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Christianity EtcRe: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 9:21pm On May 18
The issue with "Defenders of Christianity" is the inability to separate spiritual context from physical context.

If I ask a physical question - I get an abstract response that doesn't relate to current societies.

How can 21st Century people work with biblical knowledge of ancient times that are too "supermanish" for a physical and secular world that has never seen any of the magic that took place in the biblical stories?







MaxInDHouse:
Read the Bible quotations first and see what Jesus said.

Moreover Adam was the richest of all men because everything on planet earth was handed over to him {Genesis 1:28} but Jesus is the richest of all Jehovah's Witnesses because God gave all things to him! Matthew 28:18; Colossians 1:15-16
Christianity EtcRe: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 9:10pm On May 18
What about if he grows it wisely?




MaxInDHouse:
Inheritance is not what makes people rich but hardwork!
If the son of Dangote inherit the wealth of his father but refused to work hard the riches will go!🙂
Christianity EtcRe: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 8:23pm On May 18
So who are these true servants and what types of riches are you talking about?





MaxInDHouse:
The riches mentioned in God's word has to do with spirituality knowing the will of God and doing it.

So only true servants of God are rich not people accumulating material possessions! Matthew 6:19-21; Luke 12:16-21
Christianity EtcRe: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 8:21pm On May 18
Let me put this way; JW member gets a windfall amount of millions either through inheritance or merit award...

Would it still be right for such member to be rich?



MaxInDHouse:
LOTTERY?🙂

Ọmọ we true Christians don't go into gambling it's robbing Peter to pay Paul so greed led unbelievers into such habits, what our God appreciates is HARDWORK! 🙂
Christianity EtcRe: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 8:13pm On May 18
Your first paragraph here suggests - "A child who should never ask his mother the history of the family". If man is discouraged from understanding his environment because his God doesn't want him to, then such man is created for the enslavement of God.

The headline of my article while structural sound, may seem heavier than what people would generally assume - and that's because the article is unconventional and requires unconventional thinking to decipher.

Whilst the devil is all you've described it in all manners of negativity, it doesn't isolate the general misconceptions person's have about certain people's behaviors - for example; a strict person referred to as a "witch" in common settings. The entire point you made on the devil's definition in your rebuttal, still affirms my submission of man's nature.

Laws which are created to discipline man, in some significant cases, can be a tool of oppression or unwarranted control just as practised in your faith which you so preserve. For God to create laws He flouts but expects his subordinate creatures to follow, is a white flag and even to those who promote His self-centered laws - it's white flag to them as well with a bronze medal.

Whosoever believes in "air", is not ENLIGHTENED; if I may - and such person revolves around a circle with gaps - for those gaps, shall lead "whoever" to clarity and freedom and away from religious politics and bondage - but unfortunately, they're clinically blind to see the gaps.








martinskelly:
The earth was created for man to inhabit, whatever that must have happened before man was created is non of man's business because the earth is the LORD's, and everything in it, the world, and all who live in it; for He founded it on the seas and established it on the waters.

The narrative embellishments of your headline completely outweigh the intended approach as to what the general populace will assume you meant, which in turn will bring about confusion on the mindset of some readers.

The word Devil as we know is the supreme spirit of evil and adversary of God in major religions, or generally a wicked or mischievous person.

In every constructive ordinances (Law), resolutions is paramount because having the effect of law made by men is synonymous to authenticating authority which in a formal settings is tantamount to, either the rules will be followed by the people that created it or it will be desicreated by the policies of which the rules was created to serve. (The tower of Babel comes to mind).

At the bolded, it depends on what constructive analysis your assessment stems from but every mere man will believe in air.
Christianity EtcRe: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 7:05pm On May 18
Therefore, a JW believer must be modest - yet Bible verses would say - "for man shall be blessed with riches"... as prosperity pastors often highlight.

So, what's your definition of "riches" in this context?




