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This is how it's out-ruled God:

In order of priority >

1. The Universe
2. Religion
3. Science


The Universe is neutral - two Schools of Thoughts "Religion" and "Science" are claiming Universe (Dragging it).

That's where the real problem is.

JW Organization printed a leaflet that àsked a question: "Where are life's biggest questions found- Science, Philosophy or Religion?

In my educated opinion, spirituality have no capacity to study the Universe or the Earth - only Science can.

You don't use voodoo to drill oil out of rocks; you use scientific methods.

So, progression of knowledge started in the religious era (ancient time) otherwise known as the backward era - and progressed into medieval times when people began experiencing clashes of knowledge (ReligionVsScience).

Thereafter, groups of elites founded the idea of reliance on Science, therefore birthing science after religion to enlighten their minds to think and not believe everything they see or hear.

Many followed Science afterwards, some remained comfortable with religion.

The moral code here is: "IT NOT THE AGE OR HOW FAR BUT HOW WELL".

Science rules the world now - religion has been kept in the "old skool" basket in some countries today.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ it's not mature but childish talks.

People have been living on this planet for thousands of years and it's life's experience that's increasing as they continue to exist on the planet a mistake made by one person becomes a lesson to others coming after him.

So life continues to improve just as God foretold in His word:

Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth. Genesis 1:28

God said humans should fill the planet and subdue it in other words make good use of whatever you find on it.

So how has their discoveries out ruled timeless informations from God?🙂

What exactly is happening today that cannot be easily predicted by anyone?

The spiritual gospels are brainwashing.....almost no different from politics.

One profound reason why religion survived to this date is because - there was no internet in ancient times to verify religious hypnotisation.

Today, it's too late to do that, the damage had been done.

Everybody blindly believes in one unseen God or the other.

MaxInDHouse:
Miracles aren't the evidence why we believe in Jesus rather what he foretold that is happening today is what makes us believe in him!🙂

This is a mature piece!

If it's not, then what realm of platform are you using to communicate with me now?

What connection does scriptures of 1,000 years have with scientific evidences?

Even if science is 10 years old - it's what's helping your current life as we speak...

MaxInDHouse:
This is really childish!🙂
So after thousands of years of trial and error on the part of humans trying to make life easier that is what you want to put above God's word where words written thousands of years ago are undergoing fulfilment today shey?🙂

Guy there is no evidence in what you just said. There were times on this planet when people used stones tied to a plank to strike one another in battle before they graduated to bows and arrows before they graduated to swords before they graduated to guns.

No sincere person can compare that to words written thousands of years ago that we are now discovering what the writers penned down today!🙂

Please list out "FIVE" miracles Jesus performed in the Bible and to whom he performed them for?

MaxInDHouse:
I have shown you evidence but you kept demanding something else.

This is what Jesus said will serve as EVIDENCE of his existence:


You will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” ‭Acts 1:8 NIV‬


If anyone wants to see the evidence that Jesus really exists all he needs to look out for are people from all the nations of the earth PRACTICING what Jesus taught them. Of course if Jesus never existed people from different countries throughout the world can't be obedient for real to the extent of being peace loving people just as Jesus commanded nah! Matthew 5:43-48🙂

Basically, logic fails where "practical avoidance" is achieved - ACKNOWLEDGED!

In the best of my knowledge, the car that moves, the aeroplanes that flies and the phones that call others - are the physical "living" evidences of Science.

Believers and Unbelievers go the higher-institutions to study them - after study, they practicalise them.

If Science failed - students will be the first to notice.

Spirituality on the other hand, is "make belief" - people just believe in it out of fear or cultural reasons - not because of what they've personally experienced with it - but rather what they've been told about it.

MaxInDHouse:
WRONG!
There are things we SEE but when you are making demands on what you want to see that is where your so called "logic" fails.

Science is not evidence based but what you have been told to present as evidence if i should ask you questions regarding what you have never experiment before no scientist can provide any evidence!🙂

In my opinion, Jesus was just an ordinary man in Israel who was famous for walking the streets and markets - and some over-joyous writers decide to paint a supernatural picture of him when he was just an ordinary mortal man in the Bible.

