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If God granted man freewill why did he thereafter create commands?

To search for validity and consequently truth

traeces: Friend, let me begin by saying I like you."born to party, forced to work."
Now to the point, By training am a core scientist and very widely read. My training predisposes me to ask questions and question answers until I arrive at questions that are unanswerrable and answers that are unquestionable. However, God helped me. I realized years ago that science as wonderful as it is has its limitations. There are plenty phenomena it hasn't been able to evidentially explain. There are several theories or positions it held few years ago which in the light of newer discoveries no longer hold. What's more, it can only investigate the natural, physical world. Nothing more! It has created absolutely nothing. All true scientist and science itself are bewildered by science's discoveries some of which were actually mistakes.
There is hardly any atheistic position I haven't read, understood and found credible and completely satisfactory answers to from the word of God. And I tell you the truth, anybody could find this answers satisfactory as well except that they are beyond science and logic. They are spiritual.
"My thoughts are completely different from yours," says the lord. "And my ways are far beyond anything you could imagine. For just as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts higher than your thoughts."
Is 55:8,9(NLT)
If we must find God, his terms is that we must come in faith for faith is what connects the physical to the spiritual. That was how those who walked before us obtained God's approval and until we have faith, we will never be able to trully understand (Heb 11:2-3)

You found questions unanswereable?? Have you reached the boundary of all human knowledge? You are making the claims of the omniscient, it is ridiculous.

I didn't expect you to make sense since you ditched logic and reasoning long ago

Hmmm
So how did you know how God looks like before concluding we have some semblance to him?

traeces: The bible contains the word of God. It has the letter and also the spirit. The letter kills, it is the spirit that gives life(2 Cor3:6)
ATHEISTS AND OTHER NON-BELIEVERS ATTEMPT TO UNDERSTAND THE WORD OF GOD BY MAKING IT ADD UP LOGICALLY. IN THAT THEY ERR AND WILL CONTINUE TO ERR.
It takes a spirit to percieve a spirit and there is nothing spiritual about logic. It is simply intellectual.

Once you pull out logic, you'd tend to sound ridiculous, cos you are not expected to make sense

To be truthfully, most religious ppl don't know their boundaries in secularism

What role is given to Reason?

I'm sure the OP made that with the aid of the Holy Spirit.

@ola

Loooooooool!!!!!

OLAADEGBU: It is your opinion that is subjective since you are not basing it on any empirical evidence. The resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ was miraculous and can be backed up by many criteria of certainty if you are a seeking for the facts.

Those who really wanted to know the truth have arrived at it using the many evidences at their disposal. Lets take Abraham Lincoln's case for instance. The mere fact that Abraham Lincoln was born, became president, or was assassinated cannot be proven using scientific methods. To be scientific it must be repeatable (as in the testing of gravity). The proofs that Lincoln did exist and was a historical figure are the following:

1. the written evidence,

2. eyewitness testimony,

3. physical evidence that remains to this day at the Ford Theatre, birth records and newspaper articles regarding his election.

All these facts are acceptable in a court of law as proof to a judge and jury.

It was Garry T. Ansdell (D.D.) who made a successful case out of this when he stated that The resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead is evidential because of the following reasons:

1. the existence of the empty tomb,

2. The birth record of our Lord Jesus Christ is documented all the way back to Adam and Eve,

3. the four Gospels record His death;

4. the location, even the names of the political leaders who sentenced Him are historically recorded;

5. there were more than five hundred eyewitnesses who saw Jesus after His resurrection, recorded by the New Testament writers;

6. the very existence of the Christian faith, based on His death and resurrection;

7. the cultural and political evidence at the time, including the Roman calender separating all of time into Before Christ (B.C.) and in the year of our Lord (A.D.).

If you accept the existence of Abraham Lincoln due to circumstantial evidence why not accept the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ?

1. Who identifies the Cave as Jesus' tomb? Because it is not a general fact to all, so someone must have identified the cave and known it was for Jesus. Hence a missing link btw cave and Jesus.

2. Who did that? Because no court a accepts evidence from anonymous persons.

3. There must be an exact coherence in their stories or else, it could be thrown out. Also through what perspective was their knowledge from, first hand testimonies or from hearsay?

5. Who are they? The five hundred?

6. Irrelevant.

7. Inconsistent.

Actually christians and Muslims are both agnostics, they don't know anything for sure and they worship an incomprehensible God.

