for the legal one. I dont know any country where it is also not illegal to traffic in drugs; so what exactly is the British beef with other nations?
Foreign AffairsRe: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by JustGood(m): 1:03pm On Jun 25, 2009
ElRazur:
Hence why the observational statement was a question. Nice try you.
Noted. cool
Foreign AffairsRe: US Angry That China Does Not Want To Allow Unrestrained Access To The Internet by JustGood(op): 1:03pm On Jun 25, 2009
ElRazur:
Say what? You asked a question you got an answer. Can we stick to the points at hand instead of bringing in another "Biina style" of questioning "authority".

Where have I determine what is good for other nations specifically? Gosh.
Perhaps you did not get my drift. The questions were meant to make you think about your statement. You have concluded that is is alright for the UK to do the same thing that you seem to want to condemn China for. So you need to ask yourself who determines the right way to do anything in this world? Why cant the Chinese government decide how it wants to rule its Nation? Why must the Chinese government do things exactly the same way that the UK and US governments are doing things?

Does it not also amount to encroachment to try and tell the Chinese government the way to govern its country?
PoliticsRe: Abuja is one of the World's Most Expensive Cities 2009 by JustGood(m): 12:58pm On Jun 25, 2009
Na food and drink make Abuja reach that list. Na wa o
CultureRe: Rastafarianism by JustGood(m): 12:49pm On Jun 25, 2009
abeg make una go find igbo smoke make una comot for road.
Foreign AffairsRe: US Angry That China Does Not Want To Allow Unrestrained Access To The Internet by JustGood(op): 12:44pm On Jun 25, 2009
ElRazur:
It represses, gags and encrouch on freedom. Fundamental human freedom. The Uk have proper courts and laws where things can be challenged. When it comes to controlling citizens, comparing china with Uk is not a fair comparison. No?
And you and I are the appointed universal custodians of all knowledge who are able to determine good and bad? We also have the right to determine what is good for other nations?
PoliticsRe: Uk 'cocaine Capital Of Europe' by JustGood(m): 12:42pm On Jun 25, 2009
@ElRazur,

I may be wrong but I sense you spoiling for a showdown with me. Apologies if I am wrong.

Back to your question -

tell me what meaningful thing the government does to ensure that every child is discouraged from getting into excesses? Every child allowed to grow up in excessive laxity is prone to developing habits that are unwanted. Its exactly what we see in the UK. Its not about TV campaigns after the kids have already developed the habits.
PoliticsRe: Uk 'cocaine Capital Of Europe' by JustGood(m): 11:36am On Jun 25, 2009
@JJYOU, everyone knows that drug taking is a huge problem. However, to concentrate so much efforts on attcking suppliers rather than cultivate good cultures which prevents people getting into the habit is nothing but despicable on the part of Brits.

What proper attempts do you know that the British have done to try and prevent kids and teenagers egtting involved with drugs?
Foreign AffairsRe: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by JustGood(m): 11:17am On Jun 25, 2009
ElRazur:
More internal divide and power struggle?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8118139.stm
So, 105 MPs (perhaps oppostion MPs) did not attend. Does that necessarily point to election malpractices? They are 105 out of 290. I'm trying to figure out what proportion that is . . .
Foreign AffairsRe: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by JustGood(m): 11:15am On Jun 25, 2009
I believe that Tehran is where most of the educated people live in Iran hence the protests and I have a feeling that many people in Tehran would have voted for the opposition as they mainly have western education.

No one has been able to prove thus far that there was actual manipulation with intent to rig on the part of the ruling party.

I dont care about Iran - there are enough problems in my own country- but I dont like the attitude of blindly following anything American/British/ Western.
Foreign AffairsRe: US Angry That China Does Not Want To Allow Unrestrained Access To The Internet by JustGood(op): 11:10am On Jun 25, 2009
ElRazur:
This is not about porn, this is about China wanting to control everything its citizens are doing.
Tell me exactly what is wrong with that?