You can educate me if I'm wrong - show me the evidence?

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ you just want to deceive yourself!🙂

If you don't believe Jesus then why not ask for what you can see as evidence?

An item of yours went missing in a room - and you and your friend are present in that room - and you asked your friend If he took your item - and he says no! - would you believe him?

Science is evidence-based - wherever it lacks knowledge, it fills with educated assumptions.

Religion on the other hand is - "believe in the evidence of things not seen".

Of course, a good Christian would follow religion's part - but won't replicate that same belief when doubting a fellow friend whom he has accused of stealing his item from his room.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus said:


“A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah". ‭Matthew 12:39 NIV‬


So is there no miracles today?

Of course there is but you can't demand or set rules for the true God nobody in the Bible did such.

Therefore you need to humbly ask for the evidence we have not you setting the standard just as the science you claim you trust can't be told what we want to see rather it's what he chose to display that you can see.

If i want to make demands from any scientist regarding their so called logic they can't fulfill it rather it's only what they know they can display!🙂

What do I think?

I think Jesus Christ and righteousness don't exist and never existed.

These are a just softwares for earthly pawns to follow.

"Avoidance" in religious questioning is a sign of weakness.

So, your imagination that is "so" difficult to prove can't correlate with a physical evidence (Earth).

MaxInDHouse:
If you feel the Bible tells many stories that aren't realistic then what do you think about Jesus Christ and righteous man because both are found only in the same Bible that you claim is unrealistic?🙂

Your logical style of asking me to ask Biblical questions rather than logical questions, might just be a way for you to avoid the unanswerable - don't you think?

The blunt truth is - the Bible is a book of scriptures that tell many stories that aren't even realistic in modern times.

It's 100x times easier to hide under abstract concepts because no one can prove nor disprove them.

That's why my article was created - to differentiate between imagination and realism.

In our everyday lives on "your" planet, we work with things we can see and touch.

Our daily interactions are based on facts - you won't believe a fellow man if you don't see hard facts - but you would believe a pastor if he's dreaming.

The JW members are being promised delayed gratification because it's the CHEAPEST WAY OUT!

Ask for evidence from a Christian - and you will get nothing in return.

Bible scriptures travelled from 1,000 years ago to present day - but no miracle quoted in the Bible followed.

If believers are asked for a miracle - they will say - "only the deserving will see God's miracle" - CLASSIC AVOIDANCE!

The question for you:

Are you a righteous man like Jesus Christ of Nazareth - for believers are many, "few" are chosen?

MaxInDHouse:
You have a right to disbelieve the Bible and we have the right to believe it but if you want to ask questions regarding what the Bible says please go straight to your question because we are fully convinced with living evidence of what we believe!

I didn't say Jesus is the oldest Jehovah's Witness rather what i said is he is the first and foremost Witness of Jehovah.
There is a difference between a founder and oldest member of a group nah!🙂

Welcome back @ MaxInDHouse


This is what I call - TACTICAL MANIPULATION of people's minds.

You mentioned an "alleged" Jesus Christ is the oldest JW member - yet he has no physical address anywhere in the world.

Frankly speaking - "Hope" and "Resurrection" are abstract - the earth is physical. By claiming "hope" and "resurrection" as a "delayed" staying alive on earth - is an ineffective defense of JW's belief.

Your belief is like wishing for the "Yellow Sun to Shine at Night".

Logical question: If a JW believer dies, and rots physically in the grave - how can he resurrect physically the same way he died?

Also, If the believers resurrect and recapture their planet-earth from unbelievers, would they appear as skeletons or zombies?

