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KingEbukasBlog:
You always quick to embarrass yourself . I mean you are an atheist so its kind of your thing .

Anyway , I said that some deists believe that God requires worship while some believe you can have transpersonal (panendeism ) , personal and spiritual relationship (Spiritual deism ) with God . I posted the snippet below so that anyone can see the foolishness the average atheist displays countless times and effortlessly .

So the deists disagree on what type of God they have. Hmmm

KingEbukasBlog:
Kay , this is what happened :

YOU said :



And I said :



You are way too smart to feign ignorance na ... it breaks my heart . So why don't you agree with the deists who deduced the existence of God based on reason - this according to you is a way of finding the truth .

And how did the deists come to the conclusion that God exists through reason?

You ought to have asked yourself that and referred the answer to me.

KingEbukasBlog:
I'll answer this question when you answer mine .

What happened to the deists?

jeeqaa7:
So I am Glad.. Extremely happy.. He did this for me. He cleared my doubt. He broke protocols . He stunned us all
He died. Asin died completely
Not for His Crime. Not for something He did but something I did. He set the standard for Love.
Against all odds
He rose.. He is back and this time .
He comes Triumphant.
Hallelujah hallelujah hallelujah.
I am a witness and I feel different.
I feel Good
Christ is Risen.


Like if you are a Christian
Share if you are a Muslim

Did he die to forgive old sins or new sins?

KingEbukasBlog:
There is no begging the question here . I listed three possibilities and asked you for the logical one . 'God' is the appellation for the First Cause . In case you believe the universe is the First Cause , then you are wrong : the universe does have not properties of the First Cause - the exact opposite in fact .

Cause and effect relationship relies on a physical principle observable within our universe. Why do you believe such a principle must extend beyond this universe?

owoleola:
A conscious mind must have been the mastermind of an organized or ordered thing,well that does rule out the idea that the world just came into existence without no cause.And also this is where my dogma comes in,because I believe in God,He Himself wasn't created.

In a debate personal beliefs are helpless in persuasion. Of what use would my dogma be to you. Except we have a common ground that reason would lead us to finding the truth, right?

KingEbukasBlog:
Wow . How is that possible please explain . And after you are done , select which you think is logical

1. Infinite Regress

2. First Cause [Eternal , Necessary Existent , Self Existent, Self Sufficient , Non Contingent ]

3. Something out of literally nothing uncaused .

This is begging the question. Why would i agree with you that God is the first cause or that something came out of nothing uncaused when in principle i do not accept the assumptions for such.

KingEbukasBlog:
Being maximally great means that God is Omnipotent , Omniscient , morally perfect , Omnipresent etc . And God being simple is that these attributes are not parts of God that make Him God , they are simply identical to His being .You dig ?

The word you searching for in substitute of simple is whole. If an entity is indivisible then it's whole.

In my belief, maximal greatness involves an advanced stage of complexity

judedwriter:
God knows everything from the end to the beginning. For example, Enoch prophesied the coming of Jesus even before the birth of Noah! God knew that Judas would intentionally betray Jesus from the beginning.

Jesus actually gave Judas a chance to repent, when He told His disciples that one of them would betray Him. But he didn't. Even after betraying Jesus, Judas didn't seek for mercy-he hanged himself!

But he felt the guilt of betraying his master by returning the gold to the Pharisees and committing suicide. Jesus already being tortured and executed by the time he was ready to plead for forgiveness. So he didn't have the option of forgiveness.

Probably he represents the hopelessness of a sinful life before Jesus because the option of seeking forgiveness in the name of Jesus was absent.

aribisala0:
The problem in our power sector has very little to do with engineering It has more to do with political choices and decision making, legislation and Nigerian culture. I know a facility where they use a transformer ,they have a poultry,ad some heavy equipment but they do not pay one naira to
PHCN instead they settle the PHCN staff regularly.
Now we have to make a strategic decisions as nation about how to power our plants since gas is clearly unreliable.
again this is a political decision. Should we go nuclear or turn to coal? These are the issues and it makes no difference who is minister.We need to make choices and source for money for investment which we do not have..
Let us not pretend that any so called technocrat can magic money or solve the energy source conundrum without political leadership from the president and legislative
We will have to privatize transmission which will be a very humiliating national decision but by delay we are only postponing the pain.
Nigeria n's will have to pay a lot more and we will come to realise that electricity is for the rich.Just like with mobile phones,everyone has one but how many can really afford to use them?
People will have to get used to running out of credit and doing without

BIG LIKE

Billyonaire:
Islam must be opened up for criticism. Muslims must tolerate criticism. Good Muslims MUST step up and save their religion from emotional extremist who use online fora to recruit foot soldiers for terrorists.