MaxInDHouse:
Holiness is pursued by those willing to please God while those pursuing selfish cravings has no business with our God! Leviticus 19:2; 1Peter 1:16
Christianity EtcRe: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 6:59pm On May 18
So if one (JW member) wins a lottery and becomes a millionaire - what would such member be advised to do with the money?




MaxInDHouse:
NO!
You don't need all the money in the world to render help so whatever you can do within your capability is welcome by our God.



Our God doesn't rule out hardwork {Ephesians 4:28} so our hardwork is to survive not stop up treasures {Matthew 6:19-21} thinking it will save us in the evil days! Matthew 12:16-21
Christianity EtcRe: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 5:44pm On May 18
In other words people should not help the needy if they have the capacity to?

Also what should be ones motive to work hard and become rich?


MaxInDHouse:
There is a difference between hardwork and desperation for wealth. Satan is watching each person to know our weaknesses {1Peter 5:8} what did Judas Iscariot said when a lady poured a costly perfume on Jesus' feet?

He said such a thing should be sold so that the proceeds could be used to help the poor. John 12:3-5

Lesson!
God feeds the birds of the air without your help so He knows what to do regarding the poor there is no need to hide under the pretext of helping the poor while you are in love with material riches! Luke 18:18-23
Christianity EtcRe: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 5:41pm On May 18
It's a true life story illustration you gave.

The "unconverted" converts you mentioned, had a choice to face reality and stop self-deceit !

When one knows a certain lifestyle described as "wise" is not sustainable, they drift.

One thing one should know is that, being "Holy" isn't sustainable but being "natural" is permanent.









MaxInDHouse:
It wasn't an illustration but real life story.
We see people the way God see them so when i said many Jehovah's Witnesses were once hardened criminals it doesn't mean all those who passed through our spiritual hospitals responded positively to treatment most of them actually returned to their former ways of life but then they have had a fair share of what God promised all humans which is opportunity to get help. So it's no longer God's fault or nature but the type of person they chose to be after having the chance to make a wise choice!🙂
Christianity EtcRe: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 5:27pm On May 18
Whatever man achieves on earth be it money, houses and cars is not meant to be taken out of the planet - these are earthly materials and not spiritual matters - so what is fundamentally wrong is discouraging acquisitions - for whatever you acquire is for your comfort here on earth - not in heaven - if your desire craves for more wealth - it is for your comfort.

What about one who acquires riches on earth and uses it to help others? Has one done wrong for chasing wealth to help mankind?



MaxInDHouse:
WRONG!
Read again:

For we have brought nothing into the world, and neither can we carry anything out. So, having food and clothing, we will be content with these things. But those who are determined to be rich fall into temptation and a snare and many senseless and harmful desires that plunge men into destruction and ruin. For the love of money is a root of all sorts of injurious things, and by reaching out for this love some have been led astray from the faith and have stabbed themselves all over with many pains. 1Timothy 6:7-10

Let your way of life be free of the love of money, while you are content with the present things. For he has said: “I will never leave you, and I will never abandon you.” Hebrew 13:5


It's not money but the love of money
Christianity EtcRe: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 5:05pm On May 18
Interesting illustration!

Certainly, people will learn from their mistakes because life is a teacher from a philosophical perspective.

The funny thing - some people often forget what they learn - NATURE.

When one doesn't know why he's in a rehab center - you said: the effort of all those who took him there is wasted - is synonymous to a "wasted time trying to convert a Supermarket Theif".




MaxInDHouse:
Such a person never knew why he went to rehab in the first place!

I grew up hearing my grandma calling my own senior sister "jóo-jóo" which in my language means "hot-hot" though my sister doesn't like it but i just love the way grandma always repeat it like a song. So i asked grandma the meaning and she told me that while my sister was about 11 months old she loves playing with candles but grandma always run to protect her from getting her fingers burn yet my sister will cry and cry because she was deprived of playing with candles so one day my dad told grandma to allow her play with the candles for them to see what exactly draws her attention to candles.