Just factual questions#

MaxInDHouse:
Do you still remember the first Jehovah's Witness?
Well his name is Jesus Christ. When he lived on this planet he gave us the hope of everlasting life by resurrecting on the third day after his execution but how many years did Jesus spend on planet earth?
As in how old was Jesus when he was killed?
For your information Jesus was killed at 33½ years!
So if the first Jehovah's Witness lived for just 33½ years as human on planet earth and resurrected three days later that is what gives us a sure hope that all our brothers from Abel till today will be resurrected back to life no matter how old they died in this system of things.
This is what Job said regarding what you are asking:

O that in the Grave you would conceal me, That you would hide me until your anger passes by, That you would set a time limit for me and remember me! If a man dies, can he live again? I will wait all the days of my compulsory service Until my relief comes. You will call, and I will answer you. You will long for the work of your hands. Job 14:13-15

So my guy what you missed is the hope of a resurrection which Jesus and all our brothers in ancient times believe! John 5:28-29; 11:23-24; Act 24:15

Ọmọ it's not how old but a sure hope of RESURRECTION back to life!🙂

Very, very interesting!

The reason, why I asked the question of JW members life span - is to clarify your JW's mission.

But you've given a scientific explanation - stating why humans die - and you further stated the lesser nourishing foods in present times compared to ancient times - and you clarified the sins of man which caused this scientific change in modern day foods - obviously, this shows your belief is quite scientific and physically inclined.

Though the JW Organization sounds spiritual, yet they are also scientific.

The Bible chapter and verses "Revelation 21:3-5" which you pasted - promises "everlasting life" on a physical earth (Destination) for believers - and yet these believer will die as a result of your scientific explanation - and become lifeless on a planet earth that promised "peaceful living" and "coexistence"...

Is it correct to say, the JW Organization is "dreaming" or "speaking in parables"?

Since no human can live above 200 years - the "Revelation 21:3-5" Chapter and verses you pasted - clearly shows that the promise of the "everlasting life" for your believers on planet earth is "unrealistic" and your mission is therefore, defeated by your "own" scientific explanation".

The above Bible Chapter and verses (Revelation 21:3-5) that you pasted, sounds more "realistic" with other Christian denominations that preach "everlasting life" for their believers in a place beyond planet earth.

Therefore, what the JW Organization preaches in the fairest opinion is - RELIGIOUS FRAUD.

If the JW "Hospital" promises the "everlasting life" on a planet earth (The destination) that is temporary by nature - shouldn't one be better off, aligning with a Catholic "Hospital" or a Pentecostal "Hospital" that assures them an eternal life in a place beyond planet earth (temporary place), even if it's an imaginary world...

Since no "humans" (believers & unbelievers) can live long on earth - then it's practically impossible for "earth" to be an "eternity destination" for believers.

The "everlasting life" on earth that JW members make sacrifices for today is - ridiculous and "unachievable".

If you still think it's "achievable", simply because God promises to reverse the curse - then the biological question is:

"How long will JW members live on earth in modern times to "meet up" with the time the "curse" will be broken"?

The above question may be best answered by revealing the age of the oldest JW member in the world - for us to see if he will meet up with the "eternity period" right here on planet earth (The JW's Eternal Destination).

MaxInDHouse:
Please may i know the reason why you asked this question?
Well sickness, oldage and death spread to all humans whether they worship the true God or not {Romans 5:12} so JWs also grow old and die the same way like all other humans. The glory of God which should have kept Adam and Eve alive forever is no longer in humans. Romans 3:23


Wow!🙂
Why did you think someone could lie just to support what is not real?
Are you paying me for the information?
Well this is the GOOD NEWS about God's Kingdom. Act 5:42

I know you are hearing it for the first time ever that's why it sounds so strange to you.

Now you know why the Bible said:

With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.” And the One seated on the throne said: “Look! I am making all things new.” Also he says: “Write, for these words are faithful and true.” Revelation 21:3-5

So my guy i'm not lying it's what God told His servant to pen down as promises from the FAITHFUL and ONLY TRUE GOD! 🙂

Very, very interesting!

I like the honesty of your scientific analysis.

I'll address the "Revelation 21:3-4" chapter and verses you pasted in the next bubble.

MaxInDHouse:
This question needs logical reasoning to get the answer.
After God created Adam and Eve their death came as consequence of rebellion {Genesis 2:17} not something natural so oldage, sickness and death all came due to the curse Adam got. Genesis 3:17-19

Note also that the type of fruits on the planet back then were really nourishing that people who lived then spent 900, 800, 700 years. Genesis 5:5-32

Gradual decline in age range is because good food on the planet keeps disappearing as the ground gets drier and drier. Genesis 3:17-18
Before then there were morning dews which always makes the ground to be wet but after the curse the dew stopped {Genesis 3:17} for thousands of years so all the good vegetations and fruits keeping people strong vanish and never grew again and until the time of Noah the ground keeps drying away. Genesis 8:21-22

Note that nobody lives as long as Noah's generation after the flood.

