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Henry240:
This is were the Rooivalk aka half-french helicopter is most effective...............



Posing for the cameras at an airshow.

Henry240:
I woke this morning, logged into Nairaland.com, only to find the tears, and anguish of pained South-Africas all over my mention. Nigeria sure does give you guys a terrible heartache.




I'm loving it!!!

Only one country is active militarily in 9 African countries, that's Big Brother Nigeria.

"Do you know, the level of political and military prowess that is needed to achieve that?", offcourse you don't , your soldiers ran away from the CAR after waving the white flag, they have also ran away from Sudan, as expected. I can feel the South-African pain, i don't envy you!

The tears of pained South-Africans is like fuel to my soul!!

Henry240:
Her post also claims that Nigerian army Cobra's do not have military grade armour. Well that's just not true.


Here are photos of completely battle scared Nigerian army Cobra's which are still deployed in combat operations.


As we can all see, these vehicles have taken massive beatings. They are completely riddled with bullets, yet they are still going strong. One has it's headlight completely busted out.

I doubt if it's stones that did that.

Odunayaw:
Nigeria COIN
122m MRLS sending glad tidings at night
NN SBS operator

iblawi:
UN peacekeeping mission is not a war. Rooivalk are used mainly as escort. Thugs looking For UN food is what you claim to be fighting with Rooivalk?

tdayof:
Ceiling
SU 27: 62,523 ft
SU30: 56,800 ft
Mitsibuishi F-2: 59,000 ft
Rafale:50,000 ft

Climb rate:
SU 27: 59,000 ft/min
SU 30: 45,275 ft/min
F-2: 48,000 FT/min
rafale:60,000ft/min
Range
Su27: 3,530 km
su 30: 3,000km
f2: 4,000km
rafale: 3,700km


If you can justify rooivalk to be the best AH in terms of performance with the above, then the SU27 is the king among the above aircrafts.

lionel4power:
you guys should just forget everything you know about Attack helicopters, all those specs (hot 'n' high, service ceiling, range e.t.c) are just marketing strategy.

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in the real world those specs truelly dont mean jack. AHs are not fighter jets, they dont plan before going off on an op, they just patrol, search then 'attempt' to destroy.

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All AHs perform the same function. theres really no special skill in helicopters. personally the only skill that matters is SURVIVABILITY. Can I get hit by a manpad or a 25 mm and still RTB Alive?

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BTW THE US ARMY APACHE CAN CARRY ATLEAST 2 EXTRA CREWMEN OUTSIDE ITS CABIN AS STANDARD. THAT DOESNT MAKE IT LESS LETHAL NEITHER IS IT AN 'ASSAULT' HELICOPTER.

ALSO THE SU25 HAS A CARGO POD FOR CARRYING EXTRA EQUIPMENT AND MECHANICS BUT THAT DOESNT MAKE IT A TRANSPORT PLANE.

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THE MI35 HAS INSANE ARMOR COVERING, I MEAN ARMOR THAT CAN WITHSTAND 20 MM AND 25 MM AA ROUNDS. MOST APC AND IFV WILL PRACTICALLY SHRED APART. IT IS NOT CALLED A FLYING TANK FOR NOTHING.

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THE ONLY REAL EDGE IS
1) THE CALIBER OF WEAPONS CARRIED
2) THE RANGE OF WEAPONS CARRIED
3) DATA FUSION AND PROCESSING
3) DATA LINK.

MANEUVERBILITY DOESNT REALLY COUNT
BECAUSE HELICOPTERS ARE NOT DOGFIGHTERS,
THERE LARGE MAIN ROTOR MAKES THEM
NATURALLY UNMANEUVERABLE I.E THEY ARE
INHERENTLY STABLE BY DEFAULT.
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IF YOU ARE FLYING AN ATTACK HELICOPTER
AND SOMEONE FIRES A MANPAD OR SAM UP
YOUR ASS... IF YOUE FLARE AND CHAFF DECOY
DOESNT DEFEAT IT JUST BAILOUT OR SCREAM
MAYDAY.
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FLYING UPSIDE DOWN WONT DO YOU MUCH
GOOD..
LEAVE THAT FOR THE AIRSHOWS AND SAFFERS
PHOTOGRAPHERS. (NO OFFENCE)

iblawi:
Thanks bro for the video.

Rooivalk has never done this since the day it was designed.

Am sure they didn't even stimulate such kind of attacks

jln115:
better than the Rooivalk? How?

iblawi:
I guess it is bro. The most widely used attack helicopter suddenly became a transport helicopter because it has secondary role.

what we all know as FLYING TANK is now FLYING IFV.

iblawi:
I thought Egypt was about getting KA-50?

I believe Rooivalk should be 5th not 4th.

MikeCZA:
The primary role of aircraft like Apache, Rooivalk, Z-10 etc is to conduct airstrikes.

Analogy: Main battle tanks and Infantry fighting vehicles.

The role of tanks is to provide direct fire.

Infantry fighting vehicles carry troops to the battle and provide fire support.

Infantry fighting vehicles can offer some of the capabilities offered by tanks but will lack in areas such armour protection, fire power etc.

END!


The Hind design philosophy is similar to Infantry fighting vehicles by carrying troops then unlike utility helicopters or APCs which will retreat back from the front line. The Hind will drop it's payload and continue the supporting the troops.

This characteristic means the aircraft silhouette is increased.

Mi-28 is a dedicated attack helicopter the inclusion of a small space for personnel doesn't change that. Similar to the Merkeva main battle tank it has a small compartment for personnel that doesn't mean the tank is an IFV.

Performance!

South Africa during the so called boarder war operated helicopters in areas with an average height at times of 1000m+ above sea-level. This places restrictions on the capabilities of helicopters. In fact the Super frelon which was larger than the Puma was out performed by later's latest at the time.

