₦airaland Forum

MrAnony1:
That is not what metaphysical means. So again and for the last time, what question exactly are you asking me?

Metaphysics deals with the nature of reality and form etc. In the case of the divine, it is said to be of an alternate reality. Hence by metaphysics, I didn't mean our reality but the ultimate reality.

My question, is how do you find this ultimate reality obvious when you do not have the senses nor the experience to capture it?

Nonso23:
Kay17 did you read those papers at all ??
I'm done with one of them already and I don't see how they further advance your argument
If anything they bludgeon it to smithereens.
See the posted portions for reference.

Let me read the rest.

The Abstract

Pay gap between males and females is a major policy concern in national developmental discourse. The paper examines the causes of gender pay gap in Nigeria. The theories proposed in literature suggest three principal causes: differences in human capital, crowding discrimination, and other forms of discrimination. This paper reviews studies on the pay disparities and examines the many explanations for the disparities. It employs both primary and secondary data sources from the Federal Office of Statistics (FOS) and the survey conducted by the researcher. The population for the study comprised teachers, medical doctors and journalists in three local government areas in Lagos Nigeria.Respondents were randomly selected from each of the three professional bodies. 240 questionnaires were administered across of which 185(77 %) made up of 82 (44.3%) females and 103 (55.7%) males were returned in usable condition. Mean comparisons were used to determine significance of differences between the pay of male and female respondents. To reduce the disparities in pay it recommends actions like legislative measures, general recommendations, monitoring procedures and support for low-paid occupations.

Methodology

This study employs both primary and secondary data sources. Secondary data was in form of cross-sectional data from the General Household Survey (GHS) conducted yearly by the Federal Office of Statistics (FOS). Primary data was obtained from the survey conducted by this researcher between in August and October 2012. The population for this study comprised teachers, medical doctors and journalists in four local government areas in Lagos Nigeria. Respondents were randomly selected from each of the three professional bodies of the doctors, teachers and journalists. 240 questionnaires were administered of which 185(77 %) made up of 82 (44.3%) females and 103 (55.7%) males were returned in usable condition. Mean comparisons were used to determine significance of differences between the pay of male and female respondents.

Results

Table 1 Actual Pay of Male and Female Professionals Salary =N= Salary =N= Occupation Male Female Male Female Doctors 42 17 =N=2,056,000 =N=1,904000 Journalists 48 26 =N=1,408,000 =N=1,296,000 Teachers 13 39 =N=1,299,200 =N=1,187,200 Total 103 82 Table 1 gives the average actual salary of male and female professionals in the three occupations. The indication is that male doctors had a mean annual pay of =N=2,056,000, while their female counterparts only had a mean annual pay of =N=1,904,000 giving an annual difference of =N=152,000.For the journalists there was a mean of =N=1,408,000 for males as against =N=1,296,000 for the while females resulting in a difference of=N=112,000. Again for the teachers (a profession dominated by females) the mean annual pay for males was =N=1,299,200 and that of the females was=N=1,187,200 giving a difference of =N=112,000 annually. 72 (38.9%) of the respondents indicate that gender pay gap is due to the effects of different reward structures to human capital and differences in the average percentage of females in the individual's occupation. 52 (28.2%) indicate that gender the pay gap is due to crowding discrimination while thought it was due to sheer stereotypes and overt discrimination.

Recommendations

This paper recommends the reduction of the gender pay gap through initiatives that combat occupational segregation and address women’s labour market segregation. Government policies should promote equal opportunities for males and females in the workplace by reducing the gender pay gap; increasing availability of quality, part-time work, introducing gender duty and ensuring career guidance that is free from gender stereotyping. Pay differences must be carefully monitored and pay measures benefiting low-paid occupations should be introduced to improve the incomesituation of females. The initiatives should seek support for female careerdevelopment through new measures on parental leave and care services, in particular increasingthe number of crèches and introducing parental leave periods reserved for fathers, in order to balance the distribution of family care obligations between men and women.Awareness raising initiatives among employers and the wider public should be supported to share experiences and develop strategies as well as sending gender equality delegations to schools, improving conditions at workplaces, facilitating the combination of parenting and working, and increasing investment in women’s entrepreneurial activities. Legislative support for collective bargaining on gender equality should be considered and multi industry agreement on gender balance and gender occupational equality. Some have advocated for provisions for mandatory quotas for women in boardrooms, voluntary quotas for women in management, corporate governance codes to promote better representation of women in senior managements.Women must be encouraged into male occupations. The crowding effect causes society to produce too much of the outputs that uses "underpriced" female labour. Over production leads to a simple supply and demand dilemma for female labour so that when supply exceeds demand price falls even further. There is need to clarify, streamline and enforce existing laws and regulations. Next is the issue of policy perceptions. There must therefore be concerted efforts to educate the public that the aim of quota policies is to "equalize" the fairness of the labour market and ensure a more efficient allocation of resources.