WHY?

Because despite the curse the remaining vegetations and foods that were growing then kept them stronger and healthier than ever but afterwards generations that followed them only lived lesser than 200 years and the decline has continued till today. Genesis 25:7-8

So when God bless the earth and those living on it again {Psalms 67:6-7} He promised to return all those vegetations that people were eating before Noah's generation {Revelation 22:1} then oldage will no longer be {Job 33:25} neither will there be death {Revelation 21:3-4} rather we will live forever! Romans 6:23 🙂

Now this is the most interesting part of the argument!

If all the peace and reward you've mentioned is PHYSICAL as asserted by you - the next question is:

WHO IS/ARE THE OLDEST JW MEMBERS RIGHT NOW?

Kindly state the current highest ages of your members in the most transparent way possible.

*Remember thou shall not lie*

MaxInDHouse:
You aren't asking questions based on the spiritual but physical as in what you can see in progress so i'm talking about the PHYSICAL!

I've told you to focus only on Jehovah's Witnesses when talking about Christians where God created for humans is planet earth not heaven! Psalms 115:16

The logical question: When God's Kingdom starts ruling , will JW members return to youthfulness physically or spiritually?

Remember they're two different thing's.

MaxInDHouse:
God!
So when rebellion is no more God will control all the forces of nature for our good.


Except they are JWs nursing the idea of killing those depriving them of good governance won't disappear.


The world is filled with sick people how many know what religion supposed to achieve among adherents?
Even the JWs are people from all these false religions who has been convinced regarding what is their real problem.


When God's Kingdom starts ruling there won't be aging anymore rather we will all return to youthful vigor! Job 33:25

It's good as you've mentioned persons with "superpowers" that went to hell and back - and that they were not dreaming.

If I may ask: What's the difference between "Going to Hell & Back" - and "Dreaming" ?

That Hell you say people experience - probably looks and feels like a virtual reality of fuzzy pictures being mistaken for after life.

In your case, the fact is - psychologically, the hell you're currently experiencing in your home is making you imagine it in a higher-definition.

Ken4Christ:
Jonah's soul went to hell. He narrated his experience there in chapter 2. He wasn’t dreaming.

Our Lord Jesus went to hell on our behalf. It wasn't a dream. It was in hell he collected the keys of hell and death from the devil- Revelation 1:18

Hell is more real than your living home. Don't get there before you believe it exist because it will be too late then.

I'd like you to make things clear for me and other readers - are you writing in spiritual terms or physical terms?

You say - "Our God promised us EVERLASTING LIFE" - do you mean in the spiritual sense or physical sense?

The Christians retirement plan is in Heaven.

MaxInDHouse:
Today Jehovah's Witnesses are moving to all the corners of the earth with our message and we are reporting back to our headquarters where we haven't reached Jesus said it's when we reach all the places inhabited by humans! Matthew 28:19-20


Our God promised us EVERLASTING LIFE! Psalms 37:29; John 3:16



God created earth for human habitation not moon Sir! Genesis 1:26-28🙂


As God's children we supposed to live forever without dying! Revelation 21:3-4

Don't mistake earth for people.

You claim people are in control of their behaviors - so who is in control of the Earth's natural disasters?

Let's assume you're correct that religionists killing themselves over politics and racism need a cure - what about the peaceful Arabs, Indians, Africans and Americans doing good things - aren't they "cured" already?

Why is the JW so under-populated (9million) compared to the Catholic Church? - why are their hospitals (Catholic) so full compared to yours?


A BIG QUESTION: If God's kingdom on earth starts to rule, how old would you be by then?

MaxInDHouse:
It's not God that is ruling the planet nah!😟
It's like calling Peter Obi or Abubakar Atiku to come and solve a problem when there is a sitting president in power. So it's when God's Kingdom starts ruling that all those things will stop!


