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Happy Resurrection! It's been a minute... Did you "trek" from Limbo to this place? Dtruthspeaker: |
So therfore, God is not All-Knowing and not Almighty? IS THAT CORRECT? MaxInDHouse: |
Very nice! I understand the perfection that your religion is trying to achieve - and it wants to achieve peace (The Achievement) through temporary violence (destroy/removal) - so that peace will reign afterwards, with the remainders of humans who will be called "believers" - Correct? Like for Example: "How Nairaland just removed @Dtruthspeaker comment after he resurrected on this platform" The next question I want to ask is: If one isn't a Christian - and if one isn't a Jehovah's Witness believer, but a peaceful individual on planet earth - will God still be mandated to remove such person from the earth still? & What's the purpose of Heaven? MaxInDHouse: |
To respond to this: If Devil never created humans, then God himself created the Humans without knowledge of their behaviors - therefore, He's a Learner! The Clarity Submission: If God is Almighty and All-Knowing - He that seeks peace, would not put - nor tolerate a Cat and a Dog in the same room - for He "knows" the beginning and the end of all things. If He's "Almighty" and desires peace, "He" would be "powerful" enough to erase evil be it desires, man or devil all on his own without seeking men to do it for Him - and without delaying the time to do it either. Why is he allowing these atrocities on his planet? Is the Devil stronger than Him (God)? MOST LIKELY. It's seems to me God is not in control of the Universe - or He's just a "Made-Belief" figure created to stop man from living his true nature. MaxInDHouse: |
If Islam caged you - would you be a Christian today? No! That's why God should leave people to their fate and allow them seek understanding of their world. Not destroy them for not believing in Him - That's the Dictatorship I'm talking about. MaxInDHouse: |
While only him can defend himself, I can only say he's obidient to what he's been taught. He can't speak for what he "doesn't" know - but he can speak for what he knows. In his eyes, his "life with his current God" is good as long as he's not committing crime in society - he's doing what is right before the law and before his God. If he were born a Muslim, as he's defending Christianity today, so would he defend Islam. MaxInDHouse: |
Your submission is based on "excuses" and "violence". The points you've made show God "lies" about his first creation and is making "excuses" why his creations are not "working well". You also paint a picture of a "Dictator" God. You fine-tuned it by saying only Jesus is his first creation even "amongst" existing humans. Are you therefore implying that the "soul" and "physical bodies" of Adam and Eve including all unbelievers are devil's creations? Or rather, the body and soul of Jesus Christ is God's creation? Please note: "Jesus the only begotten Son" as stated in the bible - is rebuked of worship by your denomination "Jehovah's Witness". MaxInDHouse: |
Well! His intention is not known. Maybe he wants to promote his own version of Christianity to me. And maybe that's why Americans created "freedom of speech". Though we both are having a good intellectual debate, it's also permitted if persons bring in their own style of submission. MaxInDHouse: |
I see the attestation of Christians over Jehovah's Witness. In a nutshell: you claim most denominations, religions and likely "nature", are results of the devil... If I may ask again: If there's another denomination similar to yours that considers your practice as "too extreme" or "NOT OF GOD BUT OF ANOTHER MAN'S CONSCIENCE" and they use the "same Bible" - would it be religiously correct to say there are "TWO ALMIGHTY GODS" rather than "ONE ALMIGHTY GOD"? MaxInDHouse: |
Pardon me! I'm very inquisitive. The summary Questions: Why did God create first generation unbelievers like Adam and Eve on his very own planet? & Why does God instruct killings of unbelievers despite the Commandnent that preaches against it? MaxInDHouse: |
In my educated opinion, hell is just a state of the mind. While there are different definitions of hell, there's no solid conviction to prove hell is real - as no one has been to hell and back to give anyone a detailed account of what the place looks like. If anyone went there and back, it's safe to assume they went into a dream world or a comatose. Ken4Christ: |
Please note: You don't have to be a Christian, Muslim or Buddhist to practise "goodness". If one doesn't believe in your religion but practises goodness - he/she owes nothing. If you claim God owns the planet and not the wicked inhabitants, then the question remains still: who created the inhabitants? How did the inhabitants get into planet earth? What's the relationship between God's planet and another spiritual being's creatures? Why did God allow a spiritual opponent's creature trespass on his planet? Why hasn't God "Almighty" removed the evil inhabitants he didn't create from his planet. You also say that God uses people in his image to destroy unbelievers - yet the same God who instructs - "Thou shall not kill" - is directing his people to do the opposite of his own law. And when unbelievers and believers question the "Christians in God's image" - why their God allows such, they would say "God mustn't be questioned". Is God two-faced? Now, another contradiction you made is highlighted by the Genesis story: "Let there be light and there was light........And God created Adam.......And God created Eve from the rib of Adam....... The above contradicts your denomination's preaching. If God didn't create "unbelievers", then why did he create unbelievers like Adam and Eve on his very own "planet"? Also why did God drop Lucifer from Heaven down to the pit of Hell, but allow same Lucifer entry into planet earth but not Heaven? MaxInDHouse: |