Conclusion

This study found that the effects of crowding discrimination, differences in individual characteristics account for the gender pay gap and that that labour market discrimination against females persists. Since economic growth is largely dependent on the wellbeing of women, improving the status of women is not simply about social justice and human rights but economic growth. Unequal treatments bring about inefficient allocation of resources. A nation’s competitiveness is jeopardized when skilled workers from any segment are excluded arbitrarily from employment opportunities or prevented from working up to full potential because of discriminatory practices, hostile workplace environment, or unnecessary inflexible employment policies. Organizations who want to gain competitive edge and advantage cannot overlook necessary skills and experience merely because of gender. This is a principle underlying efforts to attract a diverse work force.

bukatyne:
For Nigeria Kay17,

I have never heard of any organization in Nigeria there is a wage gap due to gender.

There is wage gap, however it is due to

*Core business of the organization... (a company in telecoms will pay their IP Engineers and Solution Architects more than their financial staff; An IT person in KPMG would surely be miserable)

*God Fatherism: Who brought you in the organization? Head Hr etc.

*Packaging: How you package yourself... Ajebutter that does shait or Ajepako? Sha just be Ajebutter

*Previous Salary: Some yeye organizations have started asking for last pay slip to benchmark the new one

*Certifications: Some pay according to certifications

*Luck: Some people are just paid more by luck

*Starting: In some organizations, how you start determines your pay. If you start as an officer with N200K; you might grow through the ranks earning N600K as a manager. Someone employed as a manager straight up might earn N1m with same job and experience.

What sort of organizations do you have in mind?

I personally know firms and offices that have fired women for the crime of pregnancy. But that's my experience, I do not want to generalise nor simplify a complex problem. However I ran into this research thesis, this is more educating than what the denial crowd can offer.

http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Tinuke_Fapohunda/publication/258344013_The_Gender_Pay_Gap_in_Nigeria_Causes_and_Remedies/links/00b7d527fd82a98b06000000.pdf

http://omicsonline.com/open-access/2224-8358/2224-8358-1-186.pdf?aid=19439

http://www.ewp.rpi.edu/jbdn/jbdnv803.pdf

TV01:
No it does not.

There is no structural impediment to women being paid the same - and it is illegal to discriminate. Any differences are down to choices and negotiating power. And, and, men work harder - and are able to work harder - than women. Fact!

TV

^{...racial discrimination is a way bigger problem than "gender" discrimination.}

Isn't racial discrimination illegal? But it still exists similarly gender discrimination, because of prejudice. You yourself have shown countless times why the woman is an inferior object/entity which deserves domination and domestication.

Timbuktou:
I may have been a janitor, who cares? The fact is I've worked alongside women all this while and the first time I'm hearing all the pay difference tosh is from unemployed people living in a bubble. Do you know even know what a pay-slip looks like, I doubt you do!

From the position of a janitor in five industries, which I'd assume is a vital position and administrative apex to survey the entire Nigerian labour market and come to the conclusion there are no unequal pay issues.

MrAnony1:
I don't understand your question. The very nature of being is metaphysical. What exactly are you asking me?

Reality beyond our experience and our capability.

Timbuktou:
Five industries is more than enough for me to know what I'm talking about, missy. How many years have you worked, in how many establishments, in how many sectors of the labour market? And, no, I'm not naming shiit because you just keep shifting the goalpost each time I raise a point. How does the name(s) of anywhere I've worked help you bring facts that I've asked you for since yesterday. Either you present incontrovertible proof over sexism in pay or you shut up and admit that someone with experience has schooled your read-and-believe-without-verification ass.

You know what? I dare any woman on nairaland, in Nigeria, to come out, with proof, and name and shame any establishment where they have worked where this pay-gap exists. Please, champion this drive, you seem to believe it with all your heart. Surely, of all the working and retired women on here, at least, one should have experienced this 'widespread and growing' phenomenon.