They later discovered that it's the light that's attracting her as it looks like a flower so they allowed her to touch the light and she burnt her first finger.

From that day the little girl started calling candles "jóo-jóo"

Do you think she still needs anyone to tell her not to play with candle lights?

Well if someone doesn't know why he's in the rehabilitation center the effort of all those who took him there is wasted!🙂
Christianity EtcRe: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 3:56pm On May 18
Your Bible chapter and verses simply mean - "Money is the root of all evils".

From a spiritual and philosophical angle, man must be content with "all" he has - but the nature of man is a "wild beast" - that if not controlled, would lead him/her to steal or sin generally.

For this is the reason complex man is tamed by laws. The beauty I want you to appreciate is not the "act" itself which is the "condition" you earlier mentioned - but the "engine" behind the act - is what you should appreciate.

A man's brain is fixed and molded. Even alcoholics that go to rehab, can return to alcoholics once again; even a born again Christian that gave his life to Christ, can return to a sinner once again.






MaxInDHouse:
This is why Jehovah's Witnesses have peace in our gathering while all others gather in fear! Isaiah 65:13-14🙂

Whoever is not satisfied with what he has doesn't qualify to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses:

For we have brought nothing into the world, and neither can we carry anything out. So, having food and clothing, we will be content with these things. But those who are determined to be rich fall into temptation and a snare and many senseless and harmful desires that plunge men into destruction and ruin. For the love of money is a root of all sorts of injurious things, and by reaching out for this love some have been led astray from the faith and have stabbed themselves all over with many pains. 1Timothy 6:7-10


Let your way of life be free of the love of money, while you are content with the present things. For he has said: “I will never leave you, and I will never abandon you.” Hebrew 13:5


That is how Judas Iscariot who was a sound Christian loose everything for not being one of Jehovah's Witnesses!🙂
Christianity EtcRe: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 3:35pm On May 18
I acknowledge your submission and observation.

While it's true that a lack of evidence doesn't necessarily mean "NO EVIDENCE" - it's largely about consolidating the "facts" with our limited understanding - what would a mere man literally believe in - "paper" or "air"?

The clear observation on the article's title is welcome - but the word usage serves a functional purpose. Humans in modern societies, certainly have a problem differentiating between "nature" and "sin" - so by associating the two words, it creates a unified understanding thereof.

Yes, there's an atom of morality in everyone - that is what we refer to as the "angels" and "demons" - which is believed to reside in each person. Situations in life decide which to switch to and which to provoke - it's human nature.

Free will which you have described as ENLIGHTENMENT is correct. Science introduced proper education to humans - in a bid to upgrade the human thinking and make humans work with reasoning rather than imagination.

WISDOM doesn't mean "no it all" - as you implied - and you also say it's application - be it accumulating knowledge or a willingness to learn - helps us solve problems - A FACTUAL point you've made - it's therefore the reason man has been "enlightened" as you noted, to make the world a better place - be it for the "world" at large or for "self" - for nature grants man the "will" to make a choice.




martinskelly:
There is one simple truth I always want to emphasize on; Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence.

My point to OP is, You could have changed your heading to "Worship Nature" instead of the "Worship Devil" headline.

One thing i know is that morality always stems from the heart whether you are a good or bad person, there is always an atom of morality embedded in each and everyone.

The world has being in existence way back before man was created, if you check when God created Adam, He gave him all instructions that a father needs to give to a son, told him what is evil and bad but HE never took away adams free will.

Man's free will is what is termed in today's world as ENLIGHTENMENT.

Wisdom is not found in having all the answers but in having an open heart to learning how to discern and apply accumulated knowledge to make sound judgments and navigate complex life situations.
Christianity EtcRe: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 3:03pm On May 18
You asked: How do you compare a pauper to RICH Adam?

ANS: By comparing a petty thief that stole tomatoes at a market - to a wealthy politician that stole billions of naira from a government's treasury.

