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sunnshyn: OP shut up already!

That's what Bishop Oyedepo said and so be it! I'm sure you didn't even contribute a dime to his ministry, but here you are crying more than the bereaved! Maybe we should wait for a genuine member or accountant of LFC to counter such claims with proofs until then please quit poisoning the mind of people with your false claims and let God eventually be the judge!

Enough said...

infact i tire for all dis jobless pple on nairaland about Oyedepo, why not go and establish ur own church if u think the man of God is not called really and lets see where u end ur own! useless set of pple! they do not even have any other thing to discuss again on nairaland, today bishop oyedepo tomorrow pastor EA Adeboye, why all dis critisicm sef against all these men of God?

cor.4:7 For who makes you differ from another? And what do you have that you did not receive? Now if you did indeed receive it, why do you boast as if you had not received it?
pidgin version says: for una make u differ to una mate? wetin u get wey u no collect? if na true true u collect am why una dey do as if say una no collect am. ;

But wait oo! see karen igho's armpit! hope she is not sweating ? damnn it! gosh!

how many years are u older than me?

tatosh: What's so special about this Man..Can somebody please tell me how he has made Nigeria a better place with all his influence and alleged spirituality?

dont tell me u dont know wat made dis man outstanding among all men.. IT IS HOLY SPIRIT!! and watch ur tongue cos dis is a beloved annointed man of God, if u dont want the CONSUMING FIRE HIMSELF to strike u dead u better keep ur mouth shut and stop saying rubbish there. IT IS AN ADVICE!

No one is refers to as maid in my family, to face the fact here we are all maid in one way or the other, and we eat together on a table no stigma to dat. The same circumstances dat seems to made u fortunate as d boss is d same dat made dat lil girl u call maid unfortunate, so treat her like urself u never can tell why she is wit u.

Red-Light:
lol i sometimes prefer islam paradise... with 77 virgins and pool of beer

nothing to do than just wake up... drink beer, smoke weed and fhuck available virgin

and u dont need to be super holy like the christians to go there... just strap bomb to ur waist, go to the nearest crowd or church, blow them and urself up
kapish u are in paradise enjoying ur pool of beer and hot virgins

LWKMD OH BOY u will not kill someone here wit dis oo and come to think of it dat is exactly the mentality of moslem terrorist.

i wear quality shirt anyway and to be precise hw many low class pple can afford to buy a high quality shirt? so i dont always av d fear of seeing my shirt on agbero. Those dat can afford to put on d same shirt i wear are pple of high reputation so no shakings!

eva_tee: Osama!!

Osama ko! Bin laden ni! see ur mouth

whatever!!!

why walking away? tired?? oh gosh! JESUS CHRIST HAS NEVER BEEN DEFEATED AND HE WILL NEVER. HE IS ALWAYS A WINNER. HALLELUYAH!!!

@ ghazzal, sorry ehn! the Name is just giving u unneccessary stress ehn? sorry i can see! JESUS CHRIST IS THE LORD!

@ghazzal olodo rabata! whatever! at the mention of that mighty name JESUS CHRIST every knee shall bow whelther or not u believe in the name.

VICALUFUO :
OBJ- the most finest man in 9ja. I dey ur back ooo!

o serious at all! wat are u driving at? are u trying to say my papa no fine? watch ur tongue...

KINGwax: eh, wetin come 'konsign' me if dem retrench everybody?

Wat if u keep ur stinking mouth shut? must u talk? those dat will be affected av families.. init? shioo!!

Go to slot now.

JESU LALAGBARA GBOGBO AYE LOMO

LMAO!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!! ;

Mighty Sparrow: At the NAME OF JESUS every knee must bow of things in heaven, on earth, and beneath the earth ...' Mohammad's knees inclusive. No matter what lies are revealed to him, he cannot deny the existence of Jesus. Halleluyah!!!!!!

Amen!!!! Halleluyah!! He lives forever.

@ tintingz or wat do u call urself? JESUS CHRIST is the GOD. I know u must av been confused by now, HE IS THE LORD ALMIGHTY and no controversy about dat. HE is the FATHER, HE is the SON and HE is the HOLY SPIRIT. confused? kole ye e, its a misery dat is only revealed to those that are in the spirit. HE IS A GOD of TRINITY.

tintingz: se o gbadun sha? ode oshi. . .you better learn from it, hypocrite! . . .Jesus is lord on what bases?? Thank God you said he's lord not God almighty

HE IS THE GOD and not even u of all pple can change the fact that HE IS GOD!

Yefet: Oh Lord my God, the creator of the Heavens and the earth! I pray the moment of Saul to Paul to occur this day in the hearts of our modern saul in Jesus name.