You don't know the symptoms that's why you don't know who are getting cured. I'm talking about religionists killing themselves over politics and racism. Ọmọ only Jehovah's Witnesses have the cure!🙂


My guy we don't pray like Churchians so if you don't know what we believe you can't know what we pray for!🙂

I'm lost - what's the "most distant part of the earth" - is that heaven in parables or earth still?

Please explain the "distant Part".


The scriptural analysis you give seems not to have "eternity" in its message, yet the believers will enjoy peace on a temporary earth...


Would the enjoyment be for life?

Would the enjoyment be on the moon?

Would JW members be immortal to finally enjoy all they've labored for?

Where's their eternity?


Please make it clear!

MaxInDHouse:
According to the Bible it will begin when the Jehovah's Witnesses have reached the most distant part of the earth {Act 1:8 compare to Matthew 24:14} then Jesus will come down with his warrior angels {Matthew 25:31 compare to Revelation 19:11-16} they will slaughter anyone who refused to obey what Jesus commanded on this planet! Luke 17:37


God's word said no single evildoer will be left that day in fact we will look out for them and none will be found! Psalms 37:10


How will you feel if you lost something really valuable only to get on the radio and tv stations announcements asking for the owner of the valuables?

How will you feel when you and your spouse can walk anywhere you want at anytime without the fear of hoodlums or robbers?

How will you feel when you walk about in the jungle and no animals attack you or your loved ones?

Ọmọ Paradise will come whether Satan wants it or not and obedient mankind will enjoy everlasting peace! Isaiah 32:17🙂

Okay?! - why do the islands in the Caribbeans still experience water disasters? - why does Japan still experience earthquakes?

Except if you are speaking in parables - one needs to understand what you mean by "there were no disaster of any kind".

Now, many religions are actually getting "cure" for their sicknesses in their own "hospitals" - if they weren't, they would have called your General Overseer by now - including all those speaking well of JW.

Lastly, out of curiosity - when all evil is wiped out, what would the JW be praying for when there are no principalities to rebuke anymore?

MaxInDHouse:
Exactly what the Bible teaches but then after God worked on the planet it became habitable and there were no disaster of any kind.



OK if you wish to know God Himself founded the true religion for a purpose:
To gather all obedient descendants of Adam and Eve under one umbrella and teach them how they can get the best treatment to cure the evil implanted in mankind which is POLITICS (the desire to dominate fellow intelligent beings)
But the idea of preference is deceitful because only the true religion can cure human form that evil trait false religions can't that's why any sincere individual need to find the true religion it's like seeing different hospitals all claiming they are the best while only one is curing its patients.
Will you go to the hospitals that failed to cure their patients?🙂


If all the inhabitants of planet earth are converted to JW then we don't need large buildings anymore all we need is little groups of two to three families in a big apartment after all everyone will love to welcome their brothers and sisters in Christ so if we gather in brother A's apartment today we can go to brother B's apartment tomorrow!🙂

Jesus Christ is the first Jehovah's Witness - acknowledged.

The JW belief system is like an "investment" with no "return".

When you aim to remove evil and unbelievers from the earth you call home - the questions you should ask are:

"When will the removals begin?"

"How long will the removals take?"

"Will one still be alive when all evildoers have been finally removed for peace to reign?"

"Will one even benefit from the peaceful earth afterwards?"


These questions should help you consider if the fight is worth it, or if you should just be real with your true nature.

MaxInDHouse:
According to the Bible Jesus is the first Jehovah's Witness ever {Revelation 1:5} the rest are his brothers who love doing what pleases our heavenly father just like Jesus. Hebrews 12:1
So Jesus himself is the foundation of that religion: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!


There can never be any disaster as God promised to control all the forces of nature. Things went wrong after God CURSED the earth due to the rebellion in Eden {Genesis 3:17} but all evildoers will removed from our planet home {Psalms 37:9-11} then God our God will bless the earth and all those living on it! Psalms 67:6-7
In fact our God promised that nothing bad will come from nature again so the thought of natural disaster will vanish forever! Revelation 21:3-5

Whilst my submission on the age difference between "Religion" and "Earth" (Natural disasters) is intuitive - here is a text evidence as requested:


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"AI Overview
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The Earth is billions of years older than human religion. Scientific evidence places the Earth's age at approximately to billion years old, while human religious practices are estimated to be tens of thousands of years old, with evidence of early spiritual behavior dating back to around BCE.