And with five industries, you believe in your inner self that your experience is encompassing! I do not even know what position you had.

coogar:
this is the office of the national statistics humiliating a top feminist in the UK for cooking up a fraudulent statistic about gender pay. she has since apologised.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1225360/Humiliation-Harriet-Harman-statisticians-dismiss-claims-equal-pay.html#article-1225360

Did you read the article and come to the conclusion there is nooo unequal pay?

buchibrand:
Don't think am happy with such slavery marriage but if you fail to heed the fore warning http://www.successbookz.biz/2014/12/10-early-symptoms-of-will-fail-marriage.html ....you too must accept responsibility for ur wrong choices and leave with it Till Death Part the way...Peace! Only way Out.

Marriage is a sacred institution and I will not lend my voice to the ones crying for it's desecration(divorce). If you blindly Sign a contract I expect you to also blindly see it off.
Beware!

A marriage comprises of at least two people, why place the responsibility on one person?!

coogar:
there's nowhere on the planet women are paid less than men for the same role. that's just utter balderdash used by feminists to play the victim card like they usually do. they always manipulate the statistics to suit their evil agenda.

for instance, almost half of the women in the UK work part time compared to their counterparts with just 11% doing part-time. when feminists want to pull the wool over the eyes of their sheep, they bring out how much income men make overall without considering the number of hours each gender puts in.

Empty barrels to back that up.

Lilly Ledbetter had worked at Goodyear for years before someone slipped her a note telling her that she was making a lot less money than other men at her seniority level. Others might learn it through gossip, or through a stray pay stub.

Working women all over the US have had their own equal pay awakenings, when they realized their salaries lagged those of others who had the same qualifications. The knowledge can be a shock.

One thing is clear, however: most American women are still not getting paid as much as their male colleagues.

“Women against feminism” – a viral social media campaign that sprang up this month – isn’t purely an American phenomenon. When Guardian US and ProPublica asked for your equal pay awakenings, one of our British readers, Juliette, 45, insisted that she too was “sick of being made out to be a victim simply because I am a woman. I chose to have children and be their primary carer. I am not underpaid or a victim.”

Yet her annual pay is £5,000, or $8,473, less than that of the men in her office. Her explanation? It is not discrimination, just an effect of her having a child and needing flexible hours. “It is not a criticism of my abilities and I do not think all women are discriminated against,” she wrote.

The truth, unfortunately, is that women have been and still are paid less even if they do not take time off to have a child or need flexible hours. They earn, on average, about 77 cents for every dollar that a man earns. In span of a year, they make $11,500 less than their male counterparts.

Being underpaid doesn’t automatically make you a victim. It’s an alert to stop being one. Most women who have discovered unequal pay have stood up for themselves, paving way for other women in their company. Some quit to prove that they deserve to be treated the same as their male co-workers. We all know the statistic that about 57% of men ask for their raises. For women, that number was 7%.

Yet women who do raise the subject of salary find that asking is not enough. Often times, they are told to take it or leave it. Frequently, even when given raises, their new pay still comes short of that of their male coworkers.

While that might be enough to discourage some from trying, women have to keep asking for raises and for higher pay. Why? Because men don’t hesitate to ask.

Here are the stories of women who had equal pay awakenings.

Margaret, 35, Los Angeles, California
Pay difference: $5.50 versus $7 an hour

I was a cashier at an Italian restaurant in high school in the early 90s. I worked with a boy, also in high school, and learned he made more than me when we compared pay checks one day. Neither of us had any idea that we were being paid differently for the exact same job.

I complained to the boss, one of the owners of the restaurant. At first, he tried to justify it by saying the boy was a grade older than me. Finally, he admitted that he just thought boys should be paid more. End of story. I was infuriated.

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Even teenagers in pizza parlours experience unequal pay. Photograph: Ted Pink/Alamy
Jenny, 29, London
Pay difference: 15,000 pounds

I had always thought the job I did and the job my colleague did were equal. In fact I often covered work for him and very often helped him out, because it was important for the good of the team. He left unexpectedly and it was only when the job was advertises that I realised that his pay had been so much higher, all the time.