You stated JW members are admired for not having security personnel follow them - why should security personnel follow you in the first place?

Now let me give you wisdom: "Man have insatiable wants" - man can never be fully satisfied - you must continue to buy food, clothing and provide shelter for yourself - even after retirement, fear will control you and you will still want more security for the future.

No matter how rich you are - if money doesn't make you ask for more - then it would be another desire that will.

Adam was rich as you quoted - but he wanted more - he wanted POWER!






MaxInDHouse:
This is where WISDOM comes in!

Many Jehovah's Witnesses were into all these criminal activities before they dedicated their lives to our God and changed completely.
The question is:
Were they arrested? NO!
Were they punished? NO!
So what changed old personality?
It's by reasoning with them using God's word not CCTV or police.
Today most law enforcement agents do wonder how thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses gather without a single security personnel watching over us.
Well the answer is simple:
We are walking by faith not by sight! 2Corinthians 5:7🙂


Obviously you don't understand the story of Adam and Eve so you need to be enlightened!
Adam is the RICHEST human on planet earth married to the most beautiful girl ever, he has the prospect of indirectly controlling the planet as the one who knew the names of all the creatures both great and small, he had perfect health and all the time needed since he doesn't have to think about time.
So what is the reason why he rebelled against his God and father?
He wanted to RULE over other creatures while he becomes Independent with no one to direct him.

God has warned him not to do that but since he wants to know whether it's possible for him to cease living God let him see the consequences of rebellion.

How do you compare a pauper to Adam?
It's like comparing Tinubu's son to an homeless, fatherless and hopeless child.
Ọmọ you are far away from wisdom!🙂
Christianity EtcRe: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 1:48pm On May 18
I understand the empathy in your analysis.

If you ask a NATURAL BEING why he stole - given the fact that you KNOW he would lie - it would be a fantastic way to release more bandits into the society.

If JW members were police officers, criminals would be glad to be arrested by you.

Your Tinubu’s son VS Poor man's analogy - shows a man's condition is to be blamed rather than the person himself - while this is empathetic - it doesn't address the true nature of man which you claim that Man "planted" in himself - and that nature is GREED.

That's why I mentioned earlier that - you can't change man's nature; you can only regulate it with constitutional laws and the enforcement agencies.

Even Adam and Eve, broke the law - and God didn't show mercy like a JW - he punished them accordingly.





MaxInDHouse:
You want to talk about the REAL world?
Think about what condition makes people do what is wrong not just the wrong they committed.
Tinubu's child will never steal from a supermarket because the father has all the money needed to buy whatever the child wants but when you catch a pauper and sentence the fatherless to prison how does that make your world real?🙂
Christianity EtcRe: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 1:10pm On May 18
Then you live in an ILLUSION!

You live a false life - but when you know you have an audience, you switch to "righteous".

What you perform in JW is "Theater Art" - all because of a Kingdom inheritance that even a Preacher doubts exists.

This why I propose originality.




MaxInDHouse:
The Bible stands as only school of thought established by God!🙂
Christianity EtcRe: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 12:58pm On May 18
Psychologically, your body language displayed in replies suggest "insincerity" which is typically referred to as LYING - a broken commandment law.

You're too human and Nigerian to do what you say you would do to a Supermarket Theif.

Subconsciously, you'll be MOST likely to call the police than let a criminal go with mere corrections.

I'd like to assume you said all that just for this debate - because no one in such a situation, would keep his/her job in that Supermarket after that day - and even worse, such person would be tagged an accomplice.

That definitely would tell you the reality of a natural world; not a superficial world you paint.




MaxInDHouse:
NO!
Our God doesn't judge irrationally.

There are two categories of unbelievers those who have not been convinced of the goodies about God's Kingdom and those who deliberately chose to be stubborn after knowing the good God's Kingdom will bring to inhabitants of planet earth.