AMEN bro! So shall it be in jesus mighty name d only true son of God.

tintingz: Taken from HERE
Verse 9:29 of Surah at-tauba is probably the intentionally most misinterpreted verse of the Quran. This is what it says: -
“ Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth , (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” S. 9:29 Y. Ali
Dear brother mansour, I totally understand you when you say that this verse promotes violence on a cursory glance. But if you read it carefully you’ll find that it doesn’t. I hope you will be patient enough to be with me throughout the end of this article.
The verse says “Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth” .
My question to you brother. Does this verse stop here? No it doesnt. It continues and gives the actual reason as to the fighting. This is the continuation: – “until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued”.
1. PAYING JIZYA IS THE CONDITION FOR FIGHTING. THIS STATEMENT IS TOTALLY IGNORED OR OVERLOOKED WHEN LEVYING THIS ALLEGATION OF VIOLENCE ON MUSLIMS .
This verse doesn’t ask the Muslims to do mindless slaughter as the media portrays or deceives. It gives the Muslims the permission to fight only those non-Muslims who do not pay jizya – the state tax. And we all know that jizya isapplicable only in an Islamic state. Neither India, nor US or Britain are Islamic states. So to put this verse as an excuse for what happened there only shows how biased, unknowledgable and unfair the media is and it hurts us deeply.
I can show whole verses from other scriptures that are truly inhuman, yet no one questions them. Do you want a sample? Ill give it to you at the end. I promise.
2. THE VERSE DOES NOT ASK THE MUSLIMS TO DO FORCEFUL CONVERSIONS.
Again, the verse permits the muslims to fight the non –muslims in an islamic state ONLY and ONLY if they refuse to pay the jizya – Willingly . Re-read the verse from ANY translation if you are not sure. But once they pay the jizya tax they can continue to believe in their atheistic pagan beliefs, but it will be under an Islamic state. You can still forgive them by not forcing them into Islam, nor oppressing them or being bad to them because of their wrong beliefs.
3. QURAN NEVER SAYS TO KILL THE DISBELIEVERS JUST BECAUSE THEY DISBELIEVE.
This is not to you brother coz I consider you as a truly respectable friend. To others who read this article – I openly challenge you to show me ONE verse from the Quran which says to kill the disbelievers just because they are disbelievers. There are verses which permit the Muslims to fight and kill non-Muslims. But every time sensible and reasonable conditions are laid. I can show you all verses from other religious scriptures where slaughtering is done for reasons that are as silly and stupid as honor, glory and greatness. Sometimes for fun too. Wait till the end of the article to have a sample.
4. JIZYA ISN’T A RANSOM OR A BAD THING
Coming back to the verse, now people might say isn’t it unfair that they have to pay the jizya tax? Not really. Since when is punishment for refusal to pay lawful taxes considered as terrorism? Also, the jizya tax is very cheap and affordable, and it grants the non-Muslim’s many benefits, benefits which even the Muslims don’t get! For instance, the non-Muslims who are paying jizya in an Islamic state are not obliged to take part in any battle or war, unless they themselves choose to , the Muslimsdo not have this choice . Muslims have to actually burn their asses out to protect both Muslims and non-Muslims living in their lands . Also if the Islamic state cannot grant protection to the non-Muslims then the non-Muslims are not obliged to pay the jizya tax, since Muslims themselves must meet expectations for the jizya tax to be implemented. Also, Society today has no problem in paying taxes to the government, so therefore they should have no problem in paying a tax in an Islamic state either.
There you go my friend, verse 9:29 doesn’t encourage the muslims to do terrorism. It is a perfectly fair and just verse. Just throw this article on the face of anybody who tries to misrepresent islam to you in the future.
5. EVERY AUTHENTIC TRANSLATION OF THE QURAN HAS THE WORD “UNTIL” OR “TILL” INTHE VERSE 9:29
I could lay my hands on 7 different english translations of the quran and ALL OF THEM HAVE THE CONDITION :-
1. “[And] fight against those who – despite having been vouchsafed revelation [aforetime] –do not [truly] believe either in God or the last Day, and do not consider forbidden that which God and His Apostle have forbidden, and do not follow the religion of truth [which God has enjoined upon the], till they [agree to] pay the exemption tax with a willing hand , after having been humbled [in war]” 9:29 Asad’s Translation
2. “Fight those people of the Book (Jews and Christians) who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day, do not refrain from what has been prohibited by Allah and His Rasool and do not embrace the religion of truth (Al-Islam), until they pay Jizya (protection tax) with their own hands and feel themselves subdued.” 9:29 Malik’s Translation
3. “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His apostle nor acknowledge the religion of truth (even if they are) of the People of the Book until they pay the Jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.” 9 :29 Yusuf Ali’s Translation
4. “Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the religion of truth, until they pay the tribute readily , being brought low.” 9:29 Pickthall’s Translation
5. “Fight against those who believe not in Allâh, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission , and feel themselves subdued.” 9:29 Muhsin Khan’s Translation
6. “Fight those People of the Book who do not believe in Allah, nor in the Last Day, and do not take as unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have declared as unlawful, and do not profess the Faith of Truth; (fight them) until they pay jizyah with their own hands while they are subdued.” 9 :29 Mufti Taqi Usmani’s Translation
7. “Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.” 9:29 Sahih International Translation
6 . FIGHTING NEED NOT ALWAYS BE PHYSICAL, IT CAN ALSO BE INTELLECTUAL
Finally, people might now say well isn’t Islam violent because Muslims are commanded to fightthose who do not believe in God and so on etc etc. Not really, because fighting in this verse doesnot explicitly mean physical violence. Observe the words in the above verses like “ willingly” , “willing submission” , “readily” etc. Here it is spoken about bringing a change from within the hearts of people which is brought about intellectually . There are many ways in which you fight against somebody that does not involve a physical aspect. You can fight someone with the tongue, using your wisdom and telling him about the truth, you are fighting against the lies that person is propagating and eventually with your tongue you will speak the truth and crush his lies leading him to the truth. So fightingdoes not have to only be physical.