I talked to my manager who explained that my colleague was paid more because he had been at the organisation longer. I said I thought we should have a more similar wage at least (not a 15,000-pound difference) because if anything, I contributed more. In the end I did leave for a better (and better-paid) job.

Jane, 67, Lynnwood, Virginia
Pay difference: Health Insurance

[Forty-five years ago], when asking my boss for insurance for myself and my child, I was informed that males in the company were married, so they got family insurance, but I was female and not married so I got squat.

I repeated what my boss said back to him to see how it sounded to him. He shook his head and self-righteously said: ‘yes, a man with kids gets insurance but not a woman with a child.’ I was shocked and felt demeaned.

Cassandra, 52, San Francisco, California
Pay difference: $3,000 a year

My husband and I graduated together and got the same job at two different companies. I was hired a few weeks before he was. In his final interview, he mentioned I was being paid $33,000, so his company bumped my husband’s pay up to $36,000 so he would be earning more than I was.

I started at my company at the same time and for the same salary as a new male graduate – but the company advised him to start a day before me so he would always have seniority over me.

Erin, 26, UK
Pay difference: $20,000

I knew for a while that others were paid at a higher rate compared to me. I just accepted that and I don’t really know why. I guess I thought I just wasn’t as good and others were slightly more experienced. I am an engineer and have a masters degree in my subject (and a lot of student debt to go with it), this is necessary for my job role, and this is my first company after graduating. I am the only female engineer.

Others in the same role as me were less qualified, studying part time and having their fees paid for by the company, and also getting at least 1 day per week study leave. It was when I found out that their study day was not unpaid but paid at their normal day rate that I got angry and upset. I was fully qualified working 5 days a week. They were unqualified, earning 50% more than me and working only 4 days per week.

I asked for a raise to match the others’ day rates. I stated my case and said it was not fair and that I would leave if it was not resolved. I was nearly fobbed off with a much smaller raise but I said again that I would not take anything less than being equal to the men. My supervisor agreed reluctantly.

Kathleen, 59, San Francisco, California
Pay difference: $1 an hour (in 1975, that was a lot)

How did you find out you were being paid less? Compared rates with male employees.

We worked on the paint crew of our university’s Physical Plant Department one summer. The other gal and I asked for an interview with the department manager. We laid out our case. The other gal was a lot feistier than I and angered the manager. He said if we want a raise we have to prove we deserve to be paid the same as the men. So we had to paint an entire house without the assistance of any males. We did it.

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Can a woman do the same job as a man? You bet. Photograph: REX/Image Broker
Samantha, 25, New York, New York
Pay difference: $7,000 a year

My supervisor was leaving for a new opportunity and we were out for drinks. After some shake-ups on our team, I had been given a lot of new responsibility and a fancy new title to go along with it. My supervisor encouraged me to ask for an equivalent of her salary – $55,000/year compared to my $45,000. I was unsure of my value at the company when a colleague – recent college grad as of May 2013 and in the most entry-level position at our company – piped up to say that he couldn’t believe I was only making $45,000 being there nearly a year with two years of experience under my belt because his starting salary was $52,000.

I approached my boss, the only woman in a leadership position at the company, and mentioned that with my supervisor leaving, my role changing and my responsibilities growing, I’d like to be financially compensated for that. She was caught off guard and said she’d bring it up to the CEO. Two weeks later she hugged me because she had gotten me a raise. The company thought I was worth 9% more than what I was making, putting my annual salary at $48,000 – still $4,000 less than the newest person in our company.

J, 42, New York, New York
Pay difference: $15,000 a year

After 14 years at my workplace, I got a promotion. A male colleague who’d been at the company for four years had also just received the same promotion. I asked him how much he was earning and he graciously told me: it was $15,000 more than they were offering me. Plus his annual bonus was higher: 15% of his salary versus 10% for me.

I was still in the process of negotiating my pay, so I asked for more. I was told no, take it or leave it. I took it, but I now feel much less loyal to this place.

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Even after a raise, some women still earn less than their male colleagues. Photograph: Alamy
Laura, 29, Durham, North Carolina
Pay difference: $1 an hour

I was being paid $15 an hour and had been there for a year, and realized that a new, entirely inexperienced male peer had been started at $16 an hour. I talked to my boss. When I complained, she raised my pay to be equal to his, even though I had been there a year longer than him. I quit shortly after.