Oahray: You forgot to add this: Scientists do not know how the universe came about, therefore a big b.a.n.g birthed the universe.

It takes great faith to construct a full organism from just teeth fossils (yes, the bulk of fossils are teeth). Atheists are no different from theists, they only try to sound smarter.

Therefore MaGiC?!

Upon reading our history, I was shocked at how corrupt, unholy, tribalistic these guys were. And they were even pawns for the colonists' game.

Atheism is the first step to Islam

Looool!!

The privilege of being dead and being mythified

The fact that the Church compiled a long index of forbidden books, which included the most pivotal scientific works is good proof that the Church isn't as tolerant as you say it is.

The sponsorship of universities count for nothing if the Church is adverse to the free flow of ideas and knowledge.

In line with the topic: today's Science faces the sam opposition from the Church (inclusive of Protestants)

@anony

A purpose presumes a mind which is actively engaged in the subject matter.

iSoldier: Though i just wish that those supporting gays wold be just clearheaded for once, if you know the true meaning of following Christ you know that there is no room for homosexuality in christianity. so i think they should just forget about putting the pressure on the church to condone it, there is no grey area btw the two. if the gays want acceptance they should just go and form their own religion, and stop trying to change christians to accept them, its just foolhardy. There is no way if you go through the bible and you find support for that, argue it with the best philosophical arguement, it wont bulge. and i think the West wants to put political pressure on the church to accept it, but they forget that ther is a spiritual side to it, it wont just work so they should stop trying

Though I'm not really interested in christian theology and its take on homosexuality except to Anony's concept of love, however Sin is taken to be a disease, like leprosy. Yet love is expected to be shown on the diseased rather than neglect and isolation. So how does the good Samaritan story affect homosexuality today?

Image123: there are Christians but they are not using their powers. There's a lot of iniquity abounding and the love of many waxing cold like Jesus said. I'm not in the legal system and can't dictate what should be criminalised. But sin is sin.

But earlier you said christians are sinleSs and pure dUE to the exercise of their power frm Christ. If such power isn't exercised, they wouldn't be Christians in the first place!

jmoore: only people with life below that of animals try to justify homosexuality.
The pastor spoke what is in the bible, he said nothing new.
No one is born gay, it is a choice just like stealing,raping etc

I don tire for u ppl, petty shallow talk.

If homosexuality can be compared with bestiality, same also heterosexuality. Besides most ppl that indulge in bestiality ban.g the opposite sex animal sef! Meaning heterosexuality is closer to bestialty!!

However I mentioned partnership, its obvious you didn't read my post.

Not reason but end purpose. Teleology is not justification.

SpicyMimi: Lmfaooooooooooooooo!!!! So no be only advocate Chaiii....sorry please are u a Nigerian
Me i no fit preach dis night sha, feeling sleepy already! I dont know abt u, bt there is a God nd He has actually done amazing things for me!
I cn rmber i wanted to b a prefect during my high skul days, bt i knew it cudnt work out cause i ws d most quiet gal in class nd my class teacher didnt even know i existed cuz we were many...i just told God my wish, nd wen d list came out my name wsnt on it, i wsnt suprised though...after 2weeks of releasn d list, i ws walkn thru d corridor then my class teacher saw me nd called me by name...she said '' oh, i hope u r among d acting prefects? Nd i said No ma...then she rushed to her office nd added my name to d list, i was shocked! I cudnt believe my eyes and ears...cuz we never communicated before, and she called my name! I knew it was God working!
Or is it abt my frd that was kidnapped by ritualists and escaped after being kidnapped for 11days?
Or is it abt how God saved me frm a wicked elderly man who wanted to murder me at the age of 10?
Or is it abt how God saved my Mum frm sinking inside soak away?
Or is it abt how i got lost in a strange place when i was just 5years old, bt found my way back home without anyone helpn me excpt God?
Or is it abt how my Aunty lied to d police in Germany that she was pregnant, and when they got to d hospital to confirm, they found out that my aunty who has been hoping to God for years, was actually pregnant without her knowing it She almst fainted!
I mean so many things! Enough things around u proves that God exists, u just trying to make ursef not to believe it! You cant xplain how d world is so perfect, can u?

He lives even inside You!