The Puma being able to carry far heavier payloads in those conditions conditions than the Frelon. Today the Oryx still out performs lastest helicopters like the Cougar in those conditions.

In those conditions the Rooivalk out performs the Hind. It isn't as agile.

Armament:

The Denel helicopter carries heavier payload.

Chin mounted cannon: F2 20×139mm gun firing a longer round with a higher muzzle velocity compared to the twin barrel Gsh-23 23×115mm gun on the hind. Longer range!

16 Air to ground missiles can be carried!

nemesis2u:
MI28 has space for 3 extra men , but point is these space is not normally utilized.

this provision was made for a specific purpose that is for combat search and rescue operations (CSAR)

MI28 is a dedicated attack helicopter , it will go where even MI35 wont venture .

so if a aircrew is shot down over hostile territory where the enemy has considerable ground/air defence assets , then the MI28 will fly in as ATTACK HELICOPTER but with the secondary role of CSAR , it will stuff the rescued aircrew upto 3 into the hatch specifically designed for the purpose .

however with the additional men it will have to shed some of its weapons loads to make up for the additional weight. most probably one MI28 will act in CSAR role while other MI28s will provide cover / escort / scout roles in heavily threat / defended areas

nemesis2u:
where did i say that ?

not every country can afford dedicated AH, so they will make best use of what they have.

MI35 is fitted for and carries ATGMS/AAMs but MI35 is not optimized for dedicated attack helicopter roles.

if i don't have a dedicated AH , then i will use my MI35 for DEAD missions but my chances of achieving my mission goals will be comparatively less than while using a dedicated attack helicopter for the same mission.

parameter is know as mission success rate , it is used for war gaming stimulation / pre mission planning

same reason why the Russians have MI28 and KA series helicopters in the primary role of dedicated attack helicopter .

even tucanos carry PGMS , AAMs etc so why buy dedicated fighters like F16 SU30 ETC , i hope u see my point and ur flawed reasoning .

also what ever improvements r made to a platform is still restricted/dictated by the baseline design (with few exceptions where there r deep redesigns)

rugged7:
Captain Victor Ugochukwu Ulasi. Medical doctor. Graduate of UNN. Husband and father of 3. Killed by Boko Haram in Yobe on Sat
RIP

nemesis2u:
i would use Rooivalk for destruction of Enemy Air Defenses (DEAD) missions , high intensity Counter Surface Force Operations , air defense against helicopters and UAVs, high altitude warfare , recon/scout role

Sunday

TrueHeart365:
you seem to me like someone looking for an excuse to be wrong.

i won't bother after this. so do us a favor and go through this article cos i don't understand how a "dedicated" AH will sound strange to someone who claims military knowledge.


"The Russian Army received their first Mi-28Ns in 2006 as a replacement for their aging Mi-24 Hinds in the dedicated attack role."


"Interestingly enough, despite its classification of "attack helicopter", the Mi-28 Havoc features a three-person passenger compartment just aft of the main cockpit (similar to the larger Cold War-era Mil Mi-24 "Hind" series helicopters). However, this compartment is intended moreso as a rescue feature for downed airmen than for the transporting armed combatants into battle"
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=156

let's not derail this thread

TrueHeart365:
so in your narrative you will compare f-7 to su-30, or f-15 to f-22?

or mi-35 to apache?

funny guy.

TrueHeart365:
if you read my comment well i believe i used the word "less" manoeuvrable.

yes, they have their advantages which puts them in their separate class (mind you, mi-35 only has the adbantage of troop transport and nothing more)

i don't care what the rooivalk has done, what i'm saying is the comparison is wrong. so you would say since the hind has seen more combat than all the western attack helicopters, it makes it better?

sometimes the way you guys argue is something else

MikeCZA:
From your bedroom network enabled command centre?


Using a Battalion support weapon at the section level? Not even at company level.

Are we in the future? Soldiers now have exoskeletons?

Do you know what a squad is?

Every squad in the Nigerian army will carry and run around with an AGL!

Dum.....b..st thing I have heard since augubugubu.

TrueHeart365:
NO!!! it bloody hell isn't a dedicated attack helicopter. as an airforce officer this is something you should know.

the russians prefer the mi-35m in syria because it serves as troop transport for SF insertion. plus, they are fighting rebel groups with less sophistication. what do you need a ka-50 for?

their preference for it doesn't change it's role. it remains a multi-role AH with lots of disadvantages over a dedicated AH.

hence, my earlier comment of rooivalk and mi-35 not belonging to the same class.

bro, you sure sey you dey airforce truly. i find this your argument funny.

MikeCZA:
Show me a 23mm hand held weapon system!

That can be utilized down at the squad level!

Patchesagain:
Because the Mi-35 is cheaper

MikeCZA:
Inkuzi! A weapon if introduced into service with the SA army stands a chance to do what the Y2 MGL did to single grenade launchers!

Expanding sections?

Adds more fire power!

2iCs in the future might have no poor machine gunners to scream at?: Introduction of highly accurate fire/Specialists.

TrueHeart365:
which makes it heavier ( slow speed) and less maneuverable than the rooivalk.

why do you think the russians developed the mi-28 and ka-50.

this argument is baseless and abeg let's post on topic.

this is not the who has a bigger d1ck in africa thread

some research won't do you any harm before commenting

"A Russian Mil Mi-28N. The Mil Mi-28 along with the Ka-50 represented the first dedicated attack helicopter of the Soviet Air Forces in the 1980s."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_helicopter

TrueHeart365:
but seriously, some Nigerians here need to behave abeg.

no be everything be quarrel. how can you compare mi-35 to rooivalk.

they are not of the same class abeg.

one is a dedicated AH and the other isn't