So you see criminals only after they committed a crime but we investigate by knowing what exactly makes them steal.

Can you find Tinubu's son stealing in a supermarket?
That is to tell you your CCTV doesn't care about people for real!🙂
Christianity EtcRe: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 12:24pm On May 18
Then that will be a classic example of - "Go Supermarket Theif ! - for your sins are forgiven".

Yet - you preach your God will not spare unbelievers on the surface of this earth - and will destroy them.

You also said that man planted the "idea" of sin in his head - and that it's not of God's creation - yet Adam and Eve planted the idea of sin in their minds - and God didn't ask them "why they sinned" - he immediately punished them by throwing them out of Eden...

This is religious hypocrisy of the HIGHEST LEVEL - or maybe it's a case of different TV sets receiving different signals from the same CNN America - A.K.A (Confused Religion).





MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted should tell you that the CCTV is only useful for people seeking culprits not people looking for ways to help people change their way of thinking!🙂
Christianity EtcRe: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 12:18pm On May 18
Science is in no competition with any school of thought. It's main mission is to clarify things.

Your Grandma practiced both science and nature. Any one can work with things of the earth to create solutions - and that's what we call NATURAL SCIENCE.

Whilst we have basic understanding of science, there's an advanced science that requires more than seed planting - it requires highly technical experimentation.





MaxInDHouse:
Of course people claiming scientists wants to make themselves Gods over their neighbors but they failed.
Now you agreed that my grandma was a scientist too because she performed the experiment herself.
So what exactly has your so called scientists done that's different from what my grandma did?😂
Christianity EtcRe: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 10:54am On May 18
I got your "excuse" point correctly!

So, from your response below:

If you're a staff-member of that Supermarket, you would tell the other staff members and the management that you don't need to check the CCTV Camera of the Supermarket to detect the thief? - and you mean you will tell the management to find out the main reason why the accused person stole from the Supermarket instead?

And what would happen next?



MaxInDHouse:
OK you don't get my point.

We don't need to know the culprit rather what led him into such acts that is why your CCTV is useless to us!
Christianity EtcRe: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 10:39am On May 18
Farming is AGRICULTURAL SCIENCE.

If anyone plants a seed in the ground that is - NATURE.

If anyone studies how the seeds grow - that's - SCIENCE.

Religion has no business with science as it can't understand it; the same way Science has no business with God as it cannot study God.




MaxInDHouse:
So let's wait until they do before telling people to rate scientists above God's word.
My own grandma could do better than you so called scientists. She planted her own yam, tomatoes, pepper and palm trees then she CREATED pounded yam and soup that kept us growing up until now. So your scientists are nothing but fraudulent liars claiming what they are not!
Christianity EtcRe: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 9:54am On May 18
A fantastic bye-pass of question.

Your usage of a morality excuse doesn't answer the direct question.

Please re-answer the questions as if you were in a live situation:

>>>

"Spiritual people only double-guess and print them on papers as scriptural evidences.

You as a JW member won't believe any one is innocent in a supermarket (for example) until you see the CCTV - is that correct?

Or would you consult the Bible to reveal the culprits?"




MaxInDHouse:
According to the Bible whatever anyone does all are guilty until we go out and start talking about how to help the so called culprits so that they can have a change of heart using God's word.
Whoever focuses on what the criminal did but failed to figure out what made a normal human become so frustrated into becoming a criminal is also guilty of that crime because you are not ready to help!🙂
Christianity EtcRe: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 9:48am On May 18
No, simply because it will take millions of years to achieve that but certainly they will get a pre-result over a period of years.

Just as I answered your scientific question now in a direct manner - I expect you to answer the CCTV question in a direct manner in the next rebuttal I'll make.




MaxInDHouse:
You haven't answered my question.

Can any scientist experiment how their discoveries could bring about a living tiger out of the tiny-like tadpoles they make by themselves?

YES or NO?