O gbadun rara wit dis useless article of urs,NONSENCE!!! Jesus Christ is d lord!

proo212: The question I have to ask is, if Mohammed is the perfect moral example and needs to be emulated according to Allah how come he wasnt certain of his own salvation?



The hadiths are both Sahih (so authentic) and for my brother Ghazzal, the hadith correspond to the Quran...Please I need your input.

A question dat requires an answer...

Paris-Love:
Lol, thanks sis. Let's keep the light shinin'.

One love! JESUS CHRIST is the LORD!

ghazzal: @paris love,
do you know why the bible cannot be trusted anymore, it has lots of contradictory information. though it is known that some of the information in it is that of Jesus, it is important for the reader to be careful of what is taken in. it now has more of lies than truth-this is well known. Was that not Satans scheme.

If that happens to the Bible, and in the Quran, God said he will protect it from such and Satan still exists to scheme and confuse man, it is just common sense that the Hadith will be the Devils target. (this is for those who think "could Muhammed be a prophet". Just like the bible, the hadith also contradicts, knowledgeable muslims are making much effort to categorise and put some orderliness in it but Satan is smarter than all of them(ofcourse he has lived longer than man can imagine). there is an hadith that makes known that any hadith that is contradictory to Quran teachings should not be taken hook-line-sinker.... its like a litmus test to all Hadiths.

If Muhammed were greedy, and a thief as you claimed(with some hadiths) some christians/Jews at that time will not convert to islam, his followers will not increase in number......its just logical.

You simply dont know the man you think you know. With the effort the christian world is making to defame him, it is left to everyone to think and identify truth from falsehood. IF YOU REMAIN DOGMATIC, its your life and every of mans descision has its price. no sin goes unpunished for(at least i heard some pastors say that)

The bible we christians use as our watchword is written and endorsed by God the father,God the son and of the Holy spirit. There is no confussion in it whatsover, it is a book of life and is full of wisdom. It is full of misery which can only be understood by only those in d holy spirit. It can never be understood by someone like u. It takes only christians dat are in spirit to know the diff betw old and new testament. It is dat book u called quaran dat is full of deceit and confussion, infact another name for d god u moslems woship is CONFUSSION. Yes ur god is author of confussion and dat is why d wiser ones among u dat av known d truth decided to run to God which we christian worship cos they av seen Him to be truth Himself, His name is TRUTH.

Paris-Love:
Hey what kind of advise is this? Instead of advising her/him that s/he is wrong and that Mo was one rich man, you're here taking cheap shot at those who are willing to discuss. This discussion is not for the faint hearted, now get out of this thread and don't let the door hit you on the åss on your way out.

I gbadun u jare 1million kudos for u. LMAO

Sweetnecta: @Mckybarf: This may your fate if you die in the faith you are in now: I do not know ye, Jesus will say to even the great miracle workers in his name.

Senseless comment! Hope u read thru ur comment bf posting it?

As far as i am concerned christians and moslems dont have the same God. The islamic God has muhammed as messanger, the christian GOD has Jesus as his only begotten SON who died and that the world might be saved through Him. The islamic God is one who has his headquarters in mecca, and the christian GOD is one with three personalities( FATHER, SON, AND SPIRIT) and operating in three dimensions: dwells in Heaven of the heavens.


Halleluyah!!! Our God is God of compassion and mercy. Though we do Sin everytime yet he forgives and forget not god that still operates in moses law.Halleluyah we are more than conqueror thru Jesus christ thy savior who has come and has wiped off d law of moses wit His blood, we are not to be stoned to death like muslim does. Halleluyah.

I think they now understand dat we are not serving d same God as they claimed. Obviously not d same GOd. Our God is a God of peace, peace is His name while their god is a violent god dat produce terrorist. Halleluyah we are more than a conqueror thru Him dat saved us.

ghazzal: I am for Jesus but he is not my God. Where is the God Jesus prayed to? That is my God. you are free to keep your belief but note that every choice has its price.... I pray that MOst High GOD guide us aright and forgive us our errors

Ur prayers to God can never be answered if u do not accept Jesus Christ d only true son of God into ur life. Stop deceiving urself by thinking u can gain access to God's inner room without jesus. JESUS CHRIST IS THE LORD.



Jesus christ is the only way u can pass to God d father,no one come to the father except thru Him. He is d way, the truth and the salvation. Stop wasting away man! He Died for u dat u may live.He became poor that u may be rich. HE IS THE LORD! No controversy about dat.