I have never asked for a raise. Once I quit the job, they offered me $3 more an hour to stay, going from $16 an hour to $19 an hour. I was insulted that they hadn’t given me a raise in two years when they were able to offer something like that on the fly. I still quit the job.

Robin, 49, Laurel, Maryland
A new grad male, doing the same job as myself and another woman both employed in the same position for about 10 years, was offered more money than either of us. I get raises when asking, but the man didn’t ask for or negotiate the higher salary. He didn’t know he was making so much more.

We talked about filing a complaint but both of us ended up leaving the position (as did he).

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Asking for a raise can be nerve wracking. Photograph: Joshua Hodge Photography/Getty Images
Pay discrimination can go both ways:

Dan, 30, Sydney, Australia
I found out I was being paid significantly less than my female colleagues when assisting in the recruitment of colleagues. I am the only man in a team of 11. My hiring managers were all women and were sexist.

[I] told my manager I identified it. Ask for an explanation of the disparity. When they claimed budget was making it hard to close [the] identified gap, I said that was understandable, noted that my grievance was raised under the formal grievance policy, and that they were obliged to formally respond – [I] mentioned discrimination. One month later I was moved to pay parity.

Women need to organise as a class to effect change. The problem clearly impacts men as well – on nowhere near the same scale though. Use us as allies.

http://www.theguardian.com/money/us-money-blog/2014/aug/13/women-equal-pay-gender-gap-stories-work

Even in developed countries which are supposed to have surmounted the challenges, the ugly problems still exist. The main difficulty is accessing the level of discrimination in equal pay because payrolls are often private records of most workplaces. The workplaces have a legal right to protect and preserve their privacy. In Nigeria, there are hardly dedicated think-tanks that can accumulate the necessary stats AND most info on unequal pay are from informal channels.

BUT it is clear that the Nigerian society does not run short of prejudice against women! There is enough fuel -- prejudice to float all sorts of woman-hating vessels around. The prejudice is the main cause of the social injustice to women.

Timbuktou:
About fourteen years across five industries including one where I tried my hands at running a business.

Yet, you're so sure women are discriminated against? Pfft. Be careful what you peddle as 'fact'.

Just 5! Please name the industries.

texanomaly:
I tell you what...no matter where I go on NL Kay17 is mopping up the floor with someone. Gotta love it.


Btw op

I'm not sure Nigerian men know what feminism really is. Not that I'm a feminist.

Lmaooo!

Timbuktou:
Enough time and environment to know that any claims to pay discrepancy among the sexes is absolute bvllshit.

There you go.

What time is enough? 30yrs? 40? 50? I'd assume one single industry.

I have no personal experience other than NYSC.

Timbuktou:
My years in the labour market across industries and establishment should suffice. What evidence do you have that men aren't paid less than women in Nigeria?

One genuine story, of course. No Zeb Ejiro tins here.

How many years have you spend in the labour market and what industries have you worked in?

Whatever stories I have are hearsay.

Timbuktou:
First of all, we are talking about equal pay for the same job; in Nigeria, there's no disparity on that modality. None. Again, none.

What data did you rely on to get that conclusion.

Per equal opportunity, I'm interested in facts pointing out the opportunities men have that women don't. Since, according to you, NLM is neither formalised nor data heavy, I would like one story from any female who has been denied the opportunity to pursue their dreams or interests for the sake of their gender.

Just one story?

MrAnony1, HOW DO YOU FIND A METAPHYSICAL BEING?!

Timbuktou:
Calvary greetings, brother. I bring ye the good news that women do not earn less than men in Nigeria, and I dare any feminist to prove that I'm lying. If Coogar would be so kind to give you some pointers, the system these feminists use in arriving at this conclusion is fraudulent and evil.

I repeat, there is no establishment in Nigeria that pays a woman less than a male equal on the basis of gender. The only disparities that may arise are so because of the negotiating power/savvy of employees concerned. Which also translates to women earning more than some male colleagues of theirs. Certainly not a gender/sex issue.

Do women have equal opportunities? Equal pay? For equal opportunities no. For equal pay, Nigerian labour market is not that formalized nor data heavy, if there was such disparity, there isn't the data to find that. Neither can you say there is no disparity for the same reason.

The bigger irony in traditional marriages, is there is no check for abuse. Men (of whom, many are not natural leaders) are taught to love. Whatever lessons of love have to be artificial since you can neither teach nor command love.