It's good to know your denomination. Your submission here clearly shows Christians are not speaking in one voice. If Christianity is CNN America, regardless the different types of TV sets (Teachers/Preachers), we should be able to get one "signal" (The Same Message). Yet, Christians are receiving different signals from the same God - and each denomination "expects" you to "believe" theirs is right. Then who can mediate the ongoing war in Christianity? Should we use scientists to do that? Or should people stay "neutral" by obey their body languages (Nature)... The Golden Question is: Why can't Jehovah's Witness, Latter Day's Saints, Deeper Life and other Churches drop their "egos" and form a united front? If you can't convert yourselves, how can you convert unbelievers? MaxInDHouse: |
Based on your last bible verse: "They are the ones who have acted corruptly. They are not his (God's) children, the defect is their own. They are a crooked and twisted generation. Deuteronomy 32:5 NIV" If I may argue: If corrupt persons are not God's children, is it that: the "act" itself is not of God's creation - or the "children" are not of God's physical creation? If the "act" is not of God and rather, is a creation of man himself, then man can defend that he (man) created himself - and no God created him. Therefore man have the moral ground to dissociate from God - and God have no moral ground to destroy them nor impose Himself on them for He doesn't own them. For you have mentioned, Christianity pleads... MaxInDHouse: |
Hmm! One can't think straight with "one" book and with "many" teachers - how many teachers are like "you" in Christianity to fulfill this purpose. If I read all your Bible verses (which I will), I'll most likely re-interpret them based on my understanding. Also, how can Bible scriptures be hidden from false Religionists when it's visible in the bible? If I may ask, what's the new group name your Christianity has created? Does this mean your new group has a long way to go? Because this sounds more like a revolution than an "existing religion". MaxInDHouse: |
The solution to the false religion argument lye only in your hands. Only you can explain. You defend humans can't be likened to computers... So, basically you imagine or predict that human thinking is bourne out of nothing - or you actually mean human thoughts are triggered by their environment - rendering both God and the Devil innocent. Is that correct? MaxInDHouse: |
Christianity is controversial in this context. Your interpretation is different from the basic interpretation which further creates various meanings. To fix this up: Example: If Microsoft Corporation created Microsoft Computers, then who created the operating software for them? ..... is it the Software itself?? Please Answer. MaxInDHouse: |
Interesting!!!! You're implying "Lucifer". So, since "Lucifer" (if correct), developed his own thoughts - then who opened his eyes/thoughts just as he opened Eve's eyes? MaxInDHouse: |
So who created the "desire" to dominate fellow intelligent beings? And who are these "intelligent beings"? MaxInDHouse: |
Okay, for the sake of brief comments. Who or what is the beginning of the Devil? MaxInDHouse: |
Hmm! God in the first place, is an unverified "spirit" which Atheist call a "concept". My entire narration of God was to explain the subject-matter - not that I'm convinced of His existence. To the point: One: No religion taught me about religious wars - the news I read informed me about this. You say Christianity is pleading/preaching - but in typical Lagos, I see "shouting". I guess, many Christians have their style of passing God's message. Science is the study of the physical environment - while it's true that nature preceeds scientific study - it doesn't change the fact that the "study" teaches. What you claim people discovered before the introduction of pure science is called "Traditional Science". Before the enlightenment period, these discoveries were all the people had, till science as a body became fully developed to advance these traditional practises. Modern Science which is the advancement of traditional science, is what we call physics, chemistry, biology which is being taught in schools today. So what people discovered was the "traditional science" - and what we're taught today is the advancement of that traditional science. The spirit "God" in the Bible was documented to have "Created a flood to kill unbelievers during the Noah's Ark period" - and also God was documented