The UK does exactly the same.
PoliticsRe: Uk 'cocaine Capital Of Europe' by JustGood(m): 11:09am On Jun 25, 2009
They always want to focus on others rather than deal decisively with their own problems. If their own people dont want to use the drugs, the couriers wont be in business?
PoliticsRe: Abacha’s Son Set To Join Pdp : May Contest 2011 Guber by JustGood(m): 11:07am On Jun 25, 2009
No need to get into personal insults while idiots are destroying all of OUR collective lives.

Should we not be galvanising ourselves to stop the rot and the dastardly comedy that Nigeria has become?
Foreign AffairsRe: US Angry That China Does Not Want To Allow Unrestrained Access To The Internet by JustGood(op): 10:58am On Jun 25, 2009
JustGood:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8118055.stm

US objects to China's net filter

The US has called on China to scrap its plan to put net-filtering software on all its computers.

It said that China's proposals would violate its free trade obligations, weaken computer security and raise serious censorship concerns.

China has demanded that all computers come supplied with software called Green Dam from 1 July, which it says would filter out pornographic content.
The proposals have been criticised even within China.

The US's objections also came a day after it filed an unfair trade complaint to the World Trade Organization (WTO) over raw material exports.

The latest comment raises the concern about a broader trade war between the US and China over everything from computer security to chicken poultry imports.

'Unjustified'

"Mandating technically flawed Green Dam software and denying manufacturers and consumers freedom to select filtering software is an unnecessary and unjustified means to achieve that objective, and poses a serious barrier to trade," said US Trade Representative Ron Kirk.

The US is now complaining that putting such pressure on manufacturers to pre-install or supply the software would violate China's WTO free trade obligations.

"China is putting companies in an untenable position by requiring them, with virtually no public notice, to pre-install software that appears to have broad-based censorship implications and network security issues," said US Commerce Secretary Gary Locke.

The Green Dam Youth Escort software was created to stop people looking at "offensive" content such as pornographic or violent websites, China has said.

But China's Ministry of Industry and Information Technology later said that use of the software was not compulsory and that it was possible to uninstall the program.

Tests carried out on Green Dam outside China also showed that it left PCs open to many different security risks, including being hijacked.

Petitions calling for Green Dam to be scrapped have circulated widely within China, which has the world's largest net-using population.

Meanwhile, it appeared that China had blocked users of Google in China from using the search engine.

Users in Beijing and Shanghai said they could not access Google's main site, its Chinese-language version nor its mail services.

"We have found that Google has spread a lot of pornographic content, which is a serious violation of Chinese laws and regulations," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang said.

He urged the company to abide by local rules, but said he had no specific details on the outage.

The disruption comes a week after China accused Google of deliberately linking to "pornographic and vulgar" content and ordered it to stop.

Google said it was looking to why there was an outage.
Foreign AffairsUS Angry That China Does Not Want To Allow Unrestrained Access To The Internet by JustGood(op): 10:55am On Jun 25, 2009
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8118055.stm

US objects to China's net filter

The US has called on China to scrap its plan to put net-filtering software on all its computers.

It said that China's proposals would violate its free trade obligations, weaken computer security and raise serious censorship concerns.

China has demanded that all computers come supplied with software called Green Dam from 1 July, which it says would filter out pornographic content.

The proposals have been criticised even within China.

The US's objections also came a day after it filed an unfair trade complaint to the World Trade Organization (WTO) over raw material exports.

The latest comment raises the concern about a broader trade war between the US and China over everything from computer security to chicken poultry imports.

'Unjustified'

"Mandating technically flawed Green Dam software and denying manufacturers and consumers freedom to select filtering software is an unnecessary and unjustified means to achieve that objective, and poses a serious barrier to trade," said US Trade Representative Ron Kirk.

The US is now complaining that putting such pressure on manufacturers to pre-install or supply the software would violate China's WTO free trade obligations.

"China is putting companies in an untenable position by requiring them, with virtually no public notice, to pre-install software that appears to have broad-based censorship implications and network security issues," said US Commerce Secretary Gary Locke.

The Green Dam Youth Escort software was created to stop people looking at "offensive" content such as pornographic or violent websites, China has said.

But China's Ministry of Industry and Information Technology later said that use of the software was not compulsory and that it was possible to uninstall the program.

Tests carried out on Green Dam outside China also showed that it left PCs open to many different security risks, including being hijacked.