I am a friend of Muslims who do not insult their wives, who train their children, who weigh their pockets before marrying 4 wives. We must understand that these emotionally unstable extremist breed children they cant train and they end up as terrorists.

Good muslims MUST join Sanusi is teaching Muslims tolerance and the need to understand that Boko is Not Haram.

As for this emotional tadpole, his place is not in Islam, he is a potential terrorist, a ticking time-bomb that needs to be arrested and rehabilitated.

Sick mind.

What authority defines a good Muslim?

sarahade:
My brother call it whatever you like but we know say woman sabi hold body how do i know this I'm a woman.
As for aja adugbo even a married woman can be ajaadugbo(loose) dear.
Its not better to be suffering and smiling dear .
Why can't men take being with one partner with good faith and be patient with her. Hypocrites!!!
Every woman deserve to be happy.

It's funny that there is a declaration of Islamic fidelity before one can speak. Nonetheless in order to speak it might be necessary to lie to defeat silence.

I think you misconstrue the intent of the OP. Islam probably created a voice for a wife within a polygamous union. The authorities, Islamic, contemplate a disagreement of a wife with a polygamous arrangement so one ought to explore the options given to the woman

PetroleumJelly:
BTW, Fashola is a 100 square inch peg trying desperately hard to fit into a 20 square inch hole.

Doesn't work.

I don't care what you Nigerians say, talking about how you don't need technocrats as ministers. This isn't America, I hope you guys understand that. This is Nigeria, a developing country.

In America, technocrats have slaved over the years, such that, management of sectors can be achieved with little technical background knowledge.

There, systems work.

You can't extrapolate a working system to encompass that of a developing system, as the latter precedes the former.

What we need now are technocrats everywhere. I would even suggest technocrats with MBAs as ministers, rather than what we currently have.

We need to get our sectors working first. We need Power at 20-30GW in the next 5 years. After that, you can hire a butcher as the power minister for all I care.

Can't we just do things right for once in this country?

We are struggling with an abysmal 3GW of power and you hire a lawyer to remedy that? Sigh!

Meanwhile, humans like us, with one head, mostly 2 arms and 2 feet are out there in other countries doing wonders, while we play politics with our sectors, awarding them as spoils of electoral victory, akin to war.

Google already had self driving cars, Tesla has electric vehicles you simply charge up like your phone.

What are we doing

You misunderstand in a fundamental manner how ministries work. A minister provides political guidance and leadership which the civil service under his control would follow while the permanent Secretary is often the technocrat and administrator.

Fashola's role is to create an atmosphere and the conditions for the numerous technocrats under his control to work and offer politically viable solutions. Besides the most pressing issues in the power sector concern financing and profitability which are hardly technical issues.

KingEbukasBlog:
You misconstrued my point . Wholeness is a physical property and it is created so God doesn't posses wholeness as an attribute . God is more like a maximally great being. You talked about orderliness and organization of parts as your criterion for being caused to exist because you believe God has organized and ordered parts but God doesn't . God is a simple being who has no temporal , spatial or metaphysical parts; God's attributes are simply identical to his being .

God is a maximally great being and at the same simple being?

KingEbukasBlog:
Wow . How is that possible please explain . And after you are done , select which you think is logical

1. Infinite Regress

2. First Cause [Eternal , Necessary Existent , Self Existent, Self Sufficient , Non Contingent ]

3. Something out of literally nothing uncaused .

I hope you do recall that you were the one trying to prove that your God didn't require a creator because he was whole. But given that wholeness doesn't not guarantee being uncaused God could likely be caused.

KingEbukasBlog:
There are still dependent on the existence of God i.e if God hadn't existed then these entities would not exist . Though they exist necessarily , they are still contingent .

We can relate this to Hawking model - no boundary proposal - that supposedly eliminates the need for God for the existence of the universe giving the universe the ability to create itself from not just vacuum but from literally nothing since nothing exists outside the universe . But without God this would be impossible since He is the source of all reality . And if God hasn't willed it to be so , such activity wouldn't even occur in the same place .

Then God being whole doesn't stop him from having a creator

KingEbukasBlog:
I'm not sure there are any other .

So your only example of a unembodied mind is God?

KingEbukasBlog:
Well there is a radical theory which postulates that an advanced alien civilization has transcribed themselves into the quantum realm - they are now part of the fabric of the universe . Does that count too ?