to have "Killed all male children in Egypt during the period of Pharaoh and Moses". So if God is guilty of these, does it make him an "Evil Doer" or "Good God"? If you meant the "Human body" have no business going to heaven - and their business is here on earth, then that's justified - but if you meant both "body" and "soul" have no business in heaven, but only on earth - then you practice a different type of Christianity that obviously doesn't speak the same language as the other denominations. Scientific knowledge is sold because it's a transactional world. The genenis story in the bible state that man will "never" work - but when man sinned, he had no other choice than to work. Therfore, all resources of the earth meant to help mankind for "free" is forbidden thereafter, for man will pay or work for anything on earth be it a food, clothing or shelter. However, there's a spiritual belief called "Humanism" that doesn't believe in a god, but believes in using resources of the earth to help mankind. You're obviously not a Humanist - if I'm correct. The work of Satan is the work of God. There's a deliberate collaboration between both spiritual beings - especially in the story of Job and Jesus Christ where both biblical character's nature were tested. So if the devil is the author of evil - who or what is the beginning of the devil? PLEASE ANSWER MaxInDHouse: |
Interesting! The fact that you think your religion "Christianity" is the best or default religion and someone from Islam thinks otherwise - is the "primary" reason why there will be problems in this world; it's also the reason why nature will always win. "Everybody wants to impose their ideals; nobody wants to be imposed on - yet they all think their religion is to help the world instead" Contrary to what you've said about science, please note that science is "still" a teacher - the same way the Bible teaches. Science has disadvantages (the nuclear weapon you mentioned) and it has advantages (Healthcare, technology). God of Christianity who's law states "Thou shall not kill", has killed many - yet the Christianity religion is here to help? For clarity, please note that God (as believed) created humans and universe - and he made the world a "ball of challenges". Your God doesn't intend to make your world better - he sees your world as an "Examination Center" and not as a destination - for destination is "Heaven". God expects you to believe the earth has been condemned by Adam and Eve - he wants you to pray for a ticket to heaven and not for a "life-line" on earth (House, money, cars). The houses, money and cars are the modern day "Apples" planted by God and the devil as "examination questions" to test your qualification for Heaven - to see if you would chase for materialism or salvation - to find out if you would worship him to seek "material things" or for a place in "His Kingdom". God in question - is responsible for the sins, lies, fornication and greed in this world - He made them all. He (God) is sustaining sin on earth for his purpose, you as humans are trying to reject it or modify it. The earth in God's view, is just a rotten hose pipe - Heaven is the Tank (Destination). Because you're of flesh, you care more about "world peace" than "Heaven". You pray for things attached to a rotten pipe, than pray for salvation. For example: You cry for the return of fuel subsidy and not for the Nigeria that will look like USA in infrastructure. It's quite similar when you cry to God for all the killings and stealing happening in the world and you don't pray for salvation because you're afraid of dieing or losing your hard earned assets. The article describes, following a realistic true nature and not a set of limiting doctrines that are harder to adhere to. The article doesn't admit: a love of sin/nature = "peace" in totality; but what it does admit is "true life". God didn't create people to "like" one another - he created people to be unique/different for his purpose of the "True Test". Yet God said "Love your neighbor as yourself " - even when God Almighty knows "it's not possible" - he probably had to tell that lie to test your unique personalities. God wants to use problems of the world to humble you - so that you may know the difference between heaven and earth - but God's people want to make the earth bearable for themselves - to the extent that they spend most time fixing the world than preparing for eternity. God indeed is merciful, and ensures His people don't suffer too much on earth - but he doesn't remove the suffering - he only reduces it. The suffering on earth is largely caused by our personalities, while the rest is caused by natural disasters. This is why I say: you must accept nature for what it is - "Fire" will never change for "Water" - they both have different properties - If Fire and Water come together, they will clash (spark). So how can your religion (Water) help the world become a better place when it clashes with other religions (Fire) - then what you seek doesn't exist - only nature. MaxInDHouse: |