LeTourneau University
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According to research, Religion have many founders including Jesus Christ who founded Christianity.

The true religion can be "many" hospitals - as people will always have preferences (choices).

Also look at it demographically: If all Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Pagans, Idol worshipers in the entire world converted to JW - how "much" people would the JW Church buildings be able to accommodate?

MaxInDHouse:
Who is the founder of religion and which religion since we know today that there are countless religions?


Do you have any written document to back this up?


The true religion is not by force so you can opt out anytime you choose to that is why the word of our God says:


Who may ascend the mountain of the Lord? Who may stand in his holy place? The one who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not trust in an idol or swear by a false god. ‭Psalms 24:3-4 NIV‬
No matter how bad a person could be our God doesn't give up on anyone as long as the person is willing to get help for a change. So the true religion is like an hospital where sick people willingly goes to get treatment and only those who wants to continue living adhere to doctor's prescriptions.
So if anyone feels he doesn't want to be healed of his bad habits no one can force that on the person but he can't continue standing on the mountain of the true God! 1Corinthans 5:12-13🙂

The Kindom of Limbo knows @Dtruthspeaker very well - we've heard of him...

He washes cars of Bats in the Burning Furnace and mans the Generator house during night shift.

orisa37:
Satanic directives. Ignore it.

Hmm!

The Devil loves righteous people .

That's why people run to the churches for refuge only to pray for more devils in their lives.

orisa37:
TAKE YOUR FAITH AND HOPE IN RIGHTEOUSNESS VERY SERIOUSLY AND THE DEVIL WILL ALWAYS WORSHIP YOU.

As I mentioned earlier, evil existed long before religion.

The reason I engaged you on the Bible scriptures was to find out your truth and hypocrisy - I don't believe in the word of the Bible personally.

'JW can't be as old as Jesus Christ...

'Religion is not 1million years old either...

So, what exactly existed one billion years ago or one "million" years ago? - dumb people! (early man) and dinosaurs (Maybe).

Now, I want to perform a surgery on this argument:

*Let's remove our "biases".
*Let's remove "humans".

The Earth & Universe is left (no animals, no humans).


Now let's argue:

If there's a storm, earthquake, tsunami or hurricane on earth - "WHO" do we hold responsible for these natural disasters of the earth?


Now, let's return "Humans" + "Animals" back into the equation:

If there are animals and humans on planet earth (believers & unbelievers), how will they live in peace amid natural disasters?

If you answer my question with: "BECAUSE GOD WANTS TO USE THE EARTH TO FLUSH OUT UNBELIEVERS" - then that leads to a scientific question I will ask you: - "How did the seven continents, mountains and rocks get formed? - you may reply like a typical Christian - "BY ALMIGHTY GOD'S HANDS".

Note: Whatever that is responsible for the shape of the earth and it's features - is also responsible for the natural disasters disturbing the peace of God's inhabitants.

Natural disasters and the events of the entire universe are much "older" than religion that just arrived yesterday.

So, if people don't create war, then the earth itself will.

MaxInDHouse:
NO! I disagree with your illustration.

My hart or cap doesn't in any way affect my neighbor but my religion does!
A Muslim will kill a Muslim because of politics or nationalism, Catholics, Deeperlife, RCCG, MFM, Chosen name the religion will do exactly the same thing because their religious leaders taught them that human governments can make their life better so when it comes to choosing a human leader all these religions gets involved.

That is what leads them into hating and killing themselves even though they claim worshipers of the same God!🙂

I read alot of your Church's leaflets and I find them interesting.

Although, I haven't verified all what you've said about JW's practises - but I would still ask you more questions about them.

The vital point here is - the world is NOT suppose to be a "pre-programmed" world of peace and love.

The world you see is a - CHANCE.

"SEE AS YOU COME".

The racism, war and hatred you are talking about is a foundation of RELIGION.