Go ahead Sir!
Christianity EtcRe: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 8:14am On May 18
If you say "GOD" - then that's your best effort.

Now, to the question I say I'll ask you over and over again is in this former rebuttal below:

>>>

"Spiritual people only double-guess and print them on papers as scriptural evidences.

You as a JW member won't believe any one is innocent in a supermarket (for example) until you see the CCTV - is that correct?

Or would you consult the Bible to reveal the culprits?"






MaxInDHouse:
Simple: GOD!🙂

What exactly is your question about CCTV?🙂
Christianity EtcRe: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 8:08am On May 18
There have been series of genetic mutations and experiments conducted by scientists.

Reproductive specimens have been experimented on in labs to create alternative knowledge of how humans developed into beings.

The difference between the Bible's discoveries and Scientists' discoveries is = VERIFIED PROCESS.

That's why I asked you the CCTV question - which I will type out for you again in the next bubble.





MaxInDHouse:
Can any scientist experiment this thing from scratch so that he/she first create a tiny-like tadpoles organisms and make them develop into a living creature like a tiger?
Ọmọ there is no difference between what they taught you and what the Bible said regarding how life began on planet earth.
Nobody can experiment any of the two from scratch so why should i believe one above another?
The only reason that could make me believe one above another is when that one says what has not happened before and actualize it.
Scientists can't predict what they will discover that has never been seen or the process has never been experimented before but God's word did that!🙂
Christianity EtcRe: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 9:04pm On May 17
The process was taught in senior secondary school - do you remember?

If don't or were not taught - here's a brief overview answer:

Life began as a group of tiny-like tadpole organisms that developed in stages over a period of time on earth.

At every stage of development, life began to take various forms.

The last stage of full development led to the early-man period.

Overtime again, full development of humans began to go through refinement - where humans started changing from ape-like beings to human beings.

This process happened millions of years ago.

How this was discovered by scientists was through a process called "archeology" which is the discovery of artifacts and bones underneath sand in the ground - and these specimen were taken to a laboratory to provide the answer you now seek.




MaxInDHouse:
Can any scientist show me the process of how life began? smiley
Christianity EtcRe: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 8:43pm On May 17
I haven't changed the subject. The subject was thoroughly answered.

The person behind the foreknowledge of scientific inquiry from your perspective (Bible), can only be answered by you - for you are the Defender of the scriptures.

You have refused to answer the CCTV question. Please Answer.





MaxInDHouse:
Don't change the subject!🙂
Someone revealed to those ancient Bible writers what is known today as gravity, talked about the shape of the earth, water circle and also said earth is the only planet that is habitable thousands of years before scientists discovered all these things .

The question is:

Who is behind such foreknowledge even before scientists began making their own research?🙂
Christianity EtcRe: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 6:14pm On May 17
The reason I will place scientists above God is because they show "processes" as evidence of discoveries.

Spiritual people only double-guess and print them on papers as scriptural evidences.

You as a JW member won't believe any one is innocent in a supermarket (for example) until you see the CCTV - is that correct?

Or would you consult the Bible to reveal the culprits?




MaxInDHouse:
All these things has been WRITTEN in God's word (Bible) since thousands of years ago!

So how come you want to place your scientists above God's word?
Christianity EtcRe: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op):
The only things you've shown me as foretold is the Babylon story and scientific evidences - which are highly imaginative despite true life pictures of them.

"Show me the process, not the result" - says the Wise ones!

If you do "Mini mini MI Ni mo" - you can luckily guess an answer right.

About your evidences foretold - I would give you a typical illustration that weakens them:

We live in an audio-visual world where everything you hear must be backed with images. For example, If you "hear" someone talking, you are more likely to peep at who's talking just to "see" that person - that's the natural instinct of man.

Humans are wired not just to hear things but see things. If people keep hearing from a religionist, things they can't see, they are likely to lose trust in such religionist.