Good story. Also if we can provide a convincing list of tragedies then God doesn't exist

@image123

From your conclusion, I can safely conclude that there are no Christians in Nigeria.

Homosexuality isn't yet criminalized in Nigeria so its not a crime for now. However should all abnormal things be criminalized??

@jmoore

Did you read what I posted?? Can u have a partnership with a goat?

Image123: All sins are not equal, i wonder where you got that idea. Man can say no to sin by accepting Jesus Christ as his Saviour. man has that choice to make. What is persecution of homosexuals, speaking against homosexuality?

Legislations of criminalization and ostracism.

You mean to say that once a man acts JC as his saviour, he becomes perfect??

jmoore: marriage is the union of a man and a woman, the gays should leave marriage out of this. The emphasis is on marriage, if your brother wants to mate a goat thats his business but he should not seek for the country give him a legal recognition to marry the goat.

Marriage is actually partnership based on matrimonal privileges. Its btw the parties, not the State and the parties or the Church and the parties.

Reproduction is not a prerequisite of marriage so reproductive compatibility isn't an issue.

Marriage can be contracted on the basis of love, if the parties believe that they are insanely in love, the state can not stop them.

Given that the Nigerian constitution espouses a right to association, it means that ppl are entitled to freely bond partnerships upon whatever terms and conditions they choose including matrimonial privileges.

loswhite: u must be a very sick person. There is no such tin as gay Christian.

If a christian is a person without sins then there are no christians, because the only christian would be the perfect Christ!

Ubenedictus: galileo triggered a chain reaction, wen ur scriptural interpretation is condemned, so will d ideas u support and so will d books condemning d ideas. Since galileos books were banned, his ban will affect those who share d same ideas.

1. Galileo's scriptural interpretation is separable from both Copernicus, Galileo and Keplar heliocentric model. The model doesn't fundamentally rest on the interpretation, there were mathematical and physical scale arguments which propped it. So its illogical to ban heliocentrism on a negative interpretation.

2. The church was clearly protecting its own spiritual "truth" and if need be against the interest of science's development, which itself proves that knowledge is one, and can't be divided.

3. Against the false image of the church you presented, the Church didn't sponsor and promote scientific development. The church maintained a censor over scientific works as seen of Kepler and Copernicus's works and other scientists.

Whether or not homosexuality should be legalized is entirely a secular issue.

To the christians, does the Christian concept of love change in the face of persecution of homosexuals?

Isn't the idea of sin and man; that man is irretrivable flawed to resist sin?

Given that all sins are equal, why does homosexuality attract this much attention?

davidylan: Dumb. Actually i answered the question much earlier. you were probably too dense to notice.

Is said very simply that the likelihood that there are more atheist women than men is a possibility... their relative lack of contribution here appears to suggest the contrary but that may be because a lot of them would rather spend their time doing something more reasonable than blabbing on a "god" they claim does not exist. Quick example i used... there are FAR more christian men debating on this section, but it is well known that women sometimes outnumber men in the church 3:1.

Where did you get that statistics from? National Census Commission?

Joagbaje: I agree with the first part. You are responsible for your life , not God. God gives his word and power as instrument for us to prosper by . What you do with the word of God determine the out come. Through his words ,instructions for living are given. If you do the word . You will experience the protection and blessing. If you don't do it . You experience the absence of the blessing in the particular area of your carelessness . The choice is yours.

Deuteronomy 30:19
I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing:therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Proverbs 4:20-22
My son, attend to my words;incline thine ear unto my sayings. Let them not depart from thine eyes;keep them in the midst of thine heart. For they are life unto those that find them,and health to all their flesh.





This last part of your post is wrong. God cares and he want every one to know his principles and by these principles make their lives successes.

Joshua 1:8
observe to do according to all that is written therein:for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.

From the scripture above ,it says "thou" shall make thy way prosperous. You see it's our responsibility , to take advantage of his grace

Hence God is a means to one's goals of prosperity and happiness? How do you explain the riches of none Christians?

Why should that affect secular laws??

Besides wouldn't overpopulation be dangerous for our modern society?!

chakula: If you did not come in defence of your religion who else will represent you.

The case is very simple if the man was there before the church then he has the right to fight for his right and if it was happened that the church was there before him then he can relocate to the silence area simple.

Pls where did you get this from? Lawbooks? Is there any legislation that states this land law??