Timbuktou:
1. The traditional marriage arrangement has been de-romanticised by the feminist machinery. After all, submission is evil, isn't it?

2. That's true of the traditional marriage arrangement, and feminism will see to it that that system is replaced by equalism.

3. More out of her nature and instincts than anything else. Look at Oprah and Hillary, they either got the top gun or didn't marry at all. Women, no matter how highly placed, want an even higher placed man to pair with/ submit to. That's the fact that you women somehow want us to ignore. Where a man wouldn't mind catering for an unemployed, no-money-earning woman, a woman would display no such magnanimity.

4. That's the system that works. Why should I be equal to someone who benefits from my resources and wouldn't be with me if I had lower status? Nearly all women marry for money, if their spouse was broke at the time of marriage, he had a potential to grow into money, it's a calculation women consciously make. The woman better be darn grateful for the perils the man faces to keep her safe, secure and comfortable.

5. Doesn't mean the system is flawed. Blame that on the practitioners, and make laws to preserve the system instead.

Sad you can't identify irony.

kaboninc:
Inferiority and superiority, when used between genders in some context can be derogatory.

On the issue of accessories, both genders can be accessories to each other.

The original idea of feminism is to champion the cause of equal opportunities and rights for women. These opportunities extends to both political and social roles. However, in a family, the idea of equal opportunities on who heads a family should not be questioned or debated. It is customary for a man to be the head of a family. That does not mean that in some situations or circumstances, a woman cannot a assume leadership role.

The labels superior and inferior are indeed derogatory. Since a woman can not govern the most basic unit of society, she is neither expected to Lord over larger social units. That kind of disqualifies her for lack of experience .

Although it is customary for the husband to take the alpha role but i think a marriage as a form of friendship and partnership with mutual respect and loyalty exchanged between is more healthy. Rather than have a man virtually lording over another person.

Another problem is how romanticized the traditional marriage arrangement has been made to look. The husband guards but governs the wife. The wife out of her deepseated lack of self and weakness, is graceful for the security and submits herself. But in reality, the governance by the man is not always pleasurable.

Since women are inferior and accessories to men, we cannot then expect them to take up top political and social roles.

UyiIredia:
What makes codes special is the fact that they represent something else, not their order. Why doesn't it make sense of a conscious God to have caused conscious beings ?

Regardless, the basic form of all codes is order. It is impossible to say that a code lacking order and coherence and then say it is a form of language.

The issue in contention is the cause of consciousness not just in humans.

KingMakaveli:
Everytime i have a convo with females i always feel like screaming. They never agree to logical reason, everything has to be emotional or shallow for their brains to understand. And they have so much pride, u can never correct them, and this is how i know till i die i will stay single.i will keep praying for them tho, so that God can help their minds develope and see things logically.

May be the ones you find yourself around.

ApexTitan:
I will repeat the point I have been trying to make again: In a marriage between a man and a woman the man is best suited to assume the leadership/dominant role. His very nature expects and demands that of him. If this notion is difficult to understand then perhaps the following statement should, upon careful consideration, make things clearer; in a marriage the woman is best equipped to play the child bearing role. This is not to say that this is the woman's only role but when question of child bearing is considered in a man/woman relationship this lot falls squarely on the woman. In the same vein questions of dominance/leadership fall squarely on the man. [In making this statement I am in no way implying that women are incapable of assuming any kind of leadership position, far from it, this assertion of male dominance is pertinent within the dynamics of inter-gender relations which in this case is marriage!

Rather than address what I said, you are repeating what I have already addressed!

You are still operating under a faulty premise. Men and women are not equal. They are complimentary. Just as the heart is not equal to the lungs and the eyes are not equal to the ears so are men not equal to women. By their very natures their existential experiences and functions are markedly different and yet complimentary as a whole.

As a man I am of the conviction that womanhood, true womanhood and not the caricatures that it is forced to assume today, is of the uttermost importance to humanity. A vitalising and ennobling influence as can be found nowhere else lies with the woman. I have no intentions of belittling her or stifling her potentials, I am only calling out a misconception that is the root of much that has gone wrong with our world today.

Since men and women are not equal but complimentary then either the man or the woman is superior to the other. And since you are a man, you are obviously pushing the agenda that men are superior

Now this 'true womanhood' you talk about is the inferior weak woman. You want women to conform to your own image of womanhood which is a weak individual. We can disagree, its valid to disagree about this. But I do not want my mother or daughters to end up as weak creatures.