You say the Bible predicted Babylon's collapse and it came to past; you also say the Christianity discovered the elements and science of the universe that set the benchmark for other schools of thoughts - while these maybe true, there are also false prophesies that never came to past or are yet to come to past.

For example; Christianity never predicted moving vehicles, skyscraper developments, telephone connectivity etc. It's selective or better still, not robust enough.

The entire information of Christianity can be found all in one book (The Bible) with a thousand pages. Science on the other hand is robust with tens of books on various branches of science.

While I give credit to religion for discovering the "raw meat" - I give ultimate credit to science for "cooking the raw meat" for the party.

There's a popular song in Nigeria titled "Audio" - that depicts fake living - in this context, it depicts "Noise" without "Action".

The story of Jonah in the Shark's mouth is likely a classical "Audio" - this is why I say so using present day analysis:

"God instructed Jonah to go to a particular city to preach and he refused - and all of a sudden we hear a shark swallowed him and dumped him at the very city he didn't want to go"

While it maybe true he arrived the city involuntarily - there's no "visual" proof to show a shark took him there - neither is there "visual" proof that "God" instructed him - it could have been a Prophet mistaken for God who instructed him - also Jonah may have fallen into the water accidentally and swept away by it to the shores of that very city, but the event is being mistaken for a "shark".

The reporters of the Jonah story may have started the story from a casual conversation between two fellows over the incident and one of them (using typical human interactions) may have suggested to the other : "maybe it's a shark that swallowed him and landed him there - and the other fellow would report what that fellow told him to another fellow saying - "they said it's a shark that took him there" - and before you say Jack Robinson, the first-hand information would change and be misinterpreted - and a beloved writer would hear the altered version of the story and document it as the miracles of God.

There's no difference between how human beings interact in modern societies today and how humans interacted in biblical times.

Largely everything you've read in the bible or heard is a collection of truth, hearsays, imagination, guesses and personal biases.







MaxInDHouse:
You are making wrong assertions!

I'm not quoting the Bible to confirm the things i say the scriptures are for those following the thread who may like to know where it's written in the Bible.

As for you i give you what you can see with your own eyes as foretold in the Bible!
Christianity EtcRe: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 4:53pm On May 17
Fantastic questions!

The scientists discovered gravity, shape of earth and other discoveries mostly in the 16th and 17th century.

Questions answered.

Christianity is definitely older than these discoveries. One the other hand, you assert Christianity discovered the elements of the universe first - the question is how?










MaxInDHouse:
I asked you questions needing answers Sir!
Please when did the so called scientists discovered the force of gravity that the Bible spoke of thousands of years back?

When did so called scientists discover the shape of the earth?

When did so called scientists discover water circle?

When did so called scientists discover that there are many planets out there but only earth is habitable?

Please answer!🙂
Christianity EtcRe: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 12:54pm On May 17
It's good to know you find this hilarious.

As mentioned in my last rebuttal, religion is foundational knowledge of what we know.

Ancient people not necessarily Bible characters contributed to science.

Historical figures in ancient Europe like in the stories of Roman empire, Julius caeser, Merlin and Kings Arthur periods all deviced crude equipments to understand their world.

This was the beginning of science.

The biology, chemistry and physics are the buildings on that foundation - or the finished products of ancient discoveries.

So, from your submission - you clearly state how physically and spiritually inclined religion was.

Nevertheless, religion of today and yesterday has proven to more physical than spiritual.




MaxInDHouse:
This is really hilarious walahi talahi!😂

Please when did the so called scientists discovered the force of gravity that the Bible spoke of thousands of years back?

When did so called scientists discover the shape of the earth?

When did so called scientists discover water circle?

When did so called scientists discover that there are many planets out there but only earth is habitable?

Ọmọ the Bible is far far far ahead of your so called scientists in all of these!🙂
Christianity EtcRe: Why You Should Worship The Devil? by kayjordan(op): 12:39pm On May 17
These are referred to as COINCIDENCES - as you asked.