Indeed! God said alot about nature and mankind but the effort of scientists brought clarity. Your submission on "one religion is right and ALL are false" is a subjective falsehood. Practically, a Buddhist would say exactly what you've said - who then do we believe? Christianity is divided, please note. Religious leaders that want power, independence and money create this division - so Christianity doesn't speak one language. Yes, nature supports our existence. As natural beings, we have the liberty to create and build what we want (Good or Bad). There's nothing we do "Good" or "Bad" that doesn't have Advantages or Disadvantages. Example: *If your nature tells you to eat alot - it will feel "Good" and also give you a "stomach ache". *If your God asks you to pray and fast - it will make you "feel hopeful" and likely give you an "ulcer". Humans since 1,000 years ago have been trying to understand this world by experimenting with different ideas such (religion, science) - and they attempt to use these ideas to make their world "perfect" - but to no avail. That's why religion is still struggling; that's why science hasn't found all answers yet - because the human nature is "bigger" than either of these ideas. Humans will remain unpredictable - nature will remain unpredictable (Tsunami, Hurricane). You are on earth to "survive" and manage, not to change or fix the unfixable. MaxInDHouse: |
At the extreme rate you promote Poverty, you should be declared an AMBASSADOR of Poverty and not an Ambassador of Reasoning. Dtruthspeaker: |
You probably missed my point - I concluded that God appreciates nature and uses it to draw the line between good and bad. It could be correct that God knows better than science - we can't prove that - only your imagination can. Religion indeed makes me doubt God because all religions don't speak one language. Science has universal knowledge that everyone accepts. It's taught in schools and it has solved more problems than religion have ever solved. How is God reconciling us with nature? People do that themselves. MaxInDHouse: |
It's possible in a frivolous conversation like this. Dtruthspeaker: |
Your auto-pilot is everywhere. But let me still address your light note: Suffering has no direct correlation with not reading well - rather "poor reading glasses" or "poor education" have a direct correlation with not reading well". Let wisdom guide your writing; not your pride or disappointment. Dtruthspeaker: |
America is better than Nigeria - (Sealed) Poor people have problems weighing America against Nigeria because of lack of proper education - (Sealed) Sensitive people who felt the last jab are reflecting their current pains on others but unfortunately, it bounced back to them due to an already activated auto-pilot - (since it's Sealed PERMANENTLY already - it's hereby GLUED) End of Discussion!!! Dtruthspeaker: |
Look at your world like a crate of eggs - if 15 eggs are spoilt, the other 15 eggs will spoil eventually. You are living in an illusion of a perfect world - and you're not accepting the "fact" that you live in "Sin City". In this life, whether you like it or not, you will compete for resources with "what you have" and "where you are". I'm bringing to your notice a world that doesn't care, and I'm reminding you why you must continue to fight in this world regardless of your limited beliefs or outstanding beliefs. If the expectation of the world is PERFECTION then why does everyone have a purpose? What's everyone here to solve in a "Perfect World"? Why do we have Police men, Pastors and Lawyers? No one is disputing "doing right" but acknowledge "Wrong" as well. This doesn't make you less reasonable, but a man with a spare tire (Plan B) if you want to survive. MaxInDHouse: |
A dog can preach - guess what, If a dog calls a girl you love so much with a "bark" , it's preaching to her what he wants to practise with her. Dtruthspeaker: |
You ask why? Simply because "NO ONE CAN BE RELIGIOUSLY RIGHT" You can be right scientifically on terminology but not on religion - religion is too controversial for definitions. That's why assumption is the safest way to understand God's word. Nelson21: |
That's exactly what I mentioned earlier in my comment - "it is when you are a prey in the wild, that you feel the attack is bad" - but when not attacked but others are attacked instead, it's considered normal. So the reason why you'd likely accepts the seductive woman to sleep with you is because, your body may consider it normal - but if it's your son or daughter being cheated on by their partners, you would not be happy with such actions - or would you? To bring it up to your pedestal, Churches typically trade in "Capital Lies" - the Church would preach prosperity on earth to get you to ATTEND SERVICE whereas, the designated message is salvation which they know would DRIVE YOU AWAY - but your conscience knows, you take transit to church or drive to church for "one" thing. Christians also "re-interpret" bible passages to suit their lifestyle - some will say especially when condemned by the Church for their dressing - "it's not by what you wear, but by your heart" - as if they are wiser than the Pastor or scripture. Even up to the HIGHEST mountains of Spirituality, "LIES" is a proven effective marketing strategy used by both the church and congregation - why? Because of the Power of Nature. MaxInDHouse: |