Greedy people created RELIGION, Wicked people created RELIGION.

Centuries ago, when man faced grave danger, man decided to create a weapon for himself - and that weapon is RELIGION.

Every good thing you are enjoying in this world was built on BAD FOUNDATION.

At some point, someone would give his life during war for peace in his country......

Persons may die on their way to the top of Mount Everest or even to the moon just to bring back home knowledge.....

Someone may sacrifice his life for a major bridge or national project to be constructed....

The peace you seek doesn't exist. NO RELIGION, NO SCHOOL OF THOUGHT can change that - simply because - no matter the group you follow, YOUR TRUE CHARACTER will stand you out from the rest in that very group.

The JW Organization is no different from the above mentioned.

MaxInDHouse:
Individuals and religions are two different things. When people gather for worship but failed to cohabit peacefully among themselves then that religion is NOT GOOD.
To illustrate it's the chef doing the cooking that determines a good meal not the ingredients. The same applies to religion when the SPIRIT controlling the worshipers is not the true God they will fail to produce what is good collectively {Matthew 7:16-18} even though there are nice individuals among them. Galatians 5:22-23


This shows you haven't been following this discussion with keen interest. No right thinking human wants to be a racist but politics gives birth to racism whether you like it or not. Take for instance back in 2023 Nigerians wanted to vote for another leader anyone who feels the need for a better leader won't know when he or she is carried away with racism and politics it's either you vote/support one candidate and oppositions see you as a racist (when your preferred candidate comes from your tribe) or enemy of the nation (when your preferred candidate is not from your tribe)
So no matter how good you may be once your religion allows members to go into politics you will have serious issues with your neighbor or fellow worshiper whose preferred candidate differ from yours!🙂


It's pointless sticking to a rifle without a bullet so if i realize my present religion is not achieving the needful there is no reason to continue.
Being Righteous means doing better than others in benefitting oneself and neighbors so surely i am a righteous man if we are to go by that criteria! Mark 12:31

This is a classic case of:

JOHN: "I don't like hats, they don't fit me. I prefer caps.

MARK: "Well, I do! They fit me really well. Caps are for little kids.


If Mark imposes his "wish" on John, he is self-centered and a dictator.


Do you agree?

MaxInDHouse:
Hmmm my guy i told you that i was once a Muslim and i really believe in logical reasoning but when i met the true Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) i surrendered to indomitable true! John 8:32🙂

You have an "individualistic opinion" rather than a collective view on religions.

I earlier mentioned other good religions - but you remain glued to your religion and denomination.

Whether religious people mix religion with politics or religion with racism - it doesn't rule out the fact that there are good people amongst them - the bad ones are the racists.

If you're given a ticket to explore good religions just as you pivoted from Islam to Christianity, would you accept it?

Also - are you a righteous man?

MaxInDHouse:
There is just one reason why no religion can have REAL peaceful and loving people i believe that should be your next question!🙂

I told you earlier that evil started when some intelligent creatures decided to dominate their fellow humans.

Now let us use logical reasoning to help us find if it's possible for any other religion to have people who are truly peaceful and loving.

Humans who wants to dominate other humans are called "POLITICIANS" and due to fear of being subjects to bad rulers other religions either participate fully or partially. What i mean is that members of these religions join in the struggle for public offices (full participation) or vote or support one candidate over another (partial participation) this is the cause of WARS throughout the world today leading people into hating and killing their neighbors and in extension their fellow worshipers from other countries or tribes.

We Jehovah's Witnesses (true Christians) only believe in the government of God (God's Kingdom) where Jesus will reign as king so we don't participate at all in politics that is what squashed racism in our midst while all other religions are blinded by politics and racism. 2Corinthians 4:4

Well since you believe in logic please do you still think there can be real peaceful and loving people when these religions are into of politics and racism?🤔

The peace you ask for - others already have it with or without your religion.

It's like asking if one should use a "broom" or a "long brush" to sweep a room - really it doesn't matter what's used as long as it ensures a clean room.

So why is Christianity selfish?

MaxInDHouse:
OK i can see you have a feeling that it's possible to find peaceful and loving people who are not true Christians but i doubt it.