Religionists certainly do have brains, so do philosophers - they all contributed to the foundation of knowledge today.

It's fascinating also that you answer questions of beliefs with "beliefs".

When you're asked a question about your belief, you reply with a Bible verse evidence - whilst, I don't have a transcript of biblical times from a time machine, I would reply you with everyday people's experiences as my own evidence of what happened in the spiritual and biblical years.

The Bible in my opinion is a diary of many writers of experiences in ancient times.

Writers of the Bible - be them John, Saul, David etc... documented important physical events in Jerusalem, Israel and Egypt - they acted like news reporters of the ancient times.

In the ancient time, messengers of God were sent into towns and cities to spread God's messages - but some faced resistance from people in these towns and cities just as it's happening with today's evangelism.

Some messengers of God including Jesus, were likely called fake prophets back in the time and only a few listened to them - which is similar to today's pastors often called fake prophets.

Many writers and messengers in the bible, practiced observation of significant persons through one-on-one conversations and written descriptions of persons and events to preserve memories.

Every accurate story and misinterpreted story (rumors, hearsays) were told to these writers and documented.

The stories of Demons, Daniel in the Lions den and Jesus resurrection were all word of mouth narration of events largely overemphasized or misinterpreted through multiple-person dissemination. Nevertheless, writers in Biblical times documented them all.

The documentation of miracles in the bible such as Jonah in the Shark's mouth, Jesus multiplying bread and fish to Moses dividing the red sea - are metaphorical accounts of physically-inclined moments that took place - rather than actual supernatural events.

As a result of low-education in the Biblical days, people were gullible and all-believing. Rumors of miracles or events were unfiltered and disseminated throughout out cities - as similarly done in modern day media.

Over time, these rumors, miracle exaggerations and detailed accounts of Biblical experiences became beliefs and were archived in scrolls and passed down generations to the medieval times when scholars decided to put these historical pieces of information into a single book called the Bible.

The Bible then became the Google of yester- years (B.C & A.D) - and people began to meditate on it. This era (medieval period) was religiouly extreme to the point that some persons accused of witchcraft were stoned to death.

Overtime, enlightened persons wanted to convert a society of anarchy into a society of laws and this movement led to the scientific inquiry period.

Moving forward, many countries in the world, began to abolish many beliefs that were harmful to humans, thanks to the new education (science).

Society started progressing with modern age thinking and things that couldn't be seen nor explained, began becoming clearer to the people overtime.

In some modern and civilized countries today, religion is seen as "taking people 100 steps back in history". Science is providing these people with quick answers to solve immediate problems - unlike religion that tells story excuses and provides zero solutions to their current world problems.

Please note: The above is a personal opinion of the Bible creation, not verified history.




MaxInDHouse:
It's because you haven't known what was predicted (prophesied) in the Bible.🙂

God said He will use His laws to gather obedient and faithful people throughout the world under one umbrella {Isaiah 2:2-4} of course that may sound so cheap right? But then He said at that same time the world will be filled with racism and politics so that there will be killings here and there {Revelation 6:3-4} while His own worshipers will have love among themselves {John 13:34-35} and there will be false religions claiming they are worshipers of God everywhere {Matthew 7:15} but their failure to make peace reign among them will expose them! Matthew 7:16-18

Today a global group called Jehovah's Witnesses emerged and fit in to all these descriptions and there is no nation or race that is not part of this group just as the Bible foretold {Act 1:8} do you think all these things are coincidental?🙂

Let me shock you again.

In the same Bible God foretold that an ancient city called Babylon known for it's grand glory will be destroyed and it happened just as it was written but the most shocking part of this prophecy says that city will remain in ruins after its demolition {Isaiah 13:19-20} and that is exactly what has happened till today!

Do you think that was a coincidence?🙂

Ọmọ you may have decided in your own heart never to allow religion get control over your life but don't think those sticking to religions have no brain o!😂

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