I feel guilty asking all the questions. But it is an endeavor for better understanding. I think women are too prejudiced by predetermined basis of a woman. Women actually constrain themselves towards the definition of what a woman ought to be. I think all humans have an innate drive for freedom, whether the liberating freedom or self destructive freedom. Humans do not like to be restrained, to the point that we accept only justified authorities. Imagine the State decides to curb your freedoms to have a family or own property, the instinctive man/woman instantly revolts. But that is for new threats.

In some cases, the restraint preexists but it is when one is conscious of it and its unjustified nature, one rebels.

BRB.

TV01:
Generally, men are more analytical and strategic, women more intuitive and emotional - it's why women bang on about self-esteem (essentially a feeling), rather than character, which is what determines a man .

TV

Where did you get the above fact?

ApexTitan:
Of course not. To generalise like that would mean we conflate two different ideas. In the context of marriages the leadership role is best carried out by the man.

Thankfully you saw how ridiculous that generalization was. Even in any context a bad leader will demonstrate bad leadership skills and make bad decisions because leadership in marriage or a family or at the workplace rely on the same leadership skills. So men are not natural born leaders, instead it spreads wildly between men and women. Therefore a skilled leader in skirts can be as good a leader in trousers.

Since men and women are equals and both can exhibit leadership skills, why place barriers against women. Maybe you need to admit you do not understand the vibrancy of womenfolk and instead try fixing her in a predetermined box.

ApexTitan:
[Warning, this comment may be politically incorrect for some readers, ApexTitan leaves it here regardless]

I think that in relationships or unions such as marriage the dominant party should be the man. I say this because his gender, the masculine gender, is best equipped to assume the leadership role. A whole host, if not all, of masculine traits easily lend themselves to leadership.

I am however aware that in many cases, as is also encouraged by modern day liberal ideologies, the woman assumes the dominant role. This is unnatural and I think the campaigns encouraging this are misguided. In playing the dominant role a woman is acting out of step with the traits that she is blessed with by nature.

It is important to note that because the genders are inherently different the question of dominance is best viewed from the perspective of the unique traits that are assigned to the specific genders. This is not matter of rights and liberties as one may wrongly assume.

So all men are natural born leaders?

KingEbukasBlog:
I doubt you understood my explanation

You asked :
"Again how does a human being without metaphysical senses, experience a metaphysical being?!"

My response:
"The way Jesus made it possible for Thomas and others to see him . He'll do the same to you"

I think this is not difficult to understand though



First things first



Lol ... God is merciful . He is wise enough to intervene in any situation if need be.

And how do we differentiate the devil from Jesus?

KingEbukasBlog:
When Jesus appeared to Thomas :

John 20:24-29


Thomas needed an evidence and @ bolded was one . Yours might be different . It could be in a different way Q




The way Jesus made it possible for Thomas and others to see him . He'll do the same to you


Proverbs 15:8



Do the needful first - become a Christian ,humble yourself


"Unanswered prayers" is more spiritual --- I would have elucidated the above if you were a Christian

I doubt if you know the meaning of 'metaphysical'.

So I have to assume and have faith in the Bible and that whoever appears to me, is not the Devil but Jesus?!

So God does not answer the wicked farmers' prayers?

ApexTitan:
You, sir, speak nothing but the truth. In all human relationships, whether they be inter gender or of the same gender, in whatever form the relationships assume there is always a dominant party! It's funny how with all it's sophistry the equalist/feminist movement overlooks - or should we say denies? - this fundamental fact.

The idea that all parties in an inter-gender relationship are co-equals is a canard promoted and supported by people who fail to objectively study the dynamics of human relationships. In acting on this misguided notion of co-equality many western marriages and families, as you rightly pointed out, have wrought severe visceral damage on themselves. From the coarsening of the female gender to the effeminisation (sp?) of the male gender - all in the bid to "level the playing ground" and bring about equality, the damage is deep.

I think that it is pertinent that proponents of feminist and equalist movements in Nigeria observe the effects of the cause they champion in places where these ideologies have a stronghold. They will see that picture is anything but pretty.

Now if you think there is always a dominant party, do you also think the dominant party is always the man? If not always the man, why decline the dominant women their rights?