Of course our God will not destroy such ones but it's impossible to find such ones.

Your question sounds like that of one of God's ancient friends named Abraham. God told him that He is going to destroy two cities and in one of these two Abraham's cousin (Lot) lives there with his family.

So Abraham started asking whether God will destroy the cities if 50 righteous people are found there and God said no, Abraham continued bargaining until he asked if 10 could be found God still said He will not destroy the cities for the sake of 10 righteous people but at the end only tree were found which are Lot and his two daughters.

So my guy what the Bible God wants is a peaceful planet earth where everyone will be happy therefore if a person can meet up with that criteria without being one of His worshipers God will not destroy such a person but i doubt if such is possible!🙂

Heaven is God and His Spirit Son's Abode - acknowledged!

What I'm trying to understand - is your peace and love defense.

You say: "one can never find a peace and loving person other than a Christian" - this comes off as a "bragging right" than an honest audit of other religions.

This is MARKETING AND DEMARKETING!

Now, you asked me to mention one person who is truly peaceful and loving if I know any -

Here they are (As groups):

1. Muslims: Just as divided as Christians are, so are Muslims. The better version of Muslims are peaceful and accommodating of other religions - for example; some Yoruba-Muslims.


2. Buddhists: This group of worshipers are helpful in society and peaceful. In Nigeria, they are active members of the Rotary Club and they use this platform to help communities.


3. Humanists: As mentioned before, are a group of non-believers who don't believe in a God but believe in helping planet earth - by doing so, they help the needy, volunteer their time to serve mankind in any capacity.


Likely there are many others...

Does your religion have a problem with the above listed groups?

MaxInDHouse:
Heaven exists that's where God created for Himself and His spirit sons! Psalms 115:16



You can never ever find a single person who is TRULY peaceful and loving on this planet except Christians.
WHY?
Because we have inherited bad traits from Adam that is why God asked us to learn from Jesus how to be truly peaceful and loving without Jesus no human can truly be peaceful and loving:


All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away. ‭Isaiah 64:6 NIV‬


Please mention one person who is truly peaceful and loving if you know any!

Clear and acknowledged!

The question unanswered is:

If unbelievers that are not Christians and are not Jehovah's Witnesses - are peaceful and loving and they live on your planet - will God Almighty, remove them from the surface of this earth?

MaxInDHouse:
Nobody ever tempt the Bible God unless He chooses to make such a person His messenger so if He wants to send someone to a place and the person demands for a sign He will provide but when a random person demands God will never ever obey such instruction.

The same applies to God's only begotten Son so nobody tempted Jesus to walk on water he did out of love to save his friends.

Meanwhile God doesn't exhibit His powers needlessly He only does that out of love for obedient humans so He gave us signs but when unbelievers demands He will never ever do such a thing:

“A wicked and adulterous generation keeps on seeking a sign, but no sign will be given it except the sign of Joʹnah the prophet" Matthew 12:39

Heaven doesn't exist - acknowledged.

The question unanswered is:

If unbelievers that are not Christians and are not Jehovah's Witnesses - are peaceful and loving and they live on your planet - will God Almighty, remove them from the surface of this earth?

MaxInDHouse:
Achieving peace in God's own way is by humbly becoming a peace maker so by the time anyone mistakingly hurt you you should be the first to sue for peace and by so doing you become perfect from God's standpoint {Matthew 5:43-48} so from the viewpoint of the true God peace isn't just about not looking for trouble but being the first to apologize even when you are wronged.
If everyone on planet earth does that this planet will become a paradise.


Humans have no business with heaven earth is where God created for us! Psalms 115:16

Very clear.

The honesty about God is acknowledged.

You asked who can stop Him?

I think it's a question of - "what's stopping Him?" rather than a question of "what can stop Him?".

To find out - let's not postpone the evil day - let's see the manifestations of your God.

Just as his creation Jesus Christ was asked - if he could walk on water.... I believe he did!

MaxInDHouse:
Did God ever claim He is all knowing?

The title Almighty means He has the highest ability and nothing can stop Him but if you know anyone who can stop Him please let me know that person.🙂