It's still speculative. Provide a clear example not one from other radical theories

KingEbukasBlog:
All matter , energy , space , time were created in the Big Bang .

I think I understand what you are hinting at and its called Platonism whereby entities like abstract objects - numbers , properties , sets - are necessarily existing and are uncreated as God and thus independent of God's existence . Right ?

But I clearly stated in the first point I made that since God is supreme and omnipotent he transcends all having the power the terminate even necessarily existing entities . Some philosophers also asserted that these necessarily existing causally impotent abstract objects depend on God's will and intellect for their existence i.e assuming God had willed 3+3 to be 8 then it would have been so .

Wouldn't your conclusion, that whole entities do not require causation or creation, change in view of the examples have right now?

KingEbukasBlog:
Does God have parts that need to be ordered and organized Let's play a game dear : name 5 parts God has . GO !

Would you agree with me that energy time space and gravity for being without parts are uncreated?

KingEbukasBlog:
Scrutiny .

A Test is scrutiny. So be more particular

KingEbukasBlog:
Man's spirit is an unembodied mind .

Loool! An uncontroversial example would be appreciated.

KingEbukasBlog:
Christian theism fine lady

I asked what is the test not which religion had the true concept of God.

KingEbukasBlog:
God is described as an unembodied mind - his consciousness is experienced without any material body . Since God is eternal , his consciousness is also eternal

It is patently clear you do not have the luxury of eternity therefore you can not as an individual say you have experienced God's eternity.

Now can you state any example of an unembodied mind without a material body aside from God.

KingEbukasBlog:
One God and many concepts of God . The question should have been 'which is the true concept of God ?'

What is the true concept of God?

owoleola:
Though as Christians our beliefs should not be rested on the wisdom of men but in the power of the holy ghost however, I have to say this......was just looking at the human body system,and how organized it is,nature itself,sun's rising and falling,seasons,availability of air,the type needed for respiration and consequently survival....and the likes,could all these have come accidentally or from nowhere?...judging from the level of organization.

The typical skeptic's response is whether all things that are organized and ordered must come from a creator as an absolute rule. Now if it is not then you have to mention the exceptions.

However if it is an absolute rule then God himself for being supremely ordered and organized cannot escape his need of a creator.

Again the absolute rule would be useless and absurd if it creates an infinite chain of cause and effect.

What is the test for the true God?

Considering that we are inundated with a plethora of Gods claiming the title of the creator of the universe.

whytediamond:
50% of work places in Nigeria do not Grant even 15days leave, yet you find people work from Monday to Saturday.

This only applies in the Corporate world.

I believe rest and play is good for a healthy body and mind to work and think effect efficiently.

Nice piece sir.

An employer can find less incentive in giving yearly leave where he believes his workers are expendable and replaceable

modik:
If a male youth corper molests a female minor, civil society groups and women right protection organizations swing into action.

Here is the root cause of all these vices, yet none of them raises a finger to address this now.

We like fire fighting approach to problem solution in Nigeria! Fighting the result instead of the root cause.

What a delusion!

Isn't it worse to molest the child and the child has no clue what is happening

Dextology:
Chai, children of this generation are getting exposed by the day. The Education Board should have list of approved textbooks and educational materials for all school to make use of.

A 9 Year old kid shouldn't be expose to this kind of comprehension, the author and editor of the textbook should be sanctioned. There are reasonable issues and topics to write a comprehension passage that will suit a 9year old.

A child at 9yrs albeit tiny in stature is aware of sex, its details and possible consequences. But due to the child's immaturity in age and thought she would unable to adequately understand how concepts of love sex STDs pregnancy come together. And a wrong idea from the tv or internet or magazines would mislead her and result to bad decisions because parents remain passive and refuse to acknowledge the reality.

It is best the proper ideas come from quarters she already believes like schools or parents rather than very nasty people or from Wizkid.

The foundation of this thread is left unaddressed - what is a code?

@op

How far can logical reasoning go? Can it go as far as denying the very existence of God?

I have noted a particular attribute of God the Quran has made prominent that is God is incomprehensible. That God's mind is a billion light years away from man's and there is hardly a common ground of understanding between both. Now if God's truest intention cannot be known to man due to his incomprehensible nature then your entire analysis would not worth a dime.

Furthermore what are the concepts of justice and mercy to a being without responsibility to any one. Why would God feel guilt if he is unjust to us humans? I don't see how he would.