Petitions calling for Green Dam to be scrapped have circulated widely within China, which has the world's largest net-using population.

Meanwhile, it appeared that China had blocked users of Google in China from using the search engine.

Users in Beijing and Shanghai said they could not access Google's main site, its Chinese-language version nor its mail services.

"We have found that Google has spread a lot of pornographic content, which is a serious violation of Chinese laws and regulations," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang said.

He urged the company to abide by local rules, but said he had no specific details on the outage.

The disruption comes a week after China accused Google of deliberately linking to "pornographic and vulgar" content and ordered it to stop.

Google said it was looking to why there was an outage.
EducationRe: Why Is The English Language Skill Of Nigerian Graduate So Appalling? by JustGood(m): 1:00pm On Jun 24, 2009
Nigerians are no worse than the English themselves in that department.
PoliticsRe: Ex- Military Men Have Leadership Qualities Than Civilians. by JustGood(m): 11:03am On Jun 24, 2009
Ex-military men SHOULD have more leadership skills than civilians
FamilyRe: Ladies: Can You Be A Housewife? by JustGood(m): 10:55am On Jun 24, 2009
JJYOU:
you know i will gladly give you my granny for marriage for this.
Just remember that she has to be a housewife grin
Foreign AffairsRe: France Moves To Impose Ban On Burqa by JustGood(m): 10:52am On Jun 24, 2009
Kx:
If a muslim in Iran,Saudi Arabia or any of the muslim state is home,she
dresses the muslim way so freely.[/b]If d same person emigrates to the west,still,[b]she dresses the muslim way so freely
.

However if a non-muslim from the west is going to a muslim state,
she cannot dress her normal way,she cannot dress freely,i mean,minis,trousers etc because she is not
permited to dress so,simply put its anti host country-muslim- culture.

Na muslims get dis world sef?

Lets all make laws to suit our national interest and culture.

When u are in rome,behave like a roman.
Give unto caesar what belongs to caesar
I agree with you as long as no nation then goes round to try and compel others to follow their own ways.
FamilyRe: Where And How To Meet Guys Ready 4 Marriage by JustGood(m): 9:28am On Jun 24, 2009
You know why all the other guys drifted away. Perhaps you should work on yourself so that future guys wont drift apart from you.
FamilyRe: Ladies: Can You Be A Housewife? by JustGood(m): 9:24am On Jun 24, 2009
So much for the inexperience displayed on here.

Please come back tell us THE TRUTH about it when you get married.
FamilyRe: Robbers Attack And Your Spouse Flees: by JustGood(m): 9:16am On Jun 24, 2009
The man no want die. If dem kill una, e fit find another woman give belle

cheesy
FamilyRe: Legalized Rape In Nigeria by JustGood(m): 9:15am On Jun 24, 2009
Take mainstream education to those animals in the North
CultureRe: Rastafarianism by JustGood(m): 9:12am On Jun 24, 2009
ladysex:
Greetings in the name of Jah, Haile Sellassie First.
Rastafari is a strongly syncretic Abrahamic religion that draws extensively from the Bible. Adherents look particularly to the New Testament Book of Revelation, as this is where they find the prophecies about the divinity of Haile Selassie. Rastas claim that they, and the rest of the black race, are descendants of the ancient twelve tribes of Israel, cast into captivity outside Africa as a result of the slave trade.
HEY.

Please please please. . . dont bring the Bible into your rastanonsense.
Foreign AffairsRe: France Moves To Impose Ban On Burqa by JustGood(m): 9:09am On Jun 24, 2009
If the French decide to make laws dictating what people are allowed to wear, then it is their prerogative and I suppose its a product of their democracy.

So why should anyone criticise some other nations for the laws they make?

As someone put it earlier, they are trying to ban women from covering up while they are celebrating nudity all over their country - its still their prerogative. However, I think every nation should also be allowed to make their laws without other nations telling them how to rule.

So if Iran makes a law tomorrow and decides to practice a one-party state, no one should be complaining about it. abi no be so?
CultureRe: Rastafarianism by JustGood(m): 3:14pm On Jun 23, 2009
The person whose photograph appears there looks like he needs to be admitted to Aromental hospital as